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Post by anna on Jul 21, 2012 12:01:04 GMT -5
I have been reading books by Janette Oke. A lot of her books have been made into Hallmark movies. The last one I read was LOVE FINDS A HOME The books are about letting god have control over our lives. Letting him help making lives decision. There is a scripture about sinners: For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet pre-adventure for a good man some would even dare to die But God commendeth his love toward us in that, while we were sinners, Christ died for us The question was ask How do you understand the Scripture Can someone tell where to find this Scripture in the Bible?
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Post by Dave on Jul 22, 2012 14:35:53 GMT -5
Romans 5:6-9 (KJV)
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
He did it even tho humanity, as a whole, hasn't risen that far from grunting beast.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Who would you volunteer to die in place of? What human would volunteer?
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
God proved He means business! He did it!
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Now this is the issue isn't it - How one interprets this passage - as any passage - one will read into it there own version of the "Saved vs Wrath."
2 examples =
Mysterious religious mythologies and theme park versions of the afterlife force images like - Jesus is there waiting for me, along with Grandma and Aunt Betty. We all hug and cry with great joy and jump up and down with happiness for ever and every and - Grandma never gets tired, Aunt Betty's bad breath never gets on your nerves, and this whole circle hug thing never gets boring - well because its heaven after all.
Yet, closer study of scripture reveled simple tidbits of fact - such as - different localities within heaven. Some at the Right Hand means some would be elsewhere doesn't it? The Catholics add Purgatory to the amount of "OTHER PLACES" you could end up in the afterlife. Christ was a Jew and the Jews just go to the Grave (much like Purgatory) - but some of them end up in Gehenna and gentiles end up in Hades / Hell.
There are volumes of post dedicated to discussing each one.
Other Christian are working hard to reap their rewards in heaven - so some think they can better their position there - improved locality - the better suburbs.
Other religions spend much energy on different localities of afterlives as well. Islam, and Hindus, speak openly about 7 heavens. Jews have 7 words for heaven. Paul visited the 3rd heaven. Science has 10 dimensions of space. We live in a 3 dimensional reality. Add 7 heavens to that and we get 10 again.
UFO phenomena are often discussed as dimensional visitors - Ghost - other paranormal evidence - clairvoyance - prophesy
There is just too much evidence that the realities outside of our own are much more complicated than just an issue of heaven and hell.
Salvation vs Wrath. in a more complex afterlife, shift away from the two extremes of absolutes - black and white - heaven or hell - but into a more shades of grey areas than religion is NOT willing to discuss.
So then - what of Christ and the Crusxifiction and Resurrection?
2 points - 1- this was a real event proving - once and for all - there is an afterlife! 2- God offers us a doorway. A road map. A Gospel. An instruction manual to better your position in your eventual afterlife.
Focus on God - Focus on the Kingdom of God - Focus on Christ and Prayer changes your mental mindset. Places the brain waves into a more "in tune" wavelength with the Creator. This mental training - this spiritual focus - is just like exercise building the inner spark within us. Growing the essence within us - so that at the moment of passing / rebirth into the next reality - we are better prepared to adapt the the surprises that await us.
Thanks for your post
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