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Post by Dave on Jan 11, 2022 15:34:47 GMT -5
D" My definition of Free Will is specific – therefore narrow R Well than you have a dictatorial GOD who expects you to obey all the time
YES – Absolutely – Correct – Obey all the time – not one sin permitted All men are sinners – there are none righteous – no not one
not reason, Not use your judgement, Not choose prayer promises You cannot reason with God Jonah – you cannot choose NOT to obey God without consequences Eve You can uses your prayer to repent and ask for strength
So when I asked you want specific laws you are required to obey, Dave gave me a broad answer, yet your free will definition is narrow and specific? Come on FLipper FLopper, give me a consistent answer?
If you are walking in Communion with the Lord – a Personal Relationship – you are living the Torah
Gen 26:2 Then Adonai appeared to him and said, “Do not go down to Egypt. Dwell in the land about which I tell you. Gen 26:3 Live as an outsider in this land and I will be with you and bless you—for to you and to your seed I give all these lands—and I will confirm my pledge that I swore to Abraham your father. Gen 26:4 I will multiply your seed like the stars of the sky and I will give your seed all these lands. And in your seed all the nations of the earth will continually be blessed, Gen 26:5 because Abraham listened to My voice and kept My charge, My mitzvot, My decrees, and My instructions.”
Abraham kept God’s Torah, knew God’s Torah – long before Moses every penned a single word If you are walking in Communion with the Lord – a Personal Relationship – you are living the Torah You deny scripture
Free will is first about to reason - than about to choose Correct – the only choice that matters is obey God or not – choose God or World This is the scripture definition of Free Will – given only to man – man is the creature that can choose
I have a broad meaning of free will, not a narrow one. This is true because Jesus made it easier to obey and follow GOD through faith, not the letter of the law. Easy – very easy - Abraham kept God’s Torah, knew God’s Torah – long before Moses every penned a single word If you are walking in Communion with the Lord – a Personal Relationship – you are living the Torah
D"the only Free Will decisions that is unique to man – is the choice to return to God as the Prodigal Son R" but no angels are allowed to return as the Prodigal Angel? Not necessary – not their role in creation – they were created to serve and praise
D" Because they were created to promote entropy / ra – that is their role in creation
R" If you make a creature that does RA, how is this something God loves? God hates RA, and would never create creatures of RA? DOn't you follow scripture Dave? Obviously not Your perfection was only in Eden, outside Eden everything was flawed.
Then why wasn’t your Eden corrupted like the rest of your world Eden still exist – Paradise – Perfect – guarded Robert – has never answered this question – this isn’t the first time I have asked
D"Because they were created to be animals – beast of the field – that is their role in creation R" so animals are dumb and have no free will? Thats why we call them dumb animals Animal do not have the choice to become born again Christians – No Animals never bring sacrifices to the temple – No Do animals love one another as He loved us – No Can animals sell their souls to the devil - No
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. 8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us Even plants have free will to sing praises to God YES – all of creation is one large robot praising God - agreed
Man however is special, for our free will is a response to be judged. YES – man is judged on his Free Will choice to obey God or disobey Man is not judged if he drank coffee or water – became a plumber or a doctor – if he drove a Chevy or Ford
D"Your understanding of scripture is lacking – please spend some time learning about dispensation R" brevity again, do tell BINGO – your Christian education is so lacking it is crazy Serious student?
D"Your view last month was to deny that Christ preached to the people of the Noah’s age – who were in hell/hades - just how clear are your views? R" You miss idioms and sayings of Hebrew , and pretend to know all things based on one scripture alone, My logic is founded upon line upon line, a must better way to get truth. You make things up from single verses, rather than investigate all the verses on a theme OK – tell me your view R - Jesus went to the hell of darkness atoning for sins there.... a prison where those sinned are chained Which is absolutely my view – Jesus was dead in the grave and Christ preached to those in prison You argued against this spiritual view – the soul of Christ died on the cross OK – tell me your view
D"There was nothing before creation R" nothing ? Are you saying GOD can only create once? Are there no other worlds and other universes God created creatures on with free will to love HIM? How narrow and selfish your view of God is? DUH – when God created – there were a total of 10 dimensions brought into existence 123= here 3D 4,5,6,7 are the higher heaves – God’s throne is in the 7th heaven according to Judaism
D"Two localities – Adam and Eve in Eden / Paradise – and the WORLD of tov and ra raging outside R" I see. NO Dave, not my view. Eden was perfect, outside Eden was perfect. Everything was perfect. Why did only one become corrupted – Eden remained
The darkness on earth caused by sinning angels, sent there, long before man and creation arrived. But you say - Eden was perfect, outside Eden was perfect. Everything was perfect.
And god looked at it and called it TOV Gen 1:31
D"Then how do God’s fruit trees – be fruitful and multiple and fill all the earth? R" I don't know We have things in a perfect world, we cannot understand. OH – you give up on reason, common sense, or empirical evidence – to make your doctrine palatable Why do you deny Rome 1:19 + Psa 19:2?
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Post by Dave on Jan 11, 2022 22:52:20 GMT -5
D"the only Free Will decisions that is unique to man – is the choice to return to God as the Prodigal Son R" but no angels are allowed to return as the Prodigal Angel? Not necessary – not their role in creation – they were created to serve and praise D" Because they (archon) were created to promote entropy / ra – that is their role in creation ------------
Let me say this another way
1- Angels do not have the Free Will choice to choose God or World Not necessary – Why – they are in the presence of God – not in / of the world This is their created role within creation – to praise and serve – in heaven And because they are in the presence of God – they are (yester tov) – no ra in heaven – ra is a thing of physical creation
2- Archon – the Beast of Revelation was cast “into” creation
Rev 12:9 καὶ ἐβλήθη ὁ δράκων ὁ μέγας, ὁ ὄφις ὁ ἀρχαῖος, ὁ καλούμενος Διάβολος καὶ ὁ Σατανᾶς, ὁ πλανῶν τὴν οἰκουμένην ὅλην, ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν γῆν, καὶ οἱ ἄγγελοι αὐτοῦ μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἐβλήθησαν.
G1519 - εἰς - A primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose - PURPOSE
Rev 12:9 (KJV) … was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Earth (of gen 1:1) is all physical creation – matter in general – and matter comes with Entropy Distance away from the source – physical / biology – self = self-preservation Me – self – is all a cow thinks about Me – self – is all a cockroach thinks about Me – self – is all a baboon thinks about Me – self – was the only thought of the First Archon – the Beast of revelation
Archon – the Beast of Revelation (all of them) was cast “into” creation They are not in heaven – they are not in the presence of the Lord – they are in/into physical creation All they see and know = WORLD – it is who they are – cows, cockroaches, baboons, beast of the field – serpent race They are – Me – self = (yester ra) It is who they are – and they have a role within creation – because they are inherent to creation
Gen 1:1 God created Gen 1:2 choshek
Rev 12 the Holy Spirit – the womb of creation is in the birth pains of creation AND – the Beast appeared
Adam and Eve were in paradise AND – the Beast appeared
Adam fathered Cain and Able AND – the Beast appeared
3- Man is unique 1- We began – in heaven – in the full presence of the Lord = (yester tov) 2- We come into this world for a souljourn – in a body of matter = (yester ra)
Man is the creature that can choose
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 15:02:26 GMT -5
D" Abraham kept God’s Torah, knew God’s Torah – long before Moses every penned a single word If you are walking in Communion with the Lord – a Personal Relationship – you are living the Torah R" I would suggest to you that the torah was oral and written in hearts, obeyed by faith, long before the torah was written down. So when Jesus came to Adam during Sabbath for many visits before He sinned, they talked about nothing? Jesus would have spoken about the Adverary the one who opposes Him. The torah or words of Jesus were spoken to Adam and spoken to His sons long before they were written down. We only write them down today because our brains forget.
