Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2023 23:05:16 GMT -5
The Robert Method
Robert is the one that brought Isa 28:10 to this forum
Isa 28:10 For it must be ‘precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.’
He has also introduced us to Jeff Brenner – we were both active members of Jeff Brenner’s Ancient Hebrew Research forum – until it closed.
Robert claimes to have studied with Jeff Brenner. The class of textural root analysis is only $125UDA. Robert presents Jeff’s teaching as – find the root of each Hebrew word and then that root must be the meaning of every usage.
Robert uses Isa 21:10 as scriptural license to play individual word games
Robert goes so far as to allow zero polysemy
I just spent some time on Jeff Brenner’s web-site – He does not teach the Robert Method the syllabus of his class reads:
Define Hebrew words based on their original cultural context
Robert denies context – has no bearing on the root word
• Use a Bible concordance and dictionary to define Hebrew words and roots.
• Know how to use various Hebrew lexicons to do a study of Hebrew words and roots.
Why more than one reference source? - explained below
• Find the definition of a word based on the context of how it is used in the Bible.
Robert denies context – has no bearing on the root word
• Have a basic understanding of the philosophy and thought process of the Hebrew people allowing for proper Biblical interpretation.
Robert says: The Jews are wrong – the Jews never understood their own lives – theology, or religion- only the Roman Catholic view is correct
• Use E-Sword to do an in-depth study of Hebrew words.
I love E-sword – uses it daily – there is a large Hebrew section – but what I looked at was in Hebrew not English.- I did not check all of them out. I will look for a Jeff Brenner addition to my software
Bible Study: How Greek word studies can lead you astray
18:19
2:00 – in the history of theological debate – never has it involved the meaning of a particular word
4:45 – some people generate long lists of verses to prove they really studied it thoroughly – yet still miss the meaning of the context
5:20 – how to look up a word in a lexicon – picking the best fit word so it says what you want it to – without considering context
8:25 – the difference between a dictionary and a lexicon
9:00 – the problem with Greek Biblical lexicons
All a products of the Roman church throughout history
Biblical lexicons limit word usage to scripture
War – 18 usages in scripture – skews the scope of the word
Classical Greek lexicons have 100s of usages to compare
12:55 – the root meaning of a word does not mandate its use in context
English example - @#$%
Google) the Dutch word “fokken,” meaning “to beget children
Old French word that meant 'to have sex
English fyke, fike "move restlessly, fidget"
Today – the word – still means sex – but also disappointment / frustration – and even a wink of approval
13:10 – Synchronic –
examining the word in the context of the time it was used
examining the word in the context between different authors
17th Century French nice means stupid
20th Century English means pleasant
16:00 – IMPORTANT POINT – it is not the meaning of the individual words but the idea – the concept they portray together – the precept
16:40 – The words themselves are NOT the authors total argument
16:58 – we are to look at the argument of all scripture – and not become hung up on individual words
I would say – the bulk of scripture must validate itself – theme upon theme, teaching upon teaching, precept upon precept, line upon line
Robert is the one that brought Isa 28:10 to this forum
Isa 28:10 For it must be ‘precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.’
He has also introduced us to Jeff Brenner – we were both active members of Jeff Brenner’s Ancient Hebrew Research forum – until it closed.
Robert claimes to have studied with Jeff Brenner. The class of textural root analysis is only $125UDA. Robert presents Jeff’s teaching as – find the root of each Hebrew word and then that root must be the meaning of every usage.
Robert uses Isa 21:10 as scriptural license to play individual word games
Robert goes so far as to allow zero polysemy
I just spent some time on Jeff Brenner’s web-site – He does not teach the Robert Method the syllabus of his class reads:
Define Hebrew words based on their original cultural context
Robert denies context – has no bearing on the root word
• Use a Bible concordance and dictionary to define Hebrew words and roots.
• Know how to use various Hebrew lexicons to do a study of Hebrew words and roots.
Why more than one reference source? - explained below
• Find the definition of a word based on the context of how it is used in the Bible.
Robert denies context – has no bearing on the root word
• Have a basic understanding of the philosophy and thought process of the Hebrew people allowing for proper Biblical interpretation.
Robert says: The Jews are wrong – the Jews never understood their own lives – theology, or religion- only the Roman Catholic view is correct
• Use E-Sword to do an in-depth study of Hebrew words.
I love E-sword – uses it daily – there is a large Hebrew section – but what I looked at was in Hebrew not English.- I did not check all of them out. I will look for a Jeff Brenner addition to my software
Bible Study: How Greek word studies can lead you astray
18:19
2:00 – in the history of theological debate – never has it involved the meaning of a particular word
4:45 – some people generate long lists of verses to prove they really studied it thoroughly – yet still miss the meaning of the context
5:20 – how to look up a word in a lexicon – picking the best fit word so it says what you want it to – without considering context
8:25 – the difference between a dictionary and a lexicon
9:00 – the problem with Greek Biblical lexicons
All a products of the Roman church throughout history
Biblical lexicons limit word usage to scripture
War – 18 usages in scripture – skews the scope of the word
Classical Greek lexicons have 100s of usages to compare
12:55 – the root meaning of a word does not mandate its use in context
English example - @#$%
Google) the Dutch word “fokken,” meaning “to beget children
Old French word that meant 'to have sex
English fyke, fike "move restlessly, fidget"
Today – the word – still means sex – but also disappointment / frustration – and even a wink of approval
13:10 – Synchronic –
examining the word in the context of the time it was used
examining the word in the context between different authors
17th Century French nice means stupid
20th Century English means pleasant
16:00 – IMPORTANT POINT – it is not the meaning of the individual words but the idea – the concept they portray together – the precept
16:40 – The words themselves are NOT the authors total argument
16:58 – we are to look at the argument of all scripture – and not become hung up on individual words
I would say – the bulk of scripture must validate itself – theme upon theme, teaching upon teaching, precept upon precept, line upon line