Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 15:51:11 GMT -5
D"as the more fossil evidence emerges – more and more it denies evolution and supports the Scriptural record – Incremental Creation
R" In don't mind your Incremental Creation theory of faith, it seems OK, as any theory of the past is OK,
However I just take Genesis as it reads, not try to impose my human wisdom upon it.
D"Quote me your scripture
(1) Principle that renewed not brand new, means the new creation is just a renewal of a past creation.
So on the basis of this principle, kainos rather than neos,
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat.
Lion return to being herbivore, was not created initially carnivore, is obvious from thie scripture.
Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
Again the principle that chadesh means renewal, things are restored to what they were originally.
Re 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea
All the fish become fresh water..salty water goes away
Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Death in all it's forms of pain is restored to a world without death
D"Young earth people who count days and years to reach 5387 overlook that
God caused time to stand still for Joshua
God caused time to run backwards for Hezekiah
Time is not linear – it is a variable
R" You forget one thing, the revolution of the days is counted. The time of the revolution is not figured, nor required in the count. You might be right that early in Genesis, the time for each revolution seemed long in time, but it was still a local "yom", meaning one day.
The "yom" is not a time word per se, but the counting of sunrise and sunset. This is an accurate counting.
So I am not talking about the time of the seconds, but the counting of sunrise and sunsets. Humans count this accurately.
D"Scientific time – radiometric time – proves WEDD and FD-WEDT and scripture
R" Again you mix assumptions into the time decay of atoms. Before the curse of the world, such a decay would not have existed, as all matter was functional. But I also assume this. Therefore none of us can accurately assume anything of the past. Science cannot measure the past because the assumptions have to be made.
So your theory is no better than my theory.
Actually it's worse because you agree with secular science people, many who do not support God in their lives.
Better to leave modern science ideas alone, and stick with daily faith in Jesus.
D"So the assumption is – the amount of C14 today is the same as the past
R" SO you agree science has to make assumptions.
D"The past amount of C14 (assumed same as today)x rate of decay = age (passage of time)
R" Assumptions again
If God cursed His creation, the rate of decay is not linear nor stable, but whatever the decay was in time, so your assumptions are not valid, nor from people who love the Lord God.
D"Radiometric time dating validate that the earth was larger in the past – not older
R" Nice theory, but only a theory
Ps 131:...neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Keep things simple Einstein said, but not simpler.
Shalom
R" In don't mind your Incremental Creation theory of faith, it seems OK, as any theory of the past is OK,
However I just take Genesis as it reads, not try to impose my human wisdom upon it.
D"Quote me your scripture
(1) Principle that renewed not brand new, means the new creation is just a renewal of a past creation.
So on the basis of this principle, kainos rather than neos,
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat.
Lion return to being herbivore, was not created initially carnivore, is obvious from thie scripture.
Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
Again the principle that chadesh means renewal, things are restored to what they were originally.
Re 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea
All the fish become fresh water..salty water goes away
Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Death in all it's forms of pain is restored to a world without death
D"Young earth people who count days and years to reach 5387 overlook that
God caused time to stand still for Joshua
God caused time to run backwards for Hezekiah
Time is not linear – it is a variable
R" You forget one thing, the revolution of the days is counted. The time of the revolution is not figured, nor required in the count. You might be right that early in Genesis, the time for each revolution seemed long in time, but it was still a local "yom", meaning one day.
The "yom" is not a time word per se, but the counting of sunrise and sunset. This is an accurate counting.
So I am not talking about the time of the seconds, but the counting of sunrise and sunsets. Humans count this accurately.
D"Scientific time – radiometric time – proves WEDD and FD-WEDT and scripture
R" Again you mix assumptions into the time decay of atoms. Before the curse of the world, such a decay would not have existed, as all matter was functional. But I also assume this. Therefore none of us can accurately assume anything of the past. Science cannot measure the past because the assumptions have to be made.
So your theory is no better than my theory.
Actually it's worse because you agree with secular science people, many who do not support God in their lives.
Better to leave modern science ideas alone, and stick with daily faith in Jesus.
D"So the assumption is – the amount of C14 today is the same as the past
R" SO you agree science has to make assumptions.
D"The past amount of C14 (assumed same as today)x rate of decay = age (passage of time)
R" Assumptions again
If God cursed His creation, the rate of decay is not linear nor stable, but whatever the decay was in time, so your assumptions are not valid, nor from people who love the Lord God.
D"Radiometric time dating validate that the earth was larger in the past – not older
R" Nice theory, but only a theory
Ps 131:...neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Keep things simple Einstein said, but not simpler.
Shalom