Post by Dave on Sept 3, 2023 19:22:28 GMT -5
Dear Robert
Evidently you have gone back to work – or do not know what to say next.
Your only recourse it to keep repeating the same corrupted scripture – with the hopes that I will finally have a more agreeable answer.
You remind me of myself – I was a card carrying Presbyterian in the 90s – active in my church – church board – Bible Studies – Prayer Meeting – Visitation – Sunday School teacher – and was even up front a few times.
All through my Christian experience I was a Ezk 28 satan believer. It was what I was taught. I was face to face with a spirit at a personal low point in my life – August 1974. My experience drove to to church looking for answers.
The church told me – I imagined my encounter – do not think of it – put it out of my mind – PRETEND it didn’t happen.
I am an academic – I like books and history – I have 4 college degrees – AAS-MLT (Indiana University), BA-Bible (Trinity College), BS-CLS (University of Cincinnati), and a PhD (Florida State Seminary)
I enjoy being a student
That is one of the reasons I continually dable with Greek
Years ago (1981?) I worked night at a factory – I was the only one in the building – running a big noisey machine. Load the machine and wait 50 minutes for it to be done – then unload and reloead – then wait another 50 mininutes.
One night at around 3:30am the owner of the company stopped in – I ws not with my machine – I was in the break room – He cought me red handed. My Greek books scattered all over the table – translating the book of Hebrews.
Instead of firing me for not being at my post – my next check had a 50 cent per hour raise. - Was this God’s HEDGE? – am I just lucky?
To further my Christian education – I began studying with – ASK A RABBI
My thinking was – who would know the Hebrew OT better than a Rabbi – That discussion lead me to several different discussion boards – and eventually to The Israeli Institute for Hebrew Research – which holds free online classes and discussions – that lead me to Chabad Judaism and Rabbi Friedman.
You remind me of myself – over time – I had to come to the revelation that my Presbyterianism was NOT Jewish in any way – But Jewish Kabbalah is very Christian - How interesting is that?
The more time I spent studying with a Rabbi – the farther I drifted from my Presbyterian roots.
You remind me of myself – over time – you will come to realize that you have been taught a false doctrine
You praise the words of Ellen White over the Word of God – that is the very definition of a cult
You claim to be a card carrying SDA member for more than 25 years
Yet – you are still asking what faith means
Yet – you are still asking how to be saved
Yet - you are asking how to be a true Christian
Your denominational tradition is built on the idea that your satan rebels, hates, and opposes God – It is the definition of your Ellen White cult
An eternal cosmic struggle between the Good God of Love and the hateful god of evil.
I am sure satan is very proud of you – you have worked really hard to defend him – for four years now it has been your only objective – to prove that your satan is a god.
No one here – will every buy into your teachings
To support your doctrine – you have denied more scripture in the last 60 days that more weekend Christians ever know.
You very claim that scripture cannot be understood as written – you have to understand the allegory – is a satanic messages
You say this because it is Ellen White’s Covenant Theology
But you also refuse to even discuss the teachings
You remind me of myself – over time – you will come to realize that you have been taught a false doctrine
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – you realize that Roman Christendom’s traditions trump scripture.
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – Christ delivered the Gospel and for 2 Centuries Christianity was genuine – lead by the spirit. Was every single new Christian Baptized by the Holy Spirit – NO
Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
Was every single new Christian Baptized by the Holy Spirit – NO
But enough were to be the leaders of the faith for the rest. - 2 Centuries of Brothers-in-Christ gathering in homes and open fields - sharing – very communal – sharing of property - very Amish.
Amish farmers make money on small farms
English (that is what they call non-Amish) farmers are struggling – with much larger farms
In the Amish neighborhood – some guys own a teams of horses – one guy owns the plow – one guy owns the bailer – one guy owns the planter – and they get together and gang-bang their farms together
Each English farmer own his own equipment – 100s of 1000s in debt (a mil), spend 1000s in insurance, and they would not loan it to anyone – they farm alone – or $$$Hire help
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – you realize that Roman Catholicism hated the Jews at the same time they gathered the Canon.
At the time of the formation of the Roman Catholic church – those damn Jews were Christ killers.
And Rome changed the ‘christian faith’ into their own official version – they actively changed the theology to deJewdify the faith.
They changed the Sabbath – to separate themselves from Judaism
All through the OT – Jews struggled with the archon in many forms – other gods of Canaan + other gods of the known world – shedim of many shapes and sizes – Lilith a succubus – evil spirits – demons and devils
Why so many – Because the Beast is a plurality – and army of archon – of various shapes and sizes – some look just like you and me and walk among us – some look grotest and ugly – some look like little green men from Mars – some look like the Reptilians from Beta Reticuli
The Nag Hammadi, King Solomon, and Islam all tell us they can shape-shift.
