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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 4:08:09 GMT -5
D"OK what - you demnad all scripture be filter only by Ellen White does not matter what history or science says - Ellen White is correct Rob" I agree, she is an academic and her religious views were not discussed. There is absolutely nothing academic about a religious leader – DUH
Rob" Who says cherubs are imaginary? D" No one - DUH ROB you did? "Church records talking about other beings and UFOs not imaginary angels – but real creatures on the ground 3 feet tall and shining" You said I quote "not imaginary angels – but real creatures on the ground" so this means you consider angels are not real creatures? D" You need to take better notes OH – I get it – you did not view the video – you are just responding to my sentence Typical Robert lack of participation
My reference for you to check out 11:50 not imaginary angels – but real creatures on the ground 3 feet tall and shining
10:48 – introduce the story of Teresa of Avalon 10:53 – now considered a Doctor of the Church – a beloved Saint 10:58 – she had an experience (1500s – during the Spanish Inquisition – never talked about her experience – but wrote it in her diary) 11:28 - she had an experience while in prayer 11:30 - off to her side she saw 11:36 – something she could not understand 11:39 – a being 3 feet tall 11:43 – it was very shinny 11:49 – SHE WAS CONFUSED BY IT 11:53 – before when she prayed – she saw angels in her head – images – imaginings in her mind 11:56 – she made the distinction – not in her head – not imaginary – but very real standing in her room 11:58 – an actual fleshy thing 12:04 – she was confuse – didn’t know what type of angel 12:08 – she called it some type of cherub – because cherubs are small and child like 12:10 – what is a cherub – it is one of several types of angels But Teresa of Avalon wasn’t even sure it was that
Less than 2 minutes of the video Way too much to ask of you to take seriously
Repeat Rob" Who says cherubs are imaginary? D" No one – DUH
D"the bad serves the good - the greater good R" I see. No, a sinning angel does not serve a greater good.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Gen 3:15 … serpent’s seed shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. D"the bad serves the good - the greater good R" I see. No, a sinning angel does not serve a greater good.
If there is no purpose for good in this Contest Then why does your God of tov only - torture man and the serpent Do you just have an evil god – where is the tov in your tov only god ----------------------------------
Nor would GOD intentionally design creatures with yester ra in them. Are you saying satan created man?
SO a creature with yester ra would not serve a greater good either. I agree when it comes to Ellen White But your claim than no men can ever serve the great good is just satanic nonsesne
RObPP" but NEVER do you see SHAD as OPPOSERS who OPPOSE human salvation? I cannot write about your theories at all? You said the SHAD oppose Man. I get that. You often say the archons oppose only man, side track man so they will not think of the salvation process God have for men. I hope this is true about your view? How did I misrepresent you? DUH – you prove your own double speak
How am I supposed to know all about your views unless you tell me? After four years – it is obvious – You know full well my views – you just want to corrupt – deny – argue It is a zero sum game you play – it is only enjoyable for you
I promised to be patient with you – and asked you to grow up and have an intelligent discussion Instead – you just keep testing my patience
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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 3:09:14 GMT -5
D" Sorry Robert – man can sin and turn away right up till the moment of death The mainstream expression = I was saved – I am being saved – and I will be saved
ROB" So you mock the Verse written by John? I mock you and Ellen White's claim of perfection
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. How can one be tempted by his own desire? Clearly some good angel asked Job to be tempted more, Correct – you deny scripture – you need you blame your sin on another Do not ever deny this again It is the only reason you want satan to be the the god of evil It wasn’t Eve’s fault – it was satan’s fault It is not your fault – it is satan’s fault You are looking for a scapegoat - you are making excuses
D"God does uses the BEAST / ARCHON / and the seed of the BEAST R" This is a violation of James. God does not tempt humans to sin. Now you deny Gen 3:14-24
D" Nope I have a Jewish God that created the tov and the ra and placed man in the middle of it and established the CONTEST of Gen 3:14-24
R" Why did GOD create tov and ra? You already know the Jewish answer You already know my answer Within creation = function and balance + programmed end Within humanity = To seek the Jobs / Prodigal Sons / First Fruits
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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 2:51:04 GMT -5
