UFOs / Aliens / Demons - what really are they?

[Dave]

Joe Rogan Experienhttps: #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka
2:17:40 min

This is a very long interview – to me Professor Pasulka rambles a bit.
All of this interview is valuable – covers so much information – about the UFO investigative community, what they believe is real – and a discussion of actual physical evidence – as well as “visitations” in Church History.
So – for the sake of brevity – my comments are limited to the last 30 minutes – their summary / conclusions of a 2 hr interview.
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Who is she?
From: UFOs and Aliens Are (Probably) Not What You Think: An Interview with Diana Walsh Pasulka
europeanconservative.com/articles/dreher/ufos-and-aliens-are-probably-not-what-you-think-an-interview-with-diana-walsh-pasulka/
Diana Walsh Pasulka never imagined that her scholarly work in the field of religion would lead her to skulking around in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico, with one of the world’s top scientists and a former high NASA official. She tells the story in her riveting 2019 book American Cosmic, in which Pasulka, a professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina-Wilmington, surveyed the then-current state of knowledge of UFOs and related phenomena.
FYI - She is a church going Catholic
Books:
Heaven Can Wait: Purgatory in Catholic Devotional and Popular Culture. Oxford University Press, 2014. ISBN 978-0195382020.
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology. Oxford University Press, 2019. ISBN 978-0190692889
Encounters: Experiences with Non-Human Intelligences, St. Martins Essentials, 2023. ISBN 978-1-250-87956-1
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1:41:00 – TWO DATA SETS
Witnesses officially report what they saw – but withhold information that might be considered “CRAZY”
Astronauts / piolets – have worked all their lives to get where they are – and were/are afraid to report everything they see or feel because they do not want to classified as “Mentally Unstable or Unfit”
In the general public – people make an official report – but share feeling and weird details with their friends and family

1:42:15 – WHO KNOWS THE MOST
Her opinion =
(wiki) Steven J. Dick (born October 24, 1949, Evansville, Indiana) is an American astronomer, author, and historian of science most noted for his work in the field of astrobiology. Dick served as the chief historian for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) from 2003 to 2009[1] and as the Baruch S. Blumberg NASA/Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology from 2013 to 2014.[2] Before that, he was an astronomer and historian of science at the United States Naval Observatory in Washington, DC, from 1979 to 2003.

1:44:15 – His quote - “An alien race has always been a part of human reality since the beginning”
His terminology for this alien race – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC

1:44:18 - Intelligence Principle
(wiki) The intelligence principle is a hypothetical idea of Dick's in the field of cultural evolution. Outlined in his 2003 paper "Cultural Evolution, the Postbiological Universe and SETI", the intelligence principle describes a potential binding tendency among all intelligent societies, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial:
The maintenance, improvement and perpetuation of knowledge and intelligence is the central driving force of cultural evolution, and that to the extent intelligence can be improved, it will

The goal of intelligence is to increase knowledge and intelligence – progress and innovation will only lead to mechanical / electronic data storage and retrieval – leading to Artificial Intelligence – leading to a merging between man and AI – to achieve the maximum knowledge and intelligence potential.

His quote – “When man meats up with ET – it will be an Alien AI/biological mix – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC”

Dan 12:4 … to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

(yester ra) Man is programmed / commanded by God – to have dominion and subdue – progress and innovation is a commandment by God – Man’s INSTINCTIVE need to grow and progress. – The Prophesy of Daniel is just common sense + human nature + (yester ra)

Books by Steven Dick:
Plurality of Worlds: The Origins of the Extraterrestrial Life Debate from Democritus to Kant (Cambridge University Press, 1982) ISBN 0-521-31985-4
The Biological Universe: The Twentieth Century Extraterrestrial Life Debate and the Limits of Science (Cambridge University Press, 1996) ASIN B000UUKKY6
Life on Other Worlds: The 20th Century Extraterrestrial Life Debate (Cambridge University Press, 2001) ISBN 0-521-79912-0
Many Worlds: The New Universe, Extraterrestrial Life and the Theological Implications (Templeton Foundation Press, 2000) ISBN 1-890151-42-4
The Living Universe: NASA and the Development of Astrobiology (Rutgers University Press, 2005) (co-authored with James Strick) ISBN 0-8135-3733-9
Sky and Ocean Joined – The U.S. Naval Observatory 1830-2000 (Cambridge University Press, 2003) ISBN 0-521-81599-1

1:46:10 - PROFESSOR PASULKS’S BIGGEST REVELATION
Earlier in this interview she talked a lot about the Pine Cone shaped Pineal Gland - and how this organ may be a metal gateway to a larger reality / another dimension
Hindu third eye? The organ stimulated by ritual drugs? An organ in your body you can stimulate by a “Process” / a “Method” of mental / physical diet and purification – shaman / monks / meditation
To her surprise – practiced by many of those working for secrete government projects / black projects

1:48:00 – SHE WAS CALLED TO BE WHO SHE IS
She admitted that since the age of 11 she knew she needed to study this subject – her life interest – her obsession – she is a professor and wants to know
I can relate – I just am who I am – I can be no other - www.ponderingconfusion.com

1:45:30- WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW
She states that – it is a mystery – supposed to be a mystery – because we are not supposed to know

Joe Rogan adds – give a cave man a cell phone and he would not understand it – as mankind today is just not ready for the whole story

I’ll add a different perspective – Eric Weinstein said we will never have a complete mathematical expression for everything – because part of the math exist within a different dimension
Just as – the whole truth about aliens / interdimensional visitations / or angel and demons / ARCHON – lays within another dimension / heaven / realm of existence

1:49:50 – OUR EVENTUAL EVOLUTION – THE MERGING OF MAN AND AI
The goal of intelligence is to increase knowledge and intelligence – progress and innovation will only lead to mechanical / electronic data storage and retrieval – leading to Artificial Intelligence – leading to a merging between man and AI – to achieve the maximum knowledge and intelligence potential.

Joe Rogan – makes such an interesting (yester ra) comment / observation
Progress / Innovation leads to Materialism
The goal of intelligence is to make new and better stuff – always wanting new and better stuff = greed / lust / desire (yester ra)
Wars over land is all about recourses – so they can make new and better stuff – (yester ra)

1:52:00 – ANCIENT ALIEN SPACE GODs
Our level of science today – can reproduce some of the miracles of the past

Steven dick - “An alien race has always been a part of human reality since the beginning”
Steven dick - “When man meats up with ET – it will be an Alien AI/biological mix – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC”
Steven dick - Intelligence Principle - eventually man will encounter an Alien Race more advanced than us – an we will see them as deities / gods

To me – we are right back to the Fertile Crescent – when Space Alien gods dominated the known world

1:54:25 – Joe Rogan – makes a great comment
If you went back in time to a cave man and showed him the stress and anxiety of surviving in our modern techno age – the cave man would turn it down to stay in his paradise of nature

FYI - Lakota, Ojibwe and Other Indigenous Star Knowledge – Native American Legend / Myth
They are from the planet Venus – after destroying their world – they migrated here – rejecting technology and returned to life with nature

1:55:30 – EVIL
Both of them discuss – the depths of EVIL mankind can indulge in
At times – war / psychotic – the depths of barbaric savagery is unimaginable
Neither make a reference to the source of EVIL – only that it must exist

Joe Rogan – makes a brief comment about – evil is there so we appreciate the good
What a Jewish thought – ra exist so man can appreciate the tov
Ra (ignorance of the truth of God – Darkness) vrs Tov (The Light - that illuminates the truth of God)

WHY DOES EVIL EXIST – Judaism / Gnostic Christianity
(yester ra) = the God given INSTINCT (programming) – given to all BEAST – all biology – “Self-preservation and the survival of the species”

When a cow pushes your fence over and eats your garden – is the cow being evil – or just surviving
When a bacteria invades your body and cause you harm – is it being evil – or just surviving
After the fact – does the cow or bacteria have a guilty conscious? – NO – just surviving

Man is also gifted / commanded / programmed – to have dominion / subdue / and conquer

(yester tov) – is that part of man – his soul / spirit – that was once in heaven with God – who was given the commission of - Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
(yester tov) is the part of man that knows better – that constantly convicts us of our behavior

Rom 7:14 For we know that the Torah is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold to sin.
Rom 7:15 For I do not understand what I am doing—for what I do not want, this I practice; but what I hate, this I do.
Rom 7:16 But if I do what I do not want to do, then I agree with the Torah—that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I doing it, but sin dwelling in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me—that is, in my flesh. For to will is present in me, but to do the good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do; but the evil that I do not want, this I practice.
Rom 7:20 But if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I doing it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:21 So I find the principle—that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the Torah of God with respect to the inner man,
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my body parts, battling against the law of my mind and bringing me into bondage under the law of sin which is in my body parts.
Rom 7:24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God—it is through Messiah Yeshua our Lord!

Man = (yester ra) biology + (yester tov) spirit / soul
Man is also gifted / commanded / programmed – to have dominion / subdue / and conquer - more than the cow or the bacteria – Man needs no help from a satanic force to be evil toward another.
Man is gifted and given the Free Will to express himself for ra or for tov
Judaism / Gnostic Christianity - /man is the creature that can choose

Catholic satan vrs Gnostic Archon
Christendom – Catholicism – want to blame all the ra on a Fallen Angel named satan

This is neither a Jewish belief (the theology of Jesus and His disciples – therefore the Gospels – therefore the Book of Acts) nor a Gnostic Christianity belief – we believe in the “Serpent Race”

David Ike – ‘Just outside our fiels of vision are entities that are anything but human – who have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons … some people call them demonic, some call them the SERPENT RACE, Islam calls them the Jinn’

Gnostic Christianity – in first century Greek script call them – ARCHION

The1611 King James Translators called them - Principalities
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, (G746 - ἀρχή - archē - chief in various applications of order, time, place or rank: ARCHON)

The ARCHON were FIRST – Rev 12:3-4 appeared at the moment of creation = Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness (H2822 – חֹשֶׁךְ - chôshek - the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, was upon the face of the deep.

