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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2023 15:41:14 GMT -5
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? www.youtube.com/live/kpeNKh770EI?si=zZa_OepktK4qGXTlThe Return of the gods | Rabbi Jonathan Cahn | LW43:37 min I have no idea what he is going to say – but he is a Jew that accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah His demonology will be Jewish – the idea of ‘other-gods’ is Jewish Rabbi Cahn is also a Pentecostal Messianic Jew – speaking to a Pentecostal audience
8:00 – The ancient gods – are real entities – invisible beings the mischief of today If you are in a fight and you do not know what your fighting – you are not going to win 9:00 – the ancient world (OT world) was filled with gods – everywhere – long before Abram was called from Ur 9:19 – Hebrew scripture says these ancient gods were KING SOLOMON’s sheim A spirit – an entity – a unique independent individual being 10:00 – the 99% (all the world except Israel the 1%) was given over to these other-gods 11:45 – The Messiah performed a mass exorcism upon the world – and the other-gods were ejected A play on Noah and the Flood – an exorcism upon the world and the Nephilim were ejected 11:52 - BUT WHERE DID THEY GO – because SPIRIT DOES NOT DIE – (LIFE LIVES) 12:45 – the spirits possess – individual peoples – and entire cultures / nations OT – the story is a clash of cultures / nations NT – the story becomes personal – mono a mono 14:30 – these gods – these Principalities – (achon in Greek) 14:40 – the DARK TRINITYIn Hebrew = Baal – the possessor King Solomon called him baal-zebul Jesus called him Baal-zebub H1176 - בַּעַל זְבוּב - ba‛al zebûb From H1168 and H2070; Baal of (the) Fly; Baal Zebub, a special deity of the Ekronites: - Baal-zebub. Baal – Beelzebub – the king of the demons and god of the Philistines (Gaza) 100% King Solomon – shedim – 15:00 – turning away from God – education – ‘cultural indoctrination’ Movement from the KNOWLEDGE of the truth to the darkness of ignorance 17:00 – in Judaism you have ONE TRUTH – MONOTHIESM If you have many gods – multiple gods working together as a team + another god for evil = pagan Woke-ism = pagan-ism 18:20 - the Bull = a symbol of capitalism = a symbol for greed – mammon – 18:30- THE SECOND OF THE DARK TRINITY – Ishtar The feminine – the mother of Tammuz – who was born on Dec 25th The goddess who fell to earth in an egg on the spring equinox - Easter with Easter eggs Goddess of sexual immorality Romans 1:18-32 – Yes –the archon are work – very busy – sex sells DO NOT FORGET – it is all by the hand of God Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness DO NOT FORGET – it is all (yester ra) - Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust (desire), and enticed. Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 21:15 – THE THIRD OF THE TRINITY OF DARKNESS – Molech The destroyer Offering children as sacrifice – the children of the poor Sacrifice today – allowing them to roam the world – drugs – war – violence 32:00 – he references – text from other-gods as empirical evidence He offers – reference to NON-TORAH literature – as valid sources of information ABORTION – this is a a terrible example – and misrepresents the Supreme Case – Roe vs Wade Before 1964 – 31 states had no laws against abortion – 13 had various laws about it – only 6 state banned abortion The abortion argument in American is NOT about a woman’s right to choose The abortion argument IS ABOUT – the Fed having the right to dictate moral values to the states Roe vs Wade was repealed in 2022 – DOES NOT MEAN ABORTION IS AGAIN BANNED IT MEANS Utah and Texas can ban it - if they vote to do so Californian and New York can vote to make it OK after birth Indiana can vote to make it OK up until the 13th week ABORTION – ROE vs WADE – has never been a pro-choice / pro—life argument The argument is – can the Fed force a conservative (on the right) state to have liberal laws Transgenderism – archon Feminisms – grids away the spirits of men De-feminize women – make the into men Ishtar’s temple – men in drag – CORRECT historyPossessing – children = Jewish succubus – Lilith 26:00 – Scalpels – surgical transformation – trans-genderism – surgical procedures OK – personally I think he is stretching it some Scripture and history both speak of EUNICS – castrated men Is this the same as transgender-surgery today? Just a commentThe RAINBOW as a corruption of God’s sign of His covenant 30:50 – the return of the other-gods (shedim / archon) want to remove God from our culture 31:00 - THEY – the principalities – archon / shedim are arrayed against manAND – they are cast out by the name JESUS 34:00 – The alter - h is pro-life stance on Abortion 36:00 – the Last Days – he says recognize what is in your sight GOD WILL POUR OUT HIS SPIRITContest – struggle – LIGHT vs Darkness 37:00 - DO NOT FEAR THE END TIMES – we are called to it God put is NOW – at this time in history 37:20 – if God has called you – then he will anoint you – will empower you 37:30 – CONGRADULATIONS – we are living through Bible Times 38:10 – we are called to be the Elijahs of the day YOU BE THAT ONE 39:00 – IT IS NOW OUR TURN ON THE PLAYING FIELD 39:12 – TODAY = The Book of Acts – the sequel – 39:25- Israel is back 39:30 – Jerusalem is back to Israel 39:40 – Tadoy the world is turning to pagan gods 39:45 IT IS TIME FOR THE CHURCH TO RETURN TO WHERE/WHAT IT WAS IN THE BOOK OF ACTS40:00 – the Spirit of God Live by the spirit Walk by the spirit Repent by the spirit Rise by the spirit Stand by the spirit Fight by the spirit Overcome by the spirit 41:00 – There is none like God – none like Jesus 41:38 – No one here will ever bow to Robert’s satan god 41:39 -41:50 – to everything Robert tries to push off as theology - NO 42:00 – Jewish defiance – I will not bow down to your gods, we already have a KING and a GOD The reason why no invader could rule the Jews The reason not one could rule the Pentecostal Messianic Jews of the 1st Century --------------------------------------------- Dave’s comments39:45 IT IS TIME FOR THE CHURCH TO RETURN TO WHERE/WHAT IT WAS IN THE BOOK OF ACTSYep – Jesus was a Jew, His Disciple were Jewish, His Followers were Jewish – the original Christian were all Pentecostal Messianic Jews Catholic satanology / theology was not invented for another 300 years ----------------------------------- 8:00 – The ancient gods – are real entities – invisible beings the mischief of today If you are in a fight and you do not know what you are fighting – you are not going to win Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, Truth – the sword of the spirit - praying in the spirit - utterances All teachings of scripture that Robert denies------------------------------------------ 9:00 – the ancient world (OT world) was filled with gods – everywhere – long before Abram was called from Ur 10:00 – the 99% (all the world except Israel the 1%) was given over to these other-gods Yes – another Judeo-Christian teaching that Robert denies – could not explainSocrates – he formed a crucible to reveal the truth Gnostic – to reveal His wealth and glory Jewish – to prove that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the ONE TRUE GOD ---------------------------------- 9:19 – Hebrew scripture says these ancient gods were KING SOLOMON’s sheim A spirit – an entity – a unique independent individual being 14:30 – these gods – these Principalities – (achon in Greek)WOW – where have I heard this before?---------------------------------- 15:00 – turning away from God – education – ‘cultural indoctrination’ Movement from the KNOWLEDGE of the truth to the darkness of ignorance Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.14:40 – the DARK TRINITYIn Hebrew = Baal – the possessor King Solomon called him baal-zebul Jesus called him Baal-zebub H1176 - בַּעַל זְבוּב - ba‛al zebûb From H1168 and H2070; Baal of (the) Fly; Baal Zebub, a special deity of the Ekronites: - Baal-zebub. 100% King Solomon – shedim – Baal – Beelzebub – the king of the demons and god of the Philistines (Gaza) 18:30- THE SECOND OF THE DARK TRINITY – Ishtar The feminine – the mother of Tammuz – who was born on Dec 25th Who was killed at age 40 – by a pig The goddess who fell to earth in an egg on the spring equinox - 40days of Catholic Lent + Easter (not Passover) + Easter eggs + ham Goddess of sexual immorality 21:15 – THE THIRD OF THE TRINITY OF DARKNESS – Molech The destroyer - children as sacrifice the DARK TRINITY = the 3 most prominent ‘other-gods’ of the OT All of them – King Solomon’s shedim – male and female All of them Gnostic Archon of the NT – male and female In my Book I speak of the Trinity of Evil Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are too,
The BEAST – the devils/satanas – the false prophets He calls them all demons and shedim NT calls them the dragon – the serpent - devils and satanas Gnostic and the 1st century authors called them archon – Paul / Luke + James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas------------------- 32:00 – reference to NON-TORAH literature – as valid sources of information DUH –100% Gnostic - all data must point to the one true creator------------------------------------ 37:20 – if God has called you – then he will anoint you – will empower you GOD WILL POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT 40:00 – the Spirit of God Live by the spirit Walk by the spirit Repent by the spirit Rise by the spirit Stand by the spirit Fight by the spirit Overcome by the spirit Rabbi Cahn is a Pentecostal preacher speaking to a Pentecostal audience asking them to be more like the Book of Acts – DUH 100% Gnostic – Baptism of the Holy Spirit38:10 – we are called to be the Elijahs of the day - YOU BE THAT ONE ------------------------ 42:00 – Jewish defiance – I will not bow down to your gods, we already have a KING and a GOD The reason why no invader could rule the Jews The reason not one could rule the Pentecostal Messianic Jews of the 1st Century – they - already have a KING and a GOD Yep – and the reason for the Roman Edit Valentinus taught 3 types of Christians 1- the lost 1- the believer 3- and those filled and led by the spiritRome could not govern / control the people – if they were led by the Spirit Rome could not govern / control the people – for the Roman Empire – if the people were led by the spirit -------------------------------------- 37:00 - DO NOT FEAR THE END TIMES – we are called to it God put us here NOW – at this time in history 37:30 – CONGRADULATIONS – we are living through Bible Times 39:12 – TODAY = The Book of Acts – the sequel – Except now all the other-gods are operating under Allah and his Jinn----------------------------------------------- 39:00 – IT IS NOW OUR TURN ON THE PLAYING FIELDAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.-------------------------------- 11:45 – The Messiah performed a mass exorcism upon the world – and the other-gods were ejected A play on Noah and the Flood – an exorcism upon the world and the Nephilim were ejected 11:52 - BUT WHERE DID THEY GO – because SPIRIT DOES NOT DIE – (LIFE LIVES) SPIRIT DOES NOT DIE – (LIFE LIVES) – 100% Jewish teaching – 100% Messianic Jewish teaching – 100% Gnostic
Where did they go? 1st stop on the mass exodus of the ‘Lost tribes of Israel’ – Tyre/Sidon to Cathage 2nd stop = a secondary infection of Europe 3rd stop = South America 4th stop = Meso America 5th stop – Roman Catholic Church ---------------------------------------- Rabbi Cahn – presents a Jewish demonology as a Pentecostal Messiah believing Christian I promote and agree with everything he preached here
My comments – why would you post this and claim is agreed with Ellen White Because he sure disagrees with anything and everything you presentHow does this prove Ezk 28 How does this prove that the many shedim and demons of the OT all created themselves against God’s Will – then rebel against God – hate God and opposes God right to rule the universe Rabbi Cahn does not say anthing that I have not repeated to you over and over and you reject it all
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Post by rob on Dec 7, 2023 16:19:56 GMT -5
Dave" Rabbi Cahn – presents a Jewish demonology as a Pentecostal Messiah believing Christian I promote and agree with everything he preached here
Rabbi Cahn does not say anything that I have not repeated to you over and over and you reject it allROB" You do not present anything new here, but I will listen to this video of Cahn Correct - his teach has always been my teaching You claim is it errorwww.youtube.com/live/kpeNKh770EI?si=zZa_OepktK4qGXTlThe Return of the gods | Rabbi Jonathan Cahn | LW 43:37 min Actually I have listened to this long time ago already. He does not speak along your views. Now read the book I posted in the other thread. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2023 16:36:44 GMT -5
ROB" Read Pastor Cahn's book the return of the Gods. It is very much against your views Dave, and the presentation is very thorough The words of the apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians are strikingly similar to the words of Moses in Deuteronomy 32 and of the psalmist in Psalm 106. All three Scriptures speak of the spirits, the shedim, the daimonia, as being worshipped and offered sacrifices. In Deuteronomy and Psalms those sacrificing to the shedim are Israelites who have turned away from God. In 1 Corinthians those sacrificing to the daimonia are of the pagan world. All three reveal a connection that is far-reaching and profound. When the Israelites offered up their children as sacrifices, they were doing so on the altars of specific gods. Likewise, the idols to which the Gentile world offered up sacrifices represented specific deities, gods of the pagan world. In other words, the gods of ancient Canaan and Phoenicia to which the Israelites sacrificed were not simply the figments of pagan imagination but actual spiritual entities. Likewise, the gods that the Gentiles worshipped and sacrificed to in the first-century Roman Empire, gods with such names as Jupiter, Apollo, Vesta, and Bacchus were not simply the imagined or invented characters of pagan mythology—but were connected to spiritual entities, the daimonia, demonic spirits. From the Old Testament Hebrew to the New Testament Greek, the revelation is clear and consistent—behind the gods of the pagan world were the shedim, the daimonia, the spirits. Worship is connected to spirituality. Spirituality is connected to the Spirit or to spirits. And spirits, as revealed in the Bible, can be either of light or of darkness. Spirits of light are called angels. Spirits of darkness are called demons. And while angelic entities are, by nature, joined to the worship of God, demonic entities are, by nature, at war with the worship of God. They would thus lead one away from the worship of God, even if through the means and form of other gods.ROB" In this passage Pastor Cahn is plainly writing the shedim oppose GOD by removing human worship of GOD, and thus demanding that the shedim are woshipped instead. Be honest - demonic entities are, by nature, at war with the worship of God. They would thus lead one away from the worship of God, even if through the means and form of other gods.
Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.------------ If the gods are spirits and the spirits are gods, then what happens when people or nations are given to them? Is it possible for entire peoples, nations, or civilizations to become possessed?ROB" Yes, something Dave finds hard to imagine. Already commented - on possessing a culture the gods are spirits and the spirits are gods,Robert refuses to answer what this mean?S - he has no spirits - they do not exist In the pagan world the serpent was often seen as a source of divine wisdom. But in the Bible the serpent is a symbol of darkness, of the satanic or demonic realm.ROB: Pastor Cahn writes the serpent is a satanic demon. DUH - Rev 12:9 - the great dragon - the ancient serpent, - called the devil and satanas (G4567), "If behind the gods were principalities, then when the two worlds met, we would expect an intense conflict. And that is exactly what took place. It was a clash of spirits.Robert - absolutley denies that the principalities of the NT are real - because they are archon How can there be a clash of spirits if spirts do not existThe Bookof Acts records several of those first clashes. In the city of Philippi a woman possessed with the “spirit of divination” stalked the apostle Paul and his coworker, Silas, for days. Luke, the writer of the account, uses the Greek word puthon, or python, to describe the possessing spirit. It is the same word used to identify the Oracle of Delphi and the spirit that possessed her—and the god behind the spirit that possessed her". After several days of being followed, or stalked, the apostle Paul cast the spirit out of the woman. It was that casting out of the spirit that led to a violent backlash. The crowds went into an uproar; the two disciples were arrested, beaten, and imprisoned In the early years of the fourth century, the Roman emperor Diocletian launched what would become known as the Great Persecution. The number of Christians arrested became so great that common criminals had to be released from Roman prisons in order to make room. Beyond imprisonment, Diocletian’s persecution would lead to the torture and execution of countless believers in Jesus. The Great Persecution, with its deadly fury, was rooted in the gods. It was launched on the day called Terminalia, the festival of the Roman god Terminus, lord of boundaries and endings. The persecution was intended to bring about the end of faith in Jesus and the termination of His followers. Christians would be commanded to offer sacrifices to the pagan gods. If they refused, they would be imprisoned or killed.Christians would be commanded to offer sacrifices to the pagan gods. If they refused, they would be imprisoned or killed. Islamic shirah law---------------- The Darker State And therein lies the warning. The house that is cleansed and put in order but remains empty will be repossessed. And if it should be repossessed, it will end up in a worse state than if it had never been cleansed. What happens if we apply this to an entire civilization? It would translate to this: Should a culture, a society, a nation, or a civilization be cleansed, exorcised of the gods and spirits—but then remain or become empty—it will be repossessed by the gods and spirits that once possessed it, and more. And it will end up in a far worse state than if it had never been cleansed or exorcised at all. It will, according to the parable, end up many times more possessed and evil than before.ROB: Pastor Cahn is making a prediction about the USA, becoming possessed again by the shedim. Where does Scripture speak of this idea? Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. It is all the hand of God - all God's Plan - all God's WillRom 1:25 They traded the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to shameful passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for what is against nature. Rom 1:27 Likewise the men abandoned natural relations with women and were burning with passion toward one another—men committing shameful acts with other men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. Rom 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to recognize God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what is not fitting. It is all the hand of God - all God's Plan - all God's Will----------- A pre-Christian civilization may produce a Caligula or a Nero. But a post-Christian civilization will produce a Stalin or a Hitler. A pre-Christian society may give birth to barbarity. But a post-Christian society will give birth to even darker offspring, Fascism, Communism, and Nazism. A pre-Christian nation may erect an altar of human sacrifice. But a post-Christian nation will build Auschwitz.ROB" wow warns Pastor Cahn. In the Book of Ephesians the apostle Paul makes clear a critical distinction:
We do not [war] against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.ROB Pastor Cahn calls these beings principalities, a KJV translation. Yep - the REALITY OF THE ARCHON -our real struggle - my entire ministry You call it all error and falseBut he also gave a prophetic warning: But if our hearts shall turn away, so that we will not obey, but shall be seduced, and worship and serve other Gods, our pleasure and profits, and serve them…we shall surely perishROB" SO Israel is the key as to why the shedim return to possess us. One of the three remains something of a mystery. Another of the three was both one and many. And the other changed identities and appearances depending on the time, place, people, and culture. Together they constituted Israel’s dark trinity.ROB" Pastor Cahn defines the trinity as a unit of many showing oneness. The Christian, or biblically based, culture would begin transforming—into a pagan one. Christian values would be replaced by pagan values, Christian ethics by pagan ethics, and a Christian worldview by a pagan worldview. We would witness the paganization of American civilization, and the re-paganization of Western civilizationROB" Yes, where does the Scripture speak of this, and WHOM does Scripture identify? Hab 1:5 ¶ Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. 6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs. 7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. 8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat. 9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand. 10 And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it. 11 Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.Chaldeans, are like wolves. G4567 - Σατανᾶς - Satanas - Of Chaldee origin They impute power unto their eloah (father deity). In other words look for a father deity on earth dressed up in Christian clothes but is a wolf inside. " It was not long after the Israelites settled the Promised Land that they began turning away from God. Then the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served the Baals; and they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt; and they followed other gods from among the gods of the people who were all around them, and they bowed down to them.ROB The USA us doing the same thing, forgetting GOD she is turning to other gods, the shedim and Baal, the mastor god who is as Pastor Cahn says the Possessor. Agree - not just America - but Western White Roman ChristendomTo the people of Israel, he was the head of the “other gods” and was, himself, the quintessential other god. ROB" Yes, the father deity of a family of deities. Yep - King Solomon and Jesus Christ both call this entity - beelzebubYou cannot deny it moreIt was a nation in which the majority of those on the political Left and Right saw themselves as sincere followers of Jesus or God and in which politicians would freely cite God and Christian values in their public discourse. America in the mid-twentieth century was a nation in which children were not only allowed to pray in public schools but actually led in prayer by their teachers, and where teachers read the Word of God in their classrooms. And it was an America that declared itself “one nation, under God.”1 It was into that nation that the spirit of Baal came.ROB Today the USA has forsaken GOD, Agree - not just America - but Western White Roman ChristendomThough the seeds of America’s turning from God can be found in earlier days, it would become most noticeable and would achieve critical mass in the 1960s. It was at the beginning of that decade that America removed prayer from its public schools. The act was soon followed by the banning of God’s Word from the instruction of the nation’s children. The Bible had always been part of the American public school system, from its beginnings at Massachusetts Bay. Thus the change was a monumental one—and with regard to the spirit of Baal, a strategic one. So in 1980 the Supreme Court ruled that it was no longer legal to display the Ten Commandments in public schools. They were what the American school system had once taught and lifted up as the nation’s moral foundation. Now it was illegal to even make them visible in publicROB" Sad, the shedim now begin to possess the entire nation. After being sworn in, Washington delivered a prophetic warning. He said, in effect, if America ever turned away from God and His eternal laws, its blessings would be removed.ROB Pastor Cahn publishes that Washington considered GOD's laws as eternal. By definition When Israel turned from God, the land became filled with idols. It was not an accident. It is an unchangeable dynamic. The nation that turns from God will always turn to other gods. Even if it never utters their names or erects their idols, even if it turns to atheism or a form of secularism, it will always be led to the worship and serving of other gods. The dynamic can be seen in Communism, Nazism, Fascism, and any other ism that seeks to drive out God.
Nature was no longer a gift from God to be stewarded. It was now the ultimate reality. The earth would be christened with the name of the ancient goddess Gaia, and the world would be deified. Man was of nature, nature was God, man was God, and God was everything—pantheism.ROB: Yes So Americans now served and were mastered by the Baals of money, pleasure, success, acceptance, sexual gratification, addictions, work, comfort, the internet, self fulfillment, self-obsession, and countless other gods and idols—the Baals of the modern world. Instead of freedom, Americans saw their culture becoming increasingly driven, restless, conflicted, obsessed, and addicted. And the further the nation moved from God, the more powerful the Baalim became. To America, devoid of God, the pursuit of money and success became an unbridled spirit that possessed millions. With Americans devoid of God, the pursuit of pleasure led to a multitude of addictions and self-destructionROB" The Baalims rise. When he later stood on Mars Hill before the city’s leaders, he addressed the worship of idols: Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.4 He was using the same argument presented by the prophets. They were worshipping that which they themselves had devised, what their own hands had made. In speaking of the creation of idols, the apostle used the Greek word techne. From that same word, linked to the idols of man, we get the modern word technology. In other words, technology comes from a word used in Scripture in connection with idols.
Yep - anything to sidetrack man - from devoting himself to the Holy Spirit
America was largely responsible for ushering in the age of high technology and for creating the modern computer. The computer represented the most sophisticated and advanced work of man’s hands, the most advanced form of man’s techne. And in the age of apostasy, it has become among the most powerful of man’s idols and the most complex of the BaalimROB" The IPAD has become a Baalim God in the hand of the human, the humans are addicted to the hypnotism of the hand held TV set and the changes to social media communion. We not longer see people as independent face to face. Yep =- Romans chapetr 1 - the Hand of God But the hightech idols of the modern world were more powerful; they could see, hear, and speak, and do almost anything. And each generation became more attached to them, more plugged in, and more addicted to them than the generation before. And each found it harder to break free of their spell.ROB" Yes. The Book of Psalms reveals a profound truth concerning the dynamic between the worshipper and the idol: Their idols…have mouths, but they do not speak; eyes they have, but they do not see.…Those who make them are like themROB" Wow, the IPAD is the Baalim humans worship. So computers became more human, and those joined to them became less and less so. As the ancient warning of Scripture had foretold, those who made them had now become “like them.”ROB now with AI, all Internet is now AI generated and Baalim is becoming human, and humans are becoming less than human. The line between man and machine was blurring. There was more and more talk and experimentation involving merging man and technology, whether through digital implants or other technological enhancements of human abilities. The line became even more blurred as people began having sexual and romantic relationships with robots. But even this was part of the ancient mystery of paganism and the gods. In paganism man creates gods and worships the works of his hands; the creator worships his creation. The line between creator and creation is blurred and breached. So if technology is the creation of man, then the pagan blurring and merging of God and man will be manifested in the blurring and merging of man and his technology, creator and creation, man and machine—a hybrid of both.ROB yes. And in the case of America, we may add in the actual creation of a molten image of the bull family and the actual striking down of the Ten Commandments. ROB" wow Pastor Cahn calls the bull calf egel, the one from a family of deities. Darkness had become light. Light had become darkness. Sin was now holy, and holiness was sin. Everything was inverted. And Baal, the god of inversion, had done it. He had worked his dark magic.ROB Well said Baal was the first. He opened the door. But he was not alone. He had a wife, or mistress THE SECOND GOD of the dark trinity was a she. She was among the most potent of gods and among the oldest, having first appeared in ancient Sumer. The Goddess She was so important among the gods of the ancient Middle East that she was given the title Queen of Heaven.
She was the breaker of rules, the trespasser of boundaries, and the transgressor of standards and conventions.