Personally I think they shape-shift by planting the image in your head
Some type of mental telepathy hypnotism – you think you see something.
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – The movement of scripture into the hellinistic world – opened the scripture to a new way of thinking – population control in the Roman world was always Macavellian.
You need a common enemy to rally the people.
America allowed 911 to happen to gain public support for thie war on terrism
America – lied about the Gulf of Tonkin – to invole us in Viet Nam
America allowed Perl Harbor to happen – to rally the people agaonst the Japanese and their allies the Germans
Americal allow the Lusatania – to involve America in WWI
Rome elevated stan to the one and only enemy – author of death (you said)
TO RALLY THE PEOPLE BEHIND THEIR NEED FOR A CATHOLIC PRIEST AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
It has nothing to do with scripture – and everything to do about population control.
... We forget that Rome’s adoption of the Christian faith spelled the end for pagan religions within the Empire. In 386 AD, a man named Libanius, who was devastated by the post-Nicaean systematic destruction of the old faiths, pleaded with the emperor to rein in the excesses of Christian officials. They “hasten to attack the temples with sticks and stones and bars of iron, and in some cases, disdaining these, with hands and feet. Then utter desolation follows, with the stripping of roofs, demolition of walls, the tearing down of statues and the overthrow of altars, and the priest must either keep quite or die. After demolishing one, they scurry to another, and to a third, and trophy is piled on trophy.”4
Many would come to resent this new Roman Christian world: a place in which coercion was acceptable and in which religious faith and political power were so closely intertwined. Coercion in any form is always counterproductive: it produces a congregation of hypocrites who pretended to believe in the prevailing religion in order to avoid ostracism or punishment.
The Catholic church had to maintain control of the faith through power – and that power comes from preaching satan as the enemy – a totally Catholic invention – 180* different than the teaching of Judaism
I say Jesus was born in the spring (the Lamb was always a yealing) – some say the fall
Either way – Christ was not born on Dec 25th
Who was born on dec 25th – both Tammuz (800 yrs before Christ) and Mithras (500 years before Christ) – both preached at 12 – both had a minnistry – both died – Mithras even died hung on a tree
Who was born on Dec 25th – the sun – preceded by 3 kings – died for 3 days – the rose again on Dec 25th
Why does OT Law prevent the eating of pork?
1) obviouse health concerns with pork and ancient man
2) Tammuz was killed by a bore at age 40 – thus 40 days of Catholic Lent
Exk 8 the origional Abomination – pigs sacrificed in the Temple to Tamnmuz
Why must you cut the hand off a youg madien if she touch the skin of a dead pig?
It is the sacrificial animal to Tammuz
The Mother of Tammuz = Ishtar – who came to earth in an egg – landing in the Euphrates
To prove her divinity she changed a bird into an egg laying Rabbit
Today – the church does not celibrate Passover
Instead it celibrates Isthar (Easter) with a ham dinner and Easter Eggs
Want to hear the story of why they are colored blood-red?
Every Roman Christiandom preacher will tell you – do not know Zoroasterianism – leave it lone because it is pagan – yet every Nativity includeds 3 Zoroasterian Magi as validatein of the Dec 25th birth od Christendom
Jesus said
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
I like the paraphrase – don’t babble on like the pagans do
Yet every “christian” church I attend is filled with corporate prayer – I always ask / bring it up / want to discuss it – they all answer it is church tradition
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth –
Roma Catholicism has been reformed many times – each time much “church” tradion follows – over 2000 registerd “christian” denominations in America and 99.9% embrace Dec 25th Christ-mass
This is exactly why I call myself a Gnostic Christian – just to seperate myself from the crowd – if many are called but few are chosen do you really want to be in the crowd?
