Messianic Jews and the Archon

[Dave]

Jonathan David Cahn is an American Messianic Jewish Rabbi, and the head of the Beth Israel Worship Center congregation whose "liturgy focuses on Jesus as savior.



Jonathan's Encounter with Sorcerers & Principalities in Cuba
Jonathan Cahn Sermon - Oct 28, 2023 - 19:21 min

#jonathancahn #spiritualwarfare #halloween
Jonathan Cahn's encounter with sorcerers & principalities in the Island of Cuba and learn the keys of overcoming the darkness and fight the spiritual warfare at our anti-Halloween service.

I believe every word of this – reality
Just how many stories of a man at the center of a healing cult – many all through history
Spiritual warfare

Who are the archon / Principalities?
They are NOTHING next to the power of God

[Dillon]

Today, there are more witches in America then Presbyterians!
Light must come into the darkness.

4:00 We are on a mission. We are here to mission to the people of the world. That is who we are as a people. Our purpose. The reason why we are here. The meaning of life. It is our calling!

6:00 Everyone acted as if they were in a stupor. They couldn’t get anything done.

From your paper on Aliens:
"The Archons cast a trance over Adam which caused him to be sleepy, but it was his perception they dulled ... They make our hearts heavy that we may not pay attention and may not see. So we loose the reflection of the Divine Light within us ... The Archons burden the soul, attracting us to works of evil, and pull us down into oblivion, make us forget who we are. (The Apocrypha of John II 22: 14-10, though 27-20.)" (metahistory.org/Gnostic Catechism)

10:00 Dec 2nd, the celebration of SANTERIA
F.Y.I. Freedom of religion! The U.S. Supreme Court's 1993 decision Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah upheld the right of Santería adherents to practice ritual animal sacrifice in the United States of America. Some Africans religions, Voodoo from Haiti, practiced in Texas; and this crap from Cuba, in southern Florida.

The Cuban Villagers are controlled, dominated, by an evil power, section by section governed by an evil power.
It is the few, within the population that manhandle the rest.
A spiritual wall to keep the Gospel out.

Today, I will say, the Palestinians are dominated by evil Hamas, section by section governed by an evil power.
It is the few, within the population that manhandle the rest.
A spiritual wall to keep the Gospel out.

BUT GOD IS GREATER! God even used the hindrance for His purpose!

Twice he makes the point that as a man trying to do things as a man, we can’t fight on a spiritual level.
This really makes me consider Robert and his denial of the spirit. All he has is biology vers the spiritual.
We can only fight a spiritual warfare on a spiritual level. Robert’s denial of the spirit strips him of the ability to even recognize the struggle, let alone fight the fight he is always referring to.

13:00 Listen to his sermon to those villagers.
All he did was REMIND THEM who they are. They are children of God and more powerful than the demons. NOT ONCE did this Messianic Jewish / Christian Rabbi push Jesus on them, or belief and faith. All he did was REMIND THEM who they are. They are children of God and more powerful than the demons.

To me, this Messianic Jewish / Christian Rabbi whose congregation’s "liturgy focuses on Jesus as savior.” Sounds very much like Dave in all our conversations. If this is Gnostic, then I guess I am Gnostic as well.

[Dave]

Today, there are more witches in America then Presbyterians!
Like that huh?

13:00 Listen to his sermon to those villagers.
All he did was REMIND THEM who they are. They are children of God and more powerful than the demons. NOT ONCE did this Messianic Jewish / Christian Rabbi push Jesus on them, or belief and faith. All he did was REMIND THEM who they are. They are children of God and more powerful than the demons.

To me, this Messianic Jewish / Christian Rabbi whose congregation’s "liturgy focuses on Jesus as savior.” Sounds very much like Dave in all our conversations. If this is Gnostic, then I guess I am Gnostic as well.