YHWH accompanied by seraphim, but they refer to God as YHWH of Hosts ROB: The Author is referring to seraph creatures OKMoreover, these cherubim are static, in contrast to the “hosts” of YHWH in the stories of Micaiah and Job and the seraphim of Isaiah 6, who sit in the divine council, act independently, and are consulted or sent on errands by YHWH. ROB" so the burning ones are really special cherubs. - NOROB: Rabbi Besser agrees Saraph in Numbers 21:8 refer to "burning angels". He is wrong – it is referring to Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents---------------------------------- In the Torah, the “seraph snake” is both an agent of destruction and an instrument of healing. ROB" Our Rabbi fails to see TWO seraph were upon the standard, one symbolized bad the other symbolized good, not dual function of the emblem. Dual function – bad vs good – how the archon / the world make life hardTo save a life (good) sometimes you have to cut off a limb (bad) Today the choice = you cholesterol is too high you will die of heart disease – or take a statin drug and die of liver failure instead Today the choice = die of a virus – or die from the vaccine Book of Jubilees 10:9 And He said: "Let the tenth part of them remain before him, and let nine parts descend into the place of condemnation." 10. And one of us 4 He commanded that we should teach Noah all their medicines; 1 Enoch 6-8 the fallen angels of Gen 6 also taught their women medicines, spells, and potions (wiki) The caduceus (☤; /kəˈdjuːʃəs, -siəs/; Latin: cādūceus, from Greek: κηρύκειον kērū́keion "herald's wand, or staff") is the staff carried by Hermes in Greek mythology and consequently by Hermes Trismegistus in Greco-Egyptian mythology. The same staff was borne by other heralds like Iris, the messenger of Hera. The short staff is entwined by two serpents, sometimes surmounted by wings. In Roman iconography, it was depicted being carried in the left hand of Mercury, the messenger of the gods.
Some accounts assert that the oldest imagery of the caduceus is rooted in Mesopotamia with the Sumerian god Ningishzida; his symbol, a staff with two snakes intertwined around it, dates back to 4000 BC to 3000 BC.[3]
Wow, so many Jewish commentaries agree with me That Ezk 28 proves your satan is a self-made god of evil – rebelling, hating, and opposing God’s right to rule the universe I must have missed that part
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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 1:58:40 GMT -5
Dave"100% Correct – Jesus – the Son of Man was not born until 6BC Mathew – or 6AD Luke Biology did not pre-exist the creation of biology – DUH Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God Jesus Christ = (Jesus)+(Christ) ROB" why do you write it this way? This is the TrinityDo you have two souls for Jesus Christ, does Jesus have a biological soul and Christ a divine soul? The Arian Controversy We discussed this at length – and you learn what? – NOTHINGMan is (flesh)+(spirit/soul) Arian asked was Jesus = (flesh)+(soul) at birth But when John Baptized Him Jesus = (flesh)+( soul – replaced by God) – as in a possession Or was Jesus (flesh)+(Christ) from birth The answer from the Nicaean council = The Trinity Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God The Spirit of God = the Holy spirit = Christ – all of the same substance Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God Jesus Christ = (Jesus)+(Christ) I don't get you. To me YHWH has existed from eternity,Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God Jesus was born 6BC or 6AD depending just how infallible your scripture is word for word (1) Does YHWH have a soul (Hebrew word for living energy)?I was going to say – God is Spirit Then erased it - to simple of an answer Gnostic Honesty – God the Father is beyond our creation – larger than our creation But within creation – the Holy Spirit = the Spirit of God – God invisible But within creation the Holy Spirit forms the either / matrix / medium upon which all is build God = living Energy And Energy can spark – move – jump from one place to another (thus Jewish sparks) God radiated His glory – God expanded from a singularity to an omnipresent Spirit Energy can also take form. We know when YHWH added humanity to himself, than YHWH has a soul, and that this soul died.Absolute – anti-Jewish and Christian teaching – Life livesNo one killed Christ – or God – or the Holy spirit 1Pe 3:18 … He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Ruach. 1Pe 3:19 Through the Ruach He also went and preached to the spirits in prison. 1Pe 3:20 Long ago they disobeyed while God kept waiting patiently, in the days of Noah 1Pe 3:18 … being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, 1- biological Jesus died upon the Cross – dead 2- Christ the soul/spirit within – was released – life lives 3- now as Spirit free from the body – Christ preached to the Ghost from the time of Noah 4- resurrection = reincarnation – the living energy (spirit) returning to a body of biology You split YHWH into Jesus the biology and Christ the eternal, not sure it is necessary to do even this. or why? I do not see it necessary to split the natures of Jesus-YHWH.Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: - DUH------------------------------------------- D" Correction Mr Honest – my God can exhibit GRACE – unrequited love – My God is capable of loving His creation all by Himself Rob" How uncanny you say that? John, another Messanic Jew said the exact same thing. :JOhn" I agree the Father is Tsuwr and that Yeshua is cela. They are both my rocks. In De 32:15, the Rock is the Father. In 1 Cor.10:4, the Rock is Yeshua. However, Yeshua was not a literally existing Rock in the OT. He was only a Rock through types and shadows." Jesus did not exist in the OT – I agree However – Christ appeared in the OT as a man Gen 18:22 … Abraham stood yet before the LORD. Gen 18:22 … Abraham is yet standing before Jehovah.