She was a seducer, a temptress, the goddess who captivated, allured, and snatched away She often appeared as naked or as a woman revealing herself
Yep - and she is the mother of Dec 25th as Christmass
Her ritualized “temple sex” was not confined to kings and high priestesses. According to the writings of the ancient Greek historian Herodotus, the women of Babylonia were compelled by religious custom to sit in the temples of the goddess and perform the function of prostitutes, having relations with a stranger in exchange for money. According to Herodotus, “Every woman of the land” was compelled to perform the act at least once in her life.ROB" What religion do we know of that each woman is required to give up her sexuality to the priest of the church if he wants you? From the very beginning, the two gods, Baal and Ashtoreth, or Ishtar, were linked together. The connection reappears later on in the Book of Judges: Then the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served the Baals and the Ashtoreth. ROB" A father and mother deity. Hmm? All - King Solomon's shedim - Ilamic Jinn - NT Pricipalities - Gnostic archon The effect of the goddess’s return to America could be summed up in three words—the sexual revolution.ROB: Yes " When Israel turned away from God, sex, in the form of the goddess Ashtoreth, or Ishtar, was deified. Sex became a god. Sex thus became an end and a goal to be pursued in and of itself. Therefore, it could now be divorced from marriage or any other context and be followed with no regard for context or any other thing. When the spirit of Ishtar came to America, the same dynamics began to replay. Sexuality was deified. It became a god to be pursued as an end in and of itself and without regard to marriage, love, or even a relationship. That which was once the exclusive domain of husband and wife now spilled into the public sphere and popular culture. And so began the progressive severing of sexuality from marriage. As Israel worshipped and served the goddess of sexuality, so now America, indwelled by the same spirit and the same goddess, became increasingly obsessed with sex.ROB" Yes this happened in the USA too. The newly mainstreamed sex industries would employ and be known by the word erotic—erotic literature, erotic dancers, erotic massages, erotic movies, erotica. The word erotic comes from the word eros. Eros was the ancient god of the Greeks. The name means desire. Eros was the god of sexual desire and love. Eros was born of AphroditeROB" Hebrew does NOT have a WORD like this. In Hebrew there are only two words for love. In GREEK there are THREE words for love. The third is EROS. This word is not found in the Greek NT. AS AN enchantress, Ishtar tempted, allured, and captivated. She caused her followers to abandon reason and rationality to do what they otherwise would never have done. She cast spells. She worked magic. Thus her ability to seduce was all the more potentROB" drugs. The Mind Alterer But it was another form of intoxication that so dramatically exploded in American and Western culture that it would, in part, define the 1960s: that of drugs. The phenomenon became so widespread that it gave birth to its own culture— the drug culture.ROB" Possess the mind with drugs. I n 1969 a LIFE magazine article identified the three elements as the counterculture’s new sacraments—“sex, drugs and rock,"
Ishtar was the goddess of mediums, those who were said to be possessed of the spirits. They spoke for the gods and revealed supernatural knowledge and counsel. Her spirit possessed them, as it did her prophets. Ishtar herself was a medium, the mediator between the gods and mortals. Today, such mediums would also be known as fortune tellers, psychics, channelers, and practitioners of the occult.ROB" Pastor Cahn uses the word "medium". The revival of goddess worship was also an outgrowth of the feminist revival that happened simultaneously to the occult revival. Both were linked to Ishtar. ROB" Yes The Destroyer HE WAS the most mysterious of the dark trinity. There is, to this day, debate over who exactly he was. His identity belonged to the shadows. But the evil he represented could not be more stark or brazen. He was Molech.ROB The last of the dark trinity of gods. So horrifying was the nature of the god and his worship that he is called “the abomination.” Molech was associated with the darkest of sins—the sacrifice of human beings and, in particular, the sacrifice of children.
So when the Israelites turned away from God, they turned to the ways of the gods—they began offering up their children. The prophet Jeremiah would confront the depths of their fall from God and the gruesome sin they were now partaking in and celebrating: And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech.7ROB: Sad. It is no accident that after renouncing Christianity, that which would soon be known as the Soviet Union became the first state to legalize the killing of unborn children. It did so in 1920, soon after coming to power, with its legalization of abortion. Molech was especially interested in Jewish children. In ancient times he had killed thousands of them. Now his spirit would cause one and a half million of them to perish. Then, on January 22, 1973, the Supreme Court legalized the murder of unborn children. Molech had come to America ------------------- . So the spirit of the goddess would first seek to emasculate men, and then feminize them.ROB: As a teacher we noticed this way back in 1990 in the education system. I also note you did not watch or listen to Pastor Cahn videos either. Instead you mock Pastor Cahn for being Jewish and not knowing about the Ezek 28 notion. You even say he speaks of the Nephilim. Try reading his books and listening to his videos. DONE - posted - commented here All of this is about King Solomon's shedim / demons
None of it is about hebrew satan of Zec 3 ot Job None of it is about a good angel that changed himself into the god of evil by his own will - against the Will of God and then changed God's Plan for creation
Precept upn precept, line upon line - the truth is val;idated by the bulk of srcipture
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Post by rob on Dec 8, 2023 5:59:30 GMT -5
Greetings Dave Dave" Already commented - on possessing a culture the gods are spirits and the spirits are gods, Robert refuses to answer what this mean?S - he has no spirits - they do not existRob" Rabbi Cahn does not get into Hebrew correctness over word meanings, he preaches laymen terms, using the KJV as it reads plainly in the English translation. Nothing wrong with that, its accurate, though not absolutely truth, but the people coming to truth, can grow on the little light they receive and get more light later on. You are judged by the light you live by, it is not necessary to know all the truth on a theme, only that you grow in the light you receive. You are nit picking over the word meaning of ruwach, and Rabbi Cahn's use of the word. Sure fallen angels can be a medium (spirit) and thus function as a lying ruwach, meaning they are agents of sin, by sinning themselves with the humans. You do not understand that the angels who are demons have free will to sin, and they sin freely, so the humans will sin along with them. ================= Cahn " But in the Bible the serpent is a symbol of darkness, of the satanic or demonic realm.ROB: Pastor Cahn writes the serpent is a satanic demon. Dave" DUH - Rev 12:9 - the great dragon - the ancient serpent, - called the devil and satanas (G4567),Rob" You are welcome to your own blindness Dave, I read and posted that Noami Wolf, also a Jew wrote that Rabbi Cahn uses his words carefully. I have posted her words already by you refused to read her comments. I have no doubt that Rabbi is writing correctly, or maybe he is a Mason and writing only want people want to hear? Are you saying the Rabbi is a Mason? a deceptive preacher? Or are you just blind to his words and use of words? One can only judge a person by the fruit he bears. Dave" Robert - absolutley denies that the principalities of the NT are real - because they are archon How can there be a clash of spirits if spirts do not existROb" Really Dave. I have never said the cherubims do not exist, they exist alright and they are false mediums, entities of darkness, principalities or powers that wish humans harm because the cherubims wish to sin, and thus oppose God in their sinning. All I have said is mediums do not exist on their own. Mediums are functions that work between beings. So in this case we have GOD, a being, the grand medium, also a being administrating the medium, and the cherubim who wishes to sin, as a being, so the medium of darkness can function, as the grandmedium and the sinning cherub both exist as real entities. My apologizes if you do not understand. Dave" Yep - the REALITY OF THE ARCHON -our real struggle - my entire ministryROB" I have no problem with your ministry except it is not caused by archons, but by " angelic entities of darkness" something I quote directly from Rabbi Cahn's book. Your archon is not of an angelic entity, not even close. I also pose Rabbi Cahn parallels the above use of words with angels of light, thus the word " angelic" stems from real angels. He does not use the term "fallen angels" nor does he use Ezekiel 28. So his truth is incomplete. Dave" You call it all error and falseROb" Because you are making archons into " angelic entities of darkness" is incorrect as my understanding of Rabbi Cahn's book. Dave" Chaldeans, are like wolves.
G4567 - Σατανᾶς - Satanas - Of Chaldee origin ROb" I suggest you look into why Satanas is used? Post me your other scholar who agrees with you, that Smith fellow, show me his sentences, can you download his ebook? Because Rabbi Cahn does not speak of Satanas. Dave" Agree - not just America - but Western White Roman ChristendomROb" Agree ROBPP" Pastor Cahn publishes that Washington considered GOD's laws as eternal.Dave" By definitionROB" that means the Father has to keep his own laws. Dave" DONE - posted - commented here All of this is about King Solomon's shedim / demons
None of it is about hebrew satan of Zec 3 ot Job None of it is about a good angel that changed himself into the god of evil by his own will - against the Will of God and then changed God's Plan for creationROB" OK post links to scholars who speak of the satanas being and the archons Dave. Let me see their sentences on this forum. Post them here. Like Smith, etc. Than we can see if Rabbi Cahn is speaking for you or against you. Than we can be both DONE.
