Hence the true text is found not only in the text of the majority of the New Testament manuscripts but more especially in the Textus Receptus and in faithful translations of the Textus Receptus, such as the King James Version. In short, the Textus Receptus represents the God-guided revision of the majority text.[21]"Far Eastern Bible College – A History of My Defence of the King James Version".
Hmm? not much here as a defenceYour argument = this is the official version of the Roman Edit
and you are correct However – NOW you have the Dead Sea Scrolls – The Hebrew text do not agree with the current Messoritic text – the WLC of 1080 Leningrad
You also have Enoch, the Book of Giants, the Book of Creation, the War Scroll + +
All gathered together in one large library
The dominance of Rome within Christendom as an attitude yield bias
How are the Dead Sea Scroll officially divided – Administrative / Scripture / and the rest they do no endorse – call it non-scripture (Gnostic)
However – the Coptic version is older and still survives to this day in Egypt
Their OT is different – it is the home of the Book of Jubilees and Enoch
Their NT is different – arranged differently with more 1st Century testimonials
They include a broader canon – to include titles you have never heard of and Rome does not endorse
All gathered together in one large library
However – you have the Nag Hammadi – a large library of a Coptic / Messianic / pro-Jewish / 1st and 2nd century Christians
The dominance of Rome within Christendom as an attitude yield bias
How is the library labeled – non-scripture (Gnostic)
As someone interested in the true Gospel – you have a choice1) be a closed minded Catholic and follow Rome’s authority
2) be open minded – embrace the whole picture – YHWY is the God of the whole world -
1Th 5:16 Rejoice always,
1Th 5:17 pray constantly,
1Th 5:18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Messiah Yeshua.
1Th 5:19 Do not quench the Spirit,
1Th 5:20 do not despise prophetic messages,
1Th 5:21 but test all things, hold fast to what is good,
Your desire to say the Jews are wrong or the Coptics are wrong – or deny other gods exist – or deny the demons of the Principalities – is just chosen arrogant ignorance
My mission as a Gnostic Christian - to reject the traditions of organized Catholicism - of which Protestantism is just a dilute version - Jesus was a Jew and so were His disciples - they had no clue about Catholic traditions - they were all Messianic Jews with Jewish theology and traditions.
The first Pentecost took place in the Temple where they had gathered - all of the First Christians were Pentecostal Messianic Jews - their theology was Messanic Jewish - there was no 1st Babtist church anywhere - there was only the body of believers lead by the spirit - taught by the spirit
First Century Christianity looked nothing like Roman Christendom which was organised later by powerful men - Roman Edit - Rome made special effort to deJewdify the faith - moved the sabbath - invented new doctrines - became a completely different man-made religion - whose legacy leave modern man frowning upon the church.
My mission as a Gnostic Christian - to reject the traditions of organized Catholicism - and learn as much pre-Roman Christianity as possible - the original faith - Christ did not come to change anything - Mat 25 - all of the first Christians were Pentecostal Messianic Jews of Jewish background and theology / demonology
The Nag Hammadi is a library from a group of first and second century Christians – this fact has never been questioned - The writings attributed to James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas do not contradict Christian theology.
It speaks to Christian demonology – which is just a different version of King Solomon’s demonology – which are both related to the Jinn of Islam
It scoffs at organized religion with mandated religious practices
The Apocalypse of Peter
"And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals."
The Gospel of Thomas
(53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?"
He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."
It speaks of belief in the spiritual realm
The Treatise on the Resurrection
What, then, is the resurrection? It is always the disclosure of those who have risen. For if you remember reading in the Gospel that Elijah appeared and Moses with him, do not think the resurrection is an illusion. It is no illusion, but it is truth! Indeed, it is more fitting to say the world is an illusion, rather than the resurrection which has come into being through our Lord the Savior, Jesus Christ.
The world is an illusion - not our real home - we are just having a physical souljourn here
From God we came and to God we return
It speaks to Christian spirituality – to be filled by the spirit – to walk a spirit filled lifeThe Gospel of Philip
Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing.
The Apocryphon of James
Then Peter replied, "Lo, three times you have told us, 'Become full'; but we are full."
