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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 14:43:00 GMT -5
Wow you touch my heart strings and a little tear wells in my eye Dave.
What is salvation than? if it's not a process?
Is not Jesus both a person and a presence.
I am saved immediately by the Person, but daily I have to commune with His presence.
So how does a person walk in the communion of the Person?
Prayer, study and witness.
These things are words we say, words we read, and words we give away to others.
Often the words are also kindness , or money, or efforts of things we do for others, not just words only, words come with packages, that are unpacked for the receiver.
The reason we study words in the Scripture is to receive the WORD, who is Jesus personifying the Father, who is the Words of Living.
When we take these words, we commit them to memory and speak those words in prayer so the words come back to us with their packages of divine power. This is a process of faith. But really it is more simply speaking the words in a humble and meek way, without known sinning in your life.
Easy to say but difficult to achieve. How do we surrender self and allow us to speak those words in a humble and meek manner to God? God reads the heart and knows if your words pretend or are exalted in pride, or are presumption, you don't have to speak Hebrew or Greek or even get the correct prayer promises exactly correct, just speak roughly the words and God hears your babbling and empowers your request. Does this work so easily? Do we achieve private wonders and miracles in our private lives with God?
Many Christians feel our walk with God is silence, and that we do pious stuff and God accepts our service to Him. Why would you want to worship a God that is silent and does not speak to you? Does not God speak to us via the HS and via the conscience, a divine aspect built into the soul of our biology, places there by God for this very purpose? Yes but this communion centre is also the same place for our self talk, and the voice of the evil agents who suggest influences to us so we do yester ra. Yes this communion centre, the conscience is a place of many voices, do we often discern the still small voice of God? And how do we know we listen to the right voices?
1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Scripture tells us to discern the voices with testing. What kind of testings do we do?
Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
This tells me by their fruits ye shall know the voices. How do they influence you? What manner of fruit do you bear from listening to the voice.
Wow, there is a television series called "The Voice", how much has the world agents of RA taken over the Bible concepts to know God. So many youth listen to music and drown out the still small voice and thus they hear nothing but the worldly music " I am music and I make the whole world sing".
For this reason I do not listen to music much, I prefer the noisey jungle sounds of the bush, the quiet communion voices I hear in the conscience of the HS, and listen to the sounds of Jesus speaking in my ear.
Sometimes I do achieve success and spend several hours with God without missing His powers, but often I also spend hours missing His powers too. There is a curse written in Scripture written about this:
Ho 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
When we are filled with the Lord we become happy, but when we are happy we rise in exaltation and pride and forget the Lord.
The only way to experience not become smug, is to give away our fruits as soon as we receive them.
A tomato plant I have noticed keeps on make tomato fruit as long as you keep picking the fruit from the vine. As soon as you stop picking the fruit, it dies.
Often when we a full of experiences of happiness in Jesus, we are bursting to tell somebody, often in proud achievement "O wow, I just got a prayer promised answered" others frown at your miracles of grace and do not want to know, or are not interested because it does not happen to them, so you quickly learn to stop showing off, and I use these words intentionally, because such things tend to make you proud, its hard to continue being meek and humble after receiving a blessing from Jesus.
So these are some of my experiences of salvation in the Person, called my Saviour.
Lu 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Peter experienced something here, He lost his pride and learned to be humble and meek, and focus on Jesus rather than on self. It took him many years with Jesus to learn this, so we can see the Person is a also a Presence. We can talk about the Presents from the Person, or the Power from His Presence. Private wonders are best produced first. Public powers come later.
Pr 22:6 ¶ Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
What is it we train ourselves in?
Pr 22:8 ¶ He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail.
Here is a opposite clue, do not do evil, and thus reap "Aven" the propensities of habit sins, we learn to love, our pet sins.
Pr 22:9 ¶ He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.
Here is a positive clue, learn to see the blessing in the Scripture, and give our efforts to the poor.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2022 6:55:04 GMT -5
What is salvation than? if it's not a process? Salvation is a gift – you have it or you do not – there is no such thing as one person saved more than the other
I am saved immediately by the Person, Then why do you call it a process?
but daily I have to commune with His presence. YOU ABSOLUTELY DENY You say this was something only for the disciples 2000 years ago Today – you mock it and all those who claim to have experienced it
So how does a person walk in the communion of the Person? Prayer, study and witness. These things are words we say, words we read, and words we give away to others. BOOM - Thing to do is NOT COMMUNION
The reason we study words in the Scripture is to receive the WORD, who is Jesus personifying the Father, who is the Words of Living. You deny that Christianity is living and active – those things we only for Christians 2000 years ago
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 16:35:31 GMT -5
D"Then why do you call it a process?