Gnostic Cosmology
God created the heavens(pl) – this is the first age of man and angels – with God (yester tov - knowledge of the truth)
God created – physical matter (earth) with it came IGNORANCE of the truth of God (yester ra- ignorance / Darkness)
Rev 12:5 / Gen 1:3 – God introduces the LIGHT that illuminates the truth (Christ) – followed by a separation

Christendom forgets – the ARCHON were first
The Serpent was already in the Garden with Eve
It was God that established the CONTEST of Gen 3:14-24
God placed the struggle between man and world –and- man and ARCHON (the Serpent’s Seed)

Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.

He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world

Why does life have to be so hard?

The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library
Now all these things came to pass by the will of the father of the entirety. …
But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained.

The Exegesis on the Soul - The Nag Hammadi Library
For the beginning of salvation is repentance. Therefore (cf. Acts 13:24), "Before Christ`s appearance came John, preaching the baptism of repentance."
And repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation. Therefore he said through the spirit to the prophet (cf. 1 Cl 8:3), "Say to the children of my people, 'If your sins extend from earth to heaven, and if they become red like scarlet and blacker than sackcloth, and if you return to me with all your soul and say to me 'my Father!', I will heed you as a holy people.'"

1:58:13 – CONCLUSION – HER OPINION
The UFO / Alien / Demonic / Inter-dimensional visitation (ARCHON)
1- there is an intelligence different then us – higher than us – from another dimension / heaven / realm
2- they have been with man since the beginning of history
3- they can communicate with man
4- they direct the narrative about them

2:00:00 – today there is an AWAKENING happening – a mass change in attitude and perception
Partly due to the increased spread of information via the internet
Partly from the mass reporting of so many UFO / Alien related incidents
Partly by the governments ‘DISCLOSUREMOVEMENT’ - - asking for input from a large data base

2:00:30 – Physical UFO evidence – does exist – is very real

2:01:30 – Inter-dimensional Visitors - do exist - can appear in our dimension / world – can transmute objects into this world – effect matter in our world

2:02:00 – Our government knows all about – all of it
Many government know all about it – but keep it a secret from the general population

2:02:10 – DONATIONS
Some speculate that UFO crashes are the result of electrical storms or forms of human interference – Some suggest that these crashed craft are DONATIONS to man – so that we can reverse engineer the technology
Joe Rogan – makes a big argument about the new technology that arrived after the Roswell Crash –His example = fiber Optics and military aircraft
Similar in theme with the Book of Enoch – The Watchers giving mankind technology – knowledge from the heavens – that was used for war
CARGO CULTS
WWI + WWII military cargo planes would land / crash on remove Islands to natives that never saw an airplane before – these planes left technology / medicine / and food behind
After the fact – these same natives prayed for the sky gods to return
Similar – to the Space Alien gods of suman and the4 known world at the time of Abram and the beginning of Israel’s story as God’s chosen people

2:03:25 – ETs ARE REAL
Yes – aliens – do visit our planet from other planets – the physical evidence is real
Gnostic Literature – suggest that the ARCHON / Nephilim were ejected from earth at the time of the Flood of Noah – to the 7 visible heavenly bodies
What are these 7 heavenly bodies? – unknown – speculation = The Moon, Mars, the Sun, Jupiter – maybe some planet named Nebiru?

2:04:50 – BOB LAZAR – anyone into UFOs and Aliens knows who this is – Area 51 Whistle Blower
FYI – the people in the know – believe him
Bob Lazar – was a useful idiot – someone crazy genius enough to be helpful – and cray weird enough to be allowed to talk and easily discredited – as just crazy

2:08:00 – QUESTION – HAS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY BEEN REENGINEERD BY THE GOVERNMENT?
No one will give an honest answer - Asked of Jacques Vallee – who avoided to answer

Jacques Vallee – if you don’t know who this is – you should
One of the earliest creators of the internet – part of the French Intelligence Agency - became France’s Project Blue book - one of the first truly scientific investors of the UFO /Alien phenomena
Books:
Anatomy of a Phenomenon: Unidentified Objects in Space – a Scientific Appraisal. NTC/Contemporary Publishing (January 1965). ISBN 0809298880.
Reissue: UFO's In Space: Anatomy of A Phenomenon (paperback). Ballantine Books (April 1987). ISBN 0345344375.
Challenge to Science: The UFO Enigma – with Janine Vallée (NTC/Contemporary Publishing, 1966)
(these bbks look at the UFO / Alien phenomena as biological visitors from other planets)
Jacques Vallée (1969), Passport to Magonia: from Folklore to Flying Saucers, Wikidata Q35273897
(with this book – his opinion changes to = inter-dimensional visitation – associated with religious groups / cults)
Jacques Vallée (1975), The Invisible College: What a Group of Scientists Has Discovered about UFO Influence on the Human Race, Wikidata Q2983594
The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects – Jacques Vallée and Dr. J. Allen Hynek (Quality Books, 1975)
Jacques Vallée (June 1979), Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults, Wikidata Q40014992
(I love this book – how a small message or idea can cause an eventual mass cultural movement in attitude – and how the Aliens actually direct our own perception of them – we see and know – what they want us to see and know)
Jacques Vallée (April 1988), Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact (in English and French), Wikidata Q40201814
Jacques Vallée (March 1990), Confrontations: A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact, Wikidata Q19422803
Jacques Vallée (September 1991), Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception, Wikidata Q40206753
UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union: A Cosmic Samizdat (Ballantine Books, 1992)

2:12:20 – Jacques Vallee = a respected scientist in every right – yet his personal library reads like the Vatican – many books on Angels and Fallen Angels
His quote – “Can’t have one without the other”

YES – there have always been two groups

Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of (bane elohiym) shouted for joy?

1Ki 22:19 …. I saw Adonai sitting on His throne, with all the hosts of heaven standing by Him on His right hand and on His left.

2:13:20 – the reference is made as to how – modern Ufology – with inter-dimensional visitations – equates with quantum physics
True science can do no other than to validate Romans 1:19-20

Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—

2:14:40 – WHY DISCLOSURE NOW?
Answer – China is going into space – and going to the moon
Until now – USA and Russia had a secrecy agreement – to hide what we found in space
We met an alien intelligence – that told us to stay silent – or else
Maybe promised technology – in exchange for permission to abduct and study humans
But – now China cannot be trusted to keep the secret

Dan 12:4  (as mankind approaches the end times) ... time of the end. Many will run back and forth and knowledge will increase.’ 

2:16:20 – her view of the future – horrible and hopeful
Mankind is facing a global economic downturn / collapse – war on any scale will just make it worse – 3rd world countries will be hardest hit – America will be faced with a decision: feed itself or the starving world
But – hopefully the coming MASS AWAKENING – of a larger reality change our priorities for the good?

[Dillon]

This is an Interesting video and your right about it having a lot of information, about a lot of things, if you listen. A new term that I learned is this idea of a ‘Consensus Reality.’ What we are told to believe as reality,’ just might be our real reality after all.

Beginning around 13 minutes into the video she begins to talk about the specific “Protocols” people use to access information from the outside. She talks about these physical protocols as things people learn to do, trained to do; a method to use your brain to access a different mental state to receive information from the outside. Protocols for living ruminant of the ancient Greeks like Plato and Socrates. The perfect union of mind and body; things like sunshine, sleep, exercise, sports, and staying away from people, like monks, because other people slow them down or take them off their game. A perfect union of mind and body to create emergent phenomena. Joe Rogan called it a flow state like a runner’s high, in tune with yourself, yet outside of yourself. They go on to discuss lucid dreaming and dream interpretation.

Have you heard of these protocols before and how it works. The Methodist have a method. Robert tried to teach us his method to increase faith? In fact, he just said hello:

Jul 24, 2024 15:42:05 GMT -5 rob said:

Greetings Dillon
you can tell Richard and Dave, I have received my confirmation, what faith is and how faith works in a supporter, and this is exactly how my website explains in in detail.

Second question, do you think her mystery guy is actually Robert Bigalow? He has 44 space patens, he is a millionaire or billionaire, holds a special place within our space force , and yet he is a big UFO researcher with the highest clearance.

My last comment is about her reference to the difference between obsession and discipline.

[Dave]

She begins to talk about the specific “Protocols” people use to access information from the outside. The perfect union of mind and body – like the attitude of the ancient Greeks like Plato and Socrates.

It is true that the Greeks admired the perfect human body – good health – good diet – clear mind – and the search for knowledge. This is always a full part of a shamans / medicine man / monk / and religious zealots – it is only common sense.
Ponder – how clear is you mind when you are focused upon your own health – or when your body is speaking mortality to you.

Accessing information from the outside
Accessing information from the Akashic Record – the mind of the universe itself – the record of everything that has ever been.

Many mediums make this claim – my favorite guy being Edgar Casey
By putting himself in a sleep / trance state – he could access information from this universal knowledge data bank.

This is not unlike New Age Yoga and Hinduism - trying to develop your seven chakras, or energy centers, that run from the base of the spine to the top of the head - or is it actually ancient Jewish Kabbalah
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Accessing information from the spirit realm
As a Christian – I fully believe in revelation
Which is just another way of saying receiving information directly from the spirit realm
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Just how many Judeo-Christian prophets claimed knowledge from God – knowledge from the spirit realm – knowledge from the outside?

As a Christian – I believe in communication with the Holy Spirit, Christ, or God – or his angels / messengers.
YES – as a Christian I fully believe in communication with the spirit realm!

As a Christian I also believe the deception

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and satanas, which deceiveth the whole world:

In Islam – Fortune tellers / sooth sayers / psychic mediums ‘…sometimes they speak about things that come true.” The Prophet said, “Those are the words snatched by the jinn, who whisper it into the ears of their friends, and it is mixed with more than one hundred lies.” (Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6213, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2228 - Daily Hadith Online, The Teachings of Prophet Muhammad - www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2014/01/29/soothsayers-jinn-mix-lies/)

YES – as a Christian I fully believe in communication with the spirit realm!
Ancient Alien Space Gods walked openly in front of ancient man. In India they flew around in their Vemainas and possibly engaged in nuclear war. In Egypt the mythology is built upon the star Sirius. The Annauki were from a planet named Nebiru.