D"This is the scripture definition of Free Will – given only to man – man is the creature that can choose
Scripture does not define free will easily, nor is there a Hebrew word for this. We have to be careful adding stuff to Scripture that is not really as we think. Sure we reason with God and we think of GOD. D"Abraham kept God’s Torah, knew God’s Torah – long before Moses every penned a single word If you are walking in Communion with the Lord – a Personal Relationship – you are living the Torah R" I would suggest Abram knew the oral torah. Noah knew about clean and unclean animals. They have perfect memories. RP" but no angels are allowed to return as the Prodigal Angel? D Not necessary – not their role in creation – they were created to serve and praise R" SO the angels cannot demonstrate LOVE to humans. They therefore cannot MINISTER to humans, because the angels cannot love freely/
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
You violate this scripture with your theory .... In order to minister to me about God who is love, the ministering one must also love and be loved. Sorry Dave, you deny Scripture.
D"Then why wasn’t your Eden corrupted like the rest of your world Eden still exist – Paradise – Perfect – guarded Robert – has never answered this question – this isn’t the first time I have asked R" who says the rest of the world was corrupted? Sinning angels by the way live on earth, but not with humans as such, so their dimension as you call it, is different to ours, but they are on earth somehow. The darkness of earth from their sinning is something God created so sin could be observed. All the creation was perfect, including Eden. Why was Eden guarded? The tree of life, has fruit that causes ongoing living. Adam ate the wrong fruit and now is corrupted. There were two trees in the garden representing two mountains of power. One mountain of power belonged to the Opposer, who only could speak from that one place. D"Thats why we call them dumb animals R" Alex the grey African parrot was not dumb. You mock that animals cannot choose to be saved by God. Ok agree. But this does not negate free will. Only that animals are not saved by God. D"YES – all of creation is one large robot praising God - agreed R" no, plants and animals praise GOD because under free will to love, they love to praise.
D"your Christian education is so lacking it is crazy Serious student? R" OK I challenge you 1) What is the sin-offering NOT unto death? 1Jo 5:16
D" OK – tell me your view -Jesus was dead in the grave and Christ preached to those in prison R" Are you sure?
1Pe 3:15 ...be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh ... 17 For it is better, ..ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
R" The passage is speaking about being a witness while alive. Jesus witnessed and was suffered for our sin, died in the flesh and was made alive by the HS. The 19 verse has "by which also he" did this happen after Jesus died or during the living Jesus as a witness?
The "spirits in prison" refer to those bound in chains of darkness and sin, also us alive. The same way Jesus got Noah to witness before the humans in prison were to be literally locked in death under a great flood of water. I do not see your view Dave, of a spiriit coming out of Jesus when He died to preach to other spirits who have died, in hell somwhere. You are twisting matters, you do not seek line upon line from elsewhere in Scripture.
D"DUH – when God created – there were a total of 10 dimensions brought into existence R" Only in this ONE creation Dave?
I have GOD creating other universes and other worlds just because God can. A different view to you.
D"Why did only one become corrupted – Eden remained R" Oh I see. Eden was spared we assume from RA curse of Adam's sin. God took Eden back to heaven, and plans to bring it back after Sin on a new earth. I assume why Dead Sea is below sea level, was where EDEN was??
God can do anything He wants, He spared Eden from RA, yes, despite the SIN of Adam.
D"But you say - Eden was perfect, outside Eden was perfect. Everything was perfect R" Yes it was perfect, but also allowed sinning angels to live on earth. So darkness was a reality of the sinning of these angels on earth.
D"OH – you give up on reason, common sense, or empirical evidence – to make your doctrine palatable R" One would be foolish to claim to know all things?
I will comment on your second post later
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 12, 2022 17:03:33 GMT -5
D" Abraham kept God’s Torah, knew God’s Torah – long before Moses every penned a single word If you are walking in Communion with the Lord – a Personal Relationship – you are living the Torah R" I would suggest to you that the torah was oral and written in hearts, obeyed by faith, long before the torah was written down. I agree with you Robert = Personal Relationship – the goal of Judaism The goal is not to be just one of the crowd in the back row of the congregation – belief The goal is a Personal Relationship - Jesus promised the Comforter to everyone – spirit to spirit communion = a Personal RelationshipD"This is the scripture definition of Free Will – given only to man – man is the creature that can choose Scripture does not define free will easily, Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” Obey or die – sounds very clear – perfectly clear Man is the creature that can choose – obey God or not – yes/noD"Abraham kept God’s Torah, knew God’s Torah – long before Moses every penned a single word R" I would suggest to you that the torah was oral and written in hearts, obeyed by faith, long before the torah was written down. R" I would suggest Abram knew the oral torah. R: Looks like I would consider myself a Karaite Jew Karaite Jews believe only in the authority of the Tanakh, rejecting … additions to the Hebrew Bible such as the Rabbinic Oral Law Which view is yours – both or neither?RP" but no angels are allowed to return as the Prodigal Angel? D Not necessary – not their role in creation – they were created to serve and praise R" SO the angels cannot demonstrate LOVE to humans. They therefore cannot MINISTER to humans, because the angels cannot love freely/ DUH – what does your childish statement have to do with angels returning to God How can angels return to where they already are?D"Then why wasn’t your Eden corrupted like the rest of your world Eden still exist – Paradise – Perfect – guarded Robert – has never answered this question – this isn’t the first time I have asked R" who says the rest of the world was corrupted? Sinning angels by the way live on earth, but not with humans as such, so their dimension as you call it, is different to ours, but they are on earth somehow. The darkness of earth from their sinning is something God created so sin could be observed. YES – and you say – all this sinning by these archon did not corrupt the worldThe darkness of earth from their sinning is something God created so sin could be observed.Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Gen 1:31 So God saw everything that He made, and behold it was very good. TOVD"your Christian education is so lacking it is crazy Serious student? R" OK I challenge youYou violate dispensation – because your do not understand it - you pick a verse from the end and apply it to the middle – then take a verse from the middle and apply it to the beginningYou pluck things out and force them together – without regard for context, synyax, grammar, or age It is very hard to believe you are serious D" OK – tell me your view -Jesus was dead in the grave and Christ preached to those in prison R" Are you sure? I do not see your view Dave, of a spiriit coming out of Jesus when He died to preach to other spirits who have died, in hell somwhere. You are twisting matters, you do not seek line upon line from elsewhere in Scripture. Sorry – I am just letting scripture speakAnd all the commentaries agree with scripture and me You are trying to force the scripture to fit your doctrine – you are the odd one out – you are disagreement with the whole D"DUH – when God created – there were a total of 10 dimensions brought into existence R" Only in this ONE creation Dave? You are so desperate you say anything – stop and think before you post You are denying shoel / the grave / heaven / hades – only here in physical world D"OH – you give up on reason, common sense, or empirical evidence – to make your doctrine palatable R" One would be foolish to claim to know all things?It is even more foolish to look at empirical evidence and deny itRom 1:19 + Psa 19:2
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 14:14:40 GMT -5
D"1- Angels do not have the Free Will choice to choose God or World Not necessary – Why – they are in the presence of God – not in / of the world This is their created role within creation – to praise and serve – in heaven And because they are in the presence of God – they are (yester tov) – no ra in heaven – ra is a thing of physical creation R How come one verse in Ezekiel says a cherub angel sinned than it the angels do not have free will? How can an angel as a messenger minister love to humans, if they cannot freely love themselves?