R" Yes receiving the seed is a gift, the word comes to my mind as a seed, called Jesus.
But like all seeds it germinates without any help from me, and does what a seed becomes.
Once the seedling grows in me, I do have some things to do, like caring, nurturing and watering, weeding and removing the fruits from the tree growing in me. Scholars term the seed beginning justification and the seed growing sanctification. Both are processes and yet the process begins as a gift.
D"BOOM - Thing to do is NOT COMMUNION R" OK you explain salvation than....
Ps 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
If we are similes of trees, we grow daily like trees grow, and this is a daily work, of
(1) drinking in HS before the day begins and up-taking word minerals. (2) looking at the SON to receive the energy of living (3) wilting under the strain of working for the Lord of Trees (4) allowing others to come and remove the fruits of His labour in us, a tree.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2022 18:26:06 GMT -5
D"Then why do you call it a process? R" Yes receiving the seed is a gift, the word comes to my mind as a seed, called Jesus. Then why do you call it a process?
But like all seeds it germinates without any help from me, and does what a seed becomes. More knowledgeable of scripture – a desire to learn and understand
So how does a person walk in the communion of the Person? Prayer, study and witness. These things are words we say, words we read, and words we give away to others. BOOM - Things to do is NOT COMMUNION
You can read all the books you want about the Queen of England – or Russia’s Putin IT IS NOT COMMUNION – to commune is to exchange back and forth - a conversation
D"BOOM - Things to do is NOT COMMUNION R" OK you explain salvation than.... R" Yes receiving the seed is a gift, the word comes to my mind as a seed, called Jesus.
If we are similes of trees, we grow daily like trees grow, and this is a daily work, of (1) drinking in HS before the day begins and up-taking word minerals. Growing in understanding of His word – not church doctrine
(2) looking at the SON to receive the energy of living You deny that the Son is God – you call Him another god – a different individual god
(3) wilting under the strain of working for the Lord of Trees NO – you say God only needs to test man (Job) once
(4) allowing others to come and remove the fruits of His labour in us, a tree. What is FRUIT – you absolutely deny this – the concept of First fruits is not an SDA teaching
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 4:06:57 GMT -5
Greetings
Communion is a process of doing. You speak, you listen, you pray, you walk and talk
What are you saying? " Things to do is NOT COMMUNION"
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 25, 2022 4:51:42 GMT -5
Communion is a process of doing. You speak, you listen, you pray, you walk and talk What are you saying? " Things to do is NOT COMMUNION"
No Robert – the practice religion – performing rituals or sacraments is not the Communion Christians are called to.
Act 1:4 and, being assembled together with them, he charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, ye heard from me:
Every disciple was a believer – every disciple had ritual communion with Jesus at the Last Supper. They talked with Christ – shared ideas – Q&A – received information and instruction
Act 1:5 for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.
You know I am speaking of the spirit – spirit to Spirit – the Promised Comforter You have a different religion with a different theology – man has no spirit – God is not spirit – and there is nothing spiritual in your doctrine – just DNA and biology
(google) communion 1. the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level. 2. the service of Christian worship at which bread and wine are consecrated and shared.
(google) What is the true meaning of Communion? 1 an act or instance of sharing. 2 capitalized : a Christian sacrament in which consecrated bread and wine are consumed as memorials of Christ's death or as symbols for the realization of a spiritual union between Christ and communicant or as the body and blood of Christ.
(google) What is the purpose of having Communion? What does being in Communion with God mean? The true meaning of communion is to share. When you are in a relationship with the Holy Spirit you are sharing with Him and He is sharing with you, and there is a sense of communion. This is what Adam and Eve experienced with God at the beginning in the garden of Eden.