No man can see the face of God and live Exo 33
Angels appear as men – might even be among us AND - man can see the image of God
Jesus did not exist in the OT – I agree However – Christ appeared in the OT as a manWe should not be trying to spiritualize everything in Scripture, especially when it comes to trying to make Yeshua pre-exist by reading him into the OT as a literal being instead of seeing him there through types and shadows". I agree forcing biological Jesus into the OT is errorP: "I agree that love was functioning before creation. Not between Yahweh, Yeshua and the Holy Spirit, but all within Father Yahweh Himself." ROB" I ask both of you gentlemen, how is this even possible? Unless you invoke self love? What is self love – no body knows except you 10 Key Bible Verses on God's LoveCrossway - www.crossway.org › articles › 10-key-bible-ver... Aug 26, 2023 — 10 Key Bible Verses on God's Love · 1. 1 John 4:7–12 · 2. Romans 8:35–39 · 3. Psalm 36:5–7 · 4. John 3:16 · 5. Romans 5:7–8 · 6. Isaiah 54:10. God is Love! Bible Verses & Scripture Quotes with Meaning Bible Study Tools - www.biblestudytools.com › topical-verses › go... 37 Jesus replied: “ 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 0:53:39 GMT -5
D" Point #1 – she is an academic – not a preacher Rob" I agree D"100% attitude – my attitude – Rob" OK OK what - you demnad all scripture be filter only by Ellen White does not matter what history or science says - Wllen Whire is correctD" Church records talking about other beings and UFOs not imaginary angels – but real creatures on the ground 3 feet tall and shining Rob" Who says cherubs are imaginary? No one - DUHAre you saying the Roman Catholic church says cherubs are imaginary? You need to take better notesRob" So you see SHAD as designed by GOD for some good and bad purpose, the bad serves the good - the greater good but NEVER do you see SHAD as OPPOSERS who OPPOSE human salvation? IF you missrepresent my views on my own forum again - I will ban you It is persoanlly offensive - and you know it - that is wht you say it
STOP LYING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY
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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 0:36:56 GMT -5
Predicative Adjectives, as Jr High grammar, OK I get that, works well if we live in a secular world with secular dictionaries and the dictionaries dictate how to read secular writings.
Rob" Created, made up? I don't think so. The Bible says to look up all the verses. And than do what with them? a) So saraph means "burning" or "firey". Yes – the Jeff Brenner Method bears this out
b) It can be applied as a function, to snakes or special cherub angels. Yes – it ca be applied differently – does not change its meaning H8314 – שָׂרָף - śârâph From H8313; burning, that is, (figuratively) poisonous (serpent); specifically a saraph or symbolical creature (from their copper color): - fiery (serpent), seraph. saraph means "burning" or "firey" –will also accept: shinny – glowing – radiant - luminus
Both of these statements are facts, and you have to agree with me? Sure
Now the term snake is also a simile approach, not literal approach because when looking up all the verses We discover - Ge 3:1 no ordinary snake, a serpent Rev 12:9 … the great dragon … the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas, Gen 3:1 But the serpent was shrewder than any animal of the field that Adonai Elohim made. A created creature that God made! Yep – this is 100% my teaching
Isa 14:29 Here we discover while the serpent is something, the saraph is a flying saraph. Does this mean the serpent was a flying creature? Seems so?