The Savior answered and said, "For this cause I have said to you, 'Become full,' that you may not be in want. ... Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul." If the Torah and the OT is the foundation of your faith + the NT Messiah then belief in the Torah seems mandated
shedim are in the Bible – therefore they are 100% real fact
other gods are in the Bible – therefore they are 100% real fact
evil spirits are in the Bible – therefore they are 100% real fact
Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power.
Eph 6:11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you are able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Eph 6:13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist when the times are evil, and after you have done everything, to stand firm.
Eph 6:14 Stand firm then! Buckle the belt of truth around your waist, and put on the breastplate of righteousness.
Eph 6:15 Strap up your feet in readiness with the Good News of shalom.
Eph 6:16 Above all, take up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Eph 6:18 Pray in the Ruach on every occasion, with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, keep alert with perseverance and supplication for all the kedoshim.
Eph 6:19 And pray for me when I open my mouth to make known with boldness the mystery of the Good News,
100% Real fact
Buckle the belt of truth around your waist, - Pray in the Ruach on every occasion,Two of the mandates of Christianity that you reject
You claim the truth does not matter as long as you practice the religion your denomination dictates
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Do you have a website that really digs into the matter?DUH – aren't you even interested in church history?
The frustrating part is that you and I have been all over this before – more then once
The question is – do you even want to know
What about -
textus-receptus.com/wiki/SeptuagintHistorically the LXX was only the Torah. - So unless it is to be believed that Methuselah survived the flood by 14 years, and 100's of other errors, the modern LXX is to be utterly rejected as William Whitaker said, it "differes amazingly from the Hebrew"
(I assume this is William Whitaker (theologian)
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › William_Whitaker_(t...
William Whitaker (1548 – 4 December 1595) was a prominent Protestant Calvinistic Anglican churchman, academic, and theologian)
What about -
The Septuagint and the Received Textyoungtextlessreformed.com/2019/09/17/the-septuagint-and-the-received-text/You posted
Correct – there are 16 bastard verses within the 1611 KJV that do not exist anywhere else in history
Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
John 6:4 does not exist anywhere except the 1611 KJV – this one short verse adds 12 months to the ministry of Jesus – remove it and the ministry of Jesus was 70 weeks
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Dave" You claim that the trinity is a family of 3? Family Powers - just like all pagan gods
Rob" So what is your English meaning for "elohiym" ?H430 – אֱלֹהִים – 'ĕlôhı̂ym - Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
By the way, pagan family gods do not function as the divine family in heaven. Depends what you call heaven – the archon are an invisible race that exist just outside our view – they operate in the closest invisible realm to man – the next dimension – they can see us – we cannot see them
Just like microbes – know they are real and present – just can’t see them
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Your Gnostic writings that the left hand can do something apart from the right hand is bogus.
Mat 6:3 But when you do tzedakah, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
You can call the words of Jesus Christ bogus if you choose – ChristianEither you force Jesus Christ to be a liar – or you do not understand what is being said
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Dave" Ancient Gnostics taught that this world is corruption and it is something to overcome -
But you and I have been talking a long time and you know this is not my view
True – nature is based upon cycles of entropy – it is just how our world functions – for a rock to crumble into pebbles is not evil – it is entropy. The world itself is not evil – actually it is absolutely amazing teaching us of the Creator Rom 1:19
True – this world will pass away – entropy says one day it will all slow down into absolute zero – it is just how our world functions
Rob" Nice, so you do acknowledge my previous post, Gnostic religion is based on a world of natural entropy Gnostic religion? – I am a Gnostic Christianand sin is not considered a problem with the creatures of God's creation.Why do you say this? - Don’t you believe scripture?
Sin is man’s problem
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
Until Gen 6:4 – then a group of 200 or so archon created the nephilim – Now this group is also called sinning and locked away – Jude and Enoch
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.Ignorance of the truth = chôshek
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep,
You want to force this to be a rebellion / uprising and some type of fallen angel event
he sinned against the entirety.
1- why was he ignorant – matter does not understand heaven – blind
2- his sin was against the entirety – all creation
Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
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RObPP" Why would GOD create something temporary? Is not GOD absolutely perfect in all He does?