You have a different religion with a different theology – man has no spirit – God is not spirit – and there is nothing spiritual in your doctrine – just DNA and biology = WORLD
You don't even have One True God - you have a pantheon of lessor gods that have to work together to do something
ahl/OT stories of man walking and talking with God - only happend long ago - not today agl/NT promise of gifts of the spirit - or speaking in tongues - only happened long ago - not today
WHY ISN'T YOUR FAITH ALIVE TODAY? -- WHY ISN'T YOU RELIGION REAL TODAY?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 16:06:48 GMT -5
D"The true meaning of communion is to share. When you are in a relationship with the Holy Spirit you are sharing with Him and He is sharing with you, and there is a sense of communion.
R" I thought the HS is feminine, when you are baptized under the Holy Spirit, you are baptized into Jesus, as your Saviour.
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
And this "spirit" comes by "faith in Jesus" who is a representative of the elohiym power.
You mock me again, so a Question I ask of you is this, what makes elohiym plural?
You might say the Father has duality, than essentially you make the Father into two powers, one is masculine as Jesus and other feminine as the HS. How is this not polytheism?
My theory is much the same, elohiym is plural and denotes a family power. Singular power, not multiple powers from each member of the Godhead. Hence one family power is monotheism.
However there are cases where the plural term is used as another plural term:
Ge 20:13 And it came to pass, when God (elohiym's) caused me to wander from my father's house,
Gordon discovers 6 such verses do this, but ignores them for the majority use of elohiym as a singular term, power.
My faith is very much alive today, last night I claim tadamah for myself as a deep sleep, the the Lord Jesus empowered me with this, and I slept soundly, which I normally don't do.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Who is "his spirit" , the deep things of elohiym, is Jesus our Saviour, who represents the Father as His word personified in the Son.
You say some weird things about me, I certainly do claim Jesus is divine a member of the the great uncaused cause, who is immortal and almighty from eternity and infinity.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
We do not receive the spirit of the world, but the spirit of the elohiym power in heaven.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
The HS is our teacher, our tutor who guides us using the powers of Jesus, His spirit in us.
1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The HS dwells in all of us, but with the saved, we have another comforter, the indwelling presence of the spirit of Jesus, via the HS, empowers us to live forever under His grace.
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God,
You can defile the temple of elohiym, which is your biological body by simply eating the wrong foods and drinking the wrong drink and walking the temple in the wrong path.
1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Paul lists some of the wrong things we can do with our bodies, and these things are defined by reading the way the royal torah is spoken, the ten commandments are written regarding our faith.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
SO our biological body and our union with Jesus spirit is both important, that we become one.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Again Paul writes the important of the faith principles we use to claim the powers of Jesus.
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
It was Jesus (YHWH-Jesus) who rescued Israel from the Pharoah and presented Israel to Sinai to hear the words of elohiym speak.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
Paul speaks of weakness and disease as signs we are not following Jesus in faith correctly and worthily as we should.
1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
The HS empowers us with different gifts and abilities, powers from Jesus.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Some of these different gifts are
1) wisdom 2) knowledge 3) faith 4) healing 5) miracles 6) prophecy 7) discerning wizards 8) speaking languages' 9) translation of languages
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
SO each person is given these gifts "dividing to every man severally as he will." As each person is talented to receive.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
This applied to the elohiym power too, but you ignore the simile here.
1Co 12:27 ¶ Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
We are adopted into the family of Jesus, who is our Father and we are related to Him as our seed, descendant from Him, by faith we become clones of Jesus in a way.
But Eph 3:15,16 also we we are part of the family of elohiym as well, via Jesus who is the Son of heavenly parents.
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Not all receive the same gifts, not all speak in languages.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 25, 2022 20:11:58 GMT -5
D"The true meaning of communion is to share. When you are in a relationship with the Holy Spirit you are sharing with Him and He is sharing with you, and there is a sense of communion. R" I thought the HS is feminine, when you are baptized under the Holy Spirit, you are baptized into Jesus, as your Saviour. Robert’s word game so he doesn’t have to understand
Question I ask of you is this, what makes elohiym plural? Trinity – Father – Son – and Holy Spirit – you know this is my answer
You say some weird things about me, I certainly do claim Jesus is divine a member of the the great uncaused cause, who is immortal and almighty from eternity and infinity. You argue that only God is immortal – now you say Christ is immortal Is God Christ – or is scripture wrong again and there are more than one immortals according to you Please pick a consistent doctrine and stick with it – contradiction man
You can defile the temple of elohiym, which is your biological body by simply eating the wrong foods and drinking the wrong drink and walking the temple in the wrong path. WOW – only the healthy can be saved
and again the agl/NT must be wrong according to Robert - Jesus spoke in error More reason I will never adopt your SDA crap!