2010 – I got my first Nag Hammadi - thinking origionally about dabbeling with Coptic-Greek. But all beginner Coptic language site I found at the time were in Egyptian or Arabic
POINT – The Temple was a library for Israel
Sure the Torah Scrolls were there
But also =- the ‘wisdom of thier forefathers’ – Enoch – King Solomon – and more
The dead Sea Scrolls
Yes the Torah is there
But also Enoch – The Book of Giants – The Book of Creation – The War Scroll and the Copper Scroll
The Nag Hammadi Libaray contains 33 titles all together
11 of which are attributed to – or are consistant with - James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
All of these guys present a Valentinian style theology – although the Gospel of Truth (attributed to Valentinious) doesn’t say much – just lot of blah blah – I only have a few notes in it and I don't think I have ever quoted from it
Several of the Titles are Sethian
Several of the titles - are not religious – Plato for example
Reading the Nag Hammadi is somewhat difficult – because it is like reading only the Roough English of an Interlinear
Reading the Nag Hammasi is hard – because for a few of the title – this is the only existing / surviving copy (Gospel of Phillip) – so it is impossible to compare translations against other copies.
Reading the Nag Hammadi is hard – because it is obvious the translator did not understand parts of Plato – what does this say about other text?
Reading the Nag Hammadi is hard because the text is incomplete – as all ancient text are
The Dialogue of the Savior
… When you [...] you will see those who [...] and also [...] tell you [...] the reasoning power [...] reasoning power [...] place of truth [...] but [...]. But you [...] truth, this [...] living [...] and your joy [...]. So [...] in order that [...] your souls [...] lest it [...] the word [...] raise... (3 lines indecipherable) ... For the crossing place is fearful before you. But you, with a single mind, pass it by! For its depth is great; its height is enormous [...] single mind [...] and the fire [...] [...] all the powers [...] you, they [...] and the powers [...] they [...][...] soul [...] [...] in everyone [...] you are the [...] and [...] forget [...] son [...] and you [...][...]."
Matthew said, "How [...][...]?"
The Savior said "[...] the things inside you [...] will remain, you [...]."
Judas said, "Lord [...] the works [...] these souls, these [...], these little ones, when [...] where will they be? [...] the spirit [...]?"
His disciples, numbering twelve, asked him, "Teacher, [...] serenity [...] teach us [...]."
The Lord said, "[...] everything which I have [...] you will [...] you [...] everything."
[...] said [...] speak, I [...]."
The Lord said, "[...] your Father [...]."
The Lord said, "Who knows that they will not dissolve and ... [2 lines missing]?"
So why is the Nag Hammdi more interesting than the Dead Sea Scrolls
The Dead Sea Scrolls – speak of a leader saviour figure – just not Jesus Christ
BUT – The Nag Hammadi says straight out (in 4 of the titles) Jesus appeared to me after the resurrection – and spoke on several topics
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
What did he teach?
1- The Trinity
You follow trinity, and that is a Catholic invention, but you accept this as a fact with your three expressions idea of the Father.
The plurality of God has always been a Jewish teachings
You NEED to watch this -
(My dissagreement with these guy is just nit-picky things - vocbulary)
A Jewish Defense of the Trinity - The Case for Messiah2- Embracing the spirit – the communion of the spirit – the baptism of the Holy Spirit – the call to be filled – don’t just be a Christian – be a Christ to your fellow man
3- There is a warning about orginised religion usurping the faith
4- There is a warning about the archon influencing christian leaders corrupting the faith.
5- By far the largest conversation is about those archon / Principalities of Eph 6:12
Who are the archon?
The term archon is a early Christian Greek for – the shedim of King Solomon
Where did they come from?
They are the Beast – appearing Rev 12:3 / Gen 1:2
The Beast – the ancient serpent – we call devils and satanas
Gnostic – NT scripture says the Beast just appeared – but the NT also say nothing exist that wasn’t created by God – why
Answer – God created from the Right hand – and said – let there be
The Beast – appeared from the Left Hand - and was ugly so she tried to hide it away in a cloud of fire
When did the archon appear?
Gen 1:2 / Rev 12:3 – at the moment of creation
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Choshek?
The Hypostasis of the Archons
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
The First Archon (The BEAST) woke up and only saw matter – the physical world – and though he was alone. His clime is a ststement of arrogant ignorance – “god of the blind” = choshek = Darkness = Ignorance of God.
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."
… and seven archangels that stand before it; he is the eighth, and has authority. All the forms amount to seventy-two. Furthermore, from this chariot the seventy-two gods took shape; they took shape so that they might rule over the seventy-two languages of the peoples.
The First Archon (BEAST) did not create – he procreated
First 7 – as in the 7 heavens above
The 72 – each with its own area / mansion
On the Origin of the World
and seven archangels that stand before it; he is the eighth, and has authority. All the forms amount to seventy-two. Furthermore, from this chariot the seventy-two gods took shape; they took shape so that they might rule over the seventy-two languages of the peoples
Who teaches this – Islam – the reward for Jihad = 72 mansions and a virgin in each one
(just for fun – short)
Remember – we are discussing the religions spawn by Abraham – Judaism – Christianity – and Islam – all share their origin to Moses
King Solomon’s shedim = the Jinn of Islam = Jewish OT demonolgy
The Nag Hammadi - comes across very Jewish (from the First Chrstians)
The Nag Hammadi - describe the archon very much like the shedim of King Solomon – or the Jinn of Islam
Who is satanas?