Your whole logic is silly Dave?
D"G1519 - εἰς - A primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose - PURPOSE
Rev 12:9 (KJV) … was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. R" You make a big deal over a Greek word?
Re 5:1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Is this not suggesting John wrote Rev originally in Hebrew?
D"Rev 12 the Holy Spirit – the womb of creation is in the birth pains of creation AND – the Beast appeared R" It says this?
It is referring to a male child (Jesus) to be born, while the Devil and his angels come to prevent this birth from happening on earth. The woman is also a simile of the church, and flees to the desert to escape persecution.
The beast does not appear out of the womb here, the beast is already there to abort the male child inside the womb. You have the logic all wrong.
D"3- Man is unique 1- We began – in heaven R" Your texts for this idea? Genesis says we began on earth...
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D"Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” Obey or die – sounds very clear – perfectly clear Man is the creature that can choose – obey God or not – yes/no R" yes I agree, but how is this model of free will for other creatures?
Jesus called the devil a liar and a murder, this implies the devil disobeys God or not- yes/no?
Rp" R" SO the angels cannot demonstrate LOVE to humans. They therefore cannot MINISTER to humans, because the angels cannot love freely/ D" DUH – what does your childish statement have to do with angels returning to God How can angels return to where they already are? R" can't you follow my logic? If angels are robot machines praising and serving, they therefore cannot love, or show love. Therefore they cannot understand love as a process. Therefore they cannot minister the character of God to humans, since God is love, but the angels are not love.
So Hebrew verses speaking of messenger angels is wrong according to you? Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits,
D"YES – and you say – all this sinning by these archon did not corrupt the world R" Correct, not allowed to, because Adam was prince of the brand new creation upon the earth, and the darkness already on earth came from other sinning agents. The only way God allowed these sinning angels access to our world dimension was in the tree in the Garden. No where else was the Opposer allowed access to our dimension on earth.
D" Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Gen 1:31 So God saw everything that He made, and behold it was very good. TOV R" Not line upon line, 3 verses only Dave, where are all the verses on RA. God hates RA and would never live in RA nor create RA unless some sinning took place. Do you agree?
D" You violate dispensation – because your do not understand it - you pick a verse from the end and apply it to the middle – then take a verse from the middle and apply it to the beginning R Have you not read any of my word studies, I follow the logic for every verse, all verses must agree with the word meaning I select. Not just a few, but every verse.
D" You pluck things out and force them together – without regard for context, synyax, grammar, or age It is very hard to believe you are serious R" It is not necessary to read grammar and syntax for evaluate a word in a sentence Dave, sure sometimes it is important, but the large number of sentences makes it easier to see the overall basic word meaning of the word at hand. When I listened to Pidgin English spoken in PNG I was trying to understand them. I did not need to evaluate the syntax of every word, only listen for words I heard, and place the meanings together.
Mi no harim tok bilong yu
The word "no" negates
"harim" not hear
So the sentence is saying I do not hear what you are saying. I evaluate the sentence based on the hearing of just two word "no harim".
Mi no save Saying the exact same thing, I do not understand. Meaning of one word "save".
Dispela man bai i bekim pe long olgeta samting
This is harder for me. "dispela" means "something" "bai" is a word one could easily miss in a spoken word, yet is crucial, means "buy or pay"
Often when I heard pigin speaking, I would fill in the gaps between words I did not hear, or fathom.
It does not mean I cannot fathom, only that I am missing much.
Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
So what do we do if we are not learned?
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
We do not go to scholars who push their own agendas...precepts of men
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. 19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD,
Here is a promise we the unlearned will learn because God teaches us.
Isa 29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
We shall come to understand, if ye listen to God...
Isa 30:9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Instead many of us are rebellious
Isa 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
How does the meek become learned? He hears the teaching of the HS in his ears. And how do we know we have the right spirit?
Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
The HS does not sin, nor do the children of God sin. We must be humble, meek and mournful of our lost covering.
What lost covering? The solid coloured clothes of the HS radiation over us/
Ps 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: 3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
The HS covering over the creatures of GOD, making them clothed with light, and fire, and carries them in the wings of the wind.
D"Sorry – I am just letting scripture speak And all the commentaries agree with scripture and me You are trying to force the scripture to fit your doctrine – you are the odd one out – you are disagreement with the whole R" Narrow is the way to heaven, few find it. Seek ye all the scriptures on a theme. Not pick and choose and ignore others. D"You are so desperate you say anything – stop and think before you post You are denying shoel / the grave / heaven / hades – only here in physical world
R" I deny nothing, sure hell in here on earth, why? Because sinning angels are there in darkness, sinning awaiting judgement and death. But the fact is other universes God created before ours, without sin or hell or RA in it.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2022 3:48:35 GMT -5
R How come one verse in Ezekiel says a cherub angel sinned than it the angels do not have free will? Ezkiel is not in your Hebrew Torah How can an angel as a messenger minister love to humans, if they cannot freely love themselves? What an intelligent question – how can a cow be a cow is it doesn’t love itself?
Re 5:1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Is this not suggesting John wrote Rev originally in Hebrew? NO – but it does indicate that John was 100% a Jew writing about a 100% Jewish religion
D"Rev 12 the Holy Spirit – the womb of creation is in the birth pains of creation AND – the Beast appeared R" It says this?
It is referring to a male child (Jesus) to be born, while the Devil and his angels come to prevent this birth from happening on earth. The woman is also a simile of the church, and flees to the desert to escape persecution. YES – true statement – the archon are world – and want to keep you focused upon world
The beast does not appear out of the womb here, the beast is already there to abort the male child inside the womb. You have the logic all wrong.
There is no second creator – there is no second creation – is it exist God created it – end of story There was nothing made that was not made through Him – it was created by Him for Him Your denial of scripture is very consistant
D"3- Man is unique 1- We began – in heaven R" Your texts for this idea? Genesis says we began on earth... YES – all you can see is biology and world
You deny that the First Fruits are a part of God’s host of heaven You deny that man is in the army of God – witnessing to the world
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Psa 103:21 Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
Psa 148:2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
Why do you deny that man is to serve and praise God?
The host of heaven were all created on Day 1 – no new creation after Day 6
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D"Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” Obey or die – sounds very clear – perfectly clear Man is the creature that can choose – obey God or not – yes/no R" yes I agree, but how is this model of free will for other creatures? It is not – only man is the creature that can choose
Jesus called the devil a liar and a murder, this implies the devil disobeys God or not- yes/no? YES Robert – the WORLD is full of lies and murder
Rp" R" SO the angels cannot demonstrate LOVE to humans. D" DUH – what does your childish statement have to do with angels returning to God How can angels return to where they already are? R" can't you follow my logic? If angels are robot machines praising and serving, they therefore cannot love, or show love. D" DUH – what does your childish statement have to do with angels returning to God
Gen 1:31 So God saw everything that He made, and behold it was very good. TOV R" Not line upon line So – you disagree with God and scripture – did God misspeak – lie – tell a falsehood?
D" You violate dispensation – because your do not understand it - you pick a verse from the end and apply it to the middle – then take a verse from the middle and apply it to the beginning R Have you not read any of my word studies, I follow the logic for every verse, all verses must agree with the word meaning I select. Not just a few, but every verse. OK – word for word – but you pull theme upon theme
D" You pluck things out and force them together – without regard for context, synyax, grammar, or age It is very hard to believe you are serious R" It is not necessary to read grammar and syntax for evaluate a word in a sentence On the scale of 1 to 10 – your statement is 100% stupid error
Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
So what do we do if we are not learned?