Mat 15:11 It’s not what goes into the mouth that makes the man unholy; but what comes out of the mouth, this makes the man unholy.”
Mar 7:15 There is nothing outside the man that can make him unholy by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of the man that makes the man unholy.”
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 15:44:13 GMT -5
D"Trinity – Father – Son – and Holy Spirit – you know this is my answer R" SO this is multiple expressions, polytheism, just a word game on your part?
D"You argue that only God is immortal – now you say Christ is immortal R" The Father the Son and the HS have always been immortal and of a family of divine power. Notice I use the term in the singular case, not divine powers, but divine power, they function as one echad.
D"Please pick a consistent doctrine and stick with it – contradiction man R" No need to mock, I have always been consistent, you could read my website, I have read yours at least twice, so few pages. I have only written around 1500 pages but most of that are Bible word studies.
D"WOW – only the healthy can be saved R" COrrect, unless God overlooks your ignorance and saves you as a fire brand from the fire
D"Mat 15:11 It’s not what goes into the mouth that makes the man unholy; but what comes out of the mouth, this makes the man unholy.” R" What is the context?
Mt 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, Jesus is talking about hypocrites
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Many Jews follow traditions and cultural precepts of men, seeking praise from men
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Many do not guard the commandments of God, they socialize with the commandments of men, that become doctrines to them, like the hundreds of rules regarding Sabbath keeping for example.
10 ¶ And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
THis is a highly complex poetry simile.... When we eat food, we make our bodies from that food. But some foods we eat also influence the body, I am referring to DNA and RNA fragments from the food, these are words that come into the body. However despite this good or bad word baggage, it is the words that come out of the word that God judges you by. If you seek God by faith, you speak His words and they come into your body changing your mind into the mind of God and when you speak you speak the words of God, this process is called faith, and saves you daily.
Some are saved instantly as a firebrand in the fire because God knows your words are limited, but acceptable to Him. Others speak words for a long time because God likes to be glorified before others.
So the similes you speak of are not as simple, as we can eat whatever we like.
If you drink alcohol for instance, your words are slurred and vague and you are condemned already because you chose to defile the body temple of the HS.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? 13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Here Jesus says, you are condemned by the words you eat or not eat. The DNA contains words in you already, many letters are constantly restored or lost, what you eat helps slow down this process ( if you chose well) , so you are more healthy to speak God's words. A drunk or a druggie finds it difficult to concentrate on God's words for example. Many people you speak to are brain dead ( so to speak) because the foods they eat reduce their capacities to reason. Vaccine damage permanently reduces cognitive reasoning in a lot of others. You failed to discuss the fact we are not all gifted by gifts from God via the HS? DO you agree with this?
SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 26, 2022 20:19:17 GMT -5
D"Trinity – Father – Son – and Holy Spirit – you know this is my answer R" SO this is multiple expressions, polytheism, just a word game on your part? There is Only One true God – he is beyond your understanding = can experience His Left hand – and we can experience Hid Left hand
D"You argue that only God is immortal – now you say Christ is immortal R" The Father the Son and the HS have always been immortal and of a family of divine power. Notice I use the term in the singular case, not divine powers, but divine power, they function as one echad.
So is Scripture wrong – you have multiple immortals – NOT one God
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
So Christ is immortal – but God is NOT Please explain your contradictory teaching – Christ is not God impossible = ther are two different ggods working together so love can exist Which one of your multiple gods is the immortal one?