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2023 7:17:54 GMT -5
Dave" Already commented - on possessing a culture the gods are spirits and the spirits are gods, Robert refuses to answer what this mean? - he has no spirits - they do not exist Rob" You are nit picking over the word meaning of ruwach, and Rabbi Cahn's use of the word. Yep – he uses the words – shedim – principalities (archon) – demons - serpentSure fallen angels can be a medium (spirit) and thus function as a lying ruwach, meaning they are agents of sin, by sinning themselves with the humans. So mediums can become mediums and use the medium (HS) for evil? Do you make any sense? Archon (principalities) were never angels – they are OT shedim – demons Created by God for God - Col 1:16 - Rev 4:11 - John 1:3You do not understand that the angels who are demons have free will to sin, and they sin freely, so the humans will sin along with them. Archon (principalities) do not have Free Will – they are created for a purpose================= Cahn "But in the Bible the serpent is a symbol of darkness, of the satanic or demonic realm. ROB: Pastor Cahn writes the serpent is a satanic demon. Dave" DUH - Rev 12:9 - the great dragon - the ancient serpent, - called the devil and satanas (G4567),Rob" You are welcome to your own blindness Dave, Why do you call NT scripture blindness? error? Wrong? -------------------------------------- I read and posted that Noami Wolf, also a Jew wrote that Rabbi Cahn uses his words carefully. I have posted her words already by you refused to read her comments. Done – completed – over with – read commented and posted I participate – do you?------------------------------------- I have no doubt that Rabbi is writing correctly, or maybe he is a Mason and writing only want people want to hear? Are you saying the Rabbi is a Mason? a deceptive preacher? Or are you just blind to his words and use of words? One can only judge a person by the fruit he bears. Did you just quote me? NO YOU DID NOT You just wrote words into my mouth – so you can argue against yourself ----------------------------------- Dave" Robert - absolutley denies that the principalities of the NT are real - because they are archon How can there be a clash of spirits if spirts do not exist ROb" Really Dave. I have never said the cherubims do not exist, they exist alright and they are false mediums, All I have said is mediums do not exist on their own. Where is you answer? Spirit does not exist – but angelic spirits can use the non-existent spirit for evil Where is you answer?Dave" Yep - the REALITY OF THE ARCHON -our real struggle - my entire ministryROB" I have no problem with your ministry except it is not caused by archons, but by "angelic entities of darkness" something I quote directly from Rabbi Cahn's book. Yep = "angelic messenger entities of darkness" – That Paul and Luke + James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas all call ARCHON -
Eph 6:12 ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἡμῖν ἡ πάλη πρὸς αἷμα καὶ σάρκα, ἀλλὰ πρὸς τὰς ἀρχάς,Your archon is not of an angelic messenger entity, not even close.David Ike – ‘Just outside our field of vision are entities thatare anything but human – and they have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them demonic, some call them the serpent race, some Islam call them the Jinn’ – 1st century Greek call them archon (rulers – authorities)
I also pose Rabbi Cahn parallels the above use of words with angels messengers of light, thus the word "angelic" messenger stems from real angels messengers. I agreeHe does not use the term "fallen angels" nor does he use Ezekiel 28. So his truth is incomplete. Or Exk 28 and the term ‘fallen angels’ have absolutely nothing to do with the shedim archon – devils and satanas of the OT or NTDave" You call it all error and false ROb" Because you are making archons into "angelic messenger entities of darkness" is incorrect as my understanding of Rabbi Cahn's book. Are you sure you are just play another word game out of desperation?Dave" Chaldeans, are like wolves. G4567 - Σατανᾶς - Satanas - Of Chaldee origin ROb" I suggest you look into why Satanas is used? Post me your other scholar who agrees with you, Done – many – all academicYou proof read my paper on the subject Have you looked at:Job and John: The SatansRonan James Head (last paragraph)We think we have reached an understanding of the satans versus Satan. The satans are those entropic forces that pull at the fabric of unfolding novelty, but are necessary to it. The satans are the meteors that destroy dinosaurs, but open the world to mammals. The beauty of the world is conditioned by its opposite and that is simply the way of God’s universe. To have purpose in such a world means to navigate constant and unrelenting attempts at destruction and desolation but with the hope we can create beauty. To triumph means to find that beauty. God calls us to join in the fray and create meaning. When the satans become Satan, it is only and forever entropy and darkness without meaning, worlds without end.26 The satans are that which is done on all worlds and are necessary to them. The Satan is the enemy, the black hole that seeks to consume all of them. Rabbi Cahn does not speak of Satanas. Nope – he calls them Principalities / archon Eph 6:12 ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἡμῖν ἡ πάλη πρὸς αἷμα καὶ σάρκα, ἀλλὰ πρὸς τὰς ἀρχάς,… Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,… All of this is about King Solomon's shedim / demons None of it is about hebrew satan of Zec 3 ot Job None of it is about a good angel that changed himself into the god of evil by his own will - against the Will of God and then changed God's Plan for creationThan we can see if Rabbi Cahn is speaking for you or against you. Than we can be both DONE.I am doneRabbi Cahn – he and I be mates – same theology – same Messianic Jewish Theology 100% Jewish demonology- shedim – demons – Principalities – ARCHON 100% created by God for God – Col 1:16 – Rev 4:11 – John 1:3 100% the Gnostic CONTEST – Gen 3:14-24 Established by God – rules created by God – the playing field created by God – man created by God and archon / Principality created by God Rabbi Cahn is a Pentecostal Messanic Jew and calls for a return to the Christianity of the Book of Acts The Christianity of Jesus, His Disciples, and His origional follower - who were all Pentecostal Messanic Jews Yes - this is 100% my teaching0% Ezk 28 – 0% Catholic satan – 0% the shedim created themselves – 0% the shedim rebell – 0% the shedim hate God – 0% the shedim opposing God – 0% there are two god’s in heaven locked in a controversy – 0% Ellen White – 0% Robert’s teaching here
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2023 10:02:06 GMT -5
Rob - Than we can see if Rabbi Cahn is speaking for you or against you. Than we can be both DONE. Dave - Rabbi Cahn is a Pentecostal Messianic Jew and calls for a return to the Christianity of the Book of Acts The Christianity of Jesus, His Disciples, and His original followers - who were all Pentecostal Messianic Jews Yes - this is 100% my teaching0% Ezk 28 – 0% Catholic satan – 0% the shedim created themselves – 0% the shedim rebel – 0% the shedim hate God – 0% the shedim opposing God – 0% there are two god’s in heaven locked in a controversy – 0% Ellen White – 0% Robert’s teaching here --------------------------------------------- The Gnostic Contest – Gen 3:14-24 – man vs world – God cursed the ground making mortal life hard (toil + sweat) – God made life hard (nature does not cooperate with man) + man vs archon – the serpent’s seed – (the serpent = the dragon = the BEAST = we call devils and satanas(G4567))- the offspring of the BEAST Why? Gnostic to reveal God’s wealth and Glory Jewish – to reveal God – to prove that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the One True God Robert / Ellen White = I Dunno noGod let the ‘other gods’ have the world long before Abram Then called Abram and set the 1% against the 99% - a contest between nations Why?Gnostic to reveal God’s wealth and Glory Jewish – to reveal God – to prove that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the One True God Robert / Ellen White = I Dunno noWhy did God establish the Contest?Gnostic – Be NOT of the world but - flee to the one who exists. OT – to see companionship / communion with – the Jobs of the world NT – to see companionship / communion with – to seek the Prodigal Sons NT - to see companionship / communion with – the First Fruits Robert / Ellen White = God never meant this world to be flawed – it is a mistake – a renegade angel changed it all against God’s Will – and now God is at war with this angel god of evilWhy did God create the contestants?Man – with Free Will – choose God or world Robert / Ellen White = man had no choice until after Eve sinnedWhy did God create the contestants?The archon – Gnostic – to keep man sidetracked – occupied with anything but the HS The shedim – as obstacles to overcome NT – the devils and satanas DISCIEVE man NT – Principalities / Archon are our real struggle NT – Principalities / Archon created by God for God Robert / Ellen White = God did not create them – they created themselves after creation was closed – they created themselves out of pride – they rebel against God – they hate God – and they oppose God’s right to rule the universeWhy did God create the Archon / Principality devils / demons / satanas contestants?Jewish – God created them to use them Jewish - Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; Jewish – as obstacles to overcome – as other gods for the 99% Deu 8:2 - to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. NT - Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (yester ra) Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, Eph 6:12 ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἡμῖν ἡ πάλη πρὸς αἷμα καὶ σάρκα, ἀλλὰ πρὸς τὰς ἀρχάς Col 1:16 created by God for God Rev 4:11 – everything was created for God pleasure Robert / Ellen White = God did not create them – they created themselves after creation was closed – they created themselves out of pride – they rebel against God – they hate God – and they oppose God’s right to rule the universe----------------------------------------------- 1 - Dave - Rabbi Cahn is a Pentecostal Messianic Jew and calls for a return to the Christianity of the Book of Acts The Christianity of Jesus, His Disciples, and His original followers - who were all Pentecostal Messianic Jews Yes - this is 100% my teaching2- This includes the other gods - shedim - and demons of the OT – as the Jinn of Islam – as the Archon of the NT – as the entities that manipulate this world from the outside – as the devils – as the satans (pl) and there are many – written in NT Greek as satanas (G4567) Yes - this is 100% my teachingThe Archon and the Great ContestFreed, David. - Book Book (2014.) available at NOBLE (All Libraries). Phillips Academy. phillips.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/3621779?locg=49The Archon and the Great Contest (Pondering Confusion) Paperback – October 31, 2014 by David Freed Th.D. (Author) www.amazon.com/Archon-Great-Contest-Pondering-Confusion/dp/1495252388/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AL3SRQGM3C3&keywords=archon+and+the+great+contest&qid=1702047580&s=books&sprefix=archon+and+the+great+contest%2Cstripbooks%2C239&sr=1-13- This include Jesus Christ as the one and only Jewish Messiah 100% divine spirit (Son of God) souljourning in the 100% flesh of Jesus (Son of Man) God incarnateGod, Himself, came to tabernacle with man as a man – to VALIDATE / PROVE the RESURRECTION – to prove LIFE LIVES – and by GRACE – and by belief you also can have this eternal life Yes - this is 100% my teaching4- This includes – Baptism of the Holy Spirit Yes - this is 100% my teaching5- Gnostic is 100% Trinity Yes - this is 100% my teaching6- Gnostic – Romans 1:19-20 Science validates the Trinity and multi dimensionalism Science validates the scriptural ORDER of creation – to the smallest detailValidated by the fossil record Evolution is debunked – replace by Intelligent Design Evolution is debunked – invalidated by genetics – Science validates – all matter is built upon little clouds of immeasurable E Science validates scripture – time is not linear Yes - this is 100% my teachingDave – Incremental Creation Yes - this is 100% my teachingponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=incrementDave - The Logarithmic Days of Creation Yes - this is 100% my teachingponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=relativity7- Gnostic – Roman 1:19-20 + Gen 6:9-8:19 Whole Earth Decompression Dynamics (WEDD) – J. Marvin Herndon 2005 Yes - this is 100% my teachingCURRENT SCIENCE, VOL. 89, NO. 11, 10 DECEMBER 2005 Cornell University Library - arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0507001The Fluid Dynamics of Whole Earth decompression Theory ( FD-WEDT) – David Freed 2006 Yes - this is 100% my teachingponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=FDWEDT1The Biblical consequences of an expanding earth : fluid dynamics of whole earth decompression theory vol. 1 Freed, David.(Author). Book Book (2012.) available at NOBLE (All Libraries). Phillips Academy. phillips.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/3225396?locg=49The Biblical Consequences of an Expanding Earth: The Fluid Dynamics of Whole Earth Decompression Theory Paperback – March 28, 2012 by David Freed MLS (Author) www.amazon.com/Biblical-Consequences-Expanding-Earth-Decompression/dp/1460958535/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333539490&sr=1-1-spellGnostic Christianity 101Yes - this is 100% my teaching
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Post by rob on Dec 8, 2023 14:37:39 GMT -5
Greetings Dave Dave" So mediums can become mediums and use the medium (HS) for evil? Do you make any sense? Archon (principalities) were never angels – they are OT shedim – demons Created by God for God - Col 1:16 - Rev 4:11 - John 1:3Rob" Rabbi Cahn does not use principalities to mean archons Dave, nor does Rabbi Cahn speak of the principalities as entities like your satanas claim. Listen to what He does say, is very different to your view. Have you considered that? youtu.be/p0h2GDkqtbY21 minute, when you listen pay attention to his words He labels Satan as the Diablos, the same term as demon same term for Serpent. Nothing like your view. He does not split Satan, a prosecutor angel from the Satanas demon, and angel entities of darkness. No Pastor Cahn joins all these words into a single principality. Nothing like your view. So He doesn't speak of the orgin of shedim, so his truth is incomplete, but at least it is accurate. Dave" Archon (principalities) do not have Free Will – they are created for a purpose
Rob"I quote from the Return of the Gods by Rabbi Cahn " The dragon represented the god Marduk, who, in Babylonian mythology, was a lover of Ishtar. In the Bible the dragon, of course, is also a symbol of Satan." Rob" So your views are debunked Dave, by this statement. "In the pagan world the serpent was often seen as a source of divine wisdom. But in the Bible the serpent is a symbol of darkness, of the satanic or demonic realm. Rob" Another statement saying Serpent is of the satanixc demon realm, not a satanas being as you claim. Explain to me how a being can have "divine wisdom" without having "Free will"?
"It would also produce movements, organizations, and religions dedicated to Satan worship. Explain to me how a being can ask for "worship" without having "Free will"?So the entities were designed by GOD to be worshipped too? And get sacrifices from humans too? Even kill innocent babies? All created for this purpose? What kind of God do you follow Dave, not the same one I follow? Dave" Why do you call NT scripture blindness? error? Wrong?Rob" Not scripture, but Rabbi Cahn's words? Can't you read them properly? Dave" Done – completed – over with – read commented and posted I participate – do you?ROB" So even when two Jewish writers disagree with you, you still write "Done – completed – over with " so you refuse to listen to a Rabbi you said you support? Dave" Did you just quote me? NO YOU DID NOT You just wrote words into my mouth – so you can argue against yourselfROB" No Dave, I have checked out the Rabbi and find he may be a Mason in disguise. Sure he speaks my views, not your views, but this does not make him a true prophet. He may be a false prophet, deceiving people with truth. Nevertheless he is not supporting your view. And all you say about this is " Done – completed – over with "
Dave" Spirit does not exist – but angelic spirits can use the non-existent spirit for evil
Where is you answer?ROB" Since you are unwilling to listen to Rabbi Cahn and Naomi Wolf, both Jews, and your attitude is " Done – completed – over with " , as a last restort you mock and attack me instead... I have explain myself many times before Dave. I do not need to repeat myself to you, just because Jews speak against your views. Dave" Yep = "(angelic - word striked out by DAVE) messenger entities of darkness" – That Paul and Luke + James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas all call ARCHON - So you intentionally remove words you do not like from the Rabbi, in order to place your own theories....Dave" I also pose Rabbi Cahn parallels the above use of words with angels "(angelic - word striked out by DAVE) messengers of light, thus the word "angelic""(angelic - word striked out by DAVE) messenger stems from real angels messengers. I agreeROB" Oh so removing words from certain writers you can now agree with them, just as you do with Scripture too, you remove verses you do not like and suddenly the Scriptures are following your view. How nice for you. RObPP" Because you are making archons into "angelic "(angelic - word striked out by DAVE) messenger entities of darkness" is incorrect as my understanding of Rabbi Cahn's book.Dave "Are you sure you are just play another word game out of desperation?ROB" Who gives you the right to strike out my words and the words of a Jewish writer, because it suits your theories to do so? Dave" You proof read my paper on the subject Have you looked at: Job and John: The Satans Ronan James Head (last paragraph) We think we have reached an understanding of the satans versus Satan.ROB" How does this source show "Satanas" and "Archons" being used? I do not see these words anywhere?