If A=B and B=C then you can make C= anything It is a false anology
How come ancient people like engrave Murduk as a flying serpent, and other people see this already, but Dave doesn't? What? I say they are other gods – demons – shedim Sometimes saraph is a serpent Isa 6:1 I saw Adonai sitting on a throne… 2 Seraphim were standing above Him. Your method proves that serpents are angels of the throne of God
4th point is my own, after all if the winged cherub came to Eve in the Garden not disguised Eve would have ran away, so the serpent
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Post by Dave on Jan 5, 2024 23:57:05 GMT -5
D"In America – we get together to praise the Lord – support one another – and learn scripture Why do you hate this? R" I don't. But in Russia why can't a Russian worship God the Russian way, Haven’t you ever heard of Russian Greek Orthodox - DUH‘ and in PNG the PNG people worship God the PNG way, and in ocker land Australia we Auzzies worship God the Auzzie way? What does this even mean – anything?R" What? I have Rabbi Cahn the Jewish rabbi saying the same view as me, but you call his videos BS. Nope called out your bull shit – you hear what you want – just because Enoch calls them fallen angels – does not prove your Ezk 28 self-made god of evilJust what makes us different, is your views of Christianity. I never heard of a Roman Edit before. Correct – one of us is a student of scripture – all of it – how it got here – who wrote itBookburning and Censorship in Ancient Rome JSTOR - www.jstor.org › stable by FH Cramer · 1945 · Cited by 148 — The transition from the Roman republic to the new monarchy had been brusquely emphasized by Julius Caesar. Extensive biblical revisions made by the Romans Showing ... Goodreads - www.goodreads.com › topic › show › 2245648... Mar 8, 2015 — The process of writing the Old Testament could more accurately be described as editing. Older material, both oral and written and from different ... Against Heresies (Irenaeus) – Wikipedia Against Heresies - "On the Detection and Overthrow of the So-Called Gnosis"), sometimes referred to by its Latin title Adversus Haereses, is a work of Christian theology written in Greek about the year 180 The Index Librorum Prohibitorum (English: Index of Forbidden Books) was a changing list of publications deemed heretical or contrary to morality by the Sacred Congregation of the Index (a former Dicastery of the Roman Curia); Catholics were forbidden to print or read them, subject to the local bishop.[1] Catholic states could enact laws to adapt or adopt the list and enforce it. Your precious KJV textus receptus was compiled / translated into Greek by Erasmus<10 years later – all writings of Erasmus were banned as heresy Giordono Bruno – was excommunicated from Catholic priest school – because he had a copy of Erasmus in his latrine – in 1600 he was burnt at the stake – because he published that stars in heaven might actually be other suns – maybe even suns with planets I never heard of a Roman Edit before. Correct – one of us is a student of scripture – all of it – how it got here – who wrote it One of us thinks the KJV is the only inspired Bible If a Christian was a Christian in Roman days ( pre 100 AD) , they were fed to lions. Nothing about some Roman Edit, OH – putting Pentecostal Messianic Jews / Gnostic Christians to death – is not an edit / censorship of information? You should read actually which Christians were put to death – not all of themWhat is Caesars Mensah – is that an attempt to edit the information?--------------------------------------------- Rob" Most of my stuff does not come from Ellen White. Two separate gods locked in a cosmic struggle over God’s right to rule the universe – ENOUGH!-------------------------------------------- R" John says Jesus never pre-existed. He also promotes a cardinally one strong authority like you do, being a Jew and all. 100% Correct – Jesus – the Son of Man was not born until 6BC Mathew – or 6AD Luke Biology did not pre-exist the creation of biology – DUH
Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God Jesus Christ = (Jesus)+(Christ)------------------------------------------------------------ D"Moving away = entropy – the farther from the source the greater the entropy – DUH ROB" correct Moving from incorruptible heaven to corruptible physical reality – is a move even farther away D" Entropy – a by-product of – inherent to – physical creation
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 19:00:40 GMT -5
We are meant to be all different to stop the spread of evil, but this America materialism idea is world wide, and now all products are made in China, not got nothing bad with CHinese, but the global reset is about making the entire world united again, back to the tower of Babel again.
What does this have to do with American style Worship In America – we get together to praise the Lord – support one another – and learn scripture Why do you hate this?
Anyhow you enjoy your religious views, it is clear I cannot sway you, and as Richard says, why do you put up with me, as you both mock me all day long?