Answer – there are many – just as there are many devils – because tere are many archon
The Frst Archon (The BEAST) is the father of all of them
Much like a militray hierarchy – 7 Generals under him – then – more (72?) Captians - then their minion / privates – (the ‘sar’ of Persia)
Who is Allah?
Is Allah the Catholic satan – the god of evil – NO
But – Allah is an Archon General in the army of the Beast – a satanas
Under him – he is the supreme leader of all the other-gods of the Levant
and the Jinn of Islam
Dispensation – has 7 different periords of history
Gen 1:1 creation
Gen 1:2 corruption
Gen 1:3 the LIGHT of salvation
Adam and Eve
corruption
Noah as a saviour
God makes a promise to Abraham
Israel becomes a slave to Egypt
Moses is a saviour
Isreal walks with God
Then they don’t
and a man /leader / prophet becomes saviour
Isreal walks with God
Then they don’t
and the Messiah came to deliver them
Christ opens the Age of the Gentile
People fall away from the faith
Christ comes a 2nd time as saviour
Gnostic Ages = Christian Dispensation
Both teach Isreal gathered together for the end times final battles
Literial – on the ground – to fulfill prophesy
You said you agree with Walid Shoebat
BUT - Ellen White’s Covanant Theology does not teach this
The church has replaced Israel - Israel is now lost
But so far – you have refuse to disuss it
Why did the advent math of bahai Islam come first? Then Borrowed by Elen White?
You refuse to discuss that too
My comment to you
You ask – how to properly to amnuh / faith / support
Question – do you really think it includes denying so much scripture?
You critisize Judaism – yet you do noy understand what judiasm teaches
Answer – learn instead of complaining – denying – and critisizing
You critsize Mainsteam Christianity – yet you do not understand what it teaches
Answer – learn – improve youself
Scripture promises -if you truly seek God – He will find you
Scripture promises – if you knock – he will answer
Question – do you really think it includes denying so much scripture?
Look at
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Pick a class – and we will take it together
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This would would be right up my alley
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Your points
What is a provider? A being that is an agent who provides humans with things, like decisions, temptations and other ways to do RA.
Agree – the archon fuel our (yester ra) until we act on it
The unfortunate truth = all men are selfish (yester ra)
The use of this word "ab" is very significant. It means the chief opposer was wanting to be like the Most High and be a heavenly father like the heavenly Father is.
NOPE – it means that the archon are the providers of deception
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My second point is the term "ratsach" meaning "no wounding". The Opposer main opposition to GOD is the opposer wounds the chances of humans seeking salvation.
I know you want to blame you satan for all your sin
But – your choices are your choices alone – the responsibility is your’s
If you jump off the roof – who is to blame you or the people urging you on
If you jump off the roof – you are committing suicide
If you choose world instead of God – you are committing spiritual suicide
Your choices are your choices alone – the responsibility is your’s
No they can't says Dave, only the Jews know the truth from the very beginning. If that were truth why did God punish them over and over with nations invading them?
Same answer as – why did God create the world
To reveal his wealth and glory
Same answer as – why did Moses lead Israel out of Egypt
To reveal his wealth and glory – and to prove that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the one true God!
Same answer as – why was israel victorious when they walked with God
To reveal his wealth and glory – and to prove that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the one true God!
Evidently you have gone back to work – or do not know what to say next.
Your only recourse it to keep repeating the same corrupted scripture – with the hopes that I will finally have a more agreeable answer.
You remind me of myself – I was a card carrying Presbyterian in the 90s – active in my church – church board – Bible Studies – Prayer Meeting – Visitation – Sunday School teacher – and was even up front a few times.
All through my Christian experience I was a Ezk 28 satan believer. It was what I was taught. I was face to face with a spirit at a personal low point in my life – August 1974. My experience drove to to church looking for answers.
The church told me – I imagined my encounter – do not think of it – put it out of my mind – PRETEND it didn’t happen.