PLEASE DO NOT MISSUNDERSTAND
OK – why is this D?
Maybe I can use this to make a lesson here

Valentinian Gnostic Christian teaching that Rome wrote against
There are 3 types of people
Type #1 – the lost
Type #2- believers - John 3:16 – the message of every corner ‘Christian’ church in America. If it is the first time you are walking in the door – you are going to hear John 3:16. I have been bouncing around “Christian” corner churches for 45 years and next Sunday, if I go, I will hear John 3:16
Type #3- Spiritual Christians –
Johnathan Cahn has already made his confession loud and clear –
he is a Jew that accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah –
His stance on John 3:16 is established!

At the village – he was speaking to a group of believers
He is not trying to save the lost with John 3:16
He is instructing the faithful in their SPIRITUAL WARFARE

Rome did like it because – MEN – have no control over those lead by the Spirit
2000 years late Ellen White teaches Robert not to like it because man has no spiritual component
Your conclusion is valid – by denying the spirit and the spiritual – Robert denies himself the very tools necessary to engage in the battle.

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit – IN THE SPIRIT – Robert won’t even discuss it

that utterance may be given unto me – WHY? – what purpose?

to make known the mystery of the gospel, - Jer 1:5 - witness

I am an ambassador in bonds: - Yes – I know the truth and can teach no other

therein I may speak boldly – Yes – I know the truth and must share it with everyone

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Yep – if you know (gnosis) you must share it with the world
God loves man enough – to set up this whole CONTEST – allowing man to prove himself worthy to God.
However – because God is absolute – none are worthy.
So God loved the world that he sent His only begotten Son – John 3:16

Now – those who recognize what is in their sight are open to the spiritual warfare all around us.

Last point – Rabbi Cahn sounds very Jewish – the NT satanas (Principalities / Archon) place obstacles in our path
He tried to do this – and it was like a wall came up in our path
So he tried to do that – and another wall – obstacle to overcome
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If this is Gnostic, then I guess I am Gnostic as well
You have always been a Gnostic and didn’t know it!

An example of a verse added to the Canon to make the story fit - Was Jesus a Nazirite?

Mat 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

Num 6:11 And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, and make an atonement for him, for that he sinned by the dead, and shall hallow his head that same day.
Num 6:12 And he shall consecrate unto the LORD the days of his separation, and shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering: but the days that were before shall be lost, because his separation was defiled.
Num 6:13 And this is the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:
Num 6:14 And he shall offer his offering unto the LORD,

Paul was Jewish, a Nazarite, we know this because of his Nazarite vow Acts 18 / 21
James and Mark wanted to teach Jewish Law
Paul’s mission was to the Gentiles

The argument – do the gentile have to covert to Jewish Law?
James and Peter meet with Paul and hear His witness –
On the road to Damascus (2Cror 12) Paul had a SPIRITUAL CONVERSION
You can call it baptism of the Spirit – or a Vision – or an out of the body hallucination
Whatever you call it – James and Peter embrace Paul and sent him to go preach

James remained in Jerusalem with the Hebrews
All the rest went somewhere else teaching Paul’s version of Christianity
What theologians call ”Paulinian Christianity” – Gnostic Christianity

What is Gnostic about Paul’s teaching?
1- Act 19 Paul lays on the hands and preaches the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
2- Paul says our real struggle is with Principalities (Archon)
3- Paul calls this a Spiritual warfare
4- Paul says it is not about rituals – it is about a spiritual conversion

Rabbi Cahn - At the village – he was speaking to a group of believers
He is not trying to save the lost with John 3:16
He is instructing the faithful in their SPIRITUAL WARFARE

[rob]

Dave's video He wanted me to watch
Gee – why did Robert respect me ot this forum to post it on the correct thread?

Jonathan's Encounter with Sorcerers & Principalities in Cuba
Jonathan Cahn Sermon - Oct 28, 2023 - 19:21 min
Occult is real, some fake it, falling away of America, explosion in the and land of the occult / witches than Pastors in the land of America
Light has to come head to head with darkness?

Rob" I thought God is the author and designer of BOTH light and darkness?

Dave
Isa 45:5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 
Isa 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 
Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 

DIdn't you say GOD created even the satanas creatures ? So why is their a clash with them?

Dave
Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.

He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.