During the Old Testament the gods became more recluse – appearing to fewer and fewer people over time – and all of them Hebrew shedim / Judeo-Christian demons – the SERPENT RACE – the ARCHON

Today the ARCHION are more subtile – and yet – we still have contact with some intelligence outside our view. UFOS – Alien – abduction stories – sightings – shadow governments – social influencing
YES – as a Christian I fully believe in communication with the spirit realm!

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (ARCHON) against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Today – in the age of the internet and social media and new term has coined – INFLUENCER
No one knows who this is – or even if it is a human or a bot –
but 2 or 3 screaming about the same social issue stimulate political movements of unrest
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Lucid dreaming and dream interpretation.
Daniel interpreted Nebuchadnezzar’s dream - therefore dreams and their interpretation does have a role in revelation – or a communication from the spirit realm

Not all dreams are relevant – but it would be wrong to declare all dreams are NOT relevant
People who have had a NDE (near death experience) – or even an Alien abduction - continue to dream about their experience – remembering what was – repeating what was
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The Methodist have a method.
Basically their method is to act like a Christian – read scripture – pray – serve -care for others – giving of yourself as a sacrifice
The more you live a Christian life – the easier it is to be a Christian in walk
Pray – dedicate – serve

Robert tried to teach us his method to increase faith?
Robert was looking for a magical shortcut – he spoke of rituals – special prayers to repeat – things to do to gain reward.

Your first clue – scripture says very clearly – belief is all that is required to be saved to eternal life
Robert demands that scripture is error – belief is not the answer according to Robert – the answer lies with the ritual things he does. He has decided that the Hebrew word for FAITH = SUPPORT. If you support Jesus Christ by doing this and that – then Jesus will save you

It is a method of earning your way to heaven
Robert also taught that you can be a good SUPPORTING Christian all your life – but before you die you sin and it all lost – you have lost your salvation.

Most Christian teaches – believe and your saved – and are always saved
Then if you believe – your behavior changes as you begin to SUPPORT the truth by your life
I am saved – I am being saved –and I will be saved

Your second clue is that Robert is a NOT a Judeo-Christian.
According to him and his prophet Ellen White – the Jews are done and have been replaced by the church.
There is nothing Jewish about his religion – and there is nothing correct about Rabbinic teaching
His religion is 100% Catholic Christendom in theology as are all Protestants – and his go to source for correct information is straight from the Catholic Profession of Faith – Fallen Angels have taken God creation out of God control and to blame for all the bad in the world.

Robert does not believe in the absoluteness of God – his god is Not all powerful, some Catholic angel named satan changed all God’s creation against God’s Will – corrupted God’s perfect creation.

Robert does not believe in the absoluteness of God – his god is Not all all knowing
Catholic satan rose up against the Creator against God’s Will – fighting God for control of the universe

Robert does not believe in the absoluteness of God – his god is Not everywhere
Robert denies the spirit – no such thing as spirit – spirit for him is a Jewish myth
Therefore Robert really denies the Baptism of the Spirit – Promised by Jesus Christ Himself

And I see he logged on to tell you that he was right all the time – his web-site dedicated to the Catholic god of evil – he can be as right as any Hindu or Muslim or Daoist or Confusionist – or Zoroastrian – or

Jesus Christ was a Jew – His Disciples were Jewish – His Followers were Jewish – the very first Christian at Pentecost were all Jews at the Temple - the original followers of Jesus Christ filled the Book of Acts as Pentecostal Messianic Jews - laying on their hands and preaching the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
Faith in something other than the truth of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is just error – is just spiritual suicide – and to preach it to others comes with even a higher penalty
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do you think her mystery guy is actually Robert Bigalow?
Interesting idea – he does fit the bill – but he might just be too Old Guard for today.
He own and investigated Skin Walker Ranch before it became famous – his inflatable habitat is attached to the International Space Station – and for years the rumors of Men in Black – turned out to be Robert Bigalow’s men – NOT government agents.

Are Robert Bigalow’s space based patens actually reengineered Alien technology?
If you are familiar with skin walker ranch – when Robert Bigalow was there – the Mesa had a mine shaft
Now after he sold the ranch – that area is a big pile of rocks – as if the mine shaft was demolished by an explosion. Did he find something – and then move on in obscurity?

Let’s return to the idea of a SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCER
Mix in a little leaked UFO information - and add some material DONATIONS for Aliens in the way of “crashed” UFOs – then some successful reengineering – and the computer chip is born – fiber optics – next thing you know we are landing on the Moon – only to meet the ARCHON and be told not to return and keep their presence a secrete.

Many believe America made an agreement for technology in exchange for permission to experiment on the American population – why do abductions only happen in militarily strong nations?

[Dave]

Rev 16:13 (TLV) … three unclean spirits like frogs.
Rev 16:13 (YLT) … three unclean spirits like frogs

Rev 16:13 (KJV) And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Jul 24, 2024 12:23:43 GMT -5 Dave said:

video -
Joe Rogan Experience #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka
2:17:40 min

1:42:15 – WHO KNOWS THE MOST
Her opinion =
(wiki) Steven J. Dick (born October 24, 1949, Evansville, Indiana) is an American astronomer, author, and historian of science most noted for his work in the field of astrobiology. Dick served as the chief historian for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) from 2003 to 2009[1] and as the Baruch S. Blumberg NASA/Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology from 2013 to 2014.[2] Before that, he was an astronomer and historian of science at the United States Naval Observatory in Washington, DC, from 1979 to 2003.

1:44:15 – His quote - “An alien race has always been a part of human reality since the beginning”
His terminology for this alien race – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC

1:44:18 - Intelligence Principle
(wiki) The intelligence principle is a hypothetical idea of Dick's in the field of cultural evolution. Outlined in his 2003 paper "Cultural Evolution, the Postbiological Universe and SETI", the intelligence principle describes a potential binding tendency among all intelligent societies, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial:
The maintenance, improvement and perpetuation of knowledge and intelligence is the central driving force of cultural evolution, and that to the extent intelligence can be improved, it will

The goal of intelligence is to increase knowledge and intelligence – progress and innovation will only lead to mechanical / electronic data storage and retrieval – leading to Artificial Intelligence – leading to a merging between man and AI – to achieve the maximum knowledge and intelligence potential. …

1:49:50 – OUR EVENTUAL EVOLUTION – THE MERGING OF MAN AND AI
The goal of intelligence is to increase knowledge and intelligence – progress and innovation will only lead to mechanical / electronic data storage and retrieval – leading to Artificial Intelligence – leading to a merging between man and AI – to achieve the maximum knowledge and intelligence potential. …

His quote – “When man meats up with ET – it will be an Alien AI/biological mix – ASTRO-BIOLOGIC”

Alien Greys
Many argue that the Alien Greys are a type of biological robot / cyborg / something artificially created to withstand the rigors of space travel – and function to gather data
1- space has proven itself hazardous to humans
Radiation and weightlessness – over time – cause negative changes to the human body
Radiation and weightlessness cause harmful bacteria to grow and morph
Perhaps the Alien Greys are engineered biological / AI creatures to withstand space
2- long distant space travel for humans – at the moment – depend on some type of hibernation seep or cryogenic freezing
3- Every story about ancient alien space gods or even the current Alien/UFO phenomena involve DNA manipulation – cloning – chimeras – demi gods – Centaurs – Minotaurs – Satyrs – Mermaids and Medusas
Perhaps the Alien Greys are engineered biological / AI creatures that can shut down – energy saver mode

Alien Nordics
They look very much like humans – taller – stronger – albino or white haired
They are from the constellation Pleiades (i.e., Pleiadians)
FYI - Mormon god Jehovah lives on a planet in the constellation Pleiades


Alien Reptilians
1 - FD-WEDT – before the Flood of Noah – dinosaurs and man co-existed on earth
The argument is that they co-existed – just not in the same location – just as I co-exist with elephants, yet have never encountered one in the wilds of America
2 - Every story about ancient alien space gods or even the current Alien/UFO phenomena involve DNA manipulation – cloning –
chimeras – a blending / mixing of two or more species – i.e. a Griffin
demi gods – ARCHON/Jinn/Demon/other god + man
Centaurs – Horse + man
Minotaurs – Bull + man
Satyrs – Goats + man
Mermaids – Fish + man
and Medusas – snakes (reptile) + man
3 – The Age of the Dinosaur lasted 300 million years – compared to man’s 6000 Biblical years
Before the Flood of Noah – man / dino / and archon (bane elohiym) all lived together on earth
4- At the time of the Flood – or even at the time of Gen 6:1-4 – the end of the Age of the Dinosaur
Reptiles were the dominate non-human species upon earth
Why wouldn’t there be an ARCHON + reptile chimera?
Why wouldn’t there be an ARCHON + reptile demi-god?

