Post by Dave on Jul 24, 2024 12:23:43 GMT -5
Joe Rogan Experienhttps: #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka
2:17:40 min
This is a very long interview – to me Professor Pasulka rambles a bit.
All of this interview is valuable – covers so much information – about the UFO investigative community, what they believe is real – and a discussion of actual physical evidence – as well as “visitations” in Church History.
So – for the sake of brevity – my comments are limited to the last 30 minutes – their summary / conclusions of a 2 hr interview.
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Who is she?
From: UFOs and Aliens Are (Probably) Not What You Think: An Interview with Diana Walsh Pasulka
europeanconservative.com/articles/dreher/ufos-and-aliens-are-probably-not-what-you-think-an-interview-with-diana-walsh-pasulka/
Diana Walsh Pasulka never imagined that her scholarly work in the field of religion would lead her to skulking around in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico, with one of the world’s top scientists and a former high NASA official. She tells the story in her riveting 2019 book American Cosmic, in which Pasulka, a professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina-Wilmington, surveyed the then-current state of knowledge of UFOs and related phenomena.
FYI - She is a church going Catholic
Books:
Heaven Can Wait: Purgatory in Catholic Devotional and Popular Culture. Oxford University Press, 2014. ISBN 978-0195382020.
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology. Oxford University Press, 2019. ISBN 978-0190692889
Encounters: Experiences with Non-Human Intelligences, St. Martins Essentials, 2023. ISBN 978-1-250-87956-1
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1:41:00 – TWO DATA SETS
Witnesses officially report what they saw – but withhold information that might be considered “CRAZY”
Astronauts / piolets – have worked all their lives to get where they are – and were/are afraid to report everything they see or feel because they do not want to classified as “Mentally Unstable or Unfit”
In the general public – people make an official report – but share feeling and weird details with their friends and family
1:42:15 – WHO KNOWS THE MOST
Her opinion =
(wiki) Steven J. Dick (born October 24, 1949, Evansville, Indiana) is an American astronomer, author, and historian of science most noted for his work in the field of astrobiology. Dick served as the chief historian for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) from 2003 to 2009[1] and as the Baruch S. Blumberg NASA/Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology from 2013 to 2014.[2] Before that, he was an astronomer and historian of science at the United States Naval Observatory in Washington, DC, from 1979 to 2003.
1:44:15 – His quote - “An alien race has always been a part of human reality since the beginning”
His terminology for this alien race – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC
1:44:18 - Intelligence Principle
(wiki) The intelligence principle is a hypothetical idea of Dick's in the field of cultural evolution. Outlined in his 2003 paper "Cultural Evolution, the Postbiological Universe and SETI", the intelligence principle describes a potential binding tendency among all intelligent societies, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial:
The maintenance, improvement and perpetuation of knowledge and intelligence is the central driving force of cultural evolution, and that to the extent intelligence can be improved, it will
The goal of intelligence is to increase knowledge and intelligence – progress and innovation will only lead to mechanical / electronic data storage and retrieval – leading to Artificial Intelligence – leading to a merging between man and AI – to achieve the maximum knowledge and intelligence potential.