Cuba opened up gospel for one month. First part of our mission.
If you are on planet earth , most of you are, you are on a mission.
So we went to a place of witchcraft and pray there.
Seemed everybody was in a stupor, blocked, people stopped.
Cab takes off without us.
Lord if you want us their you go it. I gave up.
A phone rings, did you make an arrangement. All the believers are gathering and waiting for you to come? 5:00 pm we will get you transportation.
somebody overheard, they are coming,,, so the word spread....the entire city came to one place.
Lord give me a Scripture, open up to section, disciples with section to an encounter...
CHurch is big but overflowing out the door.
This city is filled with strong holds. say the Pastor
Sorcerer people are amazed with him, this area is his home base.
He controls the city and by a map, using accoult power.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities.
Pastor JOn Cahn, tells the story of the meeting in this area.
A man called SImeon practiced sorcery in the city. Time for this darkness to end.
A big gush blows through the church.
The believers be strong, not on defeated side.
One accord, praying, against the curse on the city. Bless the Jewish people.
So the Pastor brought me to the city.
Something changed at that moment. People received what they received.
Praying a Jewish pastor would come, a change came.
Revival had broken out in that region.
We are now following Jesus.
If you are a child of God you are in the war.
SIn is your first battle. You need to fight the good fight of faith.
Fight in the Spirit. God's will.Cannot fight against spiritual powers.
God will use your setbacks to give you great victory.

Rob" What a tremendous Jewish Pastor.. God bless His ministry.
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Reflection of your video Dave:

Pastor Cahn does not use the word "satanas" or the word "Archon" or any word except the King James translation "principalities". You are pushing agenda of your own views upon others and this is a terrible thing to do on your part. Just my two pennies about your stand of this video.

Dave - just your word game so you can deny
Why do you deny the reality of Eph 6:12 Our real struggle
Why do you try to hide the reality of the demons and devils of this world
Whose side are you on? - which god do you serve?

I loved the Pastor and his stand, other sheep are of my fold God says in the last days. We all have to make a choice, and choice is all your have. Whom will your serve, says Joshua to Israel? As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
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Dave in Pastor Jon Cahn's book the Return of the gods, does he

(1) speak of the origin of these gods
(2) use words like "angels", or "archons" , or "satanas" or "satan"?

I have read his pdf book
Pastor Jon Cahn "return of the gods"
Find satan 3 hits
FInd satanas 0 hits
Find prosecutor 0 hits
Find angels 1 hit
Find fallen 8 hits - no passage useful to Rob
Find opposer 0 hits
Find opposed 3 hits - no passage useful to Rob
FInd Ezekiel 7 hits
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In the pagan world the serpent was often seen as a source
of divine wisdom. But in the Bible the serpent is a symbol of
darkness, of the satanic or demonic realm. Before uttering
her prophecies, the Pythia would fall into a frenzied
delirium, violently shaking, moaning, shrieking, foaming at
the mouth, and speaking unintelligible words. All these are
classic signs of spirit possession. And indeed even the
oracle claimed to be possessed by a spirit, the spirit of the
god. And so the highest realm of revelation in the ancient
pagan world was occupied by a woman possessed by a
spirit. Again we see the mystery of the shedim and the
daimonia. The gods and the spirits moved as one.

Dave -
Please tell us who are the gods he is talking about
Please tell us who are the spirits he is talking about


Out of the occult revival came an explosion in the practice
of witchcraft as well as in the number of women identifying
as witches. In this they were taking on the attributes of the
goddess. The occult revival would also give birth to the
revival of pagan worship, neo-pagan movements, and
hybrid movements that merged the occult with Eastern
religions and ancient paganism. It would also produce
movements, organizations, and religions dedicated to Satan
worship.

ROB since where are humans to worship a prosecutor angel?
Dave - they don't - never happened
Man worships the BEAST - and his archon

It was through the Ishtar Gate that the gods entered the
city in the form of idols and images. The gate and walls of
the Processional Way were adorned with symbols of the
gods—lions, dragons, and bulls. The lion, as we have seen,
represented Ishtar. The dragon represented the god Marduk,
who, in Babylonian mythology, was a lover of Ishtar. In the
Bible the dragon, of course, is also a symbol of Satan. And
the bull was a symbol of the god Adad. In the land of the
Canaanites, Adad was Hadad, and Hadad was Baal.