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
We do not go to scholars who push their own agendas...precepts of men But you push Ellen White and Her agenda Do you mean what you say – or do you just talk
Here is a promise we the unlearned will learn because God teaches us. You deny the spirit – you deny communion with the spirit – you prefer the teachings of Ellen White
D"You are so desperate you say anything – stop and think before you post You are denying shoel / the grave / heaven / hades – only here in physical world R" I deny nothing, sure hell in here on earth, why? Because sinning angels are there in darkness, sinning awaiting judgement and death. So for the SDA hell on earth is the same as heaven on earth – if we are already in heaven what do we need to be saved from?
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2022 6:32:43 GMT -5
D" You violate dispensation – because your do not understand it - you pick a verse from the end and apply it to the middle – then take a verse from the middle and apply it to the beginningR Have you not read any of my word studies, I follow the logic for every verse, all verses must agree with the word meaning I select. Not just a few, but every verse. D" You pluck things out and force them together – without regard for context, synyax, grammar, or age It is very hard to believe you are seriousR" It is not necessary to read grammar and syntax for evaluate a word in a sentence Dave, sure sometimes it is important, but the large number of sentences makes it easier to see the overall basic word meaning of the word at hand. On the scale of 1 to 10 – your statement is 100% stupid error Context-independent words - vrs- Context dependent wordsThis is true of any language that used simile, metaphor, or poetrylink.springer.com/article/10.3758/BF03197629Context-independent and context-dependent information in conceptsIt is proposed that concepts contain two types of properties. Context-independent properties are activated by the word for a concept on all occasions. The activation of these properties is unaffected by contextual relevance. Context-dependent properties are not activated by the respective word independent of context. Rather, these properties are activated only by relevant contexts in which the word appears. Context-independent properties form the core meanings of words, whereas context-dependent properties are a source of semantic encoding variability. This proposal lies between two opposing theories of meaning, one that argues all properties of a concept are active on all occasions and another that argues the active properties are completely determined by context. The existence of context-independent and context-dependent properties is demonstrated in two experimental settings: the property-verification task and judgments of similarity. The relevance of these property types to cross-classification, problem solving, metaphor and sentence comprehension, and the semantic-episodic distinction is discussed. Context-independent words - vrs- Context dependent wordsThis is true of any language that used simile, metaphor, or poetryIf you are teaching math a=a In a simile, or metaphor a=b or a=c In poetry – a = anything you paint it to be You should study this poem as a Christian – play your word game What does Raven mean? – Who is the Raven? Only the context explains the answerWithin poetry words are Context dependent – only the context gives the meaning(google) What percentage of the Bible is poetry?Many people are surprised to learn that as much as a third of the Old Testament is written in poetry. In addition to the poetic books, Psalms, Proverbs, and Job, isolated poems are preserved throughout the Pentateuch and the historical books, such as Jacob's patriarchal blessings to his twelve sons Context-independent words - vrs- Context dependent wordsThis is true of any language that used simile, metaphor, or poetryIf you bothered to learn to translate – and struggle with a translation you would understand 1- Instead – you have invented your own short cut that just fails you - G2525, καθίστημι, kathistēmi 2- And you use your short cut to make scripture mean what you wish – Eph 6:12 archon only means the beginning 3- The you play the telephone game – anyone opposing man opposes god and is satan – except when god opposes man - it is a sin to oppose man – except when god opposes man – it is a sin to oppose man – except when god asks you to (Job) – you admit that god forced his chosen people to sin my killing all those Amorite – but you refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey god or why your god make Israel sin Why to Avoid Using Interlinear Bibles – Or why you need to learn to translateAnswer - you will be missing many interesting features of syntax, style, wordplay, and poetics, etc. You may even miss a central aspect of a text. Answer – you will only see the surface and overlook the depth of meaningContext-independent words - vrs- Context dependent wordsThis is true of any language that used simile, metaphor, or poetryIf you bothered to learn to translate – and struggle with a translation you would understand (google) How do syntax and grammar relate in linguistics?Syntax implies the set of rules that define the way in which words and phrases are organized, to make coherent sentences. On the other hand, Grammar refers to the study of word classes, their conjugation, functions and relation in a particular sentence. ... It will tell you how language works and how words are used. (google) Why is grammar and syntax important?The use of correct grammar is important because it is the main feature within both our spoken and written communication that allows us to have our messages clearly understood. why you need to learn to translateyou will be missing many interesting features of syntax, style, wordplay, and poetics, etc. You may even miss a central aspect of a text. you will only see the surface and overlook the depth of meaning You fail to see – the messages clearly understoodAnd your argument here = it is only biological world – its heaven and it hell – angels and Christ are just biology – no spirit – no spiritual layer to reality
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 16:18:26 GMT -5
D" What an intelligent question – how can a cow be a cow is it doesn’t love itself?R" If a cow can demonstrate love Dave, it has by definition free will. You just made a goof. D" NO – but it does indicate that John was 100% a Jew writing about a 100% Jewish religionR" My understanding is Jews wrote with the right hand, writing right to left, top to bottom. Greek is written in the left hand, writing top to bottom, but left to right. D" On the scale of 1 to 10 – your statement is 100% stupid errorR" really? Beowulf Translated by Charles W. Kennedy beowulf poem translated by burton raffel Beowulf is an old English poem, both are translated differently by English scholars. Go figure. www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50114/beowulf-modern-english-translationTRANSLATED BY FRANCES B. GUMMERE DIfferent again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_translations_of_BeowulfHow weird, hundreds of translations for old English words. D" You should study this poem as a Christian – play your word game What does Raven mean? – Who is the Raven?R" Nice poem. The poem has a man sleeping his last, sees a Raven, in the expression of a seraphim in old English days, the grim reaper who comes to take away your soul. Poetry is difficult to fathom, hence half of Scripture is poetry too. D"- Instead – you have invented your own short cut that just fails you - G2525, καθίστημι, kathistēmiR" That only failed me because the software I use is poorly designed. Not my fault. I would long for software that gives me access to the Hebrew words and their suffux and prefix. As well as the parent root word stems. Sadly no such software exists. Esword is a poor choice in this direction. D"- The you play the telephone game – anyone opposing man opposes god and is satan – except when god opposes man - it is a sin to oppose man – except when god opposes man – it is a sin to oppose man – except when god asks you to (Job) – you admit that god forced his chosen people to sin my killing all those Amorite – but you refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey god or why your god make Israel sinR" WHat a pile of emotions in one confusion? Sure the word means to oppose. man can oppose man. god can oppose a donkey on the road it is not always a sin to oppose, in a game of tennis both oppose each other In Job we have a HEY-OPPOSER, a personal opposer coming to a meeting with other Sons of God. It is clear from the way this opposer negates God's declaration of Job, that the opposer opposes man. You say this function is a God appointed prosecuting attorney. If that were true, than the judge (god) and the prosecuting attorney should not argue, but we have God saying Job is complete and the attorney saying Job is not complete. We have a problem here. What I see is the being here is opposing God, as the word says it should. The opposer is opposing God's declaration that Job is complete. The opposer is saying Job is not complete. This is how the word meaning should be. In the numbers case, the opposer opposed the donkey on the road, so Baalim faced an opposer. The opposer wanted Baalim to do something Baalim would