Dave" There are only three options
1) Rev 21 is proof that God cannot create perfection
2) your satan god is so powerful that he forces God to start over
3) or it is all God’s Plan – all God’s Will – because it is God’s creation and He is absoluteRob" You don't answer.Sure I did 1) Rev 21 is proof that God cannot create perfection
God is not very good – weak – made mistakes – REJECTED2) your satan god is so powerful that he forces God to start over
God is not very good – weak – pushed around – forced - losses the struggle – REJECTED3) or it is all God’s Plan – all God’s Will – because it is God’s creation and He is absolute
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I see no reason for entropy in the creationOnly if you want nature to function – stars to burn – plants to grow – the animals were all charged / commanded to be fruitful and multiply
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No need for archons to tempt humans to sin, since the sinning of humans will achieve nothingWhy do you you say these nasty things?
Gen 2:16 Then Adonai Elohim commanded the man saying, “From all the trees of the garden you are most welcome to eat.
Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!”
מות תמות׃ - remember this – mûth (present infinitive) mûth (future imperative)
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
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Perhaps God wanted to show more loving response to humans who are the only creatures with free will?I would say – Judeo-Christian scripture is man-centric – man’s relationship with God – Torah was given to man for man.
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This option makes God selfish and unfair,, and entropy is just an example of God knowing good and bad, why impose this upon sinless humans?1- humans are not sinless – never have been – no exceptions
Psa 53:4 All have turned aside—together they have become corrupt. There is no one who does good—no, not even one!
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Why impose this upon sinless humans?Authoritative TeachingAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
Why – God is testing manShakespeare – all the world is a stage - and your performance will be graded
Why test man -
Deu 8:2 You are to remember all the way that Adonai your God has led you these 40 years in the wilderness—in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.
Jas 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
Jas 1:4 And let endurance have its perfect work, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
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Why do you ignore God cursing nature after Adam sinned?Gen 3:17 Then to the man He said, “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate of the tree which I commanded you, saying, ‘You must not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground because of you—with pain will you eat of it all the days of your life.
Gen 3:18 Thorns and thistles will sprout for you. You will eat the plants of the field,
Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you eat food, until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken. For you are dust, and to dust will you return.”
Adam was kicked out of the paradise of Eden – Hollywood always portrays a – scratching out of the desert existence – sheep herders – thirsty
Thorns and thistles always existed from creation – their seed can lay dormant for years until you try to plant then you wake them up -
The only thing that changed is now Adam has to plant / garden his own garden – raise his own food -
By the sweat of your brow will you eat food,Welcome to reality – welcome to the cycle of nature
All the world did not change – Adam and Eve changed locations –
(midrash) They left the paradise of Eden and entered a rocky desert. Seeking shelter they found refuge in a cave – The Cave of Treasures
Enoch hid some books in the Cave of Treasures
Noah used these same books to help build the ark
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Why was the serpent allowed to test the humans to begin with?Because God test His chosen people
As soon as God gave the commandment – God knew what would happen – no surprises for God – therefore all God’s Plan – all God’s Will
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Why is it necessary for free will creatures anyway? After all your angels are robots?I would not call good guy angels of the Lord robots – but they were created to serve and praise – that is their role within creation
Why is it necessary for free will creatures Not necessary – But the reason = Prodigal SonsLuk 15:11 Then Yeshua said, “A certain man had two sons,
Luk 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that comes to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them.
Luk 15:13 “Not many days later, the younger son gathered everything and traveled to a far country, and there he squandered his inheritance on wild living.
Luk 15:14 Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine came against that country, and he began to be in need.
Luk 15:15 So he went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs.
Luk 15:16 And he was longing to fill up on the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one was giving him any.
Luk 15:17 “But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have food overflowing, but here I am dying of hunger!
Luk 15:18 I’ll get up and go to my father, and I’ll say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence.
Luk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired workers.
Luk 15:20 “And he got up and went to his own father. But while he was still far away, his father saw him and felt compassion. He ran and fell on his neck and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
Luk 15:22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quick! Bring out the best robe and put it on him! Put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet.
Luk 15:23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let’s celebrate with a feast!
Luk 15:24 For this son of mine was dead and has come back to life—he was lost and is found!’ Then they began to celebrate.
(google) Someone once said this quote, “If you love someone, let them go. If they return, they were always yours. If they don't, they never were.” Today, there are several variations of this line and no one really knows for sure who came up with the line first.