I am an academic – I like books and history – I have 4 college degrees – AAS-MLT (Indiana University), BA-Bible (Trinity College), BS-CLS (University of Cincinnati), and a PhD (Florida State Seminary)
I enjoy being a student
That is one of the reasons I continually dable with Greek
Years ago (1981?) I worked night at a factory – I was the only one in the building – running a big noisey machine. Load the machine and wait 50 minutes for it to be done – then unload and reloead – then wait another 50 mininutes.
One night at around 3:30am the owner of the company stopped in – I ws not with my machine – I was in the break room – He cought me red handed. My Greek books scattered all over the table – translating the book of Hebrews.
Instead of firing me for not being at my post – my next check had a 50 cent per hour raise. - Was this God’s HEDGE? – am I just lucky?
To further my Christian education – I began studying with – ASK A RABBI
My thinking was – who would know the Hebrew OT better than a Rabbi – That discussion lead me to several different discussion boards – and eventually to The Israeli Institute for Hebrew Research – which holds free online classes and discussions – that lead me to Chabad Judaism and Rabbi Friedman.
You remind me of myself – over time – I had to come to the revelation that my Presbyterianism was NOT Jewish in any way – But Jewish Kabbalah is very Christian - How interesting is that?
The more time I spent studying with a Rabbi – the farther I drifted from my Presbyterian roots.
You remind me of myself – over time – you will come to realize that you have been taught a false doctrine
You praise the words of Ellen White over the Word of God – that is the very definition of a cult
You claim to be a card carrying SDA member for more than 25 years
Yet – you are still asking what faith means
Yet – you are still asking how to be saved
Yet - you are asking how to be a true Christian
Your denominational tradition is built on the idea that your satan rebels, hates, and opposes God – It is the definition of your Ellen White cult
An eternal cosmic struggle between the Good God of Love and the hateful god of evil.
I am sure satan is very proud of you – you have worked really hard to defend him – for four years now it has been your only objective – to prove that your satan is a god.
No one here – will every buy into your teachings
To support your doctrine – you have denied more scripture in the last 60 days that more weekend Christians ever know.
You very claim that scripture cannot be understood as written – you have to understand the allegory – is a satanic messages
You say this because it is Ellen White’s Covenant Theology
But you also refuse to even discuss the teachings
DISPENSATIONALISM vs. COVENANT THEOLOGY
ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/596/dispensationalism-covenant-theology?page=1&scrollTo=9144
ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/596/dispensationalism-covenant-theology?page=1&scrollTo=9144
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – you realize that Roman Christendom’s traditions trump scripture.
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – Christ delivered the Gospel and for 2 Centuries Christianity was genuine – lead by the spirit. Was every single new Christian Baptized by the Holy Spirit – NO
Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
Was every single new Christian Baptized by the Holy Spirit – NO
But enough were to be the leaders of the faith for the rest. - 2 Centuries of Brothers-in-Christ gathering in homes and open fields - sharing – very communal – sharing of property - very Amish.
Amish farmers make money on small farms
English (that is what they call non-Amish) farmers are struggling – with much larger farms
In the Amish neighborhood – some guys own a teams of horses – one guy owns the plow – one guy owns the bailer – one guy owns the planter – and they get together and gang-bang their farms together
Each English farmer own his own equipment – 100s of 1000s in debt (a mil), spend 1000s in insurance, and they would not loan it to anyone – they farm alone – or $$$Hire help
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – you realize that Roman Catholicism hated the Jews at the same time they gathered the Canon.
At the time of the formation of the Roman Catholic church – those damn Jews were Christ killers.
And Rome changed the ‘christian faith’ into their own official version – they actively changed the theology to deJewdify the faith.
They changed the Sabbath – to separate themselves from Judaism
All through the OT – Jews struggled with the archon in many forms – other gods of Canaan + other gods of the known world – shedim of many shapes and sizes – Lilith a succubus – evil spirits – demons and devils
Why so many – Because the Beast is a plurality – and army of archon – of various shapes and sizes – some look just like you and me and walk among us – some look grotest and ugly – some look like little green men from Mars – some look like the Reptilians from Beta Reticuli
The Nag Hammadi, King Solomon, and Islam all tell us they can shape-shift.
Personally I think they shape-shift by planting the image in your head
Some type of mental telepathy hypnotism – you think you see something.
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth – The movement of scripture into the hellinistic world – opened the scripture to a new way of thinking – population control in the Roman world was always Macavellian.
You need a common enemy to rally the people.
America allowed 911 to happen to gain public support for thie war on terrism
America – lied about the Gulf of Tonkin – to invole us in Viet Nam
America allowed Perl Harbor to happen – to rally the people agaonst the Japanese and their allies the Germans
Americal allow the Lusatania – to involve America in WWI
Rome elevated stan to the one and only enemy – author of death (you said)
TO RALLY THE PEOPLE BEHIND THEIR NEED FOR A CATHOLIC PRIEST AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
It has nothing to do with scripture – and everything to do about population control.
