Greenhouse effect

[Virginia]

Excessive heatwave covers entire u.s.a. Over 100 in most states. Denver 105 yesterday. Phoenix to be 113 today but what makes us a little better here is that our houses all have air conditioning. It is expensive but we could not live without it. People up North start their cars and let them run to heat them up----well we do the same thing here in Phx but to cool them off.

[Virginia]

Fire close to Colorado Springs has forced 32000 to flee. With all the technology we have today there just has to be a better way to fight these types of fire. Sending a plane or two up with repelant just cannot do it. Fire fighters on the ground cannot do it.

[Dave]

We are 99.99% packed and ready to go. Our trailer is packed and man is it heavy. I hope we can get everything back inside to bring it home. We packed for a year - could have that job pretty easily - Do I want to move to Washington ?

Once we are settled, I have a lot to say about "Global Warming."

Do you know what the "Hockey Stick Curve" is? Find out

[Virginia]

I googled "Hockey Stick Curve" and what I take away from it is that no one can decide what is real. Al Gore has part ownership in a co that every co in America would have to belong to where they need to by credits based on the amount of pollution they produce. If they produce a lot they would have to by credits from co who don't produce as much. Al Gore and these others who own this co would made billions of dollars so can a person really believe what he says. I think global warming is real. I watched a tv show where they said thru out history when we have global warming it is followed by a ice age. When I see glaures melting you have to believe something is going on.

[Dave]

All we have to do is eat breakfast and we are out of here. But I can't help but tell you about that Hockey Stick Graph.

The Hockey Stick Curve is a graph of ocean temperatures. The Italians are the ones that began making records of ocean temps. I don't have my stuff in front of me (it is all packed) - but in the olden days sailors at sea would throw over a bucket and bring in some sea water and measure the temp on the open deck of the ship. Around 1923 / 1925 sailors changed the way they measure ocean water temps. Since the 1920s, sailors now draw some sea water into the engine room and measure it. = Bang! - a 1-2 degree shift in Stick Curve an all of the bad science generated by it.

Is there Global Warming - yes we are in a warming trend currently.
NO - it has nothing to do with SUVs and carbon producing factories.

3 Unanswered questions by the Global warming scientist:
1. It appears that Global warming is also effecting several of out solar system planetoids. Ice Caps are getting smaller on Mars, Europa, and Io. Therefore, Global Warming is just a Earth phenomena - but a solar system wide occurrence.
2. Immediately before the last ice age, ATM CO2 levels were much higher than now - where were the SUVs and Carbon producing factories then?
3. Scientist forget history - somewhere around 1550 Earth entered a period called the "Little Ice Age." This wasn't just a year or two - but 200-300 yrs

Let's talk about these 3

Little Ice age - Historical fact! Everybody understands that planetoid weather patterns are cyclic. Ice ages - fact. Tropic past - fact. Tropic Forest that are now are biggest Deserts - Fact. Little Ice Ages - Fact. - Warming trend - Fact.

The Q is actually not "IF" there is a Warming Trend now. The Q is is this Global Warming - artificial? - Outside of normal weather pattern trends? - is humanity the cause or its victim? - - and what is next - unstoppable run away warming ? - or what?

Immediately before the last Ice Age - CO2 levels were much higher than today. Humanity had 0 impact then!

Why do CO2 levels go up?
Cars and factories - sure - man made - sure - significant?
Humanity is always in competition with NATURE - and it has been proven, over and over, that we are in-significant next to NATURE.
Volcanic Eruptions can generate a 100 yrs of man-made pollution.
But do not forget the biosphere! - every exhale, every rotting, every decaying piece of biology, even to the microbial level -make more CO2 in a day than man could burn in how many years? When is the strength of rote at its best - in the heat of the humid tropics - say in a long held Warming Trend.

Weather auto correction - the last Warming Trend flipped into the last Ice Age!

I read a book years ago - can't remember the book - bu remember the arm chair sci-fi science. Global warming moves more water in the cycle into the clouds. The more water trapped in the air - the bigger the chance for large amounts of precipitation. One good ol'e blizzard cold front moving across the Northern Hemisphere could change the planet. How - The Northern Hemisphere all get a nice blanket of fresh snow. America, Canada, Europe, Russia - and because it is all white - it is all reflective.
Reflecting solar energy instead of absorbing it just kept the book blizzard alive - Ice Age.

The Art Bell movie 'Day After Tomorrow' - ?? - Have super hurricanes that grow so large - and more importantly - so tall that they began to suck down the cold of space - Ice Age

This is just sci-fi stuff, but look at our last Ice age

CO2 levels higher immediately before - possibly indicating a Warming Trend then.
When did it happen? 25,000 yrs ago
What else happened 25,000 yrs ago? - Our solar system crossed the Galactic Plane
If there is any connection between crossing the Galactic Plane and the Warming Trend /Ice Age cycle - then is could have effected the entire solar system just as seen today

[Dave]

Galactic Center Line

Just as our plane wobbles through space - so does our solar system wobble.

The path of our solar system through seemingly empty space wobble above then below the galactic center line. When do we cross this galactic plane next? 12/21/2012!

This is just the natural path we travel (GALACTIC NATURE)

When did we last cross the Galactic Plane? - 25,000 yrs ago. (Ice Age)

Galactic Weather - think larger than just here alone - the galactic center is the dense part of the galaxy. Energy levels are higher - galactic friction? as the solar system flys through this dense region.

Once across the plane - space should thin out - energies decline - star calms - planetoid weather patterns also have to be effected - calming - cooling -

When? - If our last "Little ice Age" was over before 1900, then we have been in this Warming Trend for 150 yrs. Another 150 yrs on the downside of the galactic Plane doesn't seem unreasonable.

A 300 year Hot cycle - is not out of place with historical records. Ice Ages last much longer; because as enough ice and snow moves to the ground - the snow cap holds the weather pattern - once glaciers are formed - they dictate weather patterns for centuries.

OK- thanks for making me think. I am bagging the laptop and taking it to the car - talk to you next from the road.

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[Virginia]

Yes Dave what you say is exactly what I have read and seen also. An ice age will follow a heating cycle.

[Elflord]

I recently posted a You Tube video entitled Climate Crisis Cancelled and the "warmers" as I call them went apeshit. The video is written and produced by climatologists. The people that reply are anything BUT climatologists.

Here's the thing; if someone ain't an expert in the field (Al Gore) why would I give a rat's ass what that person has to say about scientific conclusions? We discuss possibilities here while he discusses things he knows nothing about.

Medieval Warm Period 10th - 14th centuries. Warmer than today.

Fun Quotes: www.friendsofscience.org/assets/templates/fos/FOS_flash.swf

[Virginia]

If all scientists told the truth we would all be better off. Al Gore and his group stand to make lots of money if they can convince us global warming is for real.It is possible this warming trend is just the natural cycle of the universe.

[Dave]

Thanks for the post Elflord - nice video

Medieval Warm Period 10th - 14th centuries. Warmer than today.

Mini Ice Age 1550-1850

Warming Trend 2100-?


Why would anyone think these weather patterns are cyclic?