[Dave]

ALIENS – ALIEN RELIGION – One World Government – and ISLAM
Will Aliens – with their technology – become the NEW Replacement One World Religion? – NO
Will earth revert to the time of Abram – when space alien gods dominated earth? – NO

Abraham was set apart –– the Torah was given and Israel was set apart - <1% of the world’s population was set against the >99% and the alien space gods that dominate them
The final battel will be between Israel and all of its Islamic neighbors – it is written / prophesized

UFOs and Aliens in the West / Judeo-Christian
Only serve to fuel a non-Judeo-Christian religion
Only serve to create a Judeo-Christian apathy
The messaging I heard growing up said if life exist on other planets – theologians would have to admit their religion is error or myth

1Ti 4:1 And the Spirit expressly speaketh, that in latter times shall certain fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, (ARCHON)

But the Gnostic truth = little green men and space aliens absolutely validate the ARCHON reality – and Judeo-Christian scripture –
1 - just outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human that have been manipulation humanity from the outside since the beginning
2- these beings can hide from us – or appear in physical form
3 – these beings can impact / manipulate our physical world – impact nature
4 – the OT is fact and literarily correct when speaking of ‘other gods’ and their demons
5- all those stories of Alien space gods are factual – Egypt – Sumar – Canaan – India - were real
6 – every version of the story – involves DNA manipulation – hybrids
7 – the story of American astronauts meeting the ARCHON on the Moon – and told not to return – real

Jul 24, 2024 12:23:43 GMT -5 Dave said:

Joe Rogan Experienhttps: #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka
2:14:40 – WHY DISCLOSURE NOW?
Answer – China is going into space – and going to the moon
Until now – USA and Russia had a secrecy agreement – to hide what we found in space
We met an alien intelligence – that told us to stay silent – or else
Maybe promised technology – in exchange for permission to abduct and study humans
But – now China cannot be trusted to keep the secret

OR – China cannot be trusted to use the new information against America or Russia
China did just sign a 25 year Military Alliance with Persia in exchange for oil

UFOs and Aliens in the East /Islam
Islamic Prophet Mohammed – never declared the ‘other gods’ of Canaan to be false
Islamic Prophet Mohammed – declared that Allah was the supreme leader of them all


The ARROGANT WEST always pictures first alien contact to be on the White House Lawn
The coming ARCHON INVASION may actually come through Persia and Islam

Rev 13:11  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 
Rev 13:12  And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 
Rev 13:13  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 
Rev 13:14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;

[Filina]

If you promote ancient space gods and modern aliens as real, you are promoting a belief. Our priest told us never to study the occult, UFOs are just American fake news, and there are no other gods. There is only God.



What is Christian about your Gnostic Christianity?

[Dave]

Filina – interesting name – the same as my Mother-in-Law, also from Mindanao

What is Christian about your Gnostic Christianity?

- the term “Gnostic” is of my own creation
I did not want to be known as a Presbyterian / Catholic / Baptist / Mormon / Amish / or Jewish – but as I interact with bible Study groups – eventually I am asked to declare allegiance – as if “Christian” wasn’t enough by itself
As soon as you say (pick a name) immediately it comes with all the baggage – everyone assumes your theology because all Catholics believe ABC / all Lutherans believe EFG / and all Baptist believe XYZ

Although I began my life with a Presbyterian church
I do not fit the within any declared Christendom denomination
I am also only 12% Jewish from (the Steps – i.e. not Sephardic)

If I could honestly claim the birthright or the heritage, I would be a Messianic Jew
Instead – I am a student of Judaism and its contribution to Christianity

Jesus Chirst is the Jewish Messiah
His theology was Jewish – all his disciples were Jewish – the original Christians from the Book of Acts were primarily Jewish with Jewish theology – all of the Christians at the very first Pentecost were Jews attending the Jewish Temple.

This period in history – between Jesus Christ and the formation of the Roman Catholic Church - is known as the time of Gnostic literature. The Nag Hammadi Library discovered in 1945 if filled with literature from these First Christians – it reads very Jewish and promotes Jewish theology – yet the religious authority of 1945 labeled them as the Gnostic Gospels.

Within these Gnostic writings there are two basic groups – just as there are two basic types of Jews
The Pharisees believe in the spirit and the afterlife and gave rise to modern Hasidic Judaism
Gen 6:1-4 is a spiritual event – King Solomon did encounter and record the shedim
In this theme – there are 11 text within the Nag Hammadi Library from – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas and 3 commentaries consistent with their teaching – even quoting Ephesians 6:12

The Sadducees doubt the spirit and afterlife – very LAW based – gave rise to modern Talmudic Jews
The Nag Hammadi also contains literature from this group termed the Sethians
Gen 6:1-4 is about the sons of Seth – not spiritual and zero comment about demonology

If you promote ancient space gods and modern aliens as real, you are promoting a belief.

YES ABSOLUTELY – the belief already exist
The amount of evidence about the Egyptian gods / Hindu gods / and Gods of Samaria is overwhelming
The evidence of ancient technology is obvious
YES – it was / is all real – Aliens (not of this world) – landed / appeared to man and acted like gods

Point –
1- of these ancient stories were “HISTORIES” of various peoples – until Catholicism took over the role as knowledge authority and declared it all myth
2- Even the famous city of Troy was mythical – until Schliemann discovered it in 1883
3- over time – more and more ancient ‘myths’ have been uncovered as based on actual events
there are no other gods. There is only God.

This all depends on how you wish to define the word god
Augustus Caesar – Emperor Ito of Japan – were only men – yet worshiped as gods by their following
The OT is filled with 33 other gods – Baal / Dogon / Beelzebub / Chermosh / Molech – they were demons

Deu 32:17 (TLV - This is a Hebrew translation for Messianic Jews) They sacrificed to demons, a non-god, gods they had not known—to new ones who came in lately, ones your fathers had not dreaded.

The other gods of the OT are – demons / shedim / Jinn / Archon / Principalities – non-God gods
YES – the other gods of the OT were/are very real – validated by scripture
They are not myth / or imaginary – they are demons

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods (non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / archon gods) before me. …
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Scripture 100% validates the reality of non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / Archon gods

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / Archon gods), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Our priest told us never to study the occult,

Rev 12:9 … the great dragon … that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:

As a Gnostic Christian – if find the call to be ignorant – just the work of deception
Religious knowledge authority “Rome” has long edited what it to be known and what is to be hidden

The Roman Index is a very real Roman Catholic document listing all the literature YOUI ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ begun as early as 90AD
In addition – all Jewish theology about the reality of demons was mystified and replaced with roman Catholic Fallen Angel satan who single handedly changed God’s creation against God’s Will

Surprise – the Nag Hammadi came from the First Christians who were Jewish and Jewish heritage
Their theology is Messianic Jewish and their demonology is very OT King Solomon – the shedim act as other non-God gods – imposters – false gods

Our priest told us never to study the occult,

Scripture absolutely validate the occult as real – but we are warned not to engage in it

Leviticus 19:31 “Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 20:27 “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be ystoned with stones; ztheir blood shall be upon them.”

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you anyone xwho burns his son or his daughter as an offering,1 anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or cone who inquires of the dead,

Our priest told us never to study the occult,

We as Christians are taught that we are in a SPIRITUAL WAREFARE
Every military commander throughout history has been schooled in the ‘Art of War’ and praise Sun Tzu for saying – ‘know your enemy‘

ONLY WITHIN CHRISTENDOM is the call for ignorance of our real struggle (Eph 6:12)
As a Gnostic Christian – if find the call to be ignorant – just the work of deception
I question why - Religious knowledge authority “Rome” - mystified and replaced all Jewish theology about the reality of demons with Roman Catholic Fallen Angel satan who single handedly changed God’s creation against God’s Will

UFOs are just American fake news,

A lot of it is fake news
The best way to hide the truth – is to disguise it within a lie
Some of it is deliberate government planted miss-information
Some of it are crazies that want their 15 minutes of fame
2- but that small part that is real is really real
And I believe that the movement toward governmental disclosure is just preparatory for to misdirect future SCRIPTURAL PROPHIES as just alien visitation

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

The coming Rapture could be presented as a mass alien abduction event and therefore a call to arms

What is Christian about your Gnostic Christianity?

Jewish Belief #1 – God is absolute – this is His creation and it is exactly as God created it (Rom 1:19-20)
Jewish Belief #2 – God test his people
This included the CONTEST established by God in Gen 3:14-24
The Serpent Race is just as involved as man
The struggle is between man and the world – and between man and the serpent – and between the serpent’s seed and the humanity

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / Archon gods), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities (non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / Archon gods), or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

There is no such thing as Catholic Fallen Angels – this is a replacement theology to remove Catholicism from Judaism

Truth – the principalities (non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / Archon gods)
Who are our real struggle – Gen 3:14-24
Were created by God for God – Col 1:16

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library – 1st or 2nd century Gnostic Commentary
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.

He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.

And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world

What is Christian about your Gnostic Christianity?

Chabad Jewish belief – we were all created as spirit – part of the host of heaven – created on Day 1
Jewish Kabbalah call our original spirit selves as the Perfect Race of Adam
Gnostic literature state it the same but as the race of Admus (Perfect man)

Chabad Jewish belief – we pre-existed out mortal birth and came from a place called the ‘Well of Souls’
Chabad Jewish belief – God knew us before out birth and gave us our commission / mission / our purpose

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Chabad Jewish belief - from God we came – to souljhourn here (with the mission of Jer 1:5) – then to return to God upon our mortal death for judgment

A Jewish belief that is 100: NT Christian - The Parable of the Prodigal Son
Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

What is Christian about your Gnostic Christianity?

Judaism always believed in a Trinity – but describe it as a duality
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1- God – male – the Father – sitting on His throne 24/7
2- God –Shekinah - Christian Holy Spirit - the female aspect of God that moves amoung the people – tends the children of God
3- and the presence of God dwelling within the Holies of Holies of the inner chamber of the Temple – made of skins – then made of stone – then remade in stone

Christian Trinity
1- God – male – the Father – sitting on His throne 24/7
2- God –Shekinah - Christian Holy Spirit - the female aspect of God that moves among the people –

3- and the presence of God dwelling within the Temple – we know as Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God
Only once has God come to earth as the biology of a man – Jesus Christ
All men = (yester ra) biology + (yester tov) spirit
The Messiah = (yester ra) biology - Jesus + (yester tov) spirit – Christ = Jesus Christ

Upon the Cross biological Jesus – the Son of Man – died upon the Cross
But the SPIRIT – CHRIST – was poured out – released – let go – set free – to go and preach to the dead

1Pe 3:18 For Christ … being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Pe 3:18 For Messiah … He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Ruach (Spirit).
1Pe 3:19 Through the Ruach (Spirit) He also went and preached to the spirits in prison.