Pondering Confusion Vol. II
The Archon
and the Great Contest
pg 71... We forget that Rome’s adoption of the Christian faith spelled the end for pagan religions within the Empire. In 386 AD, a man named Libanius, who was devastated by the post-Nicaean systematic destruction of the old faiths, pleaded with the emperor to rein in the excesses of Christian officials. They “hasten to attack the temples with sticks and stones and bars of iron, and in some cases, disdaining these, with hands and feet. Then utter desolation follows, with the stripping of roofs, demolition of walls, the tearing down of statues and the overthrow of altars, and the priest must either keep quite or die. After demolishing one, they scurry to another, and to a third, and trophy is piled on trophy.”4
Many would come to resent this new Roman Christian world: a place in which coercion was acceptable and in which religious faith and political power were so closely intertwined. Coercion in any form is always counterproductive: it produces a congregation of hypocrites who pretended to believe in the prevailing religion in order to avoid ostracism or punishment.
The Catholic church had to maintain control of the faith through power – and that power comes from preaching satan as the enemy – a totally Catholic invention – 180* different than the teaching of Judaism
I say Jesus was born in the spring (the Lamb was always a yealing) – some say the fall
Either way – Christ was not born on Dec 25th
Who was born on dec 25th – both Tammuz (800 yrs before Christ) and Mithras (500 years before Christ) – both preached at 12 – both had a minnistry – both died – Mithras even died hung on a tree
Who was born on Dec 25th – the sun – preceded by 3 kings – died for 3 days – the rose again on Dec 25th
Why does OT Law prevent the eating of pork?
1) obviouse health concerns with pork and ancient man
2) Tammuz was killed by a bore at age 40 – thus 40 days of Catholic Lent
Exk 8 the origional Abomination – pigs sacrificed in the Temple to Tamnmuz
Why must you cut the hand off a youg madien if she touch the skin of a dead pig?
It is the sacrificial animal to Tammuz
The Mother of Tammuz = Ishtar – who came to earth in an egg – landing in the Euphrates
To prove her divinity she changed a bird into an egg laying Rabbit
Today – the church does not celibrate Passover
Instead it celibrates Isthar (Easter) with a ham dinner and Easter Eggs
Want to hear the story of why they are colored blood-red?
Every Roman Christiandom preacher will tell you – do not know Zoroasterianism – leave it lone because it is pagan – yet every Nativity includeds 3 Zoroasterian Magi as validatein of the Dec 25th birth od Christendom
Jesus said
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
I like the paraphrase – don’t babble on like the pagans do
Yet every “christian” church I attend is filled with corporate prayer – I always ask / bring it up / want to discuss it – they all answer it is church tradition
This is the sweet curse of studying scripture at depth –
Roma Catholicism has been reformed many times – each time much “church” tradion follows – over 2000 registerd “christian” denominations in America and 99.9% embrace Dec 25th Christ-mass
This is exactly why I call myself a Gnostic Christian – just to seperate myself from the crowd – if many are called but few are chosen do you really want to be in the crowd?
2010 – I got my first Nag Hammadi - thinking origionally about dabbeling with Coptic-Greek. But all beginner Coptic language site I found at the time were in Egyptian or Arabic
POINT – The Temple was a library for Israel
Sure the Torah Scrolls were there
But also =- the ‘wisdom of thier forefathers’ – Enoch – King Solomon – and more
The dead Sea Scrolls
Yes the Torah is there
But also Enoch – The Book of Giants – The Book of Creation – The War Scroll and the Copper Scroll
The Nag Hammadi Libaray contains 33 titles all together
11 of which are attributed to – or are consistant with - James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
All of these guys present a Valentinian style theology – although the Gospel of Truth (attributed to Valentinious) doesn’t say much – just lot of blah blah – I only have a few notes in it and I don't think I have ever quoted from it
Several of the Titles are Sethian
Several of the titles - are not religious – Plato for example
Reading the Nag Hammadi is somewhat difficult – because it is like reading only the Roough English of an Interlinear
Reading the Nag Hammasi is hard – because for a few of the title – this is the only existing / surviving copy (Gospel of Phillip) – so it is impossible to compare translations against other copies.
Reading the Nag Hammadi is hard – because it is obvious the translator did not understand parts of Plato – what does this say about other text?