not normally do. Baalim opposed the Opposer, who in this case is a messenger angel from GOD. Why is God also an opposer here? Because God hates sin in sinners, and thus is opposing Baalim the false prophet, is asking him to do something he would not normally do. I see nothing wrong with the way the word oppose and opposer is used. Sure God opposed Baalim because God opposes sin in such beings. Dave has this strange idea that GOD would intentionally appoint and approve of a being to oppose humans coming to God via Salvation, His Son. Why would GOD do this? To try and test them, Dave says. I do not buy into this idea. God may oppose sin in sinners, yes, but God loves the sinner. God wants all beings who sin to return back to Him and not sin. But some opposers do not wish to return and repent, hence remain opposing God all the time. Baalim is an example of this. So is this opposer in the story of Job. The hey-opposer opposes Job, also opposing the salvation right of Job to come to God, thus the opposer is opposing God too. Dave thinks God requires an attorney to publish sins before God. Is this necessary? Can a being who is a creature see the hidden sins in the heart? No. Only God can. Hence God needs no creature to publish sins. God can read all your sins before you even commit to doing them. God has angels recording your sins of doing in books, all the time, so a prosecutor is unneccessary. D" They never actually learn to understand Biblical Hebrew on its own terms – instead, they only understand Biblical Hebrew as it is translated into English.R" Yes they are taught the precepts of men how to read modern Hebrew, when we are reading ancient Hebrew, a dead language, where we assume we can read the words in modern Hebrew. D" You also will probably never progress to the point where you can read the Hebrew BibleR" The purpose of interlinear is NOT to read Hebrew, but to make sure the word meaning they choose is consistent and valid for all the words of Hebrew they choose this meaning for. Words in any language have single basic meanings, unless it has polysemy. D" Answer - you will be missing many interesting features of syntax, style, wordplay, and poetics, etc. You may even miss a central aspect of a text.R" Not necessary. One uses the interlinear to make sure the word meaning is consistent. Generally it is NOT. D" If you bothered to learn to translate –R" I would doubt there would be nobody, not even Jeff Benner, who is free to read Ancient Hebrew according to ancient Hebrew rules, Jeff reads the ancient Hebrew with Modern Hebrew rules. I doubt I would survive a translation school. I never agreed to Dr Livingstone, who coudl read the entire NT in Greek from emory, my SDA teacher in languages. We never agreed to reading word meanings. He told me to buy James Barr, I cannot stand James Barr book. I pity the schools of learning. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 15, 2022 17:37:57 GMT -5
D"NO – but it does indicate that John was 100% a Jew writing about a 100% Jewish religion R" My understanding is Jews wrote with the right hand, writing right to left, top to bottom. Greek is written in the left hand, writing top to bottom, but left to right. Robert – your response is error and has nothing to do with this topicYou example is backward from reality – everything is opposite for you You oppose every mainstream Jewish or Christian belief - you oppose science fact - talk long enough and you even end up opposing yourselfe - is it healthy to be cantankerious? D"On the scale of 1 to 10 – your statement is 100% stupid error R" really? D"You should study this poem as a Christian – play your word game What does Raven mean? – Who is the Raven? R" Nice poem. The poem has a man sleeping his last, sees a Raven, in the expression of a seraphim in old English days, the grim reaper who comes to take away your soul. Your Robert method does not agree – a Raven is a large Crow – a big black birdPoetry is difficult to fathom, hence half of Scripture is poetry too.Actually a 3rd – but that is OK – Your Robert fails with poetry D"- you have invented your own short cut that just fails you - G2525, καθίστημι, kathistēmi R" That only failed me because the software I use is poorly designed. Not my fault. T he expression is – It is a lousy carpenter that blames his toolsI would long for software that gives me access to the Hebrew words and their suffux and prefix. As well as the parent root word stems. Sadly no such software exists. Esword is a poor choice in this direction. I have directed you to the best available – you don’t seem to be really as interested as you claim to beDave thinks God requires an attorney to publish sins before God. Is this necessary? Can a being who is a creature see the hidden sins in the heart? No. Only God can. Hence God needs no creature to publish sins. God can read all your sins before you even commit to doing them. God has angels recording your sins of doing in books, all the time, so a prosecutor is unneccessary. Gosh – by your own argument – why does God need angels to record stuff – does your god have a poor memory?" Yes they are taught the precepts of men how to read modern Hebrew, when we are reading ancient Hebrew, a dead language, where we assume we can read the words in modern Hebrew. More false witness from Robert(google) Hebrew is the only Canaanite language still spoken today, Not dead – still alive – just like ChristR" The purpose of interlinear is NOT to read Hebrew, but to make sure the word meaning they choose is consistent and valid for all the words of Hebrew they choose this meaning for. Words in any language have single basic meanings, unless it has polysemy. Unless it is written with poetic liscenseD"Answer - you will be missing many interesting features of syntax, style, wordplay, and poetics, etc. You may even miss a central aspect of a text. R" Not necessary. One uses the interlinear to make sure the word meaning is consistent. Generally it is NOT. Word for word - You may even miss a central aspect of a text.You stumple over words – and deny the meaning – miss the point
D"If you bothered to learn to translate – R" I would doubt there would be nobody, not even Jeff Benner, who is free to read Ancient Hebrew according to ancient Hebrew rules, Jeff reads the ancient Hebrew with Modern Hebrew rules. Just where do you think modern grammar came from? Is it a new invention? Or is it a legacy to the past You need to stop criticizing the whole world – and learn to translateI doubt I would survive a translation school. Because you do not want to learn – you only want to oppose – I know who you aremy SDA teacher in languages. He told me to buy James Barr, I cannot stand James Barr book. I pity the schools of learning.I believe you – that you cannot understand Barr – it is written at a post-grad level to an audience that knows what he is talking about Your reading comprehension is less than 9th grade American High School And you need about 4 years of language study to catch up to Barr’s audience YET – you feel bold enough and arrogant enough to criticize what you cannot readRe 5:1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Is this not suggesting John wrote Rev originally in Hebrew? NO – but it does indicate that John was 100% a Jew writing about a 100% Jewish religion The First theology = the Beast that deceives the whole worldAdam to Abram was a long complicated chain of events – Gnostic Contest Then YHWY introduces Himself to Abraham – the First YHWY based theology Abraham to Jesus Christ was a long complicated chain of events – Gnostic Contest Jesus Christ came to deliver the Gospel – Good News – through belief in Christ redemption and salvation is open to all The First YHWY based theology + its Messiah = Messianic Judaism – AKA Christianity This was the theology – the understanding – the mind set – the perspective – the common knowledge of Jesus Christ, the disciples, true Messianic Judaism – the FIRST CHRISTIANSThe authors of the agl/NT itselfRome wants you to believe that the Received Text is all there is – only the Roman approved version1- The authors of the agl/NT itself also wrote other non-Roman canon text and personal letters 2- Some of this literature (called gnostic) is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls 3- Some of this literature (called gnostic) is found in the Nag Hammadi Library Rome wants you to believe that the Received Text is all there is – only the Roman approved version4- Rome’s KJV – omits 14 entire Book’s from the Biblia Hebraica (Latin phrase meaning Hebrew Bible, traditionally used as a title for printed editions of the Tanakh.) 