Dave" When the satans become Satan, it is only and forever entropy and darkness without meaning, worlds without end
ROB" How does this source show "Satanas" and "Archons" being used? I do not see these words anywhere? ROBPP" Rabbi Cahn does not speak of Satanas.Dave" Nope – he calls them Principalities / archonROB" Only if you strike out the terms he used " angels" and " angelic entities". Dave" Rabbi Cahn – he and I be mates – same theology – same Messianic Jewish TheologyRob" Really? you believe this, even though you strike out the the terms he used "angels" and " angelic entities". So if I started using principalities all the time, suddenly I would be writing your views too. Wow. Dave" Be honest - demonic entities are, by nature, at war with the worship of God.ROb" Why would a loving Father design a creature to intentionally remove the worship of humans from the Father to the Beast? Have you read Rabbi Cahn's book the return of the gods, they do not sound like a designed entity to me, by the Father, wanting humans to love Him. Dave" Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.ROB" SO this Gnostic writing is more important to you above Rabbi Cahn's book and even the Bible itself? "The Archon and the Great Contest Freed, David. - Book Book (2014.) available at NOBLE (All Libraries). Phillips Academy. phillips.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/3621779?locg=49" OH you published your book way back in 2014, no wonder you must uphold your own book above others at all cost. 372 pages wow, does this book include references to other scholars who agree with you, using words like "Satanas" and :"Archons" ? The Biblical consequences of an expanding earth : fluid dynamics of whole earth decompression theory vol. 1 Freed, David.(Author). Book Book (2012.) available at NOBLE (All Libraries). Phillips Academy. phillips.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/3225396?locg=49 Oh a second book published 2012? Impressive DO you have any facts on the number of both books sold over the years? So in your book, care to cope and paste scholars who use the words "archon" and "satanas", I would love to read this. In fact your theory cannot be verified unless others have published these words as well. I noticed you have published 9 books ? This is really impressive Dave. Dads Don't Babysit: Towards Equal Parenting by David Freed S'ṿeṭ ḳumen a tsayṭ =: s'vet kumen a tzait by David Freed The Kill Circle by David Freed First published in 2017 -------------------------- Download The Archon and the Great Contest (Pondering Confusion) (Volume 2) Books Can't download your book to read? Do you allow people to read your book for free?------------- In the "Forgotten Book of Eden" Rutherford Platt wrote in the preface: "We are active, restless both in body and mind. Curiosity has replaced blind faith". This describes the theme of David Freed's book in that he presents nothing but factual information for one to incorporate into their own beliefs. It is extremely informative and well presented to make for a fast and enjoyable read. My faith was strengthened by this challenging read and I look forward to David's next book.ROB" So Rutherford Platt liked your book, full of facts and factual information . wow, can I download a copy and read these facts myself please? ======================== ======================== PS youtu.be/bLmgRq8eI3w 5 minutes " She grinds away the masculinity of men" from ancient text She ended up destroying her lovers. Rage of the goddess, seeks to remove men from marriage She attacks fatherhood. Boys are taken away as providers and protectors shedim - root word - destroyer youtu.be/F4S0UNmO5cYThe Animal Men ancient spirit - entities are returning USA is becoming a pagan religion line between man and animal is blurred gods are combinations of humans and animals America turns away from God, we are ungoing change exaltation of animals as human.... ancients carved animals with human images. scientists change DNA into animals into human DNA we are now paganism into a new level Who are these dark masters. youtu.be/8E-DscEsMW0Baal Hebrew means master or owner that which masters you Baalim, means many Baal's different Baals Lord of the flies come from this, many owners Money or sex or drugs that masters you youtu.be/UHEApPOQVtk48 minutes Jonathan Cahn - The Fallen Angel MJAA Messiah Conference 2016 -Jonathan Cahn sermons 487 views Sep 29, 2016 transcript: all the eschatological or end times and your calling how you are fallen from
5:31 heaven Morning star son of the dawn how you are cut down to the ground you weaken the nations for 5:38 you said in your heart I will ascend into heaven I will exalt my throne above the stars of God I will sit on the Mount 5:44 of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north I will ascend to the heights of the clouds I will be like the 5:51 Most High at the dawn of existence and aim gellick being turns from light to 5:57 darkness and declares he will ascend and sit on the throne of God thus he must destroy the works of God God said let 6:04 there be and there was this fallen being says let there be not let there ceased 6:09 to be he becomes the destroyer of the works of God God created the universe then he brought forth a new work he 6:17 brought into the world a people a new nation the children of Israel the Jewish people and he said you are my witness 6:23 the Jewish people the very existence of the Jew is the witness that God exists 6:30 but if the children of Israel are the witness of God on earth then the one who says I will sit on the throne of God 7:40 beyond time and space it's irrational because it's demonic the Jewish people 7:45 are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel in Zechariah 3 Satan is 7:51 accusing the Jewish people the true Joshua the high priest representing them and the book of Revelation records 7:57 Michael wars against the dragon Satan but in Daniel 12 it says that Michael stands for the Jewish people so the 8:04 devil's chief adversary in warfare is the defender of the Jewish people and the dragon wars against a woman who gave 8:12 birth to Messiah that's Israel the war of the dragon against the Jewish people the enemy hates the Jewish people with a 8:19 satanic fury and so the Jewish history is a supernatural phenomenon that bears 8:25 witness both to the existence of God and that of the fallen angel known as Satan 8:32 the link is so direct that even the name Satan is Jewish Hebrew comes from the
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Hebrew word Satan from the Hebrew root to certain is to resist he's the 8:43 resister it means to accuse he's the accuser needs to attack he's the attacker in the Hebrew of Zechariah 3 it 8:50 says that Satan he sought ons the Jewish people he especially sought tongs 1 8:56 people so that's why the Jewish people are so accused so resisted so attacked ROB" I have enough of the words of the Rabbi to refute Dave. Thanks Rabbi, at last I find your words nicely. Watch the video Dave, Rabbi Cahn does not support your view. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2023 15:58:20 GMT -5
Rob" Rabbi Cahn does not use principalities to mean archons Dave, nor does Rabbi Cahn speak of the principalities as entities like your satanas claim. DUH – who are the principalities of the NT? Paul and Luke + James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas called then archon
"The dragon represented the god Marduk, who, in Babylonian mythology, was a lover of Ishtar. In the Bible the dragon, of course, is also a symbol of Satan." Rob" So your views are debunked Dave, by this statement. Nope my view = the dragon deceives the whole world and ares the devils and satanas of the whole world – Jist as scripture says – Rev 12:9
"In the pagan world the serpent was often seen as a source of divine wisdom. But in the Bible the serpent is a symbol of darkness, of the satanic or demonic realm. Rob" Another statement saying Serpent is of the satanixc demon realm, not a satanas being as you claim. Yep – the serpent = the dragon = the devils = the satanas = the BEAST
Explain to me how a being can have "divine wisdom" without having "Free will"? Intelligence has nothing to do with Free Will
"It would also produce movements, organizations, and religions dedicated to Satan worship. Explain to me how a being can ask for "worship" without having "Free will"? Archon / cows / anys – do not have Free Will Creatures and objects become gods – because man gives them power Please explain the Free Will of the Golden Calf – a statue of gold
So the entities were designed by GOD to be worshipped too? Nope – just created by God to deceive man Man makes them gods – man made Caesar god – Ellen White makes your satan a god
Dave" Done – completed – over with – read commented and posted I participate – do you? ROB" So even when two Jewish writers disagree with you, you still write "Done – completed – over with " so you refuse to listen to a Rabbi you said you support?
I did a complete review of you post – Messianic Judaism does not disagree with me
Dave" Spirit does not exist – but angelic spirits can use the non-existent spirit for evil Where is you answer? I have explain myself many times before Dave Then why doesn’t anyone understand what you mean?
ROB" Oh so removing words from certain writers you can now agree with them RObPP" Because you are making archons into "angelic "(angelic - word striked out by DAVE) messenger entities of darkness" is incorrect as my understanding of Rabbi Cahn's book. Dave "Are you sure you are just play another word game out of desperation? ROB" Who gives you the right to strike out my words and the words of a Jewish writer, because it suits your theories to do so?
G32 - ἄγγελος – aggelos – (to bring tidings); a messenger;
ROBPP" Rabbi Cahn does not speak of Satanas. Dave" Nope – he calls them Principalities / archon ROB" Only if you strike out the terms he used "angels" and "angelic entities".
G32 - ἄγγελος – aggelos – (to bring tidings); a messenger
So if I started using principalities all the time, suddenly I would be writing your views too. Wow. Yep – Principalities were created by God for God
Dave" Be honest - demonic entities are, by nature, at war with the worship of God. ROb" Why would a loving Father design a creature to intentionally remove the worship of humans from the Father to the Beast? Have you read Rabbi Cahn's book the return of the gods, they do not sound like a designed entity to me, by the Father, wanting humans to love Him.
Rabbi Cahn is a Jew – therefore he sees the principalities / other gods / archon / demons as obstilces to overcome – they are obstacle placed in our way as a hinderance
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; God established the contest – God did it
Dave" Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit. ROB" SO this Gnostic writing is more important to you above Rabbi Cahn's book and even the Bible itself?
This 1st century commentary accurately summarizes Jewish theology – therefore the theology of Jesus, His Disciple, and His followers – the original Christianity found within the Book of Acts
I noticed you have published 9 books ? This is really impressive Dave. You are such an ass and proof of your research skill + proof to your dedication to the truth and honesty
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In the "Forgotten Book of Eden" Rutherford Platt wrote in the preface: "We are active, restless both in body and mind. Curiosity has replaced blind faith". This describes the theme of David Freed's book in that he presents nothing but factual information for one to incorporate into their own beliefs. It is extremely informative and well presented to make for a fast and enjoyable read. My faith was strengthened by this challenging read and I look forward to David's next book. ROB" So Rutherford Platt liked your book, full of facts and factual information . wow, can I download a copy and read these facts myself please?
I really have no idea what you are talking about - Rutherford Platt died in 1975
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Post by rob on Dec 8, 2023 21:06:27 GMT -5
Greetings Dave Yes please send me the book, 8MB is large but my email can handle this. I trust the book comes with references using the words "archon" and "satanas" ? I tried to email it – but I cannot sent it Slow data rate of my phone – on a large file the connection times-out
I could go into town to use the School, Library, or The Mercantile But then – I realized why the Lord interrupted me8:56 - ROB" I have enough of the words of the Rabbi to refute Dave. Thanks Rabbi, at last I find your words nicely. Watch the video Dave, Rabbi Cahn does not support your view. Robert watched <9 minutes of a 48 minute video and already made his conclusion How and When Did Satan Become the God of this World?By James Tabor 42min I don't need to listen to the rest of the video ALready 8 minutes in he agrees with me 1) The Opposers is a fallen angel Robert watched 8 minutes of a 42 minute video and already made his conclusionThis only speaks to how disingenuous Robert is – a complete lack of Academic seriousnessHe is not here to discuss – or study – he is just here to disrupt Who can possibly take him serious? Just more Ellen White satan worship Robert is not fooling anyone. We say, be humble, learn, and grow. Robert has evidently took one lesson from this Jeff Brenner guy and now knows more than all the world’s translators. Invented his own translation method that has yet to be proven reliable. Once caught on an obvious contradiction, or outright fabrication, does he learn and relent? The answer to that is also obvious. Instead he continues to push his corruption agenda. I have met many Roberts in my life. 1. Either he is not very bright, and is completely brain washed by a cultish doctrine. 2. Or he is not very bright, and cannot see his own error. 3. He is looking for a reason to justify his doubt. If he can tear down our beliefs his doubts will be justified. Of these, if a person is unwilling to be open and honest, then they are not ready to receive. 4. He is an active agent for misinformation, working for the wrong side, spreading satanic filth as Christian tradition. We would excuse Robert from out advanced classes. The only voice you would hear would be Robert’s preventing the class from proceeding and deliberately spoiling it for every else in the class. “Behavior that a reasonable faculty member would view as interfering with normal academic functions.” Robert complains that people do not return his emails. Maybe he gets one response out of common courtesy, but no conversation. He claims to be frustrated by this and does not understand why. Either he is not very bright, and cannot see his own folly, or he is looking for a reason to justify his own doubt / disbelief. If he can tear down our beliefs his own doubts will be justified. As a favor of friendship I asked you to prof read my paper for grammar and my terrible spelling – you blew me off – and didn’t even bother to appoligiseIf you want a copy – consult my web-site – Amazon – or request it at your local Library The Archon and the Great ContestFreed, David. - Book Book (2014.) available at NOBLE (All Libraries). Phillips Academy. phillips.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/3621779?locg=49The Archon and the Great Contest (Pondering Confusion) Paperback – October 31, 2014 by David Freed Th.D. (Author) www.amazon.com/Archon-Great-Contest-Pondering-Confusion/dp/1495252388/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AL3SRQGM3C3&keywords=archon+and+the+great+contest&qid=1702047580&s=books&sprefix=archon+and+the+great+contest%2Cstripbooks%2C239&sr=1-1Four years ago – I offered to send you a free copy – because I thought we were both Christian believers – brothers in Christ – Friends – both serious students of scriptureYou have dispelled all my illusions Buy it or borrow it I am not going to give it to you in electronic form so you can TAKE SENTENCES OUT OF CONTEXT to corrupt the text and post it here I trust the book comes with references using the words "archon" and "satanas" ?DUH – it is all about the Archon"satanas"The Book is not targeted to scholars – but to a more general audience Dedication: To my girls Reality is so much larger than your classroom. I hope you become interested enough to pursue these truths for yourselves. Remember that your ability to understand is clouded by your passions. Be objective. Be honest and through your quest for truth, may you realize your maximum potential in this realm; as I continue to love you from the next. A detailed discussion of the Greek – is not / was not - requited to write the book or make the point.Pondering Confusion Vol. II The Archon and the Great Contest Contents: 10 | Introduction: Gnostic Christianity What is it? What it is not! | 19 | What is the difference between Scripture and The Bible? | 51 | The Mark of Cain | 68 | Roman Thought Police | 87 | Forbidden Text – Autogenesis of the Archon | 134 | Genesis 6 - Gnostic Archons, Hebrew Nephilim, and the Watchers of Enoch | 152 | The Archon’s Spiritual Return to Post-Flood Scripture | 202 | The Archon’s Physical Return to Post-Flood Scripture | 238 | The Archon’s Physical Return to Post-Flood Secular Reality | 278 | The Great Contest | 330 | Epilogue | 340 | References |
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Post by Dave on Dec 9, 2023 4:52:02 GMT -5
Robert asked me to watch this video – but he did notRobert only watched <9 minutes of a 48 minute video and already made his conclusion – by picking up on a few words How and When Did Satan Become the God of this World?