His quote – “When man meats up with ET – it will be an Alien AI/biological mix – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC”
Dan 12:4 … to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
(yester ra) Man is programmed / commanded by God – to have dominion and subdue – progress and innovation is a commandment by God – Man’s INSTINCTIVE need to grow and progress. – The Prophesy of Daniel is just common sense + human nature + (yester ra)
Books by Steven Dick:
Plurality of Worlds: The Origins of the Extraterrestrial Life Debate from Democritus to Kant (Cambridge University Press, 1982) ISBN 0-521-31985-4
The Biological Universe: The Twentieth Century Extraterrestrial Life Debate and the Limits of Science (Cambridge University Press, 1996) ASIN B000UUKKY6
Life on Other Worlds: The 20th Century Extraterrestrial Life Debate (Cambridge University Press, 2001) ISBN 0-521-79912-0
Many Worlds: The New Universe, Extraterrestrial Life and the Theological Implications (Templeton Foundation Press, 2000) ISBN 1-890151-42-4
The Living Universe: NASA and the Development of Astrobiology (Rutgers University Press, 2005) (co-authored with James Strick) ISBN 0-8135-3733-9
Sky and Ocean Joined – The U.S. Naval Observatory 1830-2000 (Cambridge University Press, 2003) ISBN 0-521-81599-1
1:46:10 - PROFESSOR PASULKS’S BIGGEST REVELATION
Earlier in this interview she talked a lot about the Pine Cone shaped Pineal Gland - and how this organ may be a metal gateway to a larger reality / another dimension
Hindu third eye? The organ stimulated by ritual drugs? An organ in your body you can stimulate by a “Process” / a “Method” of mental / physical diet and purification – shaman / monks / meditation
To her surprise – practiced by many of those working for secrete government projects / black projects
1:48:00 – SHE WAS CALLED TO BE WHO SHE IS
She admitted that since the age of 11 she knew she needed to study this subject – her life interest – her obsession – she is a professor and wants to know
I can relate – I just am who I am – I can be no other - www.ponderingconfusion.com
1:45:30- WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW
She states that – it is a mystery – supposed to be a mystery – because we are not supposed to know
Joe Rogan adds – give a cave man a cell phone and he would not understand it – as mankind today is just not ready for the whole story
I’ll add a different perspective – Eric Weinstein said we will never have a complete mathematical expression for everything – because part of the math exist within a different dimension
Just as – the whole truth about aliens / interdimensional visitations / or angel and demons / ARCHON – lays within another dimension / heaven / realm of existence
1:49:50 – OUR EVENTUAL EVOLUTION – THE MERGING OF MAN AND AI
The goal of intelligence is to increase knowledge and intelligence – progress and innovation will only lead to mechanical / electronic data storage and retrieval – leading to Artificial Intelligence – leading to a merging between man and AI – to achieve the maximum knowledge and intelligence potential.
Joe Rogan – makes such an interesting (yester ra) comment / observation
Progress / Innovation leads to Materialism
The goal of intelligence is to make new and better stuff – always wanting new and better stuff = greed / lust / desire (yester ra)
Wars over land is all about recourses – so they can make new and better stuff – (yester ra)
1:52:00 – ANCIENT ALIEN SPACE GODs
Our level of science today – can reproduce some of the miracles of the past
Steven dick - “An alien race has always been a part of human reality since the beginning”
Steven dick - “When man meats up with ET – it will be an Alien AI/biological mix – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC”
Steven dick - Intelligence Principle - eventually man will encounter an Alien Race more advanced than us – an we will see them as deities / gods
To me – we are right back to the Fertile Crescent – when Space Alien gods dominated the known world
1:54:25 – Joe Rogan – makes a great comment
If you went back in time to a cave man and showed him the stress and anxiety of surviving in our modern techno age – the cave man would turn it down to stay in his paradise of nature
FYI - Lakota, Ojibwe and Other Indigenous Star Knowledge – Native American Legend / Myth
They are from the planet Venus – after destroying their world – they migrated here – rejecting technology and returned to life with nature
1:55:30 – EVIL
Both of them discuss – the depths of EVIL mankind can indulge in
At times – war / psychotic – the depths of barbaric savagery is unimaginable
Neither make a reference to the source of EVIL – only that it must exist
Joe Rogan – makes a brief comment about – evil is there so we appreciate the good
What a Jewish thought – ra exist so man can appreciate the tov
Ra (ignorance of the truth of God – Darkness) vrs Tov (The Light - that illuminates the truth of God)
WHY DOES EVIL EXIST – Judaism / Gnostic Christianity
(yester ra) = the God given INSTINCT (programming) – given to all BEAST – all biology – “Self-preservation and the survival of the species”
When a cow pushes your fence over and eats your garden – is the cow being evil – or just surviving
When a bacteria invades your body and cause you harm – is it being evil – or just surviving
After the fact – does the cow or bacteria have a guilty conscious? – NO – just surviving
Man is also gifted / commanded / programmed – to have dominion / subdue / and conquer
(yester tov) – is that part of man – his soul / spirit – that was once in heaven with God – who was given the commission of - Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
(yester tov) is the part of man that knows better – that constantly convicts us of our behavior
Rom 7:14 For we know that the Torah is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold to sin.
Rom 7:15 For I do not understand what I am doing—for what I do not want, this I practice; but what I hate, this I do.