YES – every sermon about the death on the Cross – the Blood – the sacrifice – the Lamb to the slaughter – is absolutely relevant to the Hebrew culture of the OT
BUT – the Gospel is all about the RESSURECTION!
The resurrection proves beyond any doubt - Life lives as the Jews say – mortal death is not the end – our spirits continue on – and judgment is real

Gnostic Christianity based upon VALENTINUS teaches there are three types of Christians
1- the Lost
2- believers – saved – because belief is all that is required
3- the SPIRITUAL – all First Century New Christians were – PENTECOSTAL MESSANIC JEWS
Jesus Christ promised the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – Spirit to spirit

In the OT they were called Prophets – visions – conversations – instruction straight from God – First Fruits
In the NT they are called Born Again Christians – Baptized by the Holy Spirit – called – gifted - First Fruits

What is Jewish about my Gnostic Christianity?

(yester ra) – The commandment by /god upon all biology – go forth be fruitful and multiply
This is programmed into all biology as – self-preservation and the survival of the species

This in itself is not evil – it is survival in a physical world
If a cow smashes your fence down to eat your garden, is his intent to be evil? – NO
If a bacteria enter your body and causes you harm, is its intent to be evil? - NO
They are both just surviving and neither of them regret or have a guilty conscious after the fact

Man – is also commanded by God to go forth be fruitful and multiply
+ man is also commanded to subdue / conquer / and dominate

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

(yester ra) – is not a commandment to be evil – it is the commandment to grow and progress
Want and desire – need to improve – need to dominate – control our surroundings

Jul 24, 2024 11:23:43 GMT -6 Dave said:
Joe Rogan Experienhttps: #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka

1:49:50 – OUR EVENTUAL EVOLUTION – THE MERGING OF MAN AND AI
The goal of intelligence is to increase knowledge and intelligence – progress and innovation will only lead to mechanical / electronic data storage and retrieval – leading to Artificial Intelligence – leading to a merging between man and AI – to achieve the maximum knowledge and intelligence potential.

Joe Rogan – makes such an interesting (yester ra) comment / observation
Progress / Innovation leads to Materialism
The goal of intelligence is to make new and better stuff – always wanting new and better stuff = greed / lust / desire (yester ra)
Wars over land is all about recourses – so they can make new and better stuff – (yester ra)

(yester ra) – is not a commandment to be evil – it is the commandment to grow and progress
Want and desire – need to improve – need to dominate – need to reproduce – desire to control our surroundings

(yester ra) – is not evil in itself – but (yester ra – want / lust / desire) does lead to sin

Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire (lust).
Jas 1:15 Then when desire (lust) has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is full grown, it brings forth death.

(yester ra) - all men are biological animals with the same God programmed instinct for self-preservation and the survival of the species + the desire to grow and progress

Gen 2:7 Then Adonai Elohim formed the man out of the dust from the ground and He breathed into his nostrils a breath of life—so the man became a living being.

(yester tov) – our spirit – our soul – pre-existing our mortal birth – walking with God before our mortal birth – the part of man that knows better – the part of man that is convicted by guilt and regret – the part of us that makes man different and unique from all the other animals

Man = (yester ra) biology + (yester tov) spirit – that knows the truth of God

Christian (yester ra) vrs (yester tov) inner struggle
Rom 7:14 For we know that the Torah is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold to sin.
Rom 7:15 For I do not understand what I am doing—for what I do not want, this I practice; but what I hate, this I do.
Rom 7:16 But if I do what I do not want to do, then I agree with the Torah—that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I doing it, but sin dwelling in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me—that is, in my flesh. For to will is present in me, but to do the good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do; but the evil that I do not want, this I practice.
Rom 7:20 But if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I doing it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:21 So I find the principle—that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the Torah of God with respect to the inner man,
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my body parts, battling against the law of my mind and bringing me into bondage under the law of sin which is in my body parts.
Rom 7:24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God—it is through Messiah Yeshua our Lord! …

Jewish (yester ra) vrs (yester tov) inner struggle
God is with us before our conception – God teaches us the Torah while with us in the womb
Once born into the world – God is still with us – and why the face of a baby is the face of God
But – around 90 days or so – the body begins to express its needs – feed me – change me – burp me – hold me – rock me – (yester ra- selfish ME) – and God leaves us in the world
As we grow as an dominating animal – and grow in sin – we are to be taught / guided to the truth of God
We are to remember God – and remember our assignment here – to witness to all the world
Then only to die a mortal death and our spirit returns to God for judgment

The Prodigal Son – leaves home and enters the world – only to recognize the world for what it is – and turn to God – serve God – be a witness – until we return to the Father

What is Jewish about my Gnostic Christianity?

Judgment within the Nag Hammadi texts is very Jewish = Proportional Punishment
All Jews are saved by birthright and promise – yet not all Jews are good Jews
Many Jews think that the more MITZVAHs they do (pleasing things to the Lord) it will balance out the sin in their lives – like a score card – Mitzvahs vrs Sin – everyone has a different score

Upon death – Jews either receive a Divine Pardon – as Joshua did in Zech 3
OR – they must undergo a period of Proportional Punishment
Each man is cleaned by fire – purified – washed clean

This period in Jewish tradition = 12 month
The first seven days are the hardest for the deceased - so the family sits Shiva for seven days – praying for the deceased to help them in Jewish Purgatory
Then the family says a prayer for the dead call the Kadish for 11 months
They deliberately stop at 11 months – because they deceased loved one could be bad enough to need the whole 12 months

It is taught as –
you wake up in heaven – and your shame caused you such embarrassment that it feels like hell – until it wears off
you wake up in heaven – with the stains of sin – that must be washed clean
you wake up in heaven – stinking of sin - that wears off over time

NT Judgment

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may receive what is due for the things he did while in the body—whether good or bad.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead—the great and the small—standing before the throne. The books were opened, and another book was opened—the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what was written in the books, according to their (works) deeds.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Sheol gave up the dead in them. Then they were each judged, each one of them, according to their (works) deeds.

NT – believers are granted a Divine Pardon – salvation through Jesus Christ
These are the First Fruits – there around the throne of God – before the First Resurrection

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and people sat upon them—those to whom authority to judge was given. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Yeshua and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, nor had they received his mark on their forehead or on their hand. And they came to life and reigned with the Messiah for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

There are three types of Christians
1- the lost
2- believers – saved – yet judged – works, deeds, and fruit – proportional
Raised at the First Resurrection
3- spiritual – first fruits -  Divine Pardon
Around the throne before the First Resurrection

[Filina]

How can you say “There is no such thing as Fallen Angels“and claim to be a Christian?

Why don’t you believe in Satan?



How can you say a believer is saved but also is punished?

[Dave]

How can you … claim to be a Christian?

I believe that the Creator of the All – chose Abraham to deliver the Torah to man – through God’s chosen people – to prepare the way for the Jewish Messiah – we know as Jesus Christ

We are made in the image of God – Christ pre-existed His mortal Birth
He came to earth to (Jer 1:5 – witness to all the nations) – upon His mortal death, His body died but his Spirit continued to witness somewhere else.

The Point of the Gospel is not the Cross / death / sacrifice / blood / lamb – although it is all necessary to fulfill the OT
The Point of the Gospel is that LIFE LIVES after mortal death – there is a real and viable afterlife that we will all enter

Each of us is given an opportunity at mortal life – life in this world – with an assignment / a mission
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

We will all meet our maker someday –
To receive a Divine Pardon – or - be judged – works, deeds, and fruit
The bases of that Judgment is not the Law – but how well we did our assignment – how well we witnessed to the world.
What works we did for the movement
What deeds did we do to be the hands of God on earth
What fruit did we generate – who did we save – most often we don’t even know

This has more to do with our LIFE SONG – the impact we made in our community
Regardless if we are “RELIGIOUS” – or educated – and more about being genuine

How can you say a believer is saved but also is punished?

Genuine in your belief toward God
Genuine in your belief in God
Genuine in your belief and walk with God
Genuine in your belief and relationship with God

Christianity does in fact teach different levels of heaven
Some will reap rewards in heaven (1 Cor 3:10-15 / Mat 5:12 / )
2Ch 15:7 Be ye strong therefore, and let not your hands be weak: for your work shall be rewarded.

Some are considered SAINTEs - Eph 1:15-16 / Rev 5:8
Some are there sitting around the throne 1000 years before the First Resurrection

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Ponder the Roman Catholic tradition of Saint Peter standing at the Pearly Gates of Heaven allowing in only the worthy. Then variations on the theme – some having to wait their turn – other cutting into line because they are special – Catholic Mythology – right?



Asclepius 21-29 - The Nag Hammadi Library
"Listen, Asclepius! There is a great demon. The great God has appointed him to be overseer or judge over the souls of men. And God has placed him in the middle of the air, between earth and heaven. Now when the soul comes forth from (the) body, it is necessary that it meet this daimon. Immediately, he (the daimon) will surround this one (masc.), and he will examine him in regard to the character that he has developed in his life. And if he finds that he piously performed all of his actions for which he came into the world, this (daimon) will allow him ... (1 line missing) ... turn him [...]. But if he sees [...] in this one [...] he brought his life into evil deeds, he grasps him, as he flees upward, and throws him down, so that he is suspended between heaven and earth, and is punished with a great punishment. And he will be deprived of his hope, and will be in great pain.

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Joshua enters heaven and is judged
Hebrew satan is there to accuse Joshua of all his sin – keeping sinners out of heaven - Heaven’s Prosecutor
But – the judge – God – gave Joshua a Divine Pardon – telling the prosecutor to stand down

How can you say “There is no such thing as Fallen Angels“…?