By James Tabor 42min I don't need to listen to the rest of the video ALready 8 minutes in he agrees with me 1) The Opposers is a fallen angel Robert watched 8 minutes of a 42 minute video and already made his conclusionThis only speaks to how disingenuous Robert is – a complete lack of seriousnessHe is not here to discuss – or study – he is just here to disrupt Who can possibly take him serious? Just more Ellen White satan worship Just because I had the time – and I like Rabbi Cahn – I did watch this Yes – there is a phrase or two that I would not say But – his overall message is right-on --------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Cahn - The Fallen Angel MJAA Messiah Conference 2016 -Jonathan Cahn sermons 487 views Sep 29, 2016 4:14 – America is paralleling Israel – we are not just falling from God we are running away 4:49 – deep seated religious beliefs must be changed - overthrown 5:31 all the eschatological or end times and your calling how you are fallen from heaven Morning star son of the dawn how you are cut down to the ground you weaken the nations for 5:38 you said in your heart I will ascend into heaven I will exalt my throne above the stars of God I will sit on the Mount 5:44 of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north I will ascend to the heights of the clouds I will be like the 5:51 Most High at the dawn of existence and aim gellick being turns from light to 5:57 darkness and declares he will ascend and sit on the throne of God thus he must destroy the works of God God said let 6:04 there be and there was this fallen being says let there be not let there ceased 6:09 to be he becomes the destroyer of the works of God 1- at the dawn of existence and aim gellick being turns from light to darkness Not scriptural is it Gen 1:1 creation Gen 1:2 darkness Gen 1:3 Light God illuminates the darkness2- to be he becomes the destroyer of the works of God Agree – entropy – destroyer of all creation6:17 God created the universe then he brought forth a new work he brought into the world a people a new nation the children of Israel the Jewish people and he said you are my witness 6:23 the Jewish people the very existence of the Jew is the witness that God exists Absolutely agree – Jer 1:56:30 but if the children of Israel are the witness of God on earth then the one who says I will sit on the throne of God 6:38-39 – if the Israel are the people who are called to witness for God the the one who want to sit on the throne is against them – the destroyer opposes man / Israel - NOT GOD 7:36 – He says – ANTI-SEMITISM it is all a ‘fallen messenger phenomena’ He says – anti-Jewish people is all a ‘fallen messenger phenomena’ He says – anti-man all a ‘fallen messenger phenomena’ – the destroyer opposes man / Israel - NOT GOD
7:40 beyond time and space it's irrational because it's demonic the Jewish people Nope – he say to wipe the witness of God off the face of the earth – be honest 7:45 are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel in Zechariah 3 Be honest - are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel. Next paragraph - In Zechariah 3 is opposing the Jewish peopleSatan is 7:51 accusing the Jewish people the true Joshua the high priest representing them and the book of Revelation records 7:57 Michael wars against the dragon Satan but in Daniel 12 it says that Michael stands for the Jewish people so the 8:04 devil's chief adversary in warfare is the defender of the Jewish people and the dragon wars against a woman who gave 8:12 birth to Messiah that's Israel the war of the dragon against the Jewish people the enemy hates the Jewish people with a 8:19 satanic fury and so the Jewish history is a supernatural phenomenon that bears 8:16 the war of the dragon against the Jewish people Absolutely agree - satan is opposing the Jewish people
The enemy hates the Jewish people with a satanic furry Absolutely agree - satan is opposing the Jewish people8:25 witness both to the existence of God and that of the fallen angel known as Satan Absolutely agree - satan is opposing the Jewish people8:32 the link is so direct that even the name Satan is Jewish Hebrew comes from the 8:38 Hebrew word Satan from the Hebrew root to certain is to resist he's the 8:43 resister it means to accuse he's the accuser needs to attack he's the attacker in the Hebrew of Zechariah 3 it Yep - Zec 3 – G4566 satan of Hebrew origin8:50 says that Satan he sought ons the Jewish people he especially sought tongs 1 8:56 people so that's why the Jewish people are so accused so resisted so attacked ROB" I have enough of the words of the Rabbi to refute Dave. Thanks Rabbi, at last I find your words nicely. Watch the video Dave, Rabbi Cahn does not support your view.9:00 – satan satans the Jewish people 9:30 Hitler and the Nazi Party – anti Jewish He was possessed – sure possessing one man changes a lot The party was possessed - sure – indoctrination – rally the people 11:40 – the Beast attacks Israel – to prevent the end of the Beast Today – that would be Allah + Iblis + the Jinn11:45 - the enemy also wars against Christians – believers Not a physical people – a spiritual people 12:00 – the enemy has persecuted Israel from the very beginning 12:30 – the enemy attacking his congregation during a sermon People having seizers being thrown to the floor – multiple ambulances called 13:20 – the enemy wars against Israel and spiritually against Christians 13:50 - most Christian do not understand the magnitude of the war that we are in 14:30 – we are in a battle – a championship bout and if we do not know what we are fighting against we do not have a chance 18:50 – the enemy is a serpent19:30 – the enemy will enter any gap in your life 20:30 – get closer to God – the enemy cannot get you there 20:45 – get active with your prayer life – it is a shield and your sword is the word of God 21:00 – our praise is a weapon against the enemy 21:10 – you cannot fight SPIRIT with your flesh21:35 – the Bible says the enemy is a serpent 22:15 – keep standing – be diligent – be persistent – and you will outlast the enemy 22:30 – some serpent seek eggs – a play on Eve’s seed vs satan’s seed The serpent is attempting to spoil our future lineage 23:25 – Rabbi Cahn is invited to India to walk in the footsteps of THOMAS Many troubles happened as soon as he agreed to go to the hill where Thomas was killed Problem after problem – man after man – act like a hindrance Rabbi Cahn talks about the spiritual war against him As Rabbi Cahn tries to pray – a man has a seizure Back at home – women problems – one problem after another 30:00 – to suffer all these attacks in our live IS A JOY – we should CELIBRATE We should be encourage as to the truth to this spiritual warfare 31:00 – a list of secular laws against Christian Schools – and evangelism Secular world – pro-transgenderism – anti-scripture – DISNEY – MOVIES – CARTOONS 32:30 – we are the FIRST FRUITS of the end-times 32:50 – he says the revival of Messianic Judaism – is a sign of the end-times People call him the end-times Rabbi 33:30 – Rabbi Cahn and Glenn Beck Rabbi Cahn explains how it is actually Jewish to believe in Jesus We are the harbinger 37:40 – it was the enemy’s attack that forced them out of their old church building But it led them to find the perfect location 37:45 – we are not to fear the attack of the enemy If we stand in God – we will not be defeated The enemy’s attack is your opportunity to shine Man means it as an evil against you but God uses it for good 38:40 – WWII – the dragon wanted to destroy the Jewish people 43:00 – 2000 years ago it was all about the new Messianic Jews Now nearing the end-times another Messianic Jewish Revival And the calling to fight ---------------------------------------------- ============================================== ---------------------------------------------- Rabbi Cahn does not support your viewHmmmm?99% of the video is about satan, who is a serpent, opposing man 99% of this video is about our spiritual warfare with our real enemy It is true – he made a reference to Isa 14 6:38-39 – if the Israel are the people who are called to witness for God the the one who want to sit on the throne is against them – the destroyer opposes man / Israel - NOT GOD 7:36 – He says – ANTI-SEMITISM it is all a ‘fallen messenger phenomena’ He says – anti-Jewish people is all a ‘fallen messenger phenomena’ He says – anti-man is all a ‘fallen messenger phenomena’ – the destroyer opposes man / Israel - NOT GOD 7:40 beyond time and space it's irrational because it's demonic the Jewish people Yep – demons – shedim / archon / Jinn-------------------------------------- I also noticed Robert deliberate attempt to misrepresent the truthBe honest - are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel. Next paragraph - In Zechariah 3 is opposing the Jewish people--------------------------------------------- Fallen angel Luk 10:18 … I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out --------------------------------------, Rabbi Cahn calls satan – the serpent – the devil – a demon – and the dragonRev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and satanas, which deceiveth the whole world Rabbi Cahn says man is in a spiritual warfare against this serpent enemyEph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, Eph 6:12 ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἡμῖν ἡ πάλη πρὸς αἷμα καὶ σάρκα, ἀλλὰ πρὸς τὰς ἀρχάς Rabbi Cahn never says – there are two gods in heaven locked in a cosmic struggle Rabbi Cahn never refers to Ezk 28 – or cherubs Rabbi Cahn never speak about a rebellion - satan hating God - or Opposing God - especially opposing God's right to rule the universe
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Post by rob on Dec 9, 2023 15:20:35 GMT -5
Greetings Dave"
Dave" Robert watched 8 minutes of a 42 minute video and already made his conclusion This only speaks to how disingenuous Robert is – a complete lack of Academic seriousness ROB" Really Dave, have you not heard of the term "by beholding we are changed" I will not spend much time reading false writings, because you open the mind to influence.
You need to address your scholar problems? Where are scholars who use the term "archons:" as creatures created by God and the term "satanas" as the correct being in the scriptures for shedim.
So far you have not supplied a single scholar who agrees with you.
Nov 8, 2023 at 1:49am Richard said: Robert has evidently took one lesson from this Jeff Brenner guy and now knows more than all the world’s translators. Invented his own translation method that has yet to be proven reliable.
ROB" Nicely said Richard, you are correct. My theories of faith are just that, theories. And unless I can find 2 or 3 people willing to support my ideas, they remain only speculation at best. I have never said my work is fully complete, it is my two pennies in trying to understand the torah and the truth of GOD in the torah. Yes my work is yet to be proven reliable.
Dave" Robert complains that people do not return his emails. Maybe he gets one response out of common courtesy, but no conversation. He claims to be frustrated by this and does not understand why. Either he is not very bright, and cannot see his own folly, or he is looking for a reason to justify his own doubt / disbelief. If he can tear down our beliefs his own doubts will be justified.
ROB" Hmm? I have a book God inspired me to get, "How to win Friends, and influence people " by Dale Carnegie, ( yes I do buy books from Vinnies for $1) I have read this book many times, Hmm? Maybe I need a different tact? However being socially minded is not a trait for me.