Rom 7:16 But if I do what I do not want to do, then I agree with the Torah—that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I doing it, but sin dwelling in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me—that is, in my flesh. For to will is present in me, but to do the good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do; but the evil that I do not want, this I practice.
Rom 7:20 But if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I doing it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:21 So I find the principle—that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the Torah of God with respect to the inner man,
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my body parts, battling against the law of my mind and bringing me into bondage under the law of sin which is in my body parts.
Rom 7:24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God—it is through Messiah Yeshua our Lord!
Man = (yester ra) biology + (yester tov) spirit / soul
Man is also gifted / commanded / programmed – to have dominion / subdue / and conquer - more than the cow or the bacteria – Man needs no help from a satanic force to be evil toward another.
Man is gifted and given the Free Will to express himself for ra or for tov
Judaism / Gnostic Christianity - /man is the creature that can choose
Catholic satan vrs Gnostic Archon
Christendom – Catholicism – want to blame all the ra on a Fallen Angel named satan
This is neither a Jewish belief (the theology of Jesus and His disciples – therefore the Gospels – therefore the Book of Acts) nor a Gnostic Christianity belief – we believe in the “Serpent Race”
David Ike – ‘Just outside our fiels of vision are entities that are anything but human – who have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons … some people call them demonic, some call them the SERPENT RACE, Islam calls them the Jinn’
Gnostic Christianity – in first century Greek script call them – ARCHION
The1611 King James Translators called them - Principalities
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, (G746 - ἀρχή - archē - chief in various applications of order, time, place or rank: ARCHON)
The ARCHON were FIRST – Rev 12:3-4 appeared at the moment of creation = Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness (H2822 – חֹשֶׁךְ - chôshek - the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, was upon the face of the deep.
Gnostic Cosmology
God created the heavens(pl) – this is the first age of man and angels – with God (yester tov - knowledge of the truth)
God created – physical matter (earth) with it came IGNORANCE of the truth of God (yester ra- ignorance / Darkness)
Rev 12:5 / Gen 1:3 – God introduces the LIGHT that illuminates the truth (Christ) – followed by a separation
Christendom forgets – the ARCHON were first
The Serpent was already in the Garden with Eve
It was God that established the CONTEST of Gen 3:14-24
God placed the struggle between man and world –and- man and ARCHON (the Serpent’s Seed)
Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world
Why does life have to be so hard?
The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library
Now all these things came to pass by the will of the father of the entirety. …
But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained.
The Exegesis on the Soul - The Nag Hammadi Library
For the beginning of salvation is repentance. Therefore (cf. Acts 13:24), "Before Christ`s appearance came John, preaching the baptism of repentance."
And repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation. Therefore he said through the spirit to the prophet (cf. 1 Cl 8:3), "Say to the children of my people, 'If your sins extend from earth to heaven, and if they become red like scarlet and blacker than sackcloth, and if you return to me with all your soul and say to me 'my Father!', I will heed you as a holy people.'"
1:58:13 – CONCLUSION – HER OPINION
The UFO / Alien / Demonic / Inter-dimensional visitation (ARCHON)
1- there is an intelligence different then us – higher than us – from another dimension / heaven / realm
2- they have been with man since the beginning of history
3- they can communicate with man
4- they direct the narrative about them
2:00:00 – today there is an AWAKENING happening – a mass change in attitude and perception
Partly due to the increased spread of information via the internet
Partly from the mass reporting of so many UFO / Alien related incidents
Partly by the governments ‘DISCLOSUREMOVEMENT’ - - asking for input from a large data base
2:00:30 – Physical UFO evidence – does exist – is very real
2:01:30 – Inter-dimensional Visitors - do exist - can appear in our dimension / world – can transmute objects into this world – effect matter in our world
2:02:00 – Our government knows all about – all of it
Many government know all about it – but keep it a secret from the general population
2:02:10 – DONATIONS
Some speculate that UFO crashes are the result of electrical storms or forms of human interference – Some suggest that these crashed craft are DONATIONS to man – so that we can reverse engineer the technology
Joe Rogan – makes a big argument about the new technology that arrived after the Roswell Crash –His example = fiber Optics and military aircraft
Similar in theme with the Book of Enoch – The Watchers giving mankind technology – knowledge from the heavens – that was used for war
CARGO CULTS
WWI + WWII military cargo planes would land / crash on remove Islands to natives that never saw an airplane before – these planes left technology / medicine / and food behind
After the fact – these same natives prayed for the sky gods to return
Similar – to the Space Alien gods of suman and the4 known world at the time of Abram and the beginning of Israel’s story as God’s chosen people
2:03:25 – ETs ARE REAL
Yes – aliens – do visit our planet from other planets – the physical evidence is real
Gnostic Literature – suggest that the ARCHON / Nephilim were ejected from earth at the time of the Flood of Noah – to the 7 visible heavenly bodies
What are these 7 heavenly bodies? – unknown – speculation = The Moon, Mars, the Sun, Jupiter – maybe some planet named Nebiru?