The concept is straight from the Prodigal Son and LukeGod places us in this 3D physical world – he lets us go
While in this world of corruption – if we return to God as the Prodigal Son God knows we are His – Joy / Divine Joy
While in this world of corruption – if we do not return to God – it is our choice alone – because we choose world not God
Authoritative Teaching… and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.Recognize this world for what it is – fleeting – corrupting – not our true home – we will become discussed with this world and disappointed by our fellow man
and flee to the one who exists. - God
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Dave" Because they are made with ‘some’ matter – they are not purely ethereal – they are in-between
Rob" OK, so why didn't God create them properly, seems to have made a mistake? Is that even possible?1) God makes mistakes
God is not very good – weak – made mistakes – REJECTED2)
or it is all God’s Plan – all God’s Will – because it is God’s creation and He is absolute
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Dave" Matter corrupts – no flesh in heaven
Rob" Can you prove this idea?
How come Jesus is flesh in heaven after He rose from the grave as a human, without sin.He was changed – why do you deny it?
We will change – why do you deny it?
All things will change and become new – why do you deny it?
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I see you define self as yester ra. Hmm?You already know we agreed on this more than 2 years ago(yester ra) = self preservation – and the survival of the species
In itself is is not evil or sin
Without it man would not progress or create – desire – want
To praise the Lord – man built a Temple to the Lord
How much earth was disturbed – ra – to build the temple
How many Ceders were cut down – ra – to build the temple
Any one hurt on the job – ra
Just to built a Temple to the Lord – tov
In itself (yester ra) is is not evil or sin – it is our animal nature
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire.
(desire – want – greed – Selfishness / Self - yester ra) Jas 1:15 Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is full grown, it brings forth death.
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Can this yester ra be inherited to your children? All biology is commanded by God to go forth and multiply
All biology is commanded with the instinct for self-preservation and the survival of the species
All biology is born with (yester ra)
If your a drunk, or a murderer for example?Now we are talking about biological markers for behaviorSeriously – YESI am manic depressive – I argued this over with God for years
The First Book of Adam and Eve79:24 And He said to him, "Where is thy brother?" To which he answered and said, "I know not." Then the Creator said to him, "Be trembling and quaking."
25 Then Cain trembled and became terrified; and through this sign did God make him an example before all the creation, as the murderer of his brother. Also did God bring trembling and terror upon him, that he might see the peace in which he was at first, and see also the trembling and terror he endured at the last; so that he might humble himself before God, and repent of his sin, and seek the peace he enjoyed at first.
26 And in the word of God that said, "I will forego seven punishments on whomsoever kills Cain," God was not seeking to kill Cain with the sword, but He sought to make him die of fasting, and praying and weeping by hard rule, until the time that he was delivered from his sin.
27 And the seven punishments are the seven generations during which God awaited Cain for the murder of his brother.
28 But as to Cain, ever since he had killed his brother, he could find no rest in any place; but went back to Adam and Eve, trembling, terrified, and defiled with blood. . . .
Point #1 – The mark of Cain - the Creator said to him, "Be trembling and quaking."
I pictured him as a sniveling little coward – not worth a bullet
Point #2 – The family – future generations – of the guy who kills Cain
will be afflicted for 7 generationsThe Second Book of Adam and Eve13:5 5 Meanwhile Cain, ever since God had cast him off, and had cursed him with trembling and terror, could neither settle nor find rest in any one place; but wandered from place to place.
6 In his wanderings he came to Lamech's wives, and asked them about him. They said to him, "He is in the field with the cattle."
7 Then Cain went to look for him; and as he came into the field, the young shepherd heard the noise he made, and the cattle herding together from before him.
8 Then said he to Lamech, "O my lord, is that a wild beast or a robber?"
9 And Lamech said to him, "Make me understand which way he looks, when he comes up."
10 Then Lamech bent his bow, placed an arrow on it, and fitted a stone in the sling, and when Cain came out from the open country, the shepherd said to Lamech, "Shoot, behold, he is coming."
11 Then Lamech shot at Cain with his arrow and hit him in his side. And Lamech struck him with a stone from his sling, that fell upon his face, and knocked out both his eyes; then Cain fell at once and died.
12 Then Lamech and the young shepherd came up to him, and found him lying on the ground. And the young shepherd said to him, "It is Cain our grandfather, whom thou hast killed, O my lord!"
Gen 4:24 If Cain is to be avenged seven times, then Lamech—77 times!”
