Post by Dave on Jan 21, 2024 14:39:25 GMT -5
You still have some eternal spark spirit given to man, thus making man immortal, but somehow this immortality can be removed upon the second death, but not upon the first death. A weird theory you have never explained.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God
1st D = a singularity – unable to locate or define
In the beginning = a statement of TIME
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens …
Gen 1:2 … the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
2nd D = omnipresent ether / matrix – the word was with God (John 1:1) – expansion
Space time – (actually = 10D of space + 1 D of time)
- the Gnostic First Age
Age of spirit – age of ethereal
Man (Adamus) is a spiritual being created Day 1 – along with all the other spiritual beings – angels – etc - 7 full dimensions / heavens filled with spiritual / ethereal beings
Adamus and all the angels are (yester tov) because they are in heaven in the presence of the Lord
Adamus and all the angels are (yester tov) because they gnosis the truth – of God and creation
Gen 1:1 God created … the earth. – the Gnostic 2nd Age
Age of physical matter – age of corporeal
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
the earth was without form, and void – Nebular Theory – cosmic-stellar validation / quantum validation
and darkness was upon the face of the deep - choshek
choshek – does NOT mean sin / transgression of a law / or disobedience
choshek = ignorance (yester ra) – ignorance of the truth of God and creation
Gnostic – the First Beast created = only saw himself – only thought of himself – theought he was first and alone - choshek = ignorance (yester ra) – ignorance of the truth of God and creation
Day 5 – God created the whale beast (animals - fish) – commanded them to go forth and multiply
Day 6 – God created the beast of the field - commanded them to go forth and multiply
God gave then instinctive programming = self-preservation + the survival of the species
self-preservation = selfishness – self-centered – greed– desire – want more
the survival of the species = lust – desire – selfishness – want
all of it = (yester ra) all of it focused upon biological survival – all of it physical world
God created man (adam) from the dust of the earth – just like any other beast of the field
commanded them to go forth and multiply – and have dominion
commanded them to go forth and multiply – and subdue
all of it = (yester ra)
all of it focused upon biological survival – (yester ra)
all necessary to keep God chosen people alive through the hardship of the Contest – 3:14-24 / Deut 30:15-18
all necessary to keep God chosen people alive to Jer 1:5 – witness to the world
commanded them to go forth and multiply – and have dominion
We are on top of the food chain – we eat what we like – plant or animal
We domesticate what we like and kill what we don’t like – plant or animal
We can make fire – we discovered electricity – we have split the atom
all of it physical world – all of it (yester ra)
Gen 2:7 = adam – man of dust – biology/flesh with all its (yester ra)
Is made different than all the other animals – all the other Beast
Animal adam was mated with his soul / his spirit (Adamus – spirit – ethereal – that is yester tov)
adam (animal – with yester ra) + Adamus (spirit – with yester tov) = Adam a human being
Man is the creature that can choose - (yester ra)or(yester tov) - Free Will
Man is a spiritual being – having a physical souljourn / on a mission to Jer 1:5 – and Man will return to heaven as his spirit being upon mortal death
Man is man in the image of God
Chirst pre-existed – born into a man (Jesus Christ)– to witness – and Christ returned to the heavens (LIFE LIVES) upon the mortal death of Jesus
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
thus making man immortal, but somehow this immortality can be removed upon the second death, but not upon the first death.
IS A NONSENSE STATEMENT
First you misrepresent Christian teaching – then you can argue against yourself
making man immortal – Adam and Eve had a chance at immortality – but they sinned and now the tree of life has been removed and man dies just like all animals die
The First Death = Morality
The Second Death is the death of spirit – after both the first and second resurrections
Not complicated – not mysterious –
You just deny the spirit – so you don’t understand – you choose not to understand
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Be honest – there are 3 types of Christians –
the lost and the believer – do NOT have EXPERIENCIAL GNOSIS
over times – beliefs can change – wane – become lost and forgotten – agree
Faith for them = holding their conviction till the very end
The spiritual Christian – have had an EXPERIENCIAL GNOSIS
Once you have had your Baptism – you will never again deny the truth or the spiritual reality
You assume once called and once saved, your will never let go of God, thus the mind is fixed upon Christ forever and thus you never sin or are found missing of His powers?
Once you have has your Baptism – you will never again deny the truth or the spiritual reality
You assume once called and once saved, your will never let go of God,
IS 180* backwards
Once we are saved – God will never let us go – no power can take us away from salvation
and thus you never sin or are found missing of His powers?