Rob" Notice Cahn does not speak of satanas but satan
Dave - DUH - word game
Rabbi Cahn is speaking about the Beast and his archon - not Hebrew satan

Gateway of the Gods
So the Gate of Ishtar was the entranceway, the portal
through which the gods entered. Thus the question: Could
the entrance of Ishtar at Stonewall, from which the modern
processions were born, likewise serve as a portal, the
gateway of the gods?

In ancient times Ishtar’s parades would draw the people
into her worship. So they would again. The celebrations
were, in essence, spiritual and even religious in nature. In a
panoply of music and color, American and Western culture
were being entranced into the worship of the goddess

Worship is connected to spirituality. Spirituality is
connected to the Spirit or to spirits. And spirits, as revealed
in the Bible, can be either of light or of darkness. Spirits of
light are called angels. Spirits of darkness are called
demons. And while angelic entities are, by nature, joined to
the worship of God, demonic entities are, by nature, at war
with the worship of God. They would thus lead one away
from the worship of God, even if through the means and
form of other gods

So the prophet Ezekiel was given a vision in
which he saw the women of Israel weeping, as if it were
Ishtar weeping for Tammuz. The people became her
channels. The goddess of possession possessed them

Shalom

[rob]

Greetings Dave,

More on the work of Pastor Jonathan Cahn the Jewish author for the last days

Being a Jew, his work is Jewish and hence limited, but I like what he presents.

His book the Return of the Gods is a great read.

First the context, a writing of another Jew about this Jew, and his teachings

Jewish Author Naomi Wolf.

At the time I wrote my initial essay, I knew that “Satan” was, at least for me, an insufficient explanation for the evil I saw. One reason that I felt that “Satan” was an insufficient name for what we were facing is that I am Jewish, and we don’t have the same tradition of “Satan” that Christian Western culture inherits and takes for granted.

In Jewish tradition, this entity’s role is not that of the rather majestic adversary of God who appears fully-fledged in the Christian tradition — an elaborated character who was developed subsequent to, as some scholars point out, the influence of Zoroastrianism on Judaism, and then on Christianity, in the years leading up to and after Jesus’ life and death.

Correct OT hebrew satan is not the same as NT satanas

In the Old Testament, in contrast, “the Satan” or “ha-Satan” — “the accuser” makes a number of appearances; but “ha-satan” is an opponent, rather than being the majestic villain of the New Testament, and of course of Correct OT hebrew satan is not the same as NT satanas’s characterizations, that so influenced Western ideas of “the devil.”

Correct OT hebrew satan is not the same as NT satanas
NT satanas is likened to Dante and Milton - I like it

The way in which the Hebrew “ha-satan” differs from the Christian Satan is important: “Likewise, in Old Testament Hebrew, the noun satan (which occurs 27x) and the verb satan (which occurs 6x) are often used in a general way. If I “satan” someone, I oppose them, accuse them, or slander them. David uses it this way in the Psalms, “Those who render me evil for good accuse [שׂטן (satan)] me because I follow after good” (Ps. 38:21). If I act as a “satan” to someone, therefore, I am their adversary or accuser, as the messenger of the Lord stood in the way of Balaam “as his adversary [שׂטן (satan)]” (Numbers 22:22) or as Solomon told Hiram that he had no “adversary [שׂטן (satan)]” who opposed him (1 Kings 5:4).

Thus, in Hebrew, the noun and verb שׂטן (satan) can have the non-technical meaning of “stand opposed to someone as an adversary.” In the case of Balaam, even the Lord’s messenger was a “satan” to him; that is, a God-sent opponent. That is the first point to keep in mind: unlike in English, where “Satan” always refers to a malevolent being, in Hebrew satan can have a generic, non-technical meaning.