Point #1 – The mark of Cain - the Creator said to him, "Be trembling and quaking."
Point #2 – The family – future generations – of the guy who kills Lamech will be
afflicted for 77 generations? Minnesota Twin Study 1990 – before 1965 identical twins could be adopted apart – this study found and reunited twins that had never seen one another before
Sister A from Iowa - Sister B from England – as sister B came off the air plane she looked just like her twin – same dress type – same hair – same make up – same glasses – same shape and weight
After further investigation majority of their music collection was the same, same hobbies, same college degrees etc etc
THE UNCANNY CASE OF THE JIM TWINS, www.ripleys.com/weird-news/jim-twins/Twins adopted apart – no contact
Both had a dog named ‘Toy’ as a kid
Both married a Linda
Both divorces after 2.5 years
Both remarry a Betty
Both drove the same car
Both had the same job
Both named their sons James Allen
All – before they ever knew about one another
We are who we are programmed to be – by our genetic codeEven the desire to be religious – VMAT2 Gene
Preachers run in families –
The God genehttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › God_gene
According to the God Gene hypothesis, spirituality has a genetic component, of which (VMAT2) comprises one component by contributing to sensations associated ...
Can biological markers for behavior be inherited to your children? YES – some sins of the father are passed down genetically – or at least can beIf you say – how does this impact free will?
Ponder - Eph 1:5 He predestined us for adoption as sons through Messiah Yeshua, in keeping with the good pleasure of His will—
How does this impact free will?
We are all dealt a hand to play – we are who we are – live up to our potentials – and make the most of our lives – whatever path we end up on
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Dave" Fallen angels is NOT a Jewish teaching
The only evidence you have is Catholic satan
Rob" No Dave, I have ancient Chinese evidence, 1000 years before Moses wrote any torah, the secret agent in the Garden of Eden enticed Eve into 4 functions of sin. Such as agent of sin is called in Chinese logograms the devil.Absolutely no one is in denial of the devilRev 12:9 (YLT) and the great dragon was cast forth—the old serpent, who is called 'Devil,' and 'the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world—he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.
That is NOT the issue between us – and you know itShow me your Chinese proving the Fall of Satan – that your satan hates God
Show me any pre-Roman source that agrees with you
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Dave ""It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety.
ROb" I have asked this once before, how can an archon sin Dave? Your archons can do no moral sins? so what is this quotation saying?
Who is playing word games?Rom 5:13 for till law sin was in the world: and sin is not reckoned when there is not law;
Sin = transgressing the Law
The error is one of ignorance – self centered – me only – arrogance- absence of the truth = choshek
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RobPP" seek not familiar spirits that are wizards that peep and mutter in tongues, seeking the living among the dead?
Dave" This is a valid statement – man is not to bow down to other gods of any kind – King Solomon is the lesson – play with fire and you will get burnt
Rob " so why do you wish to know archons so much?So many reasons 1) – I have a personal experience to explain to myself
I saw something that wasn’t there – I interacted with something that wasn’t there – today the term shadow people would apply.
I have been on that quest since 1974 – in many different ways
2) –
we are called to minister the truthDenominational Christendom is falling away
Why – because they allow the theology to go undefended
The mix of theology offered by the church is not an acceptable representation of reality
Don Patton and the Creation Institute do more harm than good
This is the result / legacy of Roman Christendom – divide into 2000 different denominations and conquer
So many people accept Intelligent Design – but just don’t want to be connected with a church.
So many people today claim to be spiritual - but just don’t want to be connected with a church
Today people doubt church - yet believe in aliens with UFOs and governments are moving toward full disclosure
There needs to be an intelligent revival – a last call to the people before its too lateIntelligent Design = Incremental Creation
The Flood of Noah = WEDD + FD-WEDT
Spirituality has nothing to do with church doctrine or religious practice
Of course there are aliens - they are archon and have always been with man from the beginning
Of course there is measurable paranormal activity - it is by the archon and they have always been with us
3) At the time of Abram and Ur – 100% of the planet (known world) were subject to other gods – OT Scripture is filled with 33 other gods by name –
scripture is real or it is not4) Abram become Abraham and the story of Israel unfolds
The 1% God’s chosen people against the 99% and all their other gods – first the Amorite – a Job not completed
Why is it a job not completed because God commanded a genocide and King Saul held back some cattle and sheep for a victory celebration 1 Sam 15:9-21
Jdg 2:1 And a messenger of Jehovah goeth up from Gilgal unto Bochim,
Jdg 2:2 and saith, 'I cause you to come up out of Egypt, and bring you in unto the land which I have sworn to your fathers, and say, I do not break My covenant with you to the age; and ye—ye make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land—their altars ye break down; and ye have not hearkened to My voice—what is this ye have done?