1Th 5:14 We urge you, brothers and sisters, correct the unruly, comfort the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone. It has been hard – but I have tried my best to be patient with you You come to my form and preach an anti-Christian anti-Jewish traditions You are the one mocking scripture – I cannot let your false teaching stand
As I have said – I have never met another Christian that argues against every aspect of Christianity in favor of a human prophet - cult Either you are extremely stupid - not well educated - indoctrinated into a cult - mentally challanged OR - you oppose just for fun - just to be an ass - to make your satan god proud disrupt - deny - tear down - is this what it's like to Follow Ellen White I much prefer my God to yours
Did you listen to Einstein video? No Smartest believer of GOD on earth, and you don't listen to him? Einstein says RA does not exist, it is a term invented by man explaining when men walk away from God, so that God's love is loving less and less in the hearts of men. OK – I have said this many times – you say I am wrong evil is from your satan god of evil an angel of Ezk 28
Moving away = entropy – the farther from the source the greater the entropy – DUH Moving away from spiritual heaven to physical creation come with Entropy – a by-product of – inherent to – physical creation you say I am wrong evil is from your satan god of evil an angel of Ezk 28
Therefore as Einstein says, GOD does not have RA in His Creation ever. Cool – there is no death – no satan – no consequence
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 18:40:19 GMT -5
Question why would GOD test JOB if God declared JOB was tam ? It was the Opposer that said JOB was not tam. Not what the verse says – it says if you test Him - Job will eventually sinJob 1:8 Adonai said to the satan, “Did you notice my servant Job? There is no one like him on the earth—a blameless and upright man, who fears God and spurns evil.” Job 1:9 Then the satan responded to Adonai, saying, “Does Job fear God for nothing? Job 1:10 Have you not made a hedge around him, his household, and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands and his possessions have increased in the land. Job 1:11 But now, stretch out Your hand and strike everything he has, and he will certainly curse You to Your face!” You are mocking the meaning of tam. YIKES! Ellen G. White Called Jesus a LIAR?!If you follow Ellen White you are redeemed and cannot sin Sorry Robert – man can sin and turn away right up till the moment of death The mainstream expression = I was saved – I am being saved – and I will be saved You also mock the meaning of "destroy" 01104. elb bala`, beh'-lah ROB" I see, so according to you the angel asked GOD to destroy Job and GOD destroyed JOB is that it? H1104 – בָּלַע - bâla‛ - baw-lah' A primitive root; to make away with (specifically by swallowing); generally to destroy: - cover, destroy, devour, eat up, be at end, spend up, swallow down (up). If Job sins – what is the punishment – destruction / death – Lake of Fire – muth muthJob 2:3 although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. So God destroyed Job, but did so without a cause? It that your view? Nope – God tested Job as God test all menYou say GOD murders, and tempts humans to sin, (has a department for that). I say God is not tov only from your definition – because God does kill and orders genocide I say God is tov by my definition because it is the end result that matters – God’s Plan – God’s Will I don’t say it – James does Jas 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”—for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He himself tempts no one. Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. God does uses the BEAST / ARCHON / and the seed of the BEASTGen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.” All God’s Plan – all God’s Will – God did itYou have a dictator, not a relational power of love.Nope I have a Jewish God that created the tov and the ra and placed man in the middle of it and established the CONTEST of Gen 3:14-24
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 18:06:28 GMT -5
OK explain the Father and SON idea in Scripture. Da 7:9 - So infinity sits down on a throne. Yep – 24/7
Da 7:13 SO who is the SON of MAN, Son of Man = Jesus – son of Mary - biology
Ex 23:20 - Who is sent by infinity as a messenger who can forgive sins? God is – God is the only saviour Isa 43:11 “I, I am Adonai—and there is no savior beside Me.
Christ is the image of God Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
My Name is in Him. Is this just another expression of the Father? (Jesus – Son of Man)+(God incarnate / Christ / another expression of God) just another expression of the Father – the inner man of Jesus – the Spirit within Jesus
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Paul speaks of a ROCK that followed Israel as Christ. OK – nice metaphor – immovable – firm – unchanging De 32:4 He is the Rock <tsuwr>, The flint rock of the Father Yep - God and Son of God Your problem is you deny that God can be in two places at the same time
Everyone agrees – Jesus the Son of Man cannot be in two places at the same time – he is biology You deny the spirit – but God is Spirit – He is everywhere at once – He is in a Temple – He is in heaven – He is in my heart Absolutely zero issue with God being in heaven and in a Temple at the same time
Well infinity is infinity, yes, but Dave does not consider that infinity chooses to express itself in a relational way. Correction Mr Honest – my God can exhibit GRACE – unrequited love – My God is capable of loving His creation all by Himself without needing any help from another god
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 17:44:09 GMT -5
She says very little about your views, if at all. She is a science person collecting data, not formulating a religious process based on the data she receives.