Because our (Jewish) tradition of Satan is more impressionistic than the character who appeared later under Christian narratives, I felt that “Satan” was not sufficient to explain fully the inexplicable, immediate mirror-imaging of what had been our society, from ordered at least on the presumption of morality, to being ordered around death and cruelty. But I did not at that time have a better concept with which to work.

ROB" I love the way Author Naomi Wolf writes about the Hebrew word "Satan" both verb and noun forms. It is good to note she is steeped in Jewish tradition too.
Correct OT hebrew satan is not the same as NT satanas
her Jewish view of satan is/was not large enough to define NT satanas

Then I heard of a Pastor named Jonathan Cahn, who had written a book titled The Return of the Gods.

The title resonated with me.

Though I don’t agree with everything in his book, Pastor Cahn’s central argument — that we have turned away from the Judeo-Christian God and thus we opened a door into our civilization for the negative spirits of “the Gods” to re-possess us — feels right.

Dave - agree - the retirn of the gods - 100% Enoch / NT / Gnostic
Jdg 2:1  And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. 
Jdg 2:2  And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? 
Jdg 2:3  Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. 

Jonathan Cahn is a Messianic Jewish minister. He is the son of a Holocaust refugee. Formerly a secular-atheist, Cahn had a near-death experience as a young man that led him to accept Jesus — or, as he refers to this presence by the original Hebrew name, Yeshua — as his Lord and Savior. Pastor Cahn has a ministry based in Wayne, New Jersey, which brings together Jews and Gentiles.

In The Return of the Gods, his improbable, and yet somehow hauntingly plausible thesis, is that ancient dark and metaphysically organized forces, “the Gods” of antiquity, have “returned’” to our presumably advanced, secular post-Christian civilization.

Dave
Mat 24:37  “For just as the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 
The uprising of the Rephiem - the Nephilim - the REALITY OF THE ARCHON

Pastor Cahn’s theme is that, because we have turned away from our covenant with YHWH — especially we in America, and we in the West, and especially since the 1960s — therefore, the ancient “Gods,” or rather, ancient pagan energies,

Yep - thew Shedim of King Solomon - the other-gods of the levant and the whole world

that had been vanquished by monotheism

Yep - monothiesm - not a family of multiple gods working together to make a team

and exiled to the margins of civilization and human activity — have seen an “open door,” and thus a ready home to reoccupy, in us.

Yep - Book of Jublees - 10% remain
Jdg 2:3  their gods shall be a snare unto you.

He argues that they have indeed done so.

Pastor Cahn makes use of a parable in the New Testament to make this case. I cite the King James Version:

Matthew 12:43-45: When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Pastor Cahn makes the case that the ancient “gods” were initially, in essence, put on the defensive, as the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) recounts, first by Yahweh, and by the introduction of monotheism and the revelation of the Ten Commandments; and then that they were vanquished altogether and sent into outer darkness, by the arrival to humanity of the being whom he sees as the Messiah, Yeshua.

Yep - God chose the 1% and set them anainst the 99% and their other-gods
of course the other-gods were put on the defensive

One might right away resist such a phrasing; what do you mean, “the Gods?” But Cahn is both careful and accurate in his translations and his tracing of four millennia of religious history through a set of phrases.

Cahn rightly points out that the Hebrew Bible refers to what in Hebrew is rendered “shedim” or negative spirits (in modern Hebrew, this word means “ghosts”). Cahn correctly points out that these spirits, powers or principalities were worshiped in the pagan world in many guises — from the fertility god Baal to the goddess of sexuality Ashera or Ashtaroth; to the destructive idol, Moloch. He rightly points out that the ancient world was everywhere consecrated to these dark or lower entities, and that worshippers went to the point of sacrificing their own children to propitiate these forces.

Yep - King Solomon's shedim - negative spirits / principsalities / archon

He correctly reflects the central narrative of the Tribes of Israel as alternately embracing Yahweh and his Ten Commandments and ethical covenant, and finding it all too taxing, and thus falling away to whore after these pagan gods. He notes that the gods of the Old Testament world descended in updated guise into Greco-Roman life, taking on new names: Zeus, Diana, and so on.