Jdg 2:3 And I also have said, I do not cast them out from your presence, and they have been to you for adversaries,
and their gods are to you for a snare.'
These other gods are still here – 100% real5) Are we in the end times?Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
At the time of Noah – the Nephilim were co-existing with man side by side – all flesh was corrupted
The archon are here – more visible than in years – in many forms – David Ike is even aware of them
Ancient aliens – UFOs – Hindu Vemas – Annanuki – WWII “Foo Fighters” – modern UFOs – all 100% real
Shadow governments – men in black suits – alien contact – all 100% real
The promoters of Darwinism – and then Evolution
Hollywood – the Gay Rights movement – the feminist movement – movement away from a central family structure to demographic winter
People who say they have seen or experienced something – demonic – shadow people – ghost – aliens – spirits
All 100% real – all archon in various forms
evil spirit and demons on earth + Gnostic text say at the flood the archon were ejected to the 7 heavenly bodies – Sun? – Moon? – Mars? – Venus? - ?
6) Are we in the end times1945 – Jewish holocaust over
1945 - Nag Hammadi
1947 – Dead Sea Scrolls
1948 – Israel became a Nation
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
At the time of Noah – the Nephilim were co-existing with man side by side – all flesh was corrupted
LA Marzuli – satans’s seed among us
If the rest of unfulfilled prophesy is unfolding, then the focus is once again upon the Nation of Israel and the Middle East – the story returns to Israel and her enemies who all bow to Allah – the supreme leader of all the other gods of the Levant7) Are we in the end timesIslam is a divided religion in a constant civil war with itself
Shia Islam = Jihad must be waged upon the planet – it is militant – Iran / Persia / Turkey
Sunni Islam = Jihad is the internal struggle we all face between right and wrong – it is more passive – Saudi Arabia / Jordan / Iraq / Egypt
Since WWI – the Middle east was dominated by the west – even the boundaries between countries drawn up by the west
The beginning of the Zionist Movement back to Israel was the Belford deceleration 1917 England – Peaceful co-existence – some areas Jewish – some areas Palestinian – segregation
Shia Islam – Iran hates Israel – militant Jihad
Sunni Islan – Saudi Arabia is trapped in the middle
Islam has an ongoing civil war between Shia and Sunni
Abraham accords – 1979 – today
Started by Jimmy Carter – completed by Donald Trump
As America withdraws from the Middle East - an economic and military alliance is structured between several Sunni States and the only remaining doorway to the west – Israel
Today Israel is at the center of a military an economic alliance spanning all the land between the Euphrates and the Nile
Joh 8:32 You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free!”
Gnostic – Recognize what is in your sight
Buckle the belt of truth around your waist, - Pray in the Ruach on every occasion,-----------------------
Dave" IS A MISS-STATEMENT of the Facts
Rob" Oh, so where are people who agree with you Dave? Can I read some of their words?Why don’t you read my post?Below are people who use "expressions" as "persons" of GOD
bustedhalo.com/ministry-resources/what-is-the-trinity
Expressions of God
The Trinity can be thought of in these three expressions:
God is “beyond us.”
We can never really fathom what God is, but we know that He is far beyond our limited human nature or anything we can come to know in that human experience. God is the ultimate mystery, the question that we never fully answer. This is God the Father — the creator, the one who is beyond all understanding.
Absolutely correct – no man can see the face of God God is also “among us.” -
Shekhinah / Holy SpiritGod is the “divine spark” that awakens us to the fact that we are alive. God imbues us with our creativity, our gifts and talents, and our limitations as well. As we come to know ourselves as people, we also come to know God — who knows us better than we know ourselves. This is the experience of God the Holy Spirit.
Shekhinah / Holy SpiritGod the Son is among us. -
Jesus ChristGod is also “within us.” -
The promised ComforterGod is all these things and more.
Could not agree moreExo 33:20 But He also said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live.”