You mock what you do not know
You like to teach than anyone bowing to Ellen White is filled with the Holy Spirit daily – it is automatic with your version of faith
This is not walking in the spirit – this is not praying in the spirit – this is not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
The spiritual Christian – have had an EXPERIENCIAL GNOSIS
Once you have had your Baptism – you will never again deny the truth or the spiritual reality
You praise your Ellen White for her 2000 spiritual experiences – not breathing – on the floor – in a coma – having an out of body experience
You mock what you do not know
You assume once called and once saved, your will never let go of God,
IS 180* backwards
Once we are saved – God will never let us go – no power can take us away from salvation
The Christian teaching – which you have obviously never heard =
I was saved – I am being saved – and I will be saved
Once Saved Always Saved - By Dr. Chuck Missler
7:49 min
0:39-1:15 How can one “christian” loose his salvation – while another “Christian” knows he can’t
Answer – there are 3 types of believers – 100% Gnostic Valentinus
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
The lost - lukewarm Christians – off and on – pretenders
The believers – cold Christians – solid in their belief – conviction – faith = saved
The Hot Christians – spiritual – Born Again – gnosis the truth of God and creation
Believers base their beliefs of intellectual information – reason – they do not have experiential evidence
Over time beliefs can change – wane – even denied
These people – who fail to keep the faith = never believed – just thought they did = pretended they did
Judaism – Jews that become apostate – are still saved by promise
But only after a period of proportional punishment – each man his due – deeds, works, fruit
Or a divine pardon – then straight to the bosom of Abraham
Gnostic – First Fruits – straight to the throne of God
also a period of purification - proportional punishment – then resurrection
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1:43 – the English word saved – is an all-encompassing term
1:53 – Dr Rademacher - I have been saved – I am being saved – and I will be saved
2:25-3:00 - I have been saved – Justification – past tense - that happened o the Cross 2000 years ago
3:00-3:30 – I am being saved – Sanctification – present tense - I am a work in progress
3:30-3:40 I will be saved – Glorification – future tense
3:40 – all believers will be saved – but some will wake up to REWARDS
Different rewards – different heaven experience for some – some = Glory
4:00 – if we say – we can lose our salvation we are denying what Jesus Christ did on the Cross
If we believe and are willing to confess – Jer 1:5 – we are saved
NOW – we wish to please the Lord – with our life – our life song – our deeds, works, and fruit
all believers will be saved – but some will wake up to REWARDS
Different rewards – different heaven experience for some – some = Glory
Jewish - a period of proportional punishment – each man his due – deeds, works, fruit
Or a divine pardon – then straight to the bosom of Abraham
Gnostic – First Fruits – straight to the throne of God
also a period of purification - proportional punishment – then resurrection
Chuck Missler – First Fruits (not discussed here)
all believers will be saved – but some will wake up to REWARDS
Different rewards – different heaven experience for some – some = Glory
5:00 – We are all heading to a Final Exam
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God
1st D = a singularity – unable to locate or define
In the beginning = a statement of TIME
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens …
Gen 1:2 … the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
2nd D = omnipresent ether / matrix – the word was with God (John 1:1) – expansion
Space time – (actually = 10D of space + 1 D of time)
- the Gnostic First Age
Age of spirit – age of ethereal
Man (Adamus) is a spiritual being created Day 1 – along with all the other spiritual beings – angels – etc - 7 full dimensions / heavens filled with spiritual / ethereal beings
Adamus and all the angels are (yester tov) because they are in heaven in the presence of the Lord
Adamus and all the angels are (yester tov) because they gnosis the truth – of God and creation
Gen 1:1 God created … the earth. – the Gnostic 2nd Age
Age of physical matter – age of corporeal
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
the earth was without form, and void – Nebular Theory – cosmic-stellar validation / quantum validation
and darkness was upon the face of the deep - choshek
choshek – does NOT mean sin / transgression of a law / or disobedience
choshek = ignorance (yester ra) – ignorance of the truth of God and creation
Gnostic – the First Beast created = only saw himself – only thought of himself – theought he was first and alone - choshek = ignorance (yester ra) – ignorance of the truth of God and creation
Day 5 – God created the whale beast (animals - fish) – commanded them to go forth and multiply
Day 6 – God created the beast of the field - commanded them to go forth and multiply
God gave then instinctive programming = self-preservation + the survival of the species
self-preservation = selfishness – self-centered – greed– desire – want more
the survival of the species = lust – desire – selfishness – want
all of it = (yester ra) all of it focused upon biological survival – all of it physical world
God created man (adam) from the dust of the earth – just like any other beast of the field
commanded them to go forth and multiply – and have dominion
commanded them to go forth and multiply – and subdue
all of it = (yester ra)
all of it focused upon biological survival – (yester ra)
all necessary to keep God chosen people alive through the hardship of the Contest – 3:14-24 / Deut 30:15-18
all necessary to keep God chosen people alive to Jer 1:5 – witness to the world
commanded them to go forth and multiply – and have dominion
We are on top of the food chain – we eat what we like – plant or animal
We domesticate what we like and kill what we don’t like – plant or animal
We can make fire – we discovered electricity – we have split the atom
all of it physical world – all of it (yester ra)
Gen 2:7 = adam – man of dust – biology/flesh with all its (yester ra)
Is made different than all the other animals – all the other Beast
Animal adam was mated with his soul / his spirit (Adamus – spirit – ethereal – that is yester tov)
adam (animal – with yester ra) + Adamus (spirit – with yester tov) = Adam a human being
Man is the creature that can choose - (yester ra)or(yester tov) - Free Will
Man is a spiritual being – having a physical souljourn / on a mission to Jer 1:5 – and Man will return to heaven as his spirit being upon mortal death
Man is man in the image of God
Chirst pre-existed – born into a man (Jesus Christ)– to witness – and Christ returned to the heavens (LIFE LIVES) upon the mortal death of Jesus
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
thus making man immortal, but somehow this immortality can be removed upon the second death, but not upon the first death.