D"WOW – only the healthy can be saved R" COrrect, unless God overlooks your ignorance and saves you as a fire brand from the fire Gosh – why doesn’t your god have room in his kingdom for the weak and infirmed? Some god of love you preach
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 17:33:10 GMT -5
D" So is Scripture wrong – you have multiple immortals – NOT one GodWhat is wrong with family cells of the heart, as a concept? You started as one cell and grew to make clones and each clone decided to make special functions of the each functioning as echad. Than they volunteer to give up free will, and independence and choose to family function as one organ. Pagan family deities do not give up free will and independence, like Zeus family they all do things selfishly... What are you afraid of? Why must the great uncaused cause be cardinally one? Why not two, why not three? why not four? why not five? DO you have any reasons for one, verses against the other numbers? I do, but you refuse to discuss... Why is the atom make of three particles (neutron, proton and electron) rather than one particle? Why does H exist as H3, as well as H2 and also as H ? You support something I don't like The HS creates without her consort.... How is this possible... Your notions of the right hand does not know of the left hand is foolishness to me.... SO if I step on a nail my mind doesn't know... In my view the HS or Jesus cannot create on their own, it's always a community effort of oneness. But I could be wrong, and I understand that... " he is beyond your understanding" as you point out. But what is it you have against elohiym being a divine family? Multiple gods, ? nothing multiple about them.... The word elohiym means spiritualsprings.org/ss-996.htm"The Strong ( aleph) caring Authority (lamed) Secure. (waw) BEHOLD the Being! (hey) flows..." (mem) I do not see a multiple flow of powers here, only a singular flow, one flow. Not many flows. SO what in the world are you afraid of.... I read Scripture and it says so plainly. How many el do we have in heaven ? Three eloah "Strong authority secure Behold the Father as a Being" el shaddy " Strong authority pressing to the door with active hands" "Emmanu"el" One who is like elohiym, the Son of elohiym. Do all three el exist in one passage of torah? Yes Pr 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him Here "ruwach, eloah and imrah" put your trust in HIM, not THEM. Job 40:1 ¶ Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, 2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. YHWH-Jesus, eloah and shadday, Let HIM answer it, not THEY answer.De 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. 5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation. 6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee? 7 ¶ Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee. 8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9 For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance. 10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. 11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings: 12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him. 13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock; The tsuwr rock (Father) , eagle under her wings (Shadday/HS) and YHWH-Jesus alone did lead Israel, not they led IsraelNow we move to similes using poetry [pictures] of the three authorites, but only one EL leads, singular HE, not THEY, THEM Ge 17:1 ¶ And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, YHWH-Jesus, el Shadday, elohiym (ELoah Father power flows) Notice t hree appear but only ONE creature looks like man, speaks with two others like angels. I could go on but you get my drift, only one power flows, not multiple powers flow. The NT examples are easier to see... Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. If Jesus was the Father expressed in humanity why did Philip ask differently? Something wrong in your view Dave. Jesus spoke ans said I am showing you my Father's flow of power... this is faith by the way and how faith works... You cannot have faith function unless it is relational... De 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God (elohiym), the faithful (Amen) God (el), 1Co 1:9 God is faithful, La 3:23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness. For elohiym to have great amanuah, they have to support divine members but with ONE FLOW. What is your problem with elohiym? multiple gods? NO. Scripture does not teach this... A family of three divine strong authorities producing one flow of power? Yes Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, Another Scripture you ignore?? Is the elohiym family renamed? Yes eloah -> father shadday -> HS Emmanual -> Yashuah The divine family is renamed because salvation is completed at the cross when Jesus died for mischief. Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, You do not have a reason why Jesus died, but I do. And the reason is because of mischief, but you don't have opposers opposing God do you? Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 27, 2022 20:59:48 GMT -5
Why must the great uncaused cause be cardinally one? Why not two, why not three? why not four? why not five? And you wonder why people won’t exchange emails with you
DO you have any reasons for one, verses against the other numbers? I do, but you refuse to discuss... There is no discussion worth having – there is Only One true God
Why must the great uncaused cause be cardinally one? Why not two, why not three? why not four? why not five? Because those of us who embrace scripture – reject your pagan ideas -----------------
You support something I don't like The HS creates without her consort.... How is this possible... Your notions of the right hand does not know of the left hand is foolishness to me....
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: Yes how dare Jesus use Jewish idioms – that Christians refuse to grasp
Pr 30:-5 - Here "ruwach, eloah and imrah" put your trust in HIM, not THEM. Correct – there is Only One True God
Job 40:1-2 YHWH-Jesus, eloah and shadday, Let HIM answer it, not THEY answer. Correct – there is Only One True God
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 16:03:37 GMT -5
D"Pr 30:-5 - Here "ruwach, eloah and imrah" put your trust in HIM, not THEM. Correct – there is Only One True God
R" Is this your discussion, one pithy line? Plus you copy and paste heaps of verses from the Internet? Plus you also have to mock "And you wonder why people won’t exchange emails with you" I thought you said we have a rule of mutual respect on this forum? You post "correct" about what?