Why don't people email you back? Is because they are too busy with their own self, full of pride and have no room for humble truth. I must congratulate Dave in being the only human I have ever met willing to converse with me for so long... Thanks Dave. Dave" As a favor of friendship I asked you to prof read my paper for grammar and my terrible spelling – you blew me off – and didn’t even bother to appoligise ROb" Oh I am sorry, did you write your request in this way? Dave" Buy it or borrow it I am not going to give it to you in electronic form so you can TAKE SENTENCES OUT OF CONTEXT to corrupt the text and post it here ROb" I see.
Dave" DUH – it is all about the Archon ROb" Perhaps you are the first person to use this word freely, hence why there is no scholarly support for the idea, this will follow in later years by others? As Richard might also say of your ideas "your work is yet to be proven reliable" . ==================================
Dave" Robert only watched <9 minutes of a 48 minute video and already made his conclusion – by picking up on a few words
Dave uses the same words for Rob watching 8 minutes of the 42 minute of Tabor.
This only speaks to how disingenuous Robert is – a complete lack of seriousness
Just because I had the time – and I like Rabbi Cahn – I did watch this
Yes – there is a phrase or two that I would not say
But – his overall message is right-on
ROb" Hmm?
Dave" 7:45 are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel in Zechariah 3 Be honest - are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel. Next paragraph - In Zechariah 3 is opposing the Jewish people ROB" You must be blind if you cannot see Rabbi Cahn is different to your view?
Dave" 99% of the video is about satan, who is a serpent, opposing man ROb" Yes, but not once did Cahn use the word "satanas" he uses the word "satan"
Dave" It is true – he made a reference to Isa 14 ROB" SO why you not willing to see the "fallen angel" idea Cahn speaks about?
Dave" I also noticed Robert deliberate attempt to misrepresent the truth 7:45 are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel in Zechariah 3 Be honest - are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel. Next paragraph - In Zechariah 3 is opposing the Jewish people ROB" OH so this is not plain enough for you?
Dave" Rabbi Cahn calls satan – the serpent – the devil – a demon – and the dragon ROB" He does not term Satan as a Prosecuting angel, he uses the term "fallen angel" instead and than next sentence, the "fallen angel" is opposing the Jewish people. Correctly posted by Dave.
He does not term Satan as a different creature satanas. ========================
Today is Snnday Dave, I have to go to work now for another week, take your time is posting material I ask for. I have read my of your materials, and listened to many hours of your videos.
I have to agree with Richard you wrote his words for me, but they equally apply to you...
You have presented a religious idea that is not yet proven reliable. Where is your Scholars who support you?
Not even Rob Skiba uses the terms "Archons" and "Satanas". He uses the term "nephilim" instead and follows Jewish ideas of these Gen 6 verses. You have not supplied me with a scholar who uses "Archons" and "Satanas" as creatures who are "shedim" destroying humans in the last days. Your Rabbi Cahn is completely different to your views.
Go through your book you published and post the Scholars or References to those who support your views? That should be easy.
-------------------- Just for your information: I asked BingAI a question:-
ROB" Is there any religions that use "archons" and "Satanas" in their religion?
BINGAI" Yes, there are some religions that use the term “archons” to refer to beings that are similar to Satan. In Gnosticism and religions closely related to it, archons are the builders of the physical universe and are rulers, each related to one of seven planets; they prevent souls from leaving the material realm1. The Archontics, Ophites, and Sethians are some of the groups that believe in archons1. In Manichaeism, the archons are the rulers of a realm within the “Kingdom of Darkness”, who together make up the Prince of Darkness1.
However, I could not find any direct reference to the name “Satanas” being used as an archon in any religion. It is possible that the name is used in a different context or by a different group. If you have more information about this, please let me know. I read much about Mani, the Manichaeism religion, was common in the Roman days, and wiped out by Rome, not by Roman Catholics, this came later. And I found Mani was influenced by Zoastor, so you really twist history some what, but than I do not know much about Mani either. You the religion you wish to support is called the Manichaeism religion. They even influenced Chinese.
So in conclusion Dave, your theories of "archons" might find some support, but your ideas of "Archons" as "Satanas" finds no support.
It is really up to you to prove the "Satanas" being really exists out there because nobody supports you. I have tried to find somebody or something, but I have to give up. Not that I wish to discredit you, no, I wish to help you develop your theories of faith, so others can see them fully. Whether they support you or not is up to their own free will. Tabor is not willing to use the "words", he at best as you say presented the idea, without making too much about it.
As false SDA pastor Ratscliff spoke to me via email, I have congregations that support me in assemblies, why should I listen to you? Correct? Deceivers love the attention of their followers, they do not listen to the Sola Scriptoria of truth.
And the false SDA humble James Stump offshoot, who talked for hours in a secret SDA meeting once day, I purchased that book of 450 pages that the HS is just a force of the Father. And God inspired me to read Interlinear Bible software, so much for people who promote false ideas of the Toran.
Even Restitution Ministries is another false SDA offshoot religion, that refuses to discuss matters with me, People do not want truth these days, they want what their itching ears will hear. Confusion abounds, as we both ponder confusion.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 9, 2023 17:59:25 GMT -5
Dave" Robert watched 8 minutes of a 42 minute video and already made his conclusion This only speaks to how disingenuous Robert is – a complete lack of Academic seriousness Correct - Robert does not even try to be academic All he wants to do is praise his satan as a god You need to address your scholar problems? So far you have not supplied a single scholar who agrees with you Now Robert is just lying to make his point I have supplied many articles all address the same issue Hebrew satan is an angel of the Lord working for the Lord NT satanas - is a completely different creature with a different function
Where are scholars who use the term "archons:" as creatures created by God and the term "satanas" as the correct being in the scriptures for shedim. Now Robert is just lying to make his point I have supplied many articles all address the same issue Hebrew satan (G4566 of hebrew origin) is an angel of the Lord working for the Lord NT satanas - (G4567 of Chaldean origin) is a completely different creature with a different function
Nov 8, 2023 at 1:49am Richard said: Robert has evidently took one lesson from this Jeff Brenner guy and now knows more than all the world’s translators. Invented his own translation method that has yet to be proven reliable. ROB" Nicely said Richard, you are correct. Giggle giggle – it is an insult and you agree It takes years to become proficient at translation You took one lesson and pretend your an expertDave" Buy it or borrow it I am not going to give it to you in electronic form so you can TAKE SENTENCES OUT OF CONTEXT to corrupt the text and post it here ROb" I see. You have not been honest or serious here - TAKING SENTENCES OUT OF CONTEXT to corrupt the text - is your modus operendi ================================== Dave" 99% of the video is about satan, who is a serpent, opposing man ROb" Yes, but not once did Cahn use the word "satanas" he uses the word "satan" Just your word game of denial Why do you deny NT scripture?Eph 6:12 ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἡμῖν ἡ πάλη πρὸς αἷμα καὶ σάρκα, ἀλλὰ πρὸς τὰς ἀρχάς, Col 1:16 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα, τὰ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, τὰ ὁρατὰ καὶ τὰ ἀόρατα, εἴτε θρόνοι, εἴτε κυριότητες εἴτε ἀρχαὶ εἴτε ἐξουσίαι· τὰ πάντα δι᾿ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται· OUR REAL STRUGGLE – ARCHON/PRINCIPALITIES MADE BY GOD FOR GODDave" I also noticed Robert deliberate attempt to misrepresent the truth 7:45 are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel in Zechariah 3Be honest - are dealing with nothing less than a fallen angel. Next paragraph - In Zechariah 3 satan is opposing the Jewish people ROB" OH so this is not plain enough for you? Yes – very plain – in Zec 3 hebrew satan was opposing the Jewish people - DUH Why must you lie to make your point?======================== You have presented a religious idea that is not yet proven reliable. You deny Judaism – Messianic Judaism – Mainstream Christianity – and Gnostic Christianity You deny it all to maintain your satan as a god ROB" Is there any religions that use "archons" and "Satanas" in their religion?BINGAI" Yes, there are some religions that use the term “archons” to refer to beings that are similar to Satan. In Gnosticism and religions closely related to it, archons are the builders of the physical universe and are rulers, each related to one of seven planets; they prevent souls from leaving the material realm1. The Archontics, Ophites, and Sethians are some of the groups that believe in archons1. In Manichaeism, the archons are the rulers of a realm within the “Kingdom of Darkness”, who together make up the Prince of Darkness1. First you say you can find no source – then post a sourceIt is really up to you to prove the "Satanas" being really exists out there My answer:Rev 12:9 καὶ ἐβλήθη ὁ δράκων ὁ μέγας, ὁ ὄφις ὁ ἀρχαῖος, ὁ καλούμενος Διάβολος καὶ ὁ Σατανᾶς, ὁ πλανῶν τὴν οἰκουμένην ὅλην, ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν γῆν, καὶ οἱ ἄγγελοι αὐτοῦ μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἐβλήθησαν. G4567 - Σατανᾶς – Satanas - Of Chaldee origin Used 36 times in 33 NT verses YES ABSOLUTELY the "Satanas" being really exists out thereThe real question is why do you call yourself a Christian and then deny New Testement scripture so you can teach satan is a god? -------------------------------------- (Wiki) Satanism
The Church of Satan has chosen Satan as its primary symbol because in Hebrew he represent the antagonist to God. Various small religious groups have emerged that identify as Satanist or use Satanic iconography. The Great Controversy and God's Love for Humanity
Adventist.org - www.adventist.org › the-great-controversy All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. The challange to you for four year now1- precept upon precept, line upon line - go though each verse about satan and demonstrate how he rebels, hates, and opposes God 2- OR provide a pre-Roman source validating your Ezk 28 satan god 3- added - you are to explain why Ellen White builds her teaching on Islamic advent math abouty the comming of the Islamic madih 4- added - explain - Ellen White's Covenant theology to us and why you dent 1948 Israel is prophetic 5- added - show us another Christian denomination that teaches satan is a god You have absolutley failed No one here will ever bow to your Ellen White and her satan godSo instead - you just try to tear down anything Judeo-Christian - to preserve your Ellen White false teaching
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Post by rob on Dec 13, 2023 14:58:22 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
I asked BingAI
ROb" "provide a pre-Roman source validating your Ezk 28 satan god"
BING" I’m sorry, but I’m not sure I understand your question. Could you please clarify what you mean by “pre-Roman source validating your Ezk 28 satan god”? Are you asking for a source that validates the existence of Satan as a god in the context of Ezekiel 28? If so, I’m afraid I cannot provide you with such a source. The Bible is the primary source of information on this topic, and there is no pre-Roman source that validates the existence of Satan as a god in the context of Ezekiel 28. However, there are several interpretations of the text, and some scholars believe that the passage refers to the King of Tyre rather than Satan. If you would like more information on this topic, I can try to help you find some resources. Please let me know if this is what you were looking for
ROB" I note "there is no pre-Roman source that validates the existence of Satan as a god in the context of Ezekiel 28."
I could also ask BINGAI about other aspects of Scripture nobody in the world knows about either?
ROB" What religion explains the Hebrew word "aven" as meaning English word "propensity" or "epigenetic potential" ?
BING" I’m sorry, but I couldn’t find any information on the Hebrew word “aven” being translated to “propensity” or “epigenetic potential” in any religion. “Aven” is a Hebrew word that is usually translated as “iniquity”, “trouble”, “wickedness”, or “vanity” depending on the context 1. It is used in the Old Testament of the Bible, particularly in the book of Hosea, where it is used to describe the sins of the people of Israel 12.
ROB" Wow I am surprised, Bing can't even read my own words in Spiritual Springs. In any case I am the only one seeing this Hebrew word, and this does not surprise me.
Rob to Bing "Discuss the third coming of Jesus to earth"?
BING" The concept of the third coming of Jesus is not a widely accepted belief in Christianity. According to the Bible, Jesus has already come to Earth once during his earthly ministry from approximately 4 BC - AD 28, and scripture calls for his eventual return to live on Earth again and reign as King for 1,000 years 1.
However, some people believe that there are three comings of Jesus from heaven to the earth. These are the three times when Jesus comes from heaven to reveal himself physically to humanity on the earth 2. The first coming of Jesus was his birth as a human being, the second coming is his return to Earth to establish his kingdom, and the third coming is his entrance into our hearts when he speaks to us through his Word, touches our hearts in prayer, and sanctifies us through the sacraments 34.