Reading the Nag Hammadi is hard because the text is incomplete – as all ancient text are
The Dialogue of the Savior
… When you [...] you will see those who [...] and also [...] tell you [...] the reasoning power [...] reasoning power [...] place of truth [...] but [...]. But you [...] truth, this [...] living [...] and your joy [...]. So [...] in order that [...] your souls [...] lest it [...] the word [...] raise... (3 lines indecipherable) ... For the crossing place is fearful before you. But you, with a single mind, pass it by! For its depth is great; its height is enormous [...] single mind [...] and the fire [...] [...] all the powers [...] you, they [...] and the powers [...] they [...][...] soul [...] [...] in everyone [...] you are the [...] and [...] forget [...] son [...] and you [...][...]."
Matthew said, "How [...][...]?"
The Savior said "[...] the things inside you [...] will remain, you [...]."
Judas said, "Lord [...] the works [...] these souls, these [...], these little ones, when [...] where will they be? [...] the spirit [...]?"
His disciples, numbering twelve, asked him, "Teacher, [...] serenity [...] teach us [...]."
The Lord said, "[...] everything which I have [...] you will [...] you [...] everything."
[...] said [...] speak, I [...]."
The Lord said, "[...] your Father [...]."
The Lord said, "Who knows that they will not dissolve and ... [2 lines missing]?"
So why is the Nag Hammdi more interesting than the Dead Sea Scrolls
The Dead Sea Scrolls – speak of a leader saviour figure – just not Jesus Christ
BUT – The Nag Hammadi says straight out (in 4 of the titles) Jesus appeared to me after the resurrection – and spoke on several topics
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
What did he teach?
1- The Trinity
The plurality of God has always been a Jewish teachings
You NEED to watch this -
(My dissagreement with these guy is just nit-picky things - vocbulary)
A Jewish Defense of the Trinity - The Case for Messiah
3- There is a warning about orginised religion usurping the faith
4- There is a warning about the archon influencing christian leaders corrupting the faith.
5- By far the largest conversation is about those archon / Principalities of Eph 6:12
Who are the archon?
The term archon is a early Christian Greek for – the shedim of King Solomon
Where did they come from?
They are the Beast – appearing Rev 12:3 / Gen 1:2
The Beast – the ancient serpent – we call devils and satanas
Gnostic – NT scripture says the Beast just appeared – but the NT also say nothing exist that wasn’t created by God – why
Answer – God created from the Right hand – and said – let there be
The Beast – appeared from the Left Hand - and was ugly so she tried to hide it away in a cloud of fire
When did the archon appear?
Gen 1:2 / Rev 12:3 – at the moment of creation
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Choshek?
The Hypostasis of the Archons
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
The First Archon (The BEAST) woke up and only saw matter – the physical world – and though he was alone. His clime is a ststement of arrogant ignorance – “god of the blind” = choshek = Darkness = Ignorance of God.
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."
… and seven archangels that stand before it; he is the eighth, and has authority. All the forms amount to seventy-two. Furthermore, from this chariot the seventy-two gods took shape; they took shape so that they might rule over the seventy-two languages of the peoples.
The First Archon (BEAST) did not create – he procreated
First 7 – as in the 7 heavens above
The 72 – each with its own area / mansion
On the Origin of the World
and seven archangels that stand before it; he is the eighth, and has authority. All the forms amount to seventy-two. Furthermore, from this chariot the seventy-two gods took shape; they took shape so that they might rule over the seventy-two languages of the peoples
Who teaches this – Islam – the reward for Jihad = 72 mansions and a virgin in each one
(just for fun – short)
Remember – we are discussing the religions spawn by Abraham – Judaism – Christianity – and Islam – all share their origin to Moses
King Solomon’s shedim = the Jinn of Islam = Jewish OT demonolgy
The Nag Hammadi - comes across very Jewish (from the First Chrstians)
The Nag Hammadi - describe the archon very much like the shedim of King Solomon – or the Jinn of Islam
Who is satanas?
Answer – there are many – just as there are many devils – because tere are many archon
The Frst Archon (The BEAST) is the father of all of them
Much like a militray hierarchy – 7 Generals under him – then – more (72?) Captians - then their minion / privates – (the ‘sar’ of Persia)
Who is Allah?