IS A NONSENSE STATEMENT
First you misrepresent Christian teaching – then you can argue against yourself
making man immortal – Adam and Eve had a chance at immortality – but they sinned and now the tree of life has been removed and man dies just like all animals die
The First Death = Morality
The Second Death is the death of spirit – after both the first and second resurrections
Not complicated – not mysterious –
You just deny the spirit – so you don’t understand – you choose not to understand
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Be honest – there are 3 types of Christians –
the lost and the believer – do NOT have EXPERIENCIAL GNOSIS
over times – beliefs can change – wane – become lost and forgotten – agree
Faith for them = holding their conviction till the very end
The spiritual Christian – have had an EXPERIENCIAL GNOSIS
Once you have had your Baptism – you will never again deny the truth or the spiritual reality
You assume once called and once saved, your will never let go of God, thus the mind is fixed upon Christ forever and thus you never sin or are found missing of His powers?
Once you have has your Baptism – you will never again deny the truth or the spiritual reality
You assume once called and once saved, your will never let go of God,
IS 180* backwards
Once we are saved – God will never let us go – no power can take us away from salvation
and thus you never sin or are found missing of His powers?
You mock what you do not know
You like to teach than anyone bowing to Ellen White is filled with the Holy Spirit daily – it is automatic with your version of faith
This is not walking in the spirit – this is not praying in the spirit – this is not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
The spiritual Christian – have had an EXPERIENCIAL GNOSIS
Once you have had your Baptism – you will never again deny the truth or the spiritual reality
You praise your Ellen White for her 2000 spiritual experiences – not breathing – on the floor – in a coma – having an out of body experience
You mock what you do not know
You assume once called and once saved, your will never let go of God,
IS 180* backwards
Once we are saved – God will never let us go – no power can take us away from salvation
The Christian teaching – which you have obviously never heard =
I was saved – I am being saved – and I will be saved
Once Saved Always Saved - By Dr. Chuck Missler
7:49 min
0:39-1:15 How can one “christian” loose his salvation – while another “Christian” knows he can’t
Answer – there are 3 types of believers – 100% Gnostic Valentinus
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
The lost - lukewarm Christians – off and on – pretenders
The believers – cold Christians – solid in their belief – conviction – faith = saved
The Hot Christians – spiritual – Born Again – gnosis the truth of God and creation
Believers base their beliefs of intellectual information – reason – they do not have experiential evidence
Over time beliefs can change – wane – even denied
These people – who fail to keep the faith = never believed – just thought they did = pretended they did
Judaism – Jews that become apostate – are still saved by promise
But only after a period of proportional punishment – each man his due – deeds, works, fruit
Or a divine pardon – then straight to the bosom of Abraham
Gnostic – First Fruits – straight to the throne of God
also a period of purification - proportional punishment – then resurrection
-------------------------------------
1:43 – the English word saved – is an all-encompassing term
1:53 – Dr Rademacher - I have been saved – I am being saved – and I will be saved
2:25-3:00 - I have been saved – Justification – past tense - that happened o the Cross 2000 years ago
3:00-3:30 – I am being saved – Sanctification – present tense - I am a work in progress
3:30-3:40 I will be saved – Glorification – future tense
3:40 – all believers will be saved – but some will wake up to REWARDS
Different rewards – different heaven experience for some – some = Glory
4:00 – if we say – we can lose our salvation we are denying what Jesus Christ did on the Cross
If we believe and are willing to confess – Jer 1:5 – we are saved
NOW – we wish to please the Lord – with our life – our life song – our deeds, works, and fruit
all believers will be saved – but some will wake up to REWARDS
Different rewards – different heaven experience for some – some = Glory
Jewish - a period of proportional punishment – each man his due – deeds, works, fruit
Or a divine pardon – then straight to the bosom of Abraham
Gnostic – First Fruits – straight to the throne of God
also a period of purification - proportional punishment – then resurrection
Chuck Missler – First Fruits (not discussed here)
all believers will be saved – but some will wake up to REWARDS
Different rewards – different heaven experience for some – some = Glory
5:00 – We are all heading to a Final Exam
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.