It is important to note that the concept of the third coming of Jesus is not a universally accepted belief in Christianity, and it is not mentioned in the Bible. It is a theological interpretation that some people hold.
Bing's reference is posted
"Some say the Church will be removed from the earth before the Second Coming of Jesus in a moment called the "Rapture," but I've never seen this taught in the Bible. Is this a "third Coming" of Jesus? Can you explain it to me?
There is no Biblical teaching concerning a "third coming" of Christ".
ROB" I see. The first coming was Jesus as a baby. The second coming is Jesus in the clouds. The third coming is here in the Scriptures:
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west...
This prophecy is very important because Jesus second coming, Jesus feet do not touch the earth, but during the third coming Jesus does touch the earth and walk upon the earth.
There are no further comings of Jesus to earth mentioned in Scripture.
So Dave I am not surprised nobody else would agree with me on some aspects of Scripture.
ROB to Bing" Does amanuah mean support, and is this any religion practicing this king of word meaning?
BING" The word amanuah does not exist in English. However, the word amanah is an Arabic word that means trust, honesty, and loyalty 1. In Islam, amanah refers to having integrity and using our free will to carry out our duties and responsibilities towards Allah and His creation in the correct way 1.
I am not aware of any religion that practices the word amanuah. However, the word amanah is a fundamental concept in Islam 1. It is used to refer to all the religious obligations, and it reflects the integral role amanah has to the Islamic religion and relationship with Allah 2.
ROB" Hmm? can't understand my spelling.
Rob to Bing" Does emunah mean support, and is this any religion practicing this this of word meaning?
BING" Emunah is a Hebrew word that is generally translated as faith 1. It is an innate conviction, a perception of truth that transcends, rather than evades, reason 1. Emunah is a fundamental concept in Judaism, and it is practiced by Jewish people throughout the ages 2.
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions
ROB" Hmm? SO there is not a single religion anywhere in the world that sees Emunah as "support"?
I am not surprised by this. Let's try another weird understand of Rob's faith.
ROb to Bing" What does the cela rock of salvation refer to?
BING" The term “rock of salvation” is a biblical reference to God. In the Old Testament, God is often referred to as a rock, which symbolizes his strength, stability, and protection. For example, in Psalm 18:2, it is written, “The Lord is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the strength of my salvation, and my stronghold” 1. The word “cela” is a Hebrew word that means “rock” or “cliff” 1. Therefore, the “cela rock of salvation” is a poetic way of referring to God as the rock of salvation.
I hope this helps!
ROB" I note the references
Learn more
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biblehub.com 2
whatchristianswanttoknow.com 3
preceptaustin.org
Not a single reference to Spiritual Springs.
And not what I asked for. In other words Bing does not answer my question.
BING does not evaluate similes, nor understand the inference of cela.
Let's try another question for Bing
"Is Jesus the YHWH in the Old Testament?"
BING" According to a discussion on Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange, the answer is No. In Romans 10:13, Paul is discussing the Lord Jesus, and in verse 13, he writes (NKJV, emphasis mine): For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” The reason “LORD” is capitalized by the New King James Version here is that in Joel 2:32, the original verse Paul quotes, the word used is YHWH. Yet Paul uses this verse in reference to Jesus. However, several modern versions do capitalize Lord in Rom 10:13 such as NLT, NKJV, LSV, etc. This is somewhat justified as the Rom 10:13 passage is unambiguously referencing Joel 2:32 as the OP has correctly pointed out1.
It is important to note that the use of the word YHWH in the Old Testament is a reference to God, and not to Jesus. Jesus is referred to as the Son of God in the New Testament 2.
I hope this helps clarify your question. Let me know if you have any other questions or if there’s anything else I can help you with.
ROB" Hmm" I disagree. Sadly not a single religion out there would agree with me on this theme.
So in Summary Dave, I can understand why you wish to adopt your own views, and why you seem to think they are valid.
I too, have my own unique views, and to me these views are valid too. Just because nobody agrees with Dave or Rob is besides the point.
You claim you have supplied scholars who use the Satanas word as a creature being different to Satan? Hmm? I have not read any such sentence you have posted on this? Not that you are required to Dave, but it would help validate your theories.
Now all my weird views listed here can be confirmed by Ellen White, but I would stress they are not commonly held by the SDA church at large. So as individual people, we are allowed to see Scripture in our own views.
I don't mind you seeing Satanas as a different creature Dave, but I can not read of any scholar who supports your view. You claim you have supplied such sentences, but even Bing cannot find such sentences. Actually I find BING is not such a good AI expert after all, it does not have 100% of all Internet material, and it's search happens too quickly. How can a database yield results looking into a trillion words that fast?
However I would like to see some people supporting your view Dave, with "archons" or with "satanas" ?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 13, 2023 23:13:48 GMT -5
ROb" "provide a pre-Roman source validating your Ezk 28 satan god" there is no pre-Roman source that validates the existence of Satan as a god in the context of Ezekiel 28. However, there are several interpretations of the text, and some scholars believe that the passage refers to the King of Tyre rather than Satan. If you would like more information on this topic, I can try to help you find some resources. Please let me know if this is what you were looking forROB" I note "there is no pre-Roman source that validates the existence of Satan as a god in the context of Ezekiel 28." Correct – there is no reference to your Ezk 28 self-made satan god ogf evil – until Rome invented him----------------------------------------- ROB" Hmm? SO there is not a single religion anywhere in the world that sees Emunah as "support"? I am not surprised by this. Let's try another weird understand of Rob's faith. You teach it is hard to be a Christian – you need to support God When asked how you do this you talk of saying the right prayers and doing religious things becace it is an action word What are the 4 pillars of faith?The Catholic Church identified four pillars of faith, namely creed, prayer, mass and sacraments, and Christian living and morality - Pope John Paul II How do you show faith in life?10 Simple Ways To Better Express Your Faith Listen with an open mind. Intelligent people are always ready to learn. ... Be slow to speak. ... Give generously. ... Pray about it. ... Be a peacemaker. ... Avoid negativity. ... Give people room to mess up. ... Keep your word. Share your faith in love Trust God to work You teach it is hard to be a Christian – you need to support God – do the right thingsJudeo-ChristianityWhat is the true definition of faith?Defining Faith - Definition of Faith — Compassion International Biblically, faith is considered a belief and trust in God based on evidence but without total proof. Easy – just believeIf you believe – you will never forget – never stop believing If you believe – you will be embarrassed to deliberately sin – causes change in behavior If you believe – you are saved Does everyone please the Lord equally – NO Some believers will reap rewards If you believe and are called – the baptism of the Holy Spirit is very real Some believers will reap rewards Some are First Fruits ------------------------------------------------------- "Is Jesus the YHWH in the Old Testament?" BING" According to a discussion on Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange, the answer is No. In Romans 10:13, Paul is discussing the Lord Jesus, and in verse 13, he writes (NKJV, emphasis mine): For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” The reason “LORD” is capitalized by the New King James Version here is that in Joel 2:32, the original verse Paul quotes, the word used is YHWH. Yet Paul uses this verse in reference to Jesus. However, several modern versions do capitalize Lord in Rom 10:13 such as NLT, NKJV, LSV, etc. This is somewhat justified as the Rom 10:13 passage is unambiguously referencing Joel 2:32 as the OP has correctly pointed out1. It is important to note that the use of the word YHWH in the Old Testament is a reference to God, and not to Jesus. Jesus is referred to as the Son of God in the New Testament 2. ROB" Hmm" I disagree. Sadly not a single religion out there would agree with me on this theme. With what - - what do you disagree with?The reason “LORD” is capitalized by the New King James Version / the word used in the original = HWH? Agree yes Yet Paul uses the same verse in reference to Jesus.? Agree yes YHWH in the Old Testament is a reference to God, and not to Jesus.? Agree yes – Jesus was not born until 6BC (Mat) or 6AD (Luk)Jesus is referred to as the Son of God in the New Testament? Agree yes – Born of Mary"Is Jesus the YHWH in the Old Testament?" NO – Christ is in the OTGenesis 18 - The LORD appeared to Abraham No man can see God an live The Holy Spirit is invisible Christ = the 3D image of God ---------------------------------- Just because nobody agrees with Dave or Rob is besides the point. I too, have my own unique views, and to me these views are valid too.ABSOLUTE SATANIC NONESENSEEvery pagan religion uses the exact same justification ABSOLTELY NOT OT or NT SCRIPTUR! So in Summary Dave, I can understand why you wish to adopt your own views, and why you seem to think they are valid. My views are 100% Chabad Judaism + Jesus Christ as the Messiah All base mainstream Christianity is just Gnostic Jewish Kabbalah All base mainstream Christianity is just Jewish mysticism
True Messianic Judaism existed in the first and second centuries AD A call back to the faith of the Book of Acts – Rabbi Cahn says A time of spirit led Pentecostal Messianic Jews A time when demonology = Jewish demonologyBefore Roman Catholicism was invented Before Ezk 28 self-made satan god of evil was invented Before anyone denied the spirit and the spiritual Before anyone taught satan as a god in heaven opposing God’s right to rule the universe ---------------------------------------- You claim you have supplied scholars who use the Satanas word as a creature being different to Satan? Hmm? I have not read any such sentence you have posted on this? Not that you are required to Dave, but it would help validate your theories. It would help if you would participate in the discussion"The Intimate and Ultimate Adversary: Satanology in Early Second-Century Christian Literature (Journal of Early Christian Studies)"The parallels between this argument and the argument between Robert and I are staggering ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/620/satanology-second-century-christian-literatureIt would help if you would participate in the discussionYour pretend ignorance is not endearing You cannot find a thread on this forum after 4 years – yeasr once offered to be my web-master? YOUR CREDIBILITY IS LACKING – BE SERIOUS Now all my weird views listed here can be confirmed by Ellen White, but I would stress they are not commonly held by the SDA church at large. So as individual people, we are allowed to see Scripture in our own views.
Yep – go your own way – follow a prophet instead of God FREE WILL Deny there is only One God Deny that Jesus Christ was God incarnate Deny the spirit Deny the baptism of the Holy Spirit Deny the gift of eternal life Deny that God is in control and this creation is exactly as he wanted it to be Deny that it is all God’s Plan and all God’s Will Free Will – deny every pillar of Judeo-Christianity Yep – go your own way – follow a prophet instead of God Worship a god of evil that can push the Creator around and force Him to change Pray to any one of your pantheon of pagans gods you want FREE WILL Personally – I seekTrue Messianic Judaism existed in the first and second centuries AD A call back to the faith of the Book of Acts – Rabbi Cahn says A time of spirit led Pentecostal Messianic Jews A time when demonology = Jewish demonology Before Roman Catholicism was invented Before Ezk 28 self-made satan god of evil was invented Before anyone denied the spirit and the spiritual Before anyone taught satan as a god in heaven opposing God’s right to rule the universe ------------------------------------------ I don't mind you seeing Satanas as a different creature Dave, but I can not read of any scholar who supports your view. You claim you have supplied such sentences, I have given you access to several Academic papers all saying Hebrew satan of the OT = an angel of the Lord working for the Lord NT satan = a entirely different entity – different nature – different function
NT satanas = the BEAST of Revelation – the serpent race – that we call devils and satans (pl)
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Post by rob on Dec 14, 2023 6:20:27 GMT -5
Dave writes: "
It would help if you would participate in the discussion
I have given you access to several Academic papers all saying Hebrew satan of the OT = an angel of the Lord working for the Lord NT satan = a entirely different entity – different nature – different function
Rob: I have yet to read anything that does as you claim. Then you have not participated in this forum James Tabor called it the Biggest Paradyme shft in the history of thought But you were to arrogant to even listen to the presentationm
Show me your scholarly papers. Done
Since you wrote a book published long ago, copy and paste your scholar passages that speak of satanas and archons. That should be easy for you.
G4567 satanas is of Chaldean origin and is the BEAST of Revelation G4566 satan is of herew origin and an angel of the Lord in service to the Lord
I am happy to discuss your discussion, show me your scholarly articles / passages. (must have words like satanas and archons)
Evidently you deny that Rev 12:9 - great dragon - was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and satanad (G4567), the deceiver of the whole world; (demons) Is Our real struggle - our real enemy as Christians Eph 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities (archon), against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (demons) Who were created by God for God Col 1:16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; (demons) To be used by God Gen 3:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: If The BEAST - - the serpent - that we call devils and sanatans (demons) Are not our real struggle as Christians - who is?
If demons are not our real struggle as Christians - who is? SHalom
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