Post by Dillon on Jun 8, 2024 16:27:45 GMT -5
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Now we know the definition of new age spiritualism.
Bubbles - I believe and am lead by God via my conscious.
PC – Fantastic, so are we – what do you believe and why?
Bubbles – I don’t know and cannot answer why?
More the reason I declare - I am a "Gnostic Christian"
Christian - Judeo-Christian as the first and second century First Christians of the Book of Acts
Gnostic - because Literature from those First Christians are of more interest to me and anything Pope or Saint Anyone said
Gnostic - because I am unafraid to look at Christianity from the outside its norm
Gnostic - because I am amazed at how pure sceince seems to validate the most ancient Jewish Scriptures / Kabbalah
Gnostic - because I am amazed at how church history + history in general = has brought us to today's current events
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Gnostic – Recognize what is in your sight
Who placed Eve and the serpent in the Garden? – God did it
Who kicked man out of Eden – into a harsh world? – God did it
Who guaranteed that life should be hard on our way to mortal death? – God did it
Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life.
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
Gen 3:16 To the woman He said, “I will greatly increase your pain from conception to labor. In pain will you give birth to children. Your desire will be toward your husband, yet he must rule over you.”
Gen 3:17 Then to the man He said, “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate of the tree which I commanded you, saying, ‘You must not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground because of you—with pain will you eat of it all the days of your life.
Gen 3:18 Thorns and thistles will sprout for you. You will eat the plants of the field,
Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you eat food, until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken. For you are dust, and to dust will you return.”
History begins - with God calling Abram out of Ur - God did it
God promises the land of Canaan to the decedents of Abraham - God did it
Gen 12:1 Then Adonai said to Abram, “Get going out from your land, and from your relatives, and from your father’s house, to the land that I will show you.
Gen 12:2 My heart’s desire is to make you into a great nation, to bless you, to make your name great so that you may be a blessing.
Gen 12:3 My desire is to bless those who bless you, but whoever curses you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
Gen 15:18 On that day Adonai cut a covenant with Abram, saying, “I give this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates River:
Gen 15:19 the Kenite, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Raphaites,
Gen 15:21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
Gen 17:4 “For My part, because My covenant is with you, you will be the father of a multitude of nations.
Gen 17:5 No longer will your name be Abram, but your name will be Abraham, because I make you the father of a multitude of nations.
Gen 17:6 Yes, I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings will come forth from you.
Gen 17:7 Yes, I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, in order to be your God and your seed’s God after you.
Gen 17:8 I will give to you and to your seed after you the land where you are an outsider—the whole land of Canaan—as an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.”
Gen 17:9 God also said to Abraham, “As for you, My covenant you must keep, you and your seed after you throughout their generations.
Abraham had eight sons - that we know of
Gen 25:1 Now Abraham took another wife—her name was Keturah.
Gen 25:2 She bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah.
Gen 25:3 Jokshan fathered Sheba and Dedan. Dedan’s sons were Asshurim, Letushim and Leummim.
Gen 25:4 Midian’s sons were Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida and Eldaah. All of these were Keturah’s sons.
Gen 25:5 Now Abraham gave everything that he had to Isaac,
Gen 25:6 but to the sons of Abraham’s concubines, Abraham had given gifts and sent them away from his son Isaac while he was still living, eastward to the land of the east.
Then God promises the Land and Nation to the descendants of Isaac - God did it
Gen 26:2 Then Adonai appeared to him and said, “Do not go down to Egypt. Dwell in the land about which I tell you.
Gen 26:3 Live as an outsider in this land and I will be with you and bless you—for to you and to your seed I give all these lands—and I will confirm my pledge that I swore to Abraham your father.
Gen 26:4 I will multiply your seed like the stars of the sky and I will give your seed all these lands. And in your seed all the nations of the earth will continually be blessed,
The entire saga of the Old Testament is about real estate - between brothers
The Nation State Israel keeping the covenants of the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – vrs – the other Tribes of Abraham and their ‘other gods’ / secular gods / gods with a small g.
Jesus Christ is born – the age of the Gentile is opened and the Jewish reminate suffers the Great Dysphoria
Circa 650 AD – Mohammed gathers all the ‘other gods’ of Canaan together in the Kaba and declares Allah as their supreme leader
The American and French Revolution was the uprising of the people
WWI was the end of the Monarchies
WWII was the war that ended all wars
The American lead /Bretton-Woods Agreement / Free Trade Alliance / United Nation era that flowed allowed the world’s longest period of peace known to history
70/80 years of industrial development and Free Trade
Allowing the world to industrially arm itself to bring about a final battel
Current events = The same ole Old Testament saga
The Nation State Israel keeping the covenants of the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – vrs – the other Tribes of Abraham and their ‘other god’ Allah
Only the conflict has become a GLOBAL EVENT
The entire saga of the Old Testament is about real estate- between brothers
No one indigenous to the Middle East can escape a genetic link to Abraham
No one indigenous to the Middle East can escape the conflict about real estate - between brothers
Who did it? God did it
Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi Library
… before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world …
The Gnostic version of:
The Parable of the Lost Sheep
Luk 15:1-7 I tell you, in the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one repenting sinner than over the ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance.”
The Parable of the Lost Coin
Luk 15:8-10 In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
The Parable of the Prodigal Son
Luk 15:11 Then Yeshua said, “A certain man had two sons,
Luk 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that comes to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them.
Luk 15:13 “Not many days later, the younger son gathered everything and traveled to a far country, and there he squandered his inheritance on wild living.