Easy – Jesus Christ was a Jew – His disciples were Jewish – His followers were Jewish – all the First Christians at Pentecost were Jews attending Temple – their theology was Jewish

Jewish theology has no “Fallen Angels”
Everything was created for a purpose – cows are cows – ants are ants – and angels are angels
No cow ever became a pig – no ant ever became a bird – and no angel ever changed his role within God’s creation

The idea that God lost control of His own creation is ridicules
The Idea that an angel changed God’s creation against God’s Will is ridicules
What does it mean “Fallen Angels” – How can anything FALL from God – from God’s grace
The idea is ridicules - it only weakens God position and empowers an angel as the god of evil
Catholic satan is supposed to be the god of evil and ruler of a kingdom know as hell
Jesus Christ was a Jew – His disciples were Jewish – His followers were Jewish – all the First Christians at Pentecost were Jews attending Temple – their theology was Jewish

None of the early “Gnostic” Christians ever heard of the idea of a Fallen Angel named satan
Their writing are very much duplicate of ancient King Solomon and his shedim
This theology includes – the other gods of Canaan
This theology includes – the shedim that inhabited Canaan / Arabia / Persian
First Century Pentecostal Messianic Jews/Christians wrote about this same group – called them ARCHON in first century Greek

“There is no such thing as Fallen Angels”
No being created as an angel changed his assigned role within creation
Everything was created for a purpose

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Jewish belief #1 – God is absolute – creation is exactly as God designed – to be rediscovered by man as proof of the Creator (Psa 19:2 - Rom 1:19-20)
Jewish belief #2 – God test His people

Frogs / gnats / flies / livestock / hail / and locus are not evil – they just live by (yester ra)
But God used all of them as plagues upon Egypt

God created the ARCHON / Principalities / demons / Jinn / SERPENT RACE
God used the serpent in the Garden
God used the serpent and the serpent’s seed in the God established struggle of Gen 3:14-24

Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.

He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.

And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world

“There is no such thing as Fallen Angels” - this is a replacement theology to remove Catholicism from Judaism

Synod of Laodicea - Canon 29
www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Machiavellianism – the idea that to rally the people around a common cause you must have a common enemy
“There is no such thing as Fallen Angels” - this is a replacement theology to remove Catholicism from Judaism – and a tool to rally the people around the Catholic Church. Satan and sin is everywhere so the people have a FORCED dependency upon a priest and the church.

Why don’t you believe in Satan?

This all depends on how you wish to define the word satan - there are two within scripture

Hebrew satan (H7854 / G4566 – from Hebrew origin) is any angle of the Lord used to facilitate God’s Will
Hebrew satan is heaven’s prosecutor accusing man of his sin

NT satan is G4567 satanas – from Chaldean origin
What is shayṭān in arab? - shaitan, in Islāmic myth, an unbelieving class of jinn (“spirits”); it is also the name of Iblīs, the devil, when he is performing demonic acts
AKA - al-Shayṭān (“Demon”)
AKA - 2nd Book of Enoch (Slavonic Enoch) the WATCHERS of Gen 6:1-4 are lead by Satanail
AKA - Satanael is a name for the devil that appears in Jewish writings from the centuries before the New Testament. Satanael is described as the prince of the Grigori, or Watchers, who was cast out of heaven and is an evil spirit who understands the difference between good and evil. In the Slavonic apocalypse, Satanail is the leader of the fallen Watchers (https://www.marquette.edu › maqom › watch55)

Deu 32:17 (TLV - This is a Hebrew translation for Messianic Jews) They sacrificed to demons, a non-god, gods they had not known—to new ones who came in lately, ones your fathers had not dreaded.

The other gods of the OT are – demons / shedim / Jinn / Archon / Principalities – non-God gods
YES – the other gods of the OT were/are very real – validated by scripture
They are not myth / or imaginary – they are demons

Circa 632 AD Mohammond declared that Allah was the supreme leader of all the other gods



Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods (non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / archon gods) before me. …
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Scripture 100% validates the reality of non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / Archon gods

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (non-God gods / demon gods / shedim gods / Archon gods), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Rev 12:9 … the great dragon … that old serpent, called the Devil, and satanas G4567, which deceiveth the whole world:

Yes – the BEAST of Revelation is very real
Yes – the serpent race is very real
Yes – the ARCHON are very real

And every each and one of them is an oppose / accuser of man
Therefore every each and one of them is a G4567 NT satanas

[Filina]

And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear,

Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?

[Dave]

And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear,


Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?

Hmmmmmmm ……. YES

Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – creation is exactly as God created it – to be rediscovered by man as proof of an Intelligent Design – therefore an Intelligent Designer –

Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork.
Psa 19:3 Day to day they speak, night to night they reveal knowledge.

Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—

Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – creation is exactly as God created it
If an obstacle is placed in their way – it was placed there by God to overcome
If there is pain and suffering in your life – it is there to reveal God in some way
Remember – Jews are God chosen people – and therefore hated by the world – from ancient Egypt to the modern Islamic world / Palestine today

Joh 15:18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated Me before you.
Joh 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own. But you are not of the world, since I have chosen you out of the world; therefore the world hates you.

Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?

Remember this – God made two different realities
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The invisible incorruptible spiritual reality and the visible corruptible physical reality
1st Law of Thermodynamics – Energy cannot be created or destroyed – only translated or transmuted – E-mc2

God created the heavens … the Host of heaven – angels – man
God created … the earth. – physical reality - with it came NATURE
2nd Law of Thermodynamics – entropy demands that all things will wind down and stop

Do plants have a NATURE – they only want to survive – grow – and make seed
Yet plants drive their roots into cracks in rocks and cause even more erosion
Is the plant deliberately being evil – or just surviving

Animals do have a God given NATURE – they are ordered by God to go forth be fruitful and multiply – this is the instinctive drive within all biology for self-preservation and the survival of the species

When a bacteria enters your body and causes you harm / pain – is it deliberately being evil – NO
it is just surviving – growing – and reproducing

When a shark / lion / wolf eats the slowest and weakest – is it deliberately being evil – NO
it is just surviving – growing – and reproducing

Think of NATURE at its worst – earthquakes – volcanoes – meteor storms – the food chain and the age of the dinosaur – all before man

NATURE is not evil – BUT – the CYCLE OF LIFE – dominated NATURE for 5 Days of creation before man

At each step along the food chain – someone is a victim and someone else is blessed with nourishment
NATURE / entropy is unforgiving and very harsh – and the lesson of nature = THE CYCLE OF LIFE

From birth – we grow – to maturity – die a mortal death – to give new life
Rosh Hannah – from the beginning / birth
Yom Kippur – as I mature we ask ourselves – ‘Do I need to atone?’
Sukkot – God does tabernacle with man – in a tent – in a Temple – as a man
Pirum – Salvation is only by the Creator
Peasch – Passover
Shavout – the Harvest – Pentecost
Sabbath – Rest

The Jews danced / paraded these seven holidays / this message to the world for 2000 years before Christ

Even in the cultures of the Native American Indians – prayers for the hunted – that gave their lives so man could eat to live – grow – and make seed

Remember this – God made two different realities
The Spiritual and the Physical

Joh 3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1Co 15:44 … If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

The first man = adam (small a = meaning man) – just biological – driven by NATURE
The second man = Adam – a Proper Name

Adam = NATURE / biology (yester ra) + (yester tov) soul / spirit

1Co 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
1Co 15:48 Like the one made of dust, so also are those made of dust; and like the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made from dust, so also shall we bear the image of the One from heaven.
1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last shofar. For the shofar will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruptibility , and this mortal must put on immortality.

Man = NATURE / biology (yester ra) + (yester tov) soul / spirit
(yester ra) our instinctive need for self-preservation and the survival of the species
(yester tov) that part of us that is spiritual – that knows better because its that part of us that know God

1 Corinthians 15:48-49 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?

Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute - creation is exactly as God created it – God is Omnipotent
Jewish / Christian belief – God is all Knowing – Omniscient
Man = (yester ra) biology + (yester tov) soul

Harsh and unforgiving Nature had already been established for 6 Days of creation
God knew the NATURE of man – God understood Human Nature
God placed Eve, the serpent, and the fruit together in the Garden –
Of course HE KNEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN

You can say God allowed it to happen - WHY

Chabad Jewish Answer
Eve knew he mission / assignment of Jer 1:5 to witness to the whole world
Even knew that she could not do her job – in the paradise of Eden
So she deliberately chose – to step into the lower world – to witness to it
Adam had a chance to stay behind with God – but chose to follow his wife
It was a love story – the love to serve the Lord and the love of a man to stand by his wife

Jewish Kabbalah Answer
The First Book of Adam and Eve
3:1 GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
7 But God had before that made this covenant with our father, Adam, in the same terms, ere he came out of the garden, when he was by the tree whereof Eve took the fruit and gave it him to eat.

13:1 2 "Strengthen thy heart, and be not afraid. This darkness is not a punishment. But, O Adam, I have made the day, and have placed the sun in it to give light; in order that thou and thy children should do your work.
13 "For I knew thou shouldest sin and transgress, and come out into this land. Yet would I not force thee, nor be heard upon thee, nor shut up; nor doom thee through thy fall; nor through thy coming out from light into darkness; nor yet through thy coining from the garden into this land.
14 "For I made thee of the light; and I willed to bring out children of light from thee and like unto thee.

14:3 Again said God unto Adam, "All this misery that thou hast been made to take upon thee because of thy transgression, will not free thee from the hand of Satan, and will not save thee.
4 "But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.
5 "And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save thee."

Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – God’s creation is exactly as He created it
Gnostic belief – and God’s Plan has always been
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him.