Yep - same other-gods - just different names

He correctly notes that the Septuagint, the early Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, rendered “shedim” as Daimones. This word is rendered also as “spirit personifications;” we receive this word in English today, as “demons.”

Yep - OT shedim = demnons - devils - satanas (of Chaldean origin) = NT Best of revelation

Having accurately traced the lineage of pagan worship and pagan forces, Cahn makes the case that they were never overcome by the embrace in the West of Christianity; but rather that they were pushed to the margins of Western civilization; weakened by our covenant with YHWH, or with Jesus, depending on whom we are.

He argues that these negative but potentially powerful forces have been dormant for two millennia, by the Western Judeo-Christian covenant. And that they have now taken this opportunity, of our turning away from God, and they have returned.

been dormant? - if we are approaching the end-of-days - then satan has been locked away for a millenium

We, thus, are the house that has been cleaned — by the covenant with the Judeo-Christian commitment. But we subsequently abandoned the house, he maintains, and left it vulnerable; open, for negative energies to reenter.

Though it is unfashionable now to talk about our Judeo-Christian founding and heritage in the West, it should not be. This legacy is simply a historical fact. I do not think one needs to be dismissive of or insulting to Buddhism or Islam (which is also part of the Judeo-Christian lineage, but that’s another essay) or Jainism or Shintoism, to acknowledge the fact that the West’s civilization for the past two millennia has been a Judeo-Christian one, and that our Founders in this nation, though rightly establishing religious freedom, believed that they were consecrating a nation in alignment with the will of God as they understood him.

Cahn cites Puritan Minister Jonathan Winthrop in warning that America’s state of being blessed by God will last only as long as we hold up our end of the Covenant.

It is worth returning to Pastor Winthrop’s famous speech and to his invocation of the covenant that undergirded the foundation of America:

“Thus stands the cause between God and us. We are entered into covenant with Him for this work. We have taken out a commission. The Lord hath given us leave to draw our own articles. We have professed to enterprise these and those accounts, upon these and those ends. We have hereupon besought Him of favor and blessing. Now if the Lord shall please to hear us, and bring us in peace to the place we desire, then hath He ratified this covenant and sealed our commission, and will expect a strict performance of the articles contained in it; but if we shall neglect the observation of these articles which are the ends we have propounded, and, dissembling with our God, shall fall to embrace this present world and prosecute our carnal intentions, seeking great things for ourselves and our posterity, the Lord will surely break out in wrath against us, and be revenged of such a people, and make us know the price of the breach of such a covenant. Now the only way to avoid this shipwreck, and to provide for our posterity, is to follow the counsel of Micah, to do justly, to love mercy, to walk humbly with our God.

Why do I share all of this? Because while it would be easy to dismiss Pastor Cahn’s theory as wacky and fanatical, I have reluctantly come to believe that his central premise may be right.

Yep - people say belief in the ancient gods as real is wacky
Yep - people today do not accept gods anymore - now we have aliens and UFOs

In the Old Testament, it is not “ha-Satan” who is the most fearsome, treacherous, dangerous of figures. It is rather, “the Gods” who are the seductive abominations — that is to say, the ancient, pre-YHWH, pre-Mosaic, pre-Christian gods: our old adversaries in the Hebrew Bible — YHWH’s adversaries: Baal, Moloch (or Malek), and Astarte or Ashera.

Yep - in the OT - hebrew satan was not the bad guy - the shedim / archon / Jinn / other-gods were

Those are “the Gods” that traduced, lured, hounded, bedeviled, and seduced my people — again and again. Those are “the Gods” about whom this extraordinary innovation in the human story — the monotheistic God of all – continually, specifically warns us; warns the Children of Israel.

At the time I wrote my initial essay, I knew that “Satan” was, at least for me, an insufficient explanation for the evil I saw. One reason that I felt that “Satan” was an insufficient name for what we were facing is that I am Jewish, and we don’t have the same tradition of “Satan” that Christian Western culture inherits and takes for granted.

I am Jewish, and we don’t have the same tradition of “Satan” that Christian Western culture inherits and takes for granted.

I do believe that they were able to do so because we dropped our own end of upholding a basic covenant with God.

