Post by Dave on Jan 19, 2024 18:12:03 GMT -5
R" really? typos, spelling mistakes, etc, How much of a difference are you talking about?
How the Dead Sea Scrolls "Bible" Differs from the Traditional Hebrew Text
1:06:25
21:00 – true – all book of the OT have been identified in the Dead Sea Scrolls
But – only 40% of the total Tanak is recovered
23:30 even the standard Hebrew Bible today is filled with textual differences references as marginal readings
24:05 – the Bart Erhman example – discovered so many variant readings – that he has come to doubt it all. A modern trend among scholars
Why – because he was raised a very conservative Christian taught ZERO ERROR – INFALABILITY
Only to learn the truth – the NT is a very edited text – by many different authors – obvious insertions into the text to adjust the text.
24:48 – the reason why Bible Codes are invalid
24:45 – Masoretic Text 1080 AD (WLC)
26:00 – Greek LXX – more common during the time of Christ than the Hebrew
27:00 – Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) – the oldest copy – predates the standard Hebrew Bible by 1000 years
27:20 – sometimes the DSS agree with the LXX not the WLC
27:45 – this revelation – that all the texts do not agree –
Bothers some people - like Bart Erhman and Robert – because they have bought the “church myth” of infallibility
Bothers people - who build large doctrines on a single word or verse
Bothers people – who promote Bible Codes
Does not bother the realist – who understands the history of scriptural texts
Does not bother the person – who understands that - precept upon precept, line upon line - the message of scripture is repeated over and over to self-validate itself
Spelling for spelling – word for word – verse for verse – error exist
To the message – no error
28:00 – IT IS WRONG TO TRADE ONE FUNDAMENTALISM FOR ANOTHER
It is wrong to trade one extreme absolutism – for another extreme absolutism
It is wrong do go from ‘NO ERROR – TRUSTED’ to “ERROR THERFORE NOT TRUSTED”
30:00 – WLC = is about 1000AD / DSS is about 200-300BC
32:00 – a scholarly view of FAITH vrs words
It is wrong to argue nit picky details –
It is more correct to focus on the PILLARS OF THE FAITH
33:00 – these textual differences are not a threat – they are a treasure trove of information to explore
34:00 - David Horowitz – Decalogue Faith – all in the 10 words
(James Tabor’s personal belief slipping through – we believe – we accept- David Horowitz supporter – sponsored by David Horovitz Foundation)
(WLC) Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
BECAUSE
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
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(DSS) Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
BECAUSE
(Exo 20:11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
What is the difference
WLC suggest the Sabbath rule is for Jews only – because of their liberation from Egypt
DSS suggest this applies to everyone within God’s creation
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(WLC) Deu 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
(DSS) sons of Adam = sons of Elohiym (bene elohiym – gods)
(WLC) Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
(DSS) rejoice ol heavens together with him – bow down to Him all you gods – for He will avenge the blood of His Children – He will render vengeance upon His enemies – no recompense for those that hate Him – and He will atone for the land of His people
39:10 – bene elohiym – these ruling powers spoken of often
Michael Hiser – The Unseen Realm – 100% ARCHON / 0% Ezk 28 Catholic satan
Dave =- two groups angels and archon / angels and the Beast of Revelation
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42:45
(WLC) Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
(DSS) Isa 53:3 WE is despised and rejected HIM;
43:40
(WLC) Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
(DSS) Isa 53:8 … for the transgression of HIS people was he stricken.
WLC suggest ‘my people’ = God
DSS suggest ‘the people of Christ’ – His people
Gnostic / Trinity = God = Christ
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(WLC) Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked,
(DSS) Isa 53:9 And THEY made his grave with the wicked,
Who did it – is God in charge –He made His
Or others – are in charge – THEY did it
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45:23
(WLC) Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: …
WLC is focused on the suffering of the soul
(DSS) Isa 53:11 out of His suffering His soul will see light – and find satisfaction
The DSS is suggesting resurrection - seeing the light
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47:40
(WLC) Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
(DSS) Mal 3:1 … who can endure THEM: when THEY shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
(DSS) – the focus is upon two Messiah figures
1- a Priestly Messiah
2- a Davidic Messiah
A Jewish teaching consistent with the Torah - Zec 6 speaks of two Messiahs
Not something taught in Judeo-Christianity – unless you consider the POPE a Priestly Messiah
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50:50 – 1 – 2 – 3 Messiahs
1- a Moses figure (who the DSS group thought they were following)
But their Moses figure died – killed?
2- a Priestly Messiah and 2- a Davidic Messiah – had not yet come
The DSS group were a pre-Jesus Christ movement
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HOW FUNNY
55:20 – James Tabor describes the DSS group as a Millerite /Ellen White failed prophesy group
When their apocalypse didn’t happen – and their Moses leader was killed / died – they changed their teaching by saying – God prolonged the seasons
56:00 – James Tabor describes the DSS group as PETERIST
Their 40 year date was right - But God has extended His Grace – extended His Grace Period