5- Rome’s KJV – omits 14 entire Book’s from the – Masoretic Hebrew Text 6- Rome’s KJV – omits 14 entire Book’s from the - Westminster Leningrad Codex (Masoretic Hebrew Bible) + additions / corrections by the Alepo Codex + additions / correction from the Greek Rome wants you to believe that the Received Text is all there is – only the Roman approved versionThe theology – the understanding – the mind set – the perspective – the common knowledge of Jesus Christ, the disciples, their audience Jew and Samarian- true Messianic Judaism – the FIRST CHRISTIANS The authors of the agl/NT itself – More importantly the common understanding of the audience of the agl/NT Jesus Christ Himself referred to the writings of King Solomon – Beelzebub – and his shedimThe audience of Jesus Christ – Rabbi – or common man – all understoodJesus Christ Himself referred to the writings of - EnochThe audience of Jesus Christ – Rabbi – or common man – all understoodJude – the brother of Jesus Christ – quotes Enoch and refers to the prophesy of EnochThe audience of Jesus Christ – Rabbi – or common man – all understoodEnoch is quoted in the agl/NT 64 times - second to Isaiah's 68Oh Ahh – the Dead Sea Scrolls validate scriptureAlso complete with Enoch and several text now called Gnostic 1945 - WWII Ends and the world changed 1945 – the Nag Hammadi Library is found - deliberately hidden for the end times 1947 – Dead Sea Scrolls are found – complete with Gnostic text – hidden to survive the Roman Edit 1948 - Israel returns to the Promised Land Rome does not want you to be Messianic Jew (Gnostic Christian) Rome wants you to believe that the Received Text is all there is – only the Roman approved version Rome teaches a satan centric / Roman centric religion that persecuted Judaism / Messianic Jews / the First Christians – and did everything they could to stamp out any –non-Rome centric text Robert – you deny the truth of Judaism – the base theology – the very foundation of Christianityponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/408/judaism-christianity-satan-rabbi-singerJewish satan as an obedient servant of God -vrs- a Christian Free Will villain Unlike Don Patton, Walter Veith, or Robert it is so refreshing to liste to a scholar that does not misrepresent the facts – even if it isn’t his view1:15 – the idea of satan is source of confusion for Christians 1:27 – both Jews and Christians use the same term vocabulary 1:35 – the terms / vocabulary seem very similar but are not identical 1:46 – the similarities are striking – very striking 1:50 - but the difference are astounding 3:45 – 5:48 Rabbi Singer present the Christin teaching about satan (Robert’s teaching) Rabbi singer nails it to the letter – no misrepresentation – just the facts 5:52 – this idea is totally pagan – the source is NOT Hebrew 6:58 – ahl/OT satan – not many references – but very real 8:50 – Rabbi Singer – presents the ancient Gnostic view – he is honest – his reference to 365 gnostic gods is 100% Aprochraph of John 10:50 – Hebrew was never an enemy of God in the Hebrew Bible 11:50 – satan / evil was created by God so that man can experience Free Will 12:40 – God created evil – scripture Duet 14 and 15 10:50-13:10 – God created Evil (RA), and why God created the Contest so man can exercise Free Will 15:30 – Book of Job 16:30 – Satan obeys God 21:45 – you have never sin without making a – CHOICE 23:00 – Thank God for satan 26:25 – the archon help us forget the consequence of Sin 27:00 – 1 Chronicles 21:1 -vrs- I Samuael 24:1 28:00 - Isaiah 14 = Babylon 33:20 – Exk 28 = Tyre / USA? Jewish theology is 100% Nag Hammadi Gnostic1- God made everything including the ra – and the Beast of Revelation 2- The Beast of Revelation is 100% real and alive – Eph 6 – our real struggle 3- it has nothing to do with Hebrew satan – an angel in service to the Lord 4- God can use the ra – anyway and any how He wants to facilitate His Will Actually - the authors of thea gl/NT and the Nag Hammadi - James,John, Paul, Peter, P{hillip, and Thomas were all 100% Jewish and had a 100% Jewish theology with the addition of Jesus Christ as the Messiah
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 14:21:45 GMT -5
D "Your Robert method does not agree – a Raven is a large Crow – a big black birdR" you goofed again 14 Difference Between Crows And Ravens (With Pictures) vivadifferences.com/difference-between-crows-and-ravens/#:~:text=14%20Difference%20Between%20Crows%20And%20Ravens%20%28With%20Pictures%29,Between%20Crows%20And%20Ravens%20In%20Tabular%20Form.%20 Crows. Crows have a glossy, all-black plumage with a relatively long, dark bill and dark legs. ... Ravens. The Raven is a very large black bird with a thick neck, shaggy throat feathers, and a long, thick beak. A crow is nothing like a raven. D" Actually a 3rd – but that is OK – Your Robert fails with poetryR" you goofed again, I quote Jeff benner, you quote Dave. My estimate is backed uo by a scholar while your estimate is not qualified. "RP" That only failed me because the software I use is poorly designed. Not my fault.D" The expression is – It is a lousy carpenter that blames his toolsR" A fact is a fact, the software by "Power BibleCD is Copyright 2003 by Online Publishing, Inc. 127 N. Matteson Street PO Box 21, Bronson, MI 49028 bible@mail.com Tech support: 1-517-369-6035" has significant flaws, but I like it because it is simple to use. I also own a cheap circular saw made in China, the blade wobbles as it spins, My Makitta saw not long works from 25 yrs old, burnt out. Worked perfectly. So good tools does help do a good job. Have you never been a carpenter? D" I have directed you to the best available – you don’t seem to be really as interested as you claim to beR" you have? Esword does not collect words with verses in them. No software lists prefix and suffix that I know of? D" Gosh – by your own argument – why does God need angels to record stuff – does your god have a poor memory?R" , God know all things yes. But angels don't. And since many angels sinned and many did not, God allows them to record what they see as sins. It help their own free will of choice. D" (google) Hebrew is the only Canaanite language still spoken today, Not dead – still alive – just like ChristR" you goofed again www.ancientpages.com/2016/08/22/forgotten-ancient-ugarit-one-of-the-flourishing-and-oldest-cities-of-canaan/Forgotten Ancient Ugarit: One Of The Flourishing And Oldest Cities Of Canaan Ugarit is possibly the oldest living language we have today, Ancient Hebrew exists inside the letters of the torah but is not spoken anymore, only modern Hebrew is. Whereas ancient ugarit is still spoken today. D" You stumple over words – and deny the meaning – miss the pointR" do you agree words in any language should have a single basic meaning regardless of its context? For example "iysh" means women, but in some context can be extended to mean ""my women" ie "wife" We will neglect polysemy for now, and even they have single basic meanings. D" Just where do you think modern grammar came from? Is it a new invention? Or is it a legacy to the past You need to stop criticizing the whole world – and learn to translateR" correct, so come the assumptions from the present, because of the past. D" Because you do not want to learn – you only want to oppose – I know who you areR" I nearly didn't even make becoming a teacher. I use to add an appendix and play word games with my tutors, invent words, just as they did, like "mircoenvionmental potential" is one I remember. D" I believe you – that you cannot understand Barr – it is written at a post-grad level to an audience that knows what he is talking about Your reading comprehension is less than 9th grade American High School And you need about 4 years of language study to catch up to Barr’s audience YET – you feel bold enough and arrogant enough to criticize what you cannot readR" You goofed again. How do you know me? I have two degrees from university, one of 4 years the other of 5 years. One I passed, the other I got credit ranking for. Go figure. I could easily for a masters or PHD, but what is the point? James Barr has a chapter entitled " the child root fallacy" in Hebrew, so how difficult it is to understand this 4 word phrase? Barr does not believe all Hebrew words are related, as Jeff benner teaches. D" NO – but it does indicate that John was 100% a Jew writing about a 100% Jewish religionR" duh a 100% Jew by definition must speak and write Hebrew. I read Acts to roughly chapter 16 and Paul and Silas and others all went to Jew churches to speak to Jews in Hebrew and wrote words in Hebrew, only gradually did they speak to Gentiles. (Jewish Greek gentiles and true greek gentile) D" Rome’s KJV – omits 14 entire Book’s from the - Westminster Leningrad Codex (Masoretic Hebrew Bible) + additions / corrections by the Alepo Codex + additions / correction from the GreekR What 14 missing books? etc etc. D" Rome wants you to believe that the Received Text is all there is – only the Roman approved versionR I could be saved on just Hosea, or Thessalonica, alone; so what are you talking about? D " Jesus Christ Himself referred to the writings of King Solomon – Beelzebub – and his shedim The audience of Jesus Christ – Rabbi – or common man – all understood
Jesus Christ Himself referred to the writings of - Enoch The audience of Jesus Christ – Rabbi – or common man – all understood
Jude – the brother of Jesus Christ – quotes Enoch and refers to the prophesy of Enoch The audience of Jesus Christ – Rabbi – or common man – all understood
Enoch is quoted in the agl/NT 64 times - second to Isaiah's 68R" You assume this, so you can get your Gnsotic works into the torah. Nice try. D" 1945 – the Nag Hammadi Library is found - deliberately hidden for the end timesR" And how did the reformation get saved? no Gnostic around than? D" 1:46 – the similarities are striking – very striking 1:50 - but the difference are astoundingR" so He said 6:07 source of this idea of Satan is Greek, pagan, etcSatan means to impede, angel tried to stop donkey, moving ahead, so to impede...R" impede, just a different word to "oppose", so Singer agrees with me.