Exo 33:21 Then Adonai said, “See, a place near Me—you will stand on the rock.
Exo 33:22 While My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and cover you with My hand, until I have passed by.
Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face will not be seen.”
God’s face that no man can see
The Glory of God – Holy Spirit
The image of God – Christ
Only one God – Moses /man can experience the Glory of God (Holy Spirit) – and/or see the image (Christ)
"This analogy reflects one of the oldest heresies: that God the Father turned into God the Son who later turned into the Holy Spirit. God is a unity of three persons, not one person with three expressions." IS A MISREPRESENTATION OF THE FACTS-------------------
Dave" What? - one mind + one Spirit
You mind and thoughts are not your spirit
ROb" Oh so the biological mind called Jesus was made with the Spirit called Christ, Your mind – your thoughts are from your own brain – they are not your spirit – it is just biology – be a plumber – be an engineer – be a teacher – does not matter – all just life as an animal
(yester tov) – your spirit is better thought of as your sub-conscious
I want to do wrong – yet way back in my sub-conscious I already know its wrong – the part of me that instinctively knows better
Man is the only creature that has that conscious to bother him – question him – cause guilt
Does a cow / deer / bug have a guilty conscious for eating my garden – I think not – they are just surviving (yester ra)
and this allowed the biological mind to be tempted and die?Jesus was the Son of man – 100% just like you and me
So satan tried his best
But Jesus Christ is also God incarnate – the image of God in this 3D world – thus – God cannot be tempted
The Spirit is always eternal? Correct – Life Lives – unless you throw it away in the Lake of Fire---------------------------
All three versions differ – many textural differences
Rob" Nice summary Dave, so how serious are the differences? Would they cause you to lose your salvation from reading a bad version? That is the only important question.The important point = Any doctrine or teaching by one verse only is error – could be error
Scripture is not word for word within texts – so to be word specific just leads to error – this is why scripture must validate itself.
There are 23+49 verses about satan between the OT and NT – none of them support the idea that your satan god hates the Creator – or opposes the Creator in any way – Each verse is satan in the service of the Lord opposing / accusing / challenging man
These 23+49 verses do not support your Ezk 28 doctrine
Precept upon precept, line upon line – scripture does not validate your doctrine
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My questions to you are real and of passion, so answer them as a teacher should.I have over and over and over – if you are not satisfied with the amount of time I have spent with you then – too bad – whine awayROb" Prove to me this biological creature was like GOD knowing all things, including salvation if one chooses to sin for the first time? Is your archon GOD?
Rob" You did not answer this question?See how you are – you accuse me of not answering your question – then post my answerDave" They are aware of more of the universe than man – before Abram was called from Ur – they were flying space ships to and fro – they sure are more terminologically advanced than man – performing cloning experiment with ancient man - Nuclear war in India?
ROb" The archons did this? I thought mankind did this?
So you want to teach that the others gods of Sumar and the Indus Valley were just men?
Why do you deny the other gods of scripture – why do you deny scripture – pretend it isn’t true – scripture is believed or it is doubted
The archon know more than man
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ROb" Where does the false elojhiym power come from, if nobody is a sinning false elohiym power?Originally – basically
It is nature – it is the nature of physical creation – to slide into darkness – ignorance
ROb" What? are you saying sin is a natural inclination arising from entropy placed inside the matter as a natural consequence of creation?Correct – as soon as the first matter appeared it has a life span before it undergoes a transformation – order to disorder – a rock will crumble over time – a rock will wear in the flow of water- it is NOT evil – it is entropy – it allows the cycles of nature to happen.
A star burns – entropy
It will burn out one day – entropy
1st Law of thermodynamics – E cannot be created or destroyed only translated or transmuted
ROb" What? are you saying sin is a natural inclination arising from entropy placed inside the matter as a natural consequence of creation?Yes – all flesh comes with the commandment for self preservation and survival (yester ra)
Eve was no different (yester ra) animal body + (yester tov) spirit
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, -
= yummy desiralble (yester ra)and that it was pleasant to the eyes, -
looked yummy too – want – desire (yester ra)and a tree to be desired to make one wise, -
OH GREED – self-centered – desired - (yester ra) she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat,
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire.
Jas 1:15 Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is full grown, it brings forth death.