After having gone back to the Old Testament, it is clear to me that YHWH warned us that this could happen — that we could easily lose his protection and break the Covenant.

He warned us, indeed, over and over, in the Hebrew Bible, of this risk.

I was taught in Hebrew School that we as Jews are forever God’s “chosen people.” But God does not say that consistently in the Old Testament, at all. There are many times a “Covenant” is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. But when YHWH explains what He wants from this Children, in “Exodus,” He is clear that certain conduct is expected from us, in order for us to receive his blessing:

All of that changed seemingly overnight.

ROB" This is a pivotal change in Jewish writer Wolf's writings:-

Pastor Cahn notes that Jesus identified Satan alongside the “Daimones.” Pastor Cahn refers to these ancient gods, powers, as well as the more modern “Satan,” together, as the “anti-God” forces.

As such, I do feel that this is with what we are grappling and terrifyingly so. Since 2020 the world, I feel, has been bathed, infused, bombarded even, with intensely powerful energies that are totally unfamiliar to us in this generation, but that may derive from a pre-Christian, pre-solidly-Jewish time, a time when early Judaism was struggling with the seductive and oppressive entities that always sought to seduce the Children of Israel away from the monotheistic truth, the One God.

The ancient “shedim” are the only “principalities and powers” I can imagine that are capable of manifesting a national, and now a global, network of policy advocates, social workers, graphic designers, Members of Parliament, who are all on board with an escalating euthanasia death cult. The ancient “daimones” are the only entities I can imagine powerful enough in just two years and a bit, to destroy families, to ruin sexuality and fertility, to make a mockery of human rights, to celebrate the end of critical thinking, to march us all in lockstep to worship of technocrats and technocracy; medical cultism and an orgiastic cult of self- and other-annihilation.

The ancient “shedim” are the only “principalities and powers” I can imagine
Yep - King Solomon's shedim / archon / Jinn / principalities / demons

The ancient “daimones” are the only entities I can imagine
Yep - King Solomon's shedim / archon / Jinn / principalities / demons

And now the points raised by Pastor Cahn

But in the Bible the serpent is a symbol of
darkness, of the satanic or demonic realm.

ROB" Dave has no problem with the serpent referred to as satanas, archons, or demons, but Cahn uses the term "satanic".
Just a word game

(The shedim )...make religions dedicated to Satan worship.
Yep - the shedim are the other-gods of the Levant and the whole world

ROB" Cahn says the shedim make religions dedicated to Satan worship.
What happened to the prosecutor angel idea?
Rabbi Cahn is speaking about the shedim / archon / Jinn / demons / principalities - the ancient gods
Hebrew satan is still an angel of the Lord in service to the Lord

In the Bible the dragon, of course, is also a symbol of Satan
DUH - Rev 12:9

ROB" Cahn does not use the word "satanas" but the Hebrew word "Satan"
Just a word game

ROB" This is all the evidence spoken by Pastor Cahn about the origin of the shedim and where they might have come from.

Yep - the shedim of King Solomon = the demons / archon / Jinn / other-gods

Angels he calls spirits of light and shedim are spirits of darkness.
He makes a contrast parallel. By the law of association, if the angels are functioning as spirits of light, the spirits of darkness must also refer to the angel, the cherub.

Absolute nonsense and nothing to do with what was written here

While Pastor Cahn does not refer to Ezekiel 28, -
why not - isn't it the most important verse in your Bible?

he does use the term "angelic".
DUH

Hmm? I think you need to assess your views carefully Dave. These two Jewish writers are really going against your cause.
WOW - you are totaly delusional 

[Dave]

Dave's video He wanted me to watch
Gee – why did Robert respect me ot this forum to post it on the correct thread?

Jonathan's Encounter with Sorcerers & Principalities in Cuba
Jonathan Cahn Sermon - Oct 28, 2023 - 19:21 min
Occult is real, some fake it, falling away of America, explosion in the and land of the occult / witches than Pastors in the land of America
Light has to come head to head with darkness?


Rob" I thought God is the author and designer of BOTH light and darkness?