Is Allah the Catholic satan – the god of evil – NO
But – Allah is an Archon General in the army of the Beast – a satanas
Under him – he is the supreme leader of all the other-gods of the Levant
and the Jinn of Islam
Dispensation – has 7 different periords of history
Gen 1:1 creation
Gen 1:2 corruption
Gen 1:3 the LIGHT of salvation
Adam and Eve
corruption
Noah as a saviour
God makes a promise to Abraham
Israel becomes a slave to Egypt
Moses is a saviour
Isreal walks with God
Then they don’t
and a man /leader / prophet becomes saviour
Isreal walks with God
Then they don’t
and the Messiah came to deliver them
Christ opens the Age of the Gentile
People fall away from the faith
Christ comes a 2nd time as saviour
Gnostic Ages = Christian Dispensation
Both teach Isreal gathered together for the end times final battles
Literial – on the ground – to fulfill prophesy
You said you agree with Walid Shoebat
BUT - Ellen White’s Covanant Theology does not teach this
The church has replaced Israel - Israel is now lost
But so far – you have refuse to disuss it
DISPENSATIONALISM vs. COVENANT THEOLOGY
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You refuse to discuss that too
The Baha'i Faith and the Advent Movement - Roparna
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Bahai quoting SDA
Did You Miss the Return of Christ? - BahaiTeachings.org
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Bahai islam quoted by the SDA
Did the Millerite movement which became the Seventh-day ...
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Ellen White – Bahai islam = same source
dos Santos, Joselita Rodrigues (1933–2010) - ESDA
https://encyclopedia.adventist.org › article
Sep 7, 2021 — The Adventist message reached the family through the conversion of ... Santos pastors in the Bahia Conference of the SDA, December 16, 2019.
More connection between the two groups
roparna.se - http://roparna.se › the-bahai-faith-and-the-advent-mov...
Jul 8, 2017 — It shows a close eschatological connection between the two religions, and adds credibility to the Seventh-Day Adventist claim that God was …
Bahai quoting SDA
Did You Miss the Return of Christ? - BahaiTeachings.org
BahaiTeachings.org - https://bahaiteachings.org › did-you-miss-the-return-o...
Aug 21, 2016 — Dubbed by the Seventh-day Adventist Leroy Froom as one of the greatest and most dramatic events in the history of the world, the expectation ...
Missing: math | Show results with: math
Bahai islam quoted by the SDA
Did the Millerite movement which became the Seventh-day ...
Quora - https://www.quora.com › Did-the-Millerite-movement-w...
Did the Millerite movement which became the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Bábi movement which became the Bahá'í Faith spring from the same source in ...
· ...
Ellen White – Bahai islam = same source
dos Santos, Joselita Rodrigues (1933–2010) - ESDA
https://encyclopedia.adventist.org › article
Sep 7, 2021 — The Adventist message reached the family through the conversion of ... Santos pastors in the Bahia Conference of the SDA, December 16, 2019.
More connection between the two groups
My comment to you
You ask – how to properly to amnuh / faith / support
Question – do you really think it includes denying so much scripture?
You critisize Judaism – yet you do noy understand what judiasm teaches
Answer – learn instead of complaining – denying – and critisizing
You critsize Mainsteam Christianity – yet you do not understand what it teaches
Answer – learn – improve youself
Scripture promises -if you truly seek God – He will find you
Scripture promises – if you knock – he will answer
Question – do you really think it includes denying so much scripture?
Look at
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Pick a class – and we will take it together
Bible study OT or NT
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This would would be right up my alley
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Your points
What is a provider? A being that is an agent who provides humans with things, like decisions, temptations and other ways to do RA.
Agree – the archon fuel our (yester ra) until we act on it
The unfortunate truth = all men are selfish (yester ra)
The use of this word "ab" is very significant. It means the chief opposer was wanting to be like the Most High and be a heavenly father like the heavenly Father is.
NOPE – it means that the archon are the providers of deception
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My second point is the term "ratsach" meaning "no wounding". The Opposer main opposition to GOD is the opposer wounds the chances of humans seeking salvation.
I know you want to blame you satan for all your sin
But – your choices are your choices alone – the responsibility is your’s
If you jump off the roof – who is to blame you or the people urging you on
If you jump off the roof – you are committing suicide
If you choose world instead of God – you are committing spiritual suicide
Your choices are your choices alone – the responsibility is your’s
No they can't says Dave, only the Jews know the truth from the very beginning. If that were truth why did God punish them over and over with nations invading them?
Same answer as – why did God create the world
To reveal his wealth and glory
Same answer as – why did Moses lead Israel out of Egypt
To reveal his wealth and glory – and to prove that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the one true God!
Same answer as – why was israel victorious when they walked with God
To reveal his wealth and glory – and to prove that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the one true God!