AS presented Point #1 – she is an academic – not a preacher She is an academic – looking at the topic without the baggage of religious belief 100% attitude – my attitude – once you remove the Roman mythology – true Christianity is actually Pentecostal Messianic Jewish
She noticed people having EXPERIENCES- and wanted to know more 100% Gnostic – experiential – spirit to spirit communion – in various degrees
She studied many religions + the lexicon of current culture Yep – well rounded – test it all – keep the good 100% Paul – 100% Gnostic attitude
Point # 2 Catholic church history ancient church records – look just like modern day UFO encounters Church records talking about other beings and UFOs not imaginary angels – but real creatures on the ground 3 feet tall and shining Yep – The Reality of the Archon – all through history
Unable to describe what they saw – not quite sure of it shape - could be a demon or an angel Yep – The Reality of the Archon – all through history – known by many names and discriptions
13:00 an angel or demon with a tool that examines her 13:25 – took the tool and thrusted it into her entrails (She was probed) 100% a modern day description – nothing has changed except the vocabulary
14:00 miles of this information at the Vatican secret archives Why hasn’t the church made more of this? Answer – it all points to aliens and OT devils and demons – not Catholic satan
16:00 her works leads her to people in high research looking into UAPs as inter-dimensional visitors Secret people that must remain anonymous Of course she did – any real investigator is not limited – look everywhere ate everything Test it all and keep the good – 100% Paul – 100% Gnostic attitude
Point #3 – the Roman Edit the instutionalzation of information – Roman Edit Information –vs- miss-information The early Christian church were radically different then the “Roman Catholic church”
what happen in the Roman Church ‘institionalazation of belief’ How do they do this – they vilify other Christian groups and call them heretical Gnostics Burn away heretical gnostic teaching – destroy the evidence
You deny this happened – you fully support Roman Catholicism’s authority to tell you what to read and what not to read Yet – you deny you support Catholicism – but bow to their authority
Point #4 – what is Gnosticism what is Gnosticism – it is the form of Christianity before Rome instutionalized the belief It is not a pagan religion – it is 100% first century Christianity Of course you can drag up older documents and argue differently
I want to discuss A You keep bringing up B – in an attempt to corrupt the message
It is experiential - intimate knowledge YES – THIS IS A HUGH GAULF BETWEEN US I say – 100% absolutely and willing to witness as such You say – it is not possible – no such thing as spirit – it is satanic Yet – you follow Ellen White because she had 2000 experiences
Almost eradicated by Rome Why Robert – any comment – other than you fully support Rome’s authority to kill other Christians
Point #6 - 1:14:00 – the hierarchy of spiritual beings God at the top Angels below God Then ‘ off planet beings’ (principalities – archon) Then factions in the intelligence community (Shadow governments) Then man at the bottom You deny this structure – you deny there is any such things as ‘off planet beings’ You deny a multi-dimensional heaven structure The concept of an inter-dimensional visitor is beyond your ability to admit
1:44 Jacques Valle - I said this was FYI – not required Passport to Patagonia – Yes – amazing book
Point #7 - 1:50:25 the history of satan satan in the bible – not a consistent image – sometimes God’s friend – sometimes not Throughout the OT satan seems to be God’s friend But in the NT satan is the devil
gnostic answer – satan of Hebrew origin = an angel of the Lord working for the Lord satans of Chaldean origin = the Beast of Revelation we call serpent – devils and satanas
Yep – all of this is my view –all of it is a Gnostic attitude
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 17:07:04 GMT -5
If the noun is preceded by the article ה (as a prefix) then, the adjective will as well, such as in הָהָר הַטוֹב (the good mountain, Deuteronomy 3:25). OR – Num 21:6 אֵ֚ת הַ נְּחָשִׁ֣ים הַ שְּׂרָפִ֔יםRob" well that's a good rule? Let's test this Hebrew rule in Number 21:6 OK as Jeff Benner explains both words have the same prefix, so its an adjective here. DUHI also note using Hebrew Bible Hub that NUmbers 21:8 is a noun, the saraph is on it's own. GOD told Moses to make a "firey" and put it on a pole. My question to the entire world is what is the meaning of this ? And nobody investigates this except me. You cannot translate Hebrew into English if you do not understand Hebrew grammar or English grammarThe Americans captured a Jap soldier Two sentences later – that Jap was killed – The girl is a foxy lady Two sentences later – that fox winked at me - Fat ass Billy sat in my chair Two sentences later – that fat ass got up from my chair - Only you cannot understand who they are talking about You say your Robert Method does not care about grammar, syntax, or context YOU COULD NOT BE MORE ARROGANTLY WRONG - and you teach your false teaching to others You just choose to stumble over words - on purpose - and miss the entire message You just choose to stumble over words - dliberately - to corrupt scripture You just choose to stumble over words - arrogantly - trying to rewrite scripture so it supports your Ellen White traditionsThere is nothing serious or honest about your teachingIn Greek it is called - Noun (predicate adjective) - unfoldingWord Greek Grammar Summary. In Koiné Greek, a predicate adjective is an adjective that functions as a noun in a sentence and appears in the predicate position. In English it is called - a predicate adjectiveThesaurus.com - www.thesaurus.com › grammar › predicate-no... Feb 10, 2017 — A predicate nominative renames the subject of a sentence whereas a predicate adjective describes the subject of a sentence. I am not an Hebrew translator – butHebrew for Christianswww.hebrew4christians.com › Unit_Five › sum... In Hebrew, predicate adjectives can appear before or after the noun and agree in gender and number -- but not definiteness. Predicate adjectives use the word " ... Rules of The Hebrew AdjectiveLuther Seminary - myluthernet.luthersem.edu › Slides_3 The predicative adjective usually precedes but sometimes follows the noun. The predicate adjective agrees with the noun in number and gender, but it is never ... Predicative Adjectives Exercises For Hebrew Grammartalkpal.ai › grammar_exercises Predicative adjectives in the Hebrew language are adjectives that describe an attribute of a I tried to google what grade in school do you learn this(google) What is a predicate adjective 6th grade? (google) IXL – a web-site I used many times homeschooling my girls Identify linking verbs, predicate adjectives, and predicate nouns | 8th grade language arts. Repeat - You cannot translate Hebrew into English if you do not understand Hebrew grammar or English grammarYour Robert Method just leads you to error Stop trying to invent word game short cuts – learn to translate – or at least learn Engilsh ----------------------------------------------- ROB" What do we do with two nouns side by side? Dunno Dave" At last - you said something correctly Rob" Yes I even emailed Jeff about this, got no help Because it is a stupid question that anyone entering high school should already know the answer
Your question speaks to your own ignorance You think a PhD with so many Hebrew projects going on has the time teach you at the elementary level? Learn to translate - spend years at it - then maybe you can ask a question that he would respond toWhat I posted last post is still valid, but you didn't read the post did you,, found one error and so abandoned the little child trying to learn. At least I am trying to investigate why the word "saraph" as a noun only is used by GOD. You do not investigate this, neither does anybody else.It is all a false analogy that you created to bend scripture to fit your traditionsYou already have your mind up what the verse means – then you set out to make it say what you want It is not honest – as a linguist – or a student It is all a false analogy that you created to bend scripture to fit your traditionsUsing Covenant Theology you can make scripture mean anything you choose Notice the Greek uses a noun too Mt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Why does Jesus call his own leaders serpents? Rev 12:9 … the great dragon = the ancient serpent - DUH
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 9:23:33 GMT -5
In fact one thing I dislike about SDA culture is it is too American, America Sabbath style, America songs, American worship style, etc etc Even in Russia, the SDA Russian does American worship style...
What is American style? Where did Christian hymns originate? Hymns are religious songs which praise God or gods. Hymns can be traced to many ancient cultures, including ancient Egypt, India, and Greece. Christian hymns in Medieval times included Latin psalm texts from the Old Testament set to simple melodies called a Gregorian chant and sung by monastic choirs.
What is American style? What is American style about Greek Orthodox?
When I was in PNG, the worship there was American and I hated it. In America – we get together to praise the Lord – support one another – and learn scripture Why do you hate this?
Had to preach wearing suit and trousers, so after a while I rebelled and preached in shorts and short shirt. OF COURSE YOU DID – anything to spoil your message You disrespect your audience – you do not want to connect with them – as one of them You do not want to help save anyone – you want to make it hard Your mission is not to witness to others – but to rebel and disrupt – just as you do here
I have been in Bible Studies off and on for 55 years Never have I met anyone claiming to be a Christian – that rebels against Christianity’s teaching It is not one point – it is every aspect of Christianity you must change and corrupt Either you are mentally challenged – or you deliberately choose to be an ass to please your satan god
I also did not like Passover with grapes, when in PNG they should use coconut water. Yep – argue about rituals
R" AS a Hebrew we have to guard all 613 commandments of GOD, but I found there are many more than these, over 7000 in fact, if you thrown in the NT as well. So I keep Sabbath as Jews do, but without the traditional additional 300 rules. We do not travel, or swim, or cook our food on Sabbath, etc. Yep – argue about rituals – things to do to be a Christian If you really included the NT – there are only two commandments 1- Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul 2- Love one another – as He loved us This covers all the law in intent and purpose
D"Sorry Robert – two completely different words – from two completely different languages Are you mad? English is English I am discussing Greek and Hebrew original text – you discuss English No matter the discussion – you have to change it into something to argue about
You don't even intend to be taken seriously Just tear down - disrupt - and spoil Christian teaching as much as possible
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 8:52:42 GMT -5
Why did you stop with my questions? Have answered your same questions – over and over Post something new and intelligent – or don’t – your choice
D" Archons are Sons of God. R" Not even close. If you look up all the lines upon line, you find SOns of God refer to children of the Most High who are always with yester TOV, not with Yester RA.