impede/Impeder (problem is can you have an Impeder, even a HA-IMPEDER? hence why I chose oppose/opposer, makes the English easier to follow Go to Jewish scriptures, and know...7:03 no angel has free will... The problem with Rabbi Singer does NOT quote Hebrew torah...only talks....9:27 Gnostic was not monolithic religion, all Gnostics were pagans...9:43 our world is monothesticGNostic christians were powerful, but eventually crushed... influence remains...they GNostics say the world was created by evil deity....I will stop here Dave, because Rabbi SInger knocks your Gnostic religion so badly, you cannot have anything anything to do with it. God created evil so man can have free will, Isiah 45:7 says so. So it that it? One verse... God says so do not question me. Satan is a servant to test man, so we can choose good over evil. Imagine it there was no Satan, play game "what if" Look like, we would have nothing pulling us away from God, we would be "dogs" without free will. 14:12, Dogs do not have free will, Wow such statements without a single Hebrew torah quoted, Only ONE, that GOD creates evil on purpose, so man can have free will. Singer also says Gnostism is pagan, so stop listening to it Dave. Now the big question SInger raises, is why do you need a testing agent, to promote humans to choose? Can't humans choose by themselves? If Satan ceased to exist, not a single thing would change. People would still murder and rape and some choose God, why because " baal" is a Hebrew word that says man is our own master and can choose by himself, it is the BAAL or SELF inside of us. We do not need an agent to make us choose or test us. So Singer is wrong. Why do Rabbi Jews quote the Scriptures so poorly and so little? pushing precepts of man I suspect? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 17, 2022 15:21:43 GMT -5
D"Your Robert method does not agree – a Raven is a large Crow – a big black bird R" you goofed again A crow is nothing like a raven. Neither one is death identified in the poetry Your Robert method fails with poetry – but you do not care – you force words together out of context, or consideration for grammar or syntax
"RP" That only failed me because the software I use is poorly designed. Not my fault. D" The expression is – It is a lousy carpenter that blames his tools R" A fact is a fact, the sotware
Why do you depend on flawed software If you bothered to learn to translate you wouldn’t need your short cuts
D"I have directed you to the best available – you don’t seem to be really as interested as you claim to be R" you have? Esword does not collect words with verses in them. No software lists prefix and suffix that I know of? More of Robert’s False Witness More than once I have directed you to the Westminster Morphological Codes I have given you the link more than once
More of Robert’s False Witness Esword will list each and every strong,s number – by verse
D"Gosh – by your own argument – why does God need angels to record stuff – does your god have a poor memory? R" , God know all things yes. But angels don't. God is the Judge – no prosecutor according to you – why do the angels need to record things?
D"You stumple over words – and deny the meaning – miss the point R" do you agree words in any language should have a single basic meaning regardless of its context? What is poetry – why is 1/3 – 1/2 of your scripture poetry How can a Raven be death? – Your Robert method fails within poetry
Enoch is quoted in the agl/NT 64 times - second to Isaiah's 68 R" You assume this, so you can get your Gnsotic works into the torah. Nice try. I have given you the verse before – you just deny reality – turn away from the facts – just to your doctrine stands up – so you can defend your satan as a god
D"1945 – the Nag Hammadi Library is found - deliberately hidden for the end times R" And how did the reformation get saved? no Gnostic around than? DUH – by belief in YHWY – the One true God – who came to earth as a man (God incarnate) to save all mankind
If you bothered to sstudy the facts - the Gnostic Gospels refer to our struggel aganst the archon / principalities - information for the age of the-end-of-days Just as the War Scroll of the Deas Sea Scrolls presparies us for the battel to come
You need to stop criticizing the whole world – and learn to translate D" you do not want to learn – you only want to oppose – I know who you are R" I nearly didn't even make becoming a teacher. I use to add an appendix and play word games with my tutors, invent words, just as they did, like "mircoenvionmental potential" is one I remember. YES Robert – Rich had you pegged long ago – You are a cantankerous personality and you enjoy it The curious thing is why you think it intelligent or prudent to play your word game with the Word of God – just seems disrespectful – to the Word – and to God
D"I believe you – that you cannot understand Barr – it is written at a post-grad level to an audience that knows what he is talking about Your reading comprehension is less than 9th grade American High School R" You goofed again. How do you know me? I have two degrees from university, one of 4 years the other of 5 years. Seriously Robert – you reading comprehension is less than average – you prove it here over and over
The problem with Rabbi Singer does NOT quote Hebrew torah...only talks.... 9:27 Gnostic was not monolithic religion, all Gnostics were pagans... What he says is a common misunderstanding of ancient Gnosticism His reference to 365 gods = the 365 archons that are ‘sars’ of specific localities – ie prince of earth – prince of Persia
9:43 our world is monothestic GNostic christians were powerful, but eventually crushed... influence remains... they GNostics say the world was created by evil deity.... What he says is a common misunderstanding of ancient Gnosticism The term Demurigue = an artisan or craftsman – not a separate being or god
I will stop here Dave, because Rabbi SInger knocks your Gnostic religion so badly, you cannot have anything anything to do with it. More of Robert’s False Witness I am a Gnostic Christian – the Gnostic text I read were written by the authors of the agl/NT – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip and Thomas Robert’s efforts to paint me as an ancient Gnostic without Christ is just an attack upon me, this Ministry, this forum, and the truth
Imagine if there was no Satan, play game "what if" Look like, we would have nothing pulling us away from God, we would be "dogs" without free will.
Now the big question SInger raises, is why do you need a testing agent, to promote humans to choose? Can't humans choose by themselves? ) I Agree – 100% Jewish and Gnostic If Satan ceased to exist, not a single thing would change. – I agree – 100% Jewish and Gnostic People would still murder and rape and some choose God, why because "baal" is a Hebrew word that says man is our own master and can choose by himself, it is the BAAL or SELF inside of us. I Agree – Correct –(yester ra) I have asked you many times to take a stand on the ‘other-gods’ of the Levant
We do not need an agent to make us choose or test us. So Singer is wrong. Absolutley correct – we do not need your Catholic god of evil – the Beast of Revelation is the serpent race we call devils and satans that deceives the whole world
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Post by Dave on Jan 17, 2022 15:52:12 GMT -5
This is exactly how Don Patton argues his creationism crap – misrepresent the facts – and attack his own version This is exactly how Walter Veith presents his SDA crap - – misrepresent the facts – and attack his own version This is exactly what Robert is doing here - – misrepresenting the facts – and attacking his own version By definition – it is a FALSE WITNESS against another – but Robert and the SDA do not seem to mind
I applaud Rabbi Singer for his honesty - academic credability
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 14:52:38 GMT -5
D" Neither one is death identified in the poetry Your Robert method fails with poetry – but you do not care – you force words together out of context, or consideration for grammar or syntax R" Twist Dave, when you did goof, a crow is not a raven.