That ruwach, eloah and imrah are three expressions of the eloah ? That YHWH-Jesus and YHWH-eloah are two expressions of eloah Is that what you mean by "correct"?
Why is eloah also written as ruwach and imrah than? Why did eloah who flows also create gender male and gender female than? Why did eloah say the TWO become ECHAD flesh in marriage? What does this mean?
I suppose you claim the Creation is not a simile about the eloah who flows?
What does Romans 1:20 say than?
Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Why this weird translation of "godhead" what does the LXX say?
Ro 1:20 (KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Ro 1:20 (ASV) For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: Ro 1:20 (BBE) For from the first making of the world, those things of God which the eye is unable to see, that is, his eternal power and existence, are fully made clear, he having given the knowledge of them through the things which he has made, so that men have no reason for wrongdoing: Ro 1:20 (DBY) --for from [the] world's creation the invisible things of him are perceived, being apprehended by the mind through the things that are made, both his eternal power and divinity, --so as to render them inexcusable. Ro 1:20 (MKJV) For the unseen things of Him from [the] creation of [the] world [are] clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse. Ro 1:20 (MNT) For ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, even his everlasting power and divinity, has been clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made. So they have no excuse. Ro 1:20 (NKJV) For since the creation of the world His invisible [attributes] are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, Ro 1:20 (RSV) Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; Ro 1:20 (TCNT) For ever since the creation of the universe God's invisible attributes-his everlasting power and divinity-are to be seen and studied in his works, so that men have no excuse; Ro 1:20 (WEB) For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse. Ro 1:20 (WNT) For, from the very creation of the world, His invisible perfections--namely His eternal power and divine nature--have been rendered intelligible and clearly visible by His works, so that these men are without excuse. Ro 1:20 (YLT) for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead--to their being inexcusable;
2305. theiotés ► Strong's Concordance theiotés: divinity, divine nature Original Word: θειότης, ητος, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: theiotés Phonetic Spelling: (thi-ot'-ace) Definition: divinity, divine nature Usage: divinity, divine nature. HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 2305 theiótēs (a feminine noun derived from 2304 /theíos, "divine," which is derived from 2316 /theós, "God") – properly, deity manifested, i.e. the revelation of God (His attributes) which reveals Himself for people to know (used only in Ro 1:20).
ROb" A feminine power? weird, must we consult scholars? WHat does the LXX say?
If eloah wanted to make something in his own image he would have created Adam gender male and gender female and Eve gender male and gender female, as two exact clones and two exact expressions of each other. But eloah didn't?
What I find is Adam and Eve are genetic clones of each other, but NOT personality clones.
Adam has XY genes (additonal infomation) Eve has Adam genes only , a XX (missing some information).
This causes technically one as an expression of the other, as clones are, but they are not personality clones, their loving styles are different. And if I throw in a SON, this would be Y from Adam and X from Eve, the son is also a clone of both parents, but his maleness loving is very close to Adam, but with slight influences from Eve, the SON shows collective love.
Therefore we have three unique expressions of love here, the provider love, the responder love and the collector love.
And all three divine beings are clones of each other. You also do not understand the difference between yaccid and echad.
Now if you wish to pick one verse, I gave you many examples of mine with discussion, you pick one and discuss
I do not need a flood of verses, one verse is enough to turn this whole debate around.... one verse only...
You ignore my verses I presented and did not discuss any of them, just a pithy line.... (You wrote two lines last post) (THis post I have written 20 lines) How about having a serious discussion? Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 28, 2022 18:38:13 GMT -5
D"Pr 30:-5 - Here "ruwach, eloah and imrah" put your trust in HIM, not THEM. Correct – there is Only One True God R" Is this your discussion, one pithy line? Plus you copy and paste heaps of verses from the Internet?
OVERWHELMINGLY SCRIPTURE MAKES IT CLEAR – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD – THERE IS NO OTHER Precept upon precept, line upon line
That ruwach, eloah and imrah are three expressions of the eloah ? That YHWH-Jesus and YHWH-eloah are two expressions of eloah Is that what you mean by "correct"?