Gen 6:1 Now when humankind began to multiply on the face of the ground and daughters were born to them, Gen 6:2 then the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were good and they took for themselves wives, any they chose.
D" you teach the sons of God are sons of Seth – no biological men in heaven R" I do not
You argued many times – Gen 6 cannot be about heavenly creatures – not messengers (angels) You argued the Sethian point of view – these were just the sons of Seth You cannot even be honest about your own teaching OR – have you completely changed your theology? Or – are you you just posting bullshit to prove your insincerity and lack of honesty ---------------------------------------------
Now answer the other points We have been all over the Book of Job – you just want to argue in circles
Job 1:8 Adonai said to the satan, “Did you notice my servant Job? It is not a sin – or a transgression of any law to be honest with the Lord
Now regarding your John and John- the Satans presentation, that some other evil creature does the killing of Job's children, and the lightning falls from heaven, etc.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto "good angel", Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; If that is so, why does GOD allow the "good angel" to have powers over Job? The only power Hebrew satan has is to accuse man – oppose man - - call out man’s sin
Question: what does the "good angel" do with this power from God? Investigate if Job sins? Hardly... how do I know this?
Job 2:3 ....and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:3 - though you incited Me against him to ruin him without any reason. God test His people – satan is not forcing God to do anything God does already do Your idea that your satan god can push the Lord around and make God react is satantic nonsense
In the Book of Job – God tested Job In the book of Job – God used satan and the world to do it In the Book of Job – Job remained faithful to God no matter what the world did to him – or his family In the Book of Job – God told satan – accuse away – won’t do any good with Job
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 8:23:21 GMT -5
You are mad. If one is allowed to make three copies of Infinity, this does not change the number of infinity in any way. It is still ONE infinity. Correct – making copies of it is a stupid analogy - impossibleCan't you fathom my example with family photos. God is not physical matterD"Correct – you need multiple gods so relational love can exist R" NO, So you entire theology has changed – must have changes since your last postQuestion: Does having two copies of the same DNA sequence, make polytheism? DNA – physical matter has nothing to do with GodWhat is your problem?Physical matter has nothing to do with infinity or God How come you do not get this?I have no idea why you must damn Christian theology – satan boy Exo 33:20 But He also said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live.” Exo 33:21 Then Adonai said, “See, a place near Me—you will stand on the rock. Exo 33:22 While My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and cover you with My hand, until I have passed by. Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face will not be seen.” God's Face - the Father - that no man can see The Holy Spirit - the Spirit of God - you can experience but not see The image of God - you can see ad experience How many copies of God are there in this passage? ANSWER = ONE That is experienced by man in 3 ways God the Father - we know He is there, but beyound are ability to understand The Glory of God - the Spirit of God - God invisible The Image of God - Christ - God visible God the Father can be on His throne 24/7 Yet - it is the Spirit of God (His invisible presence) that moves among the people (Shekinah) God the Father can be on His throne 24/7 Yet - it is the Spirit of God (His invisible presence) that dwells in a Temple God the Father can be on His throne 24/7 It is the Spirit of God (His invisible presence) that moves among the people (Shekinah) Yet - it is the Spirit of God (His invisible presence) that dwells in a Man named Jesus Man is a duality - (flesh)+(spirit) Jesus Christ = (Jesus - Son of Man)+(Christ - God incarnate) How come you do not get this?The only reason you must deny the Trinity - is that it incorporates the Spirit The only reason you must deny the Trinity - the Gospel of ONE - is to corrupt the idea of monotheism The only reason you must deny the Trinity – is because you have chosen to stand against Christianity The only reason you must deny the Trinity – is because you have a replacement religion based upon one mortal – a religion based on a human being – it is called a cult How many coins are pictured here?You demand there are three different coins All anyone else sees = ONEThe coin – is a concept – man can never see the whole coin – we are 3D – the coin is 2D Man can see (experience) the heads side – Christ Man can see (experience) the tails side - Spirit How many moons are pictured here?You demand there are three different moons All anyone else sees = ONEMoon Front side Back side
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