Jewish belief – from God we came – to souljourn here (to Jer 1:5 witness) – to return to God



God sends us – we volunteer – we choose to come into this world to witness
We are born into this physical world and by age 2 – we are full driven by (yester ra) – me / SELF
As we grow and mature – we are to “Recognize what is in our sight” - Psa 19:2 / Rom 1:19-20
We are to rediscover the truth of God – reconnect with God – and be God’s witness
Jesus Christ is there to open that door to all mankind – to witness the truth of God
Then we return to God for judgment

The Parable of the Prodigal Son
Luk 15:11 Then Yeshua said, “A certain man had two sons,
Luk 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that comes to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them.
Luk 15:13 “Not many days later, the younger son gathered everything and traveled to a far country, and there he squandered his inheritance on wild living.
Luk 15:14 Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine came against that country, and he began to be in need.
Luk 15:15 So he went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs.
Luk 15:16 And he was longing to fill up on the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one was giving him any.
Luk 15:17 “But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have food overflowing, but here I am dying of hunger!
Luk 15:18 I’ll get up and go to my father, and I’ll say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence.
Luk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired workers.
Luk 15:20 “And he got up and went to his own father. But while he was still far away, his father saw him and felt compassion. He ran and fell on his neck and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
Luk 15:22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quick! Bring out the best robe and put it on him! Put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet.
Luk 15:23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let’s celebrate with a feast!
Luk 15:24 For this son of mine was dead and has come back to life—he was lost and is found!’ Then they began to celebrate.
Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – God’s creation is exactly as He created it
Gnostic belief – and God’s Plan has always been

13:13 "For I knew thou shouldest sin and transgress, and come out into this land. …
14 …"For I made thee of the light; and I willed to bring out children of light from thee and like unto thee. …
14:4 "But I will (save thee). When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.

Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?

And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear,

The Gnostic Contest - is from the Authoritative Teaching – a 1st or 2nd Century Coptic Christian Commentary – it was / is considered to be Gnostic because it pre-dates Roman Catholicism

Yes – the whole point of creation is to reveal God’s wealth and his glory
Yes – God created everything – angels – heaven – earth – man – and the ARCHON
Yes- Gen 3:14-24 is a God established struggle – man vrs world – man vrs serpent – man’s seed vrs serpent’s seed

The rest of the passage
… make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.

And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world

despise the world –
Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is good and acceptable and perfect.

incomprehensible knowledge –
Knowledge of the TRUTH = belief in the TRUTH

flee to the one who exists. –
Prodigal Son – don’t walk – RUN toward God

those who contend with us, being adversaries –
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (ARCHON), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

their ignorance – our knowledge, 
OF THE TRUTH

since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth.
(yester tov) – before we were born – we walked with God

We have nothing in this world –
We are not earthlings – we are spiritual that is having a soulhourn in the physical reality

lest the authority of the world –
ARCHON – Princapalities - the Beast of Revelation – the serpent race – we call devils and satanas

should detain us in the world –
This physical world is the kingdom / domain of the ARCHON -the Beast – the serpent race – we call devils – satanas

100% Gnostic – 100% Jewish – 100% Christian
Gnostic Christianity 101

[Filina]

Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?

Hmmmmmmm ……. YES



How can a God of love create evil? Sounds very disrespectful to God

How can you deny Lucifer? The perfect angel that became satan.

[Filina]

Where did you go? Don't you have an answer?

[Dave]

Where did you go?
We (my family) has been taking my girls to college and getting them moved in
1 college 100 miles away and the other 300 miles in the other direction

Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?
Hmmmmmmm ……. YES

How can a God of love create evil? Sounds very disrespectful to God
How can you deny Lucifer? The perfect angel that became satan.
Don't you have an answer?

Been working on the reply on the road - and why it rambles so long
The discussion of satan is easy - straight forward 
But Catholic tradion is so hard for many to unlearn and let go

If you are Catholic – or based in Catholicism /Lutheranism / Baptist / Presbyterian /Angelina / Greek Orthodox / or most Western Christendom’s Protestant churches – you have been taught

Q: Who Created Evil?
Ichthys: Bible Study - ichthys.com › ...
Satan's Rebellion and Fall from Grace
Feb 17, 2021 — So how did evil come to exist? Through Lucifer. God created Lucifer, an angel whose name means “shining one.” Lucifer originally was a perfect being endowed with great intellect, wisdom, beauty, and free will. However, he wanted to usurp God and exalt himself through self-deification (cf. Isa. 14:12–14). His prideful rebellion against God brought evil into God’s perfect universe.

If you are Jewish – based only upon the Torah
www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13219-satan
(1) Satan has no power of independent action, but requires the permission of God, which he may not transgress. He can not be regarded, therefore, as an opponent of the Deity; and the doctrine of monotheism is disturbed by his existence no more than by the presence of other beings before the face of God.
(2) Satan as that member of the divine council who watches over human activity, but with the evil purpose of searching out men's sins and appearing as their accuser. He is, therefore, the celestial prosecutor,
(3) "adversary," being applied (as in) an enemy in war

Catholicism and Judaism DO NOT AGREE on the identity of satan and his role within creation

Gnostic Christianity - Jesus Christ was a Jew – the fulfillment of Judaism – the Jewish Messiah
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus was a Jew – His disciples were - Jewish – His followers were Jewish – the first Christian at Pentecost were Jews attending Temple – the first Christians of the Book of Acts were Pentecostal Messianic Jews

Their theology / demonology / mysticism (Kabbalah) / and legends were all 100% Jewish
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The Roman Edit
Rome was an information Empire – anything anti-Roman / non-Roman Centric was banned or destroyed
The period in history – 200BC – 200AD is the greatest censorship in history
The phrase – “History is written by the victor” comes from this period in literary history

Also during this period – there were many different Christian movements – there was no centralized ”church” – there was no organized canon – some followed James – some followed Peter – some followed Paul. You might go so far as to say – as the 12 disciples went out to preach – immediately there were 12 different groups / sects.

The Nag Hammadi Library was from one of these early 1st or 2nd Century New Christian groups of Egypt

(wiki) In 380AD the Edict of Thessalonica made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire

1- Now with new ‘state authority’ the Holy Catholic Organized Church began the process of making this new religion a Roman religion – thus Roman Catholicism – then they began the process of separating itself from Judaism.

2- Synod of Laodicea - Canon 29
www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

3- Christians forget – at the time – Rome hated the Jews - they killed Christ
1.7 million People – Jews and Muslims were killed in the 1st Crusade alone (wiki)

4- Thousands of Jews were targeted by Crusaders in the Rhineland in Germany in 1096. The crusaders aimed to entirely eliminate the Jewish population, either by converting them to Christianity, or, if they refused, by killing them. (Medieval antisemitism - www.theholocaustexplained.org/anti-semitism/medieval-antisemitism/the-crusades/)

5. My book – The Archon and the Great Contest
“We forget that Rome’s adoption of the Christian faith spelled the end for pagan religions within the Empire. In 386, a man named Libanius, who was devastated by the systematic destruction of the old faiths, pleaded with the emperor to rein in the excesses of Christian officials. They “hasten to attack the temples with sticks and stones and bars of iron, and in some cases, disdaining these, with hands and feet. Then utter desolation follows, with the stripping of roofs, demolition of walls, the tearing down of statues and the overthrow of altars, and the priest must either keep quite or die. After demolishing one, they scurry to another, and to a third, and trophy is piled on trophy.”⁴

Many would come to resent this new Roman Christian world: a place in which coercion was acceptable and in which religious faith and political power were so closely intertwined. Coercion in any form is always counterproductive: it produces a congregation of hypocrites who pretended to believe in the prevailing religion in order to avoid ostracism or punishment. As such, the state could never become directly involved in the policing of belief because the focus of a true religion is the inward full persuasion (of the mind). The care of souls cannot be given to the civil magistrate because his power consist only in a corporeal force; but salvation through religion consist in the inward conversion of the mind.⁵ “

Interesting Contrast

Jewish theology + Jewish Messiah = Jesus Christ = Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul and love your neighbor as I have loved you = REVIVIAL

The Gospel of Jesus Christ + Rome -= Catholic satan + violent persecution of others and forced conversions for economic security with the state = CRUSAIDE and INQUISITION

Catholic Father Irenaeus – and “Doctor of the Church” - 107AD) was the first to call fallen angels as apostates, who will be punished by an everlasting fire
Catholic Father Justin Martyr – and “Doctor of the Church” - (c. 100 – c. 165) identified pagan deities as fallen angels or their demonic offspring in disguise.

Catholic satan – and the concept of Fallen Angels – is 100% a Catholic invention

Question – what force would want to hide / misrepresent / or confuse – the object of our real struggle

Scripture says
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (ARCHON), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Scripture DOES NOT say
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against SATAN

Question – what force would want to elevate Catholic satan to godhood?

Member Robert is a Seventh Day Advantest
Adventist.org - www.adventist.org › the-great-controversy
The Great Controversy is a spiritual battle (between God and Catholic satan) a conflict over God's character and His right to rule the universe.

This is a very common Roman Catholic / Western Christendom / Protestant theology – taken word for word from the Catholic Profession of Faith

Who is disrespecting whom?

As a Judeo-Christian – as a Gnostic Christian – this is insulting and disrespectful to God
Member Robert goes so far that – Earthquakes and volcanoes didn’t exist -nothing ever ate, reproduced, or died – until Adam sinned – then satan CHANGED all creation

Romans1:19-20 / Psa 19:2 cannot witness to God – but only reveals how their satan god CHANGED all creation away from God’s intended design – this is a flawed world – everything is corrupted by Catholic satan – So Romans 1:19-20 and Psa 19:2 can only reveal Catholic satans handiwork

Scripture says:
Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Mal 3:6 “For I am Adonai. I do not change,

Job 23:13 He is unchangeable, and who can change Him? Whatever His soul desires, He does.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

NO CHANGE - NO VARIATION

Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – creation is exactly as God intended – exactly as created
Psa 19:2 / Rom 1:19-20 all creation witnesses to the Creator
Jewish belief #2 – God test His people - Deu 8:2 … in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.

Jas 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
Jas 1:4 And let endurance have its perfect work, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

The Questions for FEEL GOOD Christians
Why did God allow the world to be dominated by alien space gods – long before Abram was ever called from Ur

The Judeo-Christian answer - Jewish belief #2 – God test His people - Deu 8:2 … in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.
Deu 13:2 “Suppose a prophet or a dreamer of dreams rises up among you and gives you a sign or wonder,
Deu 13:3 and the sign or wonder he spoke to you comes true, while saying, ‘Let’s follow other gods’—that you have not known, and—‘Let’s serve them!’
Deu 13:4 You must not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams—for Adonai your God is testing you, to find out whether you love Adonai your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Why did God place Eve + the 1st Commandment + the serpent together in the garden?
The Judeo-Christian answer - Jewish belief #2 – God test His people - Deu 8:2 … in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.