DIdn't you say GOD created even the satanas creatures ? So why is their a clash with them?

Cuba opened up gospel for one month. First part of our mission.
If you are on planet earth , most of you are, you are on a mission.
So we went to a place of witchcraft and pray there.
Seemed everybody was in a stupor, blocked, people stopped.
Cab takes off without us.
Lord if you want us their you go it. I gave up.
A phone rings, did you make an arrangement. All the believers are gathering and waiting for you to come? 5:00 pm we will get you transportation.
somebody overheard, they are coming,,, so the word spread....the entire city came to one place.
Lord give me a Scripture, open up to section, disciples with section to an encounter...
CHurch is big but overflowing out the door.
This city is filled with strong holds. say the Pastor
Sorcerer people are amazed with him, this area is his home base.
He controls the city and by a map, using accoult power.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities.
Pastor JOn Cahn, tells the story of the meeting in this area.
A man called SImeon practiced sorcery in the city. Time for this darkness to end.
A big gush blows through the church.
The believers be strong, not on defeated side.
One accord, praying, against the curse on the city. Bless the Jewish people.
So the Pastor brought me to the city.
Something changed at that moment. People received what they received.
Praying a Jewish pastor would come, a change came.
Revival had broken out in that region.
We are now following Jesus.
If you are a child of God you are in the war.
SIn is your first battle. You need to fight the good fight of faith.
Fight in the Spirit. God's will.Cannot fight against spiritual powers.
God will use your setbacks to give you great victory.

Rob" What a tremendous Jewish Pastor.. God bless His ministry.
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Reflection of your video Dave:

Pastor Cahn does not use the word "satanas" or the word "Archon" or any word except the King James translation "principalities". You are pushing agenda of your own views upon others and this is a terrible thing to do on your part. Just my two pennies about your stand of this video.

I loved the Pastor and his stand, other sheep are of my fold God says in the last days. We all have to make a choice, and choice is all your have. Whom will your serve, says Joshua to Israel? As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

[rob]

Greetings Dave

Dave"Gee – why didn't Robert respect me on this forum to post it on the correct thread?

ROb" Oh sorry.

Dave" Dave - just your word game
ROb" It is not a word game, I listened to Pastor Cahn, and your view is not his view.
I agree Pastor Cahn uses the word "principalities" but that is a KJV word, he also uses the Hebrew word shedim and the Greek translation Daimonion (demon).
He does not use "satanas" or "archon".

Just your word game

Dave" Whose side are you on?
You are trying your best to hide the Reality of the Archon
You are trying your best to hisde the deviles and demons of our reality
You are defending your satan as a god

ROb" Actually I am on Pastor Cahn's side, even though he is Jewish his preaching is true, as I have discovered it currently.
Rabbi Cahan is exposing the demons of today as the ancient other-gods of the OT
Rabbi Cahn is exposigng the denoms of today as the shedim of King Solomon

Dave" Dave -
Please tell us who are the gods he is talking about
Please tell us who are the spirits he is talking about
ROb" He is talking about shedim or demons.
Yep - absolutely correct

He is saying Satan is of the demonic realm.
DUH - Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas,

Therefore he is not speaking of some prosecutor angel.
Correct he is not talking about hebrew satan of the OT - he is talking about the shedim of King Solomon

ROBPP" since where are humans to worship a prosecutor angel?
Dave - they don't - never happened
Man worships the BEAST - and his archon
ROb" Agreed , and Pastor Cahn says the humans worship religions dedicated to Satan worship.


Hence he is not talking about prosecutor angelic worship.

Dave" Dave - DUH - word game
Rabbi Cahn is speaking about the Beast and his archon - not Hebrew satan
ROB" O BOY, I think you need to email him directly and ask him directly because you can't read his words correctly. You are in denial.

He wrote "In the Bible the dragon, of course, is also a symbol of Satan"
DUH - Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas, (G4567)

He didn't write "satanas" or "Archon" and the Pastor is not playing a word game as you claim.
Nope - he isn't - you are

Please make sure you read Jewish author Naomi WOlf and the other comments I make on Pastor Cahn's book.
DONE