Luk 15:14 Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine came against that country, and he began to be in need.
Luk 15:15 So he went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs.
Luk 15:16 And he was longing to fill up on the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one was giving him any.
Luk 15:17 “But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have food overflowing, but here I am dying of hunger!
Luk 15:18 I’ll get up and go to my father, and I’ll say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence.
Luk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired workers.
Luk 15:20 “And he got up and went to his own father. But while he was still far away, his father saw him and felt compassion. He ran and fell on his neck and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
Luk 15:22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quick! Bring out the best robe and put it on him! Put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet.
Luk 15:23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let’s celebrate with a feast!
Luk 15:24 For this son of mine was dead and has come back to life—he was lost and is found!’ Then they began to celebrate.
Luk 15:25 “Now his older son was out in the field. And as he came near the house, he heard music and dancing.
Luk 15:26 And he called out to one of the servants and began to ask what these things could be.
Luk 15:27 “The servant said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he got him back safe and sound.’
Luk 15:28 But the older son was angry and didn’t want to go in. So his father came outside and pleaded with him.
Luk 15:29 But he answered and said to his father, ‘Look, so many years I’ve slaved away for you—not once did I ignore your order. Yet you’ve never given me a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends.
Luk 15:30 But when this son of yours came—the one who has squandered your wealth with prostitutes—for him you killed the fattened calf!”
Luk 15:31 “Then the father said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and everything that is mine is yours.
Luk 15:32 But it was right to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead but has come back to life! He was lost, but is found.’”
The Great Gnostic Contest
Let me see if I really understand your point
Please correct anything I have said
1. God created it all to reveal his wealth and glory
2. Genesis Day 1 establishes a duality and the division between the light and the darkness
Gnosticism teaches that this division is not good vs evil,
but the light of truth of God vs the darkness of the ignorance of God
3. Gnosticism teaches the chaos and darkness of Day 1 cannot be evil, because God called it all GOOD (Gen 1:31)
4. Gnosticism teaches that the real duality, division between the truth and the darkness parallels the duality of Gen 1:1 God created the heavens and the earth
In heaven, everything is in full view and the truth of God and Creation is obvious
In heaven things are incorruptible and invisible to us
While in earth, physical matter, the spiritual reality of heaven is out of view, hidden
While in earth, physicality is corruptible and will perish away
5. Gnosticism teaches that the real duality, division between the truth and the darkness parallels the duality of
Gen 1:27 God created humankind in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them.
I was raised in a Jewish home, so I guess I am Jewish.
I was always taught that God existed in a duality. A male presence that sits upon the throne 24/7 and a female presence that moves among the people, that ministers to the people, that tends to the children of God.
6. Gnosticism teaches that the real duality, division between the truth and the darkness parallels the duality of MAN
Genesis 2:7 represent the duality of man. One part beast and one part spirit/soul.
You say – (yester ra) beast/flesh + (yester tov) spirit/soul
You say – (yester ra) beast/flesh is programed with the instinctive need for self-preservation and the survival of the species, which leads to selfishness, want, desire, the need to reproduce
You say God commanded all beast/animals/flesh with (yester ra)
Gen 1:22 Then God blessed them by saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the (earth)
You also say God expected even more from man
Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.”
You say (yester ra) is not sin, but selfishness, want and desire do lead to sin if not controlled
You say this is all apart of God’s Great Gnostic Contest
Jas 1:12 Happy is the one who endures testing, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love Him.
Jas 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”—for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He himself tempts no one.
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire.
Jas 1:15 Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is full grown, it brings forth death.
You also say that (yester tov) is actually the truth our spirt/soul has always known
THE DUALITY of MAN is actually our inner struggle between flesh and spirit, between (yester ra) and (yester tov), between what the flesh desires and what God desires, between what the flesh wants vs that which we know is right.
This is also a very Jewish teaching. I was taught that we all existed before our birth in a place called the well of souls. Then mated with of flesh upon conception, only to return to God upon our death.
For God we came, and to God we will return.
Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.”
The meaning of life = God created it all to reveal his wealth and glory
7. Eve in the garden and the fall of man
Gnosticism teaches it was just Eve’s own human nature
God knew full well what would happen, formed the crucible for it to happen, allowed it to happen
Why – In Judaism it is taught that man would never appreciate the good, if we are ignorant of the bad.
Why – In Judaism to reveal God’s wealth and glory to save the righteous
Why – In Christianity to seek the Prodigal Son
Why – in Gnosticism to reveal his wealth and glory to save the righteous
8. Eve in the garden and the ORIGIONAL SIN belonged to Eve
In Judaism – Eve is just a human, any human, every human
In Gnosticism - Eve is just a human, any human, every human
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
9. Who made life hard?
God did, for both the serpent and man (Gen 3:14-24)
Why? In Judaism the answer is always reveal his wealth and glory to save the righteous
10. The Messiah – why?
Why – In Judaism to reveal God’s wealth and glory to save the righteous
Why – In Christianity to seek and rescue the Prodigal Son to save the righteous
Why – in Gnosticism to reveal his wealth and glory to save the righteous
11. Are we in the end times?
With the end to Free Trade and America’s role as the world’s policeman
Regional wars will break out. Who will stop it?
These wars will be over oil and food, which all translates into Real Estate
With the coming Demographic Winter, entire economies and systems will collapse
The world is heading to a global reset through global depression and starvation and the resulting plagues that will binge.