Why didn’t God forgive Adam and Eve? Instead – God established the Contest of Gen 3:14-24
Instead of forgiveness – God established a centuries long CHALLENGE / CONTEST / STRUGGLE
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (ARCHON), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The Judeo-Gnostic Christian answer - Jewish belief #2 – God test His people - Deu 8:2 … in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.

Why didn’t God introduce Himself to everyone – instead - Why did God only introduce Himself to Abram and give the Torah on to the people of Israel + march them around in the wilderness developing the Jewish Culture / religion – and then sent them into Canaan – to wage war?

What does it mean to be one of “God’s chosen” – what does it mean to be Jewish
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

What is the Jewish answer to – what is the meaning of life – why am I here – what is my purpose?
Judeo-Christian answer – to witness – to reveal God

Socrates would say – God is forming a crucible to reveal the truth

It was always God’s Plan / God’s Will
Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – creation is exactly as God intended – exactly as created
Psa 19:2 / Rom 1:19-20 all creation witnesses to the Creator – including world history

Are you suggesting that God made the world full of pain and suffering on purpose?
Hmmmmmmm ……. YES

Jewish Kabbalah
God did not rush to save Adam and Eve –
but established the CONTEST / STRUGGLE / CHALLENGE of Gen 3:14-24 – God did it

YES - God is deliberately waiting for the human experience to unfold

The prophesy of the 5,500 ears

First Book of Adam and Eve

3:1 GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
7 But God had before that made this covenant with our father, Adam, in the same terms, ere he came out of the garden, when he was by the tree whereof Eve took the fruit and gave it him to eat.

The prophesy of John 3:16 and the Word becoming Flesh

14:1 THEN Adam said unto God: "O Lord, take Thou my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness."
2 But God the Lord said to Adam, "Verily I say unto thee, this darkness will pass from thee, every day I have determined for thee, until the fulfilment of My covenant; when I will save thee and bring thee back again into the garden, into the abode of light thou longest for, wherein is no darkness. I will bring thee, to it--in the kingdom of heaven."
3 Again said God unto Adam, "All this misery that thou hast been made to take upon thee because of thy transgression, will not free thee from the hand of Satan, and will not save thee.
4 "But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.
5 "And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save thee."

Good and Evil - Tov and Ra

GOOD and EVIL as opposing forces – God and Catholic satan - is Persian Zoroastrianism – a God of Good / Order and a god of Chaos / Bad – looked together in a cosmic Yin-Yang struggle

Tov and Ra is a more correct Jewish perspective and in Hebrew this concept is more complicated and just goof verses evil. For the Hebrew thinker, both of these terms indicate movement.
If you say someone is bad – the question follows – how bad are they?
If you say some one is good – how good are they?

Tov – translated as good – in Hebrew means more of a movement toward God – that’s good
Ra – translated as bad / evil – is a movement away from God – that’s bad

God created NATURE – long before Gen 3 – and NATURE contains a lot of ra – who can deny it?
Listen to Rabbi Freidman discuss the Holocaust of WWII – one of the biggest ra in our memory
1- The Jews who suffered could not change who they were – they could only endure and pray it was God’s Will – Trust in God – Faith – even though no one understood
2- Yet it was the biggest tov for the Jewish people in centuries
1/2/ the Jews involved died as martyrs for their God
The other ½ formed the new 1948 Nation of Israel

Judeo-Christian Scripture - SIMPLIFIED

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.
Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light!” and there was light.
Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good. So God distinguished the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” So there was evening and there was morning—one day.

Isa 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I form the light (H216),
H216 – אוֹר - From H215; illumination or (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.): - bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light (H216): and there was light (H216).

and create darkness (H2822):
H2822 – חֹשֶׁךְ - chôshek - From H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: - dark (-ness), night, obscurity.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness (H2822) was upon the face of the deep.

I make peace, and create evil (H7451):
H7451 - רָעָה רַע - ra‛ - From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]

H7489 – רָעַע - râ‛a‛ - A primitive root; properly to spoil (literally by breaking to pieces); figuratively to make (or be) good for nothing, that is, bad (physically, socially or morally).

Jewish Creation =
1 God created the heavens(pl)
These are spiritual realties – the home to the Host of heaven (Gen 2:1)
Enoch – Paul – Jewish Kabbalah support a 10D reality – in agreement with modern multi-dimesionalism

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

2- God created earth – dirt – physical reality
And God created darkness (H2822):
H2822 – חֹשֶׁךְ - chôshek - From H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: - dark (-ness), night, obscurity.

3 – God formed the light (H216),
H216 – אוֹר - From H215; illumination or (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.): - bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.

4 - Gen 1:4 … God distinguished the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 … one day.

What is the DARKNESS – that obscures - that God created?
H2822 – חֹשֶׁךְ - chôshek - From H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: - dark (-ness), night, obscurity.

Jewish Kabbalah and pre-Catholic Gnostic Literature discuss this as IGNORANCE
Tov – good – the movement toward the truth of God
Ra – bad (which can lead to sin) – the movement away from the truth of God

Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child.

We know this BEAST as the Dragon, the BEAST of Revelation – that old serpent – that we call devils and satanas – that DECIEVES the whole world.

Deception is the act of spreading IGNORANCE

As Christians we all understand the LIGHT that Illuminates
Joh 8:12 Yeshua spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. The one who follows Me will no longer walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Light that Illuminates (TRUTH) always replaces the IGNORANCE which deceives

The cycle has always been = Creation – Darkness – Light – Separation / Reset
Gen 1:1 + Gen 1:2 + Gen 1:3 + Gen 1:4-5 – Day 1
Who created – God did
Who created the Darkness – God did
Who created the Light – God did
Who established the separation and reset – God did

Eden + man + serpent = Gen 3:14-24
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel
Who is omniscient and knew what would happen – God did
Who put them all together and allowed NATURE to have its way – God did

Man in the world + the Archon (bane elihiym) = The Flood of Noah
Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days
Who is omniscient and knew what would happen – God did
Who put them all together and allowed NATURE to have its way – God did

Man + Nimrod + Babble =
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

What an achievement for mankind – How very proud a FATHER would be of His children

Gnostic - the compliment by God – is not consistent with Christendom’s teaching
A stone tower would fall under it own weight eventually
The workmen on a stone tower would run out of air and die
On the contrary God’s compliment indicates that Babble was some type of research complex – reaching for the heavens requires technical aptitude
Even if they reached orbit – like a sci-fi space elevator – what would they learn that we do not know today?

Who stopped their progress – God did
Who stopped mankind from working together for common cause - God did

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Who did it – God did it

Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – creation is exactly as God intended – exactly as created
Psa 19:2 / Rom 1:19-20 all creation witnesses to the Creator
Jewish belief #2 – God test His people - Deu 8:2 … in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.

Gnostic Creation
Gen 1:2 … darkness (IGNORANCE) was on the surface of the deep

The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.

The Beast / dragon / the serpent = The First sentient created with matter
And because he was matter – matter was all he saw – and thought himself the first and alone
But - a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.

This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels (messengers – archon ) were thrown down with him.

The Gnostic ARCHON are an entire race of beings – the Serpent Race – unique and separate from Angels
Angels are Ethereal – not of this world – spiritual
They are only guided / driven by (yester tov) the TRUTH

Beast of the field / animals / biology – are of matter / this world
The ARCHON – are in-between – ethereal beings – invisible to man – yet able to appear as biology
Both are only driven / guided by (yester ra) – SELF – survival (materialism)

Man is the creature that can choose
Man is (yester ra) animal / biology + (yester tov) TRUTH spirit / soul

How do the Gnostic Archon deceive humanity
Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.

Anything that keeps focused upon this world – life in this world – takes time away from our spiritual growth

Does not have to be evil – to be ra – a movement away from the Truth of God

YES – Catholic Fallen Angel satan is a Catholic myth
Catholic satan is a Machiavellian tool to drive people to a Catholic Priest and the Catholic Church

Instead – the BEAST of Revelation – the SERPENT RACE – is very active – very real – and comes in many forms – demons – shadow people (personal experience) aliens / UFOs – and other gods

IT IS ALL GOD’s WILL – ALL GOD’s PLAN

Jewish belief #1 – God is Absolute – creation is exactly as God intended – exactly as created
Psa 19:2 / Rom 1:19-20 all creation witnesses to the Creator
Jewish belief #2 – God test His people - Deu 8:2 … in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.

The Gnostic Contest - Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.

He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.

And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world …

Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angels is error
If God is omnipotent and omniscient – then any idea that a created being changed it’s own assigned role within creation against God’s Will - then changed God’s creation against God’s Will is ridicules

Am I just Anti-Catholic

Hmmmm? – I admit I frown very much on the state of the modern corner church – I admit I frown on the results of denominational segregation and posturing for power.

The corner church serves an important role – if someone has a question they need a place to start their search – I do not speak in churches because I do not want to disrupt / confuse any entry level Christian.
I am dismayed that so many people check in – only to leave when they do not find their own answers
I am dismayed that so many people check in – and never move on – never grow in the Lord

And I am dismayed that even tho Jesus Christ was a Jew and the Jewish Messiah modern Catholic Christendom is completely unable to witness to the Jews

It is not a matter of making them see Jesus as the Messiah
But to be Christian they also have to accept Fallen Angel Catholic satan as the god of evil

Jesus Christ was a Jew - His Disciples were Jewish - His followers were Jewish - the first Christians at Pentecost were Jews attending Temple - the first Christian of the Book of Acts were all Pentecostal Messanic Jews - all of their theology was Jewish - and none of them ever heard of Catholic satan

[Dillon]

Russell Brand realized this about God
Narcissism and Hedonism on one side and true spirituality in Christ on the other

Spiritualism (yester tov) or Materialism (yester ra)

Worship the Creator not something created

Worship God not the WORLD

Tov or Ra

Good or Bad

Good or Evil

Catholic Satan not required