Her desire – her choice It is wrong thinking to believe we are now cursed by her
Truth - each of us is born perfect in all our ways
Truth - each one of us sin because we are greedy animals
It is not Eve's fault we are as we are
Eve is just the composite example of all of us
She is adam / man / mankind
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RobPP" Hmm? theories of Jews, OK, so we agree sinning takes time? So the serpent has to be sinning in order to make Eve develop her sinning much faster....
Rob" Yes, you did not answer my question.
So the serpent has to be sinning –
is your assumption – doesn’t mean it fits or not – doesn’t mean its relevant or not – but your bias is clear
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Dave" Correct there is no origin story within the OT – only that they exist – shedim, other gods, devils, and demons – all 100% real
ROb" You have just stated the Bible is totally useless as a Book to explain the basic tenants of the human seeking salvation to his answers. Christian Robert – you say the most awful things
Why would GOD not answer such questions? As for the OT – it was not relevant
The OT saga is related to the land and the people - the nation
But here we are after 2000 years of Roman Christendom and the faith is fractured in 2000 or more ways
Yet we are to face – or are facing an increase spiritual warfare
Eph 6:12 - we are facing a spiritual warfare with powers of darkness and wickedness in heavenly placesUnlike the OT where only few walked in the Holy Spirit - We call them prophets
2Ki 6:15 Now when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold, an army with horses and chariots was surrounding the city. So his attendant said to him, “Alas, my master! What are we going to do?”
2Ki 6:16 “Fear not,” he replied, “for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
2Ki 6:17 Then Elisha prayed and said, “Adonai, please open his eyes that he may see.” Then Adonai opened the eyes of the young man and he saw, and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
Do you believe this scripture Robert - just out of our field of view - there is a reality populated by host - an invisible realm all around us filled with lifeUnlike the OT only a few are recorded as having a personal relationship with God
NT Christians are called to both a personal relationship with God and to spiritual warefareYou reject the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the spiritual
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Officially we only have John as a source
Unofficially we have John, James, and Phillip as a sources
ROb" so you neglect to read Ezekiel 28 to your downfall.John + John, James, and Phillip tell a different story than you and your two words from one verse doctrine created by Rome long after the first generation of New post-Jesus Christians had gone---------------------
Dave" where is your fallen angel Chinese script ?
ROb" I doubt any amount of evidence will change your world view Dave.Hey Mr serious stop whining
This is the 4th year you have been asked to provide a pre-Roman validation of your Ezk 28 fallen angel Sure the Chinese speak of the devil – the serpent – DUH
Where is the Chinese that proves your satan changed himself into the god of evil and then changed God’s creation
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Can't you as a teacher defend your own teachings?
I can and would do so if asked.1- Where is the Chinese that proves your satan fell of his own design
2- where is any scripture that validate your satan hates God and opposes God
So the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enough
So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD?
Line upon line, here and there, remember, how to read Scripture? And your answer is3- show me any pre-Roman source to validate your satan god
4- At the time of Abram and Ur – 100% of the planet (known world) were subject to other gods – OT Scripture is filled with 33 other gods by name – scripture is real or it is not
Abram become Abraham and the story of Israel unfolds
The 1% God’s chosen people against the 99% and all their other gods – first the Amorite – a Job not completed
Why didn’t God introduce Himself to all 100% of the planet? Instead God chose the 1% to face off with the 99% and all their other gods – why
5- why the complete genocide of the 7 tribes of Amorite
6- what are the consequences today because the genocide was not completed then?
7- you agree that the Beast / serpent / devils /and satanas existed before man (G 1:26)
Why did God look at it all and call it tov (G 1:31)
8- Is 1948 Israel prophetic?
9- Who is Allah and how does Islam play a row in the end times Christian prophesies
10- Why does this passage bother you so much?
1Pe 3:18 For Messiah once suffered for sins also—the righteous for the unrighteous—in order to bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Ruach.
1Pe 3:19 Through the Ruach He also went and preached to the spirits in prison.
1Pe 3:20 Long ago they disobeyed while God kept waiting patiently, in the days of Noah as the ark was being built. ...
The spirits of the long dead still awake to receive the Gospel.
Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus as they were transfigured (Mark 9:2–13; Matthew 17:1–13; Luke 9:28–36)
According to you – aren’t they supposed to be dead – sleeping
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Why do you deny the spiritual - you talk about fighting the good fight