2:04:50 – BOB LAZAR – anyone into UFOs and Aliens knows who this is – Area 51 Whistle Blower
FYI – the people in the know – believe him
Bob Lazar – was a useful idiot – someone crazy genius enough to be helpful – and cray weird enough to be allowed to talk and easily discredited – as just crazy
2:08:00 – QUESTION – HAS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY BEEN REENGINEERD BY THE GOVERNMENT?
No one will give an honest answer - Asked of Jacques Vallee – who avoided to answer
Jacques Vallee – if you don’t know who this is – you should
One of the earliest creators of the internet – part of the French Intelligence Agency - became France’s Project Blue book - one of the first truly scientific investors of the UFO /Alien phenomena
Books:
Anatomy of a Phenomenon: Unidentified Objects in Space – a Scientific Appraisal. NTC/Contemporary Publishing (January 1965). ISBN 0809298880.
Reissue: UFO's In Space: Anatomy of A Phenomenon (paperback). Ballantine Books (April 1987). ISBN 0345344375.
Challenge to Science: The UFO Enigma – with Janine Vallée (NTC/Contemporary Publishing, 1966)
(these bbks look at the UFO / Alien phenomena as biological visitors from other planets)
Jacques Vallée (1969), Passport to Magonia: from Folklore to Flying Saucers, Wikidata Q35273897
(with this book – his opinion changes to = inter-dimensional visitation – associated with religious groups / cults)
Jacques Vallée (1975), The Invisible College: What a Group of Scientists Has Discovered about UFO Influence on the Human Race, Wikidata Q2983594
The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects – Jacques Vallée and Dr. J. Allen Hynek (Quality Books, 1975)
Jacques Vallée (June 1979), Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults, Wikidata Q40014992
(I love this book – how a small message or idea can cause an eventual mass cultural movement in attitude – and how the Aliens actually direct our own perception of them – we see and know – what they want us to see and know)
Jacques Vallée (April 1988), Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact (in English and French), Wikidata Q40201814
Jacques Vallée (March 1990), Confrontations: A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact, Wikidata Q19422803
Jacques Vallée (September 1991), Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception, Wikidata Q40206753
UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union: A Cosmic Samizdat (Ballantine Books, 1992)
2:12:20 – Jacques Vallee = a respected scientist in every right – yet his personal library reads like the Vatican – many books on Angels and Fallen Angels
His quote – “Can’t have one without the other”
YES – there have always been two groups
Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of (bane elohiym) shouted for joy?
1Ki 22:19 …. I saw Adonai sitting on His throne, with all the hosts of heaven standing by Him on His right hand and on His left.
2:13:20 – the reference is made as to how – modern Ufology – with inter-dimensional visitations – equates with quantum physics
True science can do no other than to validate Romans 1:19-20
Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—
2:14:40 – WHY DISCLOSURE NOW?
Answer – China is going into space – and going to the moon
Until now – USA and Russia had a secrecy agreement – to hide what we found in space
We met an alien intelligence – that told us to stay silent – or else
Maybe promised technology – in exchange for permission to abduct and study humans
But – now China cannot be trusted to keep the secret
Dan 12:4 (as mankind approaches the end times) ... time of the end. Many will run back and forth and knowledge will increase.’
2:16:20 – her view of the future – horrible and hopeful
Mankind is facing a global economic downturn / collapse – war on any scale will just make it worse – 3rd world countries will be hardest hit – America will be faced with a decision: feed itself or the starving world
But – hopefully the coming MASS AWAKENING – of a larger reality change our priorities for the good?