I will say this only once more – if you choose to deny scripture it is your choice
Exo 33:18 And he (Moses) said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. God is beyond our comprehension – outside of out reality God = Creation God = Our reality E = Mc2 The only way man can describe God the Creator = omnipotent
Exo 33:22 And … my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: The Glory of God – IS THIS god #2 – NO The Glory of God = the Holy Spirit – Jewish Shekinah
Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: God’s back - IS THIS a 3rd god? – NO – it is a glimpse of the form – the image of God
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
God the Creator (before our reality – Creator of our reality) – is larger than reality – outside of man’s experience Within man’s reality – within man’s experience = The Glory of God = the Holy Spirit – Jewish Shekinah Within man’s reality – within man’s experience = The image of God = Christ
Jesus = the Son of man + (the Son of God – Christ) = Jesus Christ 100% fully human + 100% fully divine 100% biology + 100% Christ 100% (yester ra) just like all og us + (yester tov – in case = God incarnate)
Why did eloah who flows also create gender male and gender female than? Answer – scripture says: - it is the image of God – a duality of nature – a Right and Left hand
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
What does Romans 1:20 say than?
Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Why this weird translation of "godhead" what does the LXX say?
OK – why is it hard to have an academic discussion with you? Why would agl/NT Book of Romans by Paul – be in the Septuagint of 250BC Egypt? How should I answer this Mr. Serious Also – The Textus Receptus is the perfect text according to you – Good Ole KJV
What does Romans 1:20 say than? Simply that each real – properly understood – evidence all point to the One true Creator – Intelligent Design – does not matter if it is science – or philophesy – from history - or from the pagan world – all together it = God’s Creation Precept upon precept, line upon line
2305. theiotés ► Strong's Concordance theiotés: divinity, divine nature Original Word: θειότης, ητος, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: theiotés Phonetic Spelling: (thi-ot'-ace) Definition: divinity, divine nature Usage: divinity, divine nature. HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 2305 theiótēs (a feminine noun derived from 2304 /theíos, "divine," which is derived from 2316 /theós, "God") – properly, deity manifested, i.e. the revelation of God (His attributes) which reveals Himself for people to know (used only in Ro 1:20).
ROb" A feminine power? weird, must we consult scholars? WHat does the LXX say?
deity manifested,- how we experience God = the Holy Spirit – Jewish Shekinah i.e. the revelation of God (His attributes) which reveals Himself for people to know Revelation – which reveals Himself = the Holy Spirit – Jewish Shekinah
WHat does the LXX say?
Exo 33:22 (LXX) ἡνίκα δ᾿ ἂν παρέλθῃ μου ἡ δόξα, καὶ θήσω σε εἰς ὀπὴν τῆς πέτρας καὶ σκεπάσω τῇ χειρί μου ἐπὶ σέ, ἕως ἂν παρέλθω·
G1391 – δόξα - doxa Thayer Definition: 1) opinion, judgment, view 2) opinion, estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone 2a) in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and glory 3) splendour, brightness 3a) of the moon, sun, stars 3b) magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace 3c) majesty 3c1) a thing belonging to God 3c1) the kingly majesty which belongs to him as supreme ruler, majesty in the sense of the absolute perfection of the deity 3c2) a thing belonging to Christ 3c2a) the kingly majesty of the Messiah 3c2b) the absolutely perfect inward or personal excellency of Christ; the majesty 3c3) of the angels 3c3a) as apparent in their exterior brightness 4) a most glorious condition, most exalted state 4a) of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth 4b) the glorious condition of blessedness into which is appointed and promised that true Christians shall enter after their Saviour’s return from heaven Part of Speech: noun feminine ---------------
If eloah wanted to make something in his own image he would have created Adam gender male and gender female and Eve gender male and gender female, as two exact clones and two exact expressions of each other. But eloah didn't? I have no idea of your point – why do you deny scripture and make up this crap
Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness! Let them rule over the fish of the sea, over the flying creatures of the sky, over the livestock, over the whole earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the land.” Gen 1:27 God created humankind in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them.
What I find is Adam and Eve are genetic clones of each other, but NOT personality clones. WORLD – WORLD – WORLD – DNA – biology – it is all you see and talk about
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 3:38:51 GMT -5
I read your comments, but I see nothing we can discuss further. Shalom
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