I quote " The Raven is generally thought to be a symbol of sadness, loss and death in most European countries.
What does a raven symbolize and mean? Black as midnight, it’s not surprising to discover that, in many cultures, Raven symbolism and meaning is connected with death and the underworld. At first this meaning may seem dire, but the representation need not be literal. What does a Raven symbolize, if not death, darkness and decay?
Are Ravens a sign of death? As a carrion bird, ravens became associated with the dead and with lost souls. In Swedish folklore, they are the ghosts of murdered people without Christian burials and, in German stories, damned souls. The Raven has appeared in the mythologies of many ancient peoples.
End quote" R" Did Dave goof again?
D"Why do you depend on flawed software If you bothered to learn to translate you wouldn’t need your short cuts R" Well in the days as a child, it was the only software out there, and still is. DO you have software that is like
"https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf"
that we can download as an app and has also the ability to collect verses under a theme, as well as collect verses that use prefix or suffix?
Sadly this
"https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf"
is only a start to a solution.
It also needs the NT written in Hebrew also, so the former and latter rain as torah come under the same language tools. ie Hebrew.
D"More of Robert’s False Witness Esword will list each and every strong,s number – by verse R" It does not collect all verses with "at" for example, of the prefix "hey" for example. Nor does it collect all verses with "satan" for example.
Nor is it written entirely in Hebrew, for both OT and NT.
D"God is the Judge – no prosecutor according to you – why do the angels need to record things? R" angels witness sinning and witness the changes in human and angelic minds. Many angels repented when they sinned and God forgave them. But humans have a different war than the angels had. Once the angels sinned, God wanted to create a brand new law abiding citizen of heaven as witnesses to sin, so these witness who have never seen sin before, see sin occur in the present sense, and the angels witness this. The angels witness love in action and reaction. When only angels sinned and repented, the process was different to the sinning of humans and sinning angels. So God invites angels to record things to help in the witness process.
D"How can a Raven be death? – Your Robert method fails within poetry R" superstition in the English days was rife. See my links above.
D"I have given you the verse before – you just deny reality – turn away from the facts R" How can one be certain, that some person didn't write parts long ago to look like a forgotten book? Have you not heard of deception?
RP" And how did the reformation get saved? no Gnostic around than? D" DUH – by belief in YHWY – the One true God – who came to earth as a man (God incarnate) to save all mankind
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (KJV)
But hard to search the Gnostic Scriptures if they did not exist back than?
D"YES Robert – Rich had you pegged long ago – You are a cantankerous personality R" Hmm? I am a simple person who loves to uncover things and seek answers. D"The curious thing is why you think it intelligent or prudent to play your word game with the Word of God – just seems disrespectful – to the Word – and to God R" I am a student of Jeff Benner, He does not play word games, neither do I.
D"Seriously Robert – you reading comprehension is less than average – you prove it here over and over R" If that were true, than I would have failed both my uni degrees? But I didn't. I also am able to write computer programmes in JavaScript, Delphi, Fortran and PHP. Such programming requires attention to syntax and logical errors, my Son whom I got started in the computer world, is like me, both a technican and programmer as I am, and have learned many more languages than I have.
D"Your reading comprehension is less than 9th grade American High School R" I follow Scripture: Ps 131:1 ...LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. 2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
I do not seek to get into high and mighty words, following social status of scholarly men.
Like Einstein said, "keep things simple but not simpler".
D"What he says is a common misunderstanding of ancient Gnosticism R" Arrh? so you still like his presentation regardless of the fact he hates Gnostic views of religion, a common misunderstanding?
D"The term Demurigue = an artisan or craftsman – not a separate being or god R" Prove this to me Dave, quoting Gnostic books only. How come mainstream Gnostic writers disagree with you? Including Rabbi SInger?
D"I am a Gnostic Christian – the Gnostic text I read were written by the authors of the agl/NT – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip and Thomas Robert’s efforts to paint me as an ancient Gnostic without Christ is just an attack upon me, this Ministry, this forum, and the truth R" I am sorry Dave, I myself would not include Rabbi SInger as a video presenter of your view.
I am beginning to think your views are so unique, you would have been better off not presenting video of people who are partly discussing things.
Rabbi Singer says "dogs have no free will" This is the same as "bird have no free will"
This is a myth Dave. I gave you Alex the grey African parrot evidence. Much science documented here.
Last thing Alex said before Alex the parrot died next morning was
"Will I see you in the morning"?
How is this statement of love NOT based on free will? Why do you define free will as some nebulous term only humans have, a choice to choose God to save themselves. What definition is this? All animals have intelligence, and intelligence to think independently outside of a programme programming the creature to do as the program says to do, is by definition, free will.
Just because animals do not plead to be saved by GOD, does not mean they have not free will.
D"I applaud Rabbi Singer for his honesty - academic credability R" Personally Dave I would not have used Rabbi SInger as a witness of your views. Rabbi SInger does not quote Hebrew Scriptures. Is there any such thing as a Jew who defend his views using Scripture? Not that I am aware of. Maybe their pride is no high, they do not feel to justify themselves to pagans like us wanting to study Hebrew torah. I have not yet met a single Jew who strictly quotes Hebrew torah to defend his view. They just talk and do blah blah in Hebrew, but no verses are quoted.
Notice when I do a study or present a theme, the verses are quoted. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
SO according to this premise, Jews who do not quote Hebrew torah, especially Moses torah, as just wind bags making a lot of noisey wind with their mouths, sorry.
I love the way Jeff explains Scripture, picture by picture, suffix and word stem, precise Hebrew applications and training. Sadly He never offers a religious view, only his mechanical ideas of the Hebrew.
Many a Jewish Rabbi could learn a thing or two from Jeff Benner. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 18, 2022 16:36:15 GMT -5
D" Neither one is death identified in the poetry Your Robert method fails with poetry – but you do not care – you force words together out of context, or consideration for grammar or syntax R" Twist Dave, when you did goof, a crow is not a raven. Can you tell the difference? Mute point and has nothing to do with your Robert methodI quote " The Raven is generally thought to be a symbol of sadness, loss and death in most European countries. This is not a product of your Robert method – it is from a dictionaryD"Why do you depend on flawed software If you bothered to learn to translate you wouldn’t need your short cuts R" Well in the days as a child, it was the only software out there, and still is. DO you have software that is like Some of the greatest men of scripture existed long before software – you should learn to translate and stop blaming others for your mistakes"https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf" is only a start to a solution. It also needs the NT written in Hebrew also, To add another layer of human translation to the original text – only adds error – human errorD"More of Robert’s False Witness Esword will list each and every strong,s number – by verse R" It does not collect all verses with "at" for example, of the prefix "hey" for example.If you learned to translate – you would understand your own error At – is an issue of grammar and depend on the syntax (spelling) of the sentence Hey – is a suffix – it is a matter of syntax (spelling) Several times I have suggested the link to the Westminster Morphological Codes that would address all your problems – and answer all your pretend questions R" It is not necessary to read grammar and syntax for evaluate a word in a sentence Dave, sure sometimes it is important, but the large number of sentences makes it easier to see the overall basic word meaning of the word at hand. Nor does it collect all verses with "satan" for exampleD"More of Robert’s False Witness56 matches in 49 verses of the KJV+Nor is it written entirely in Hebrew, for both OT and NT. To add another layer of human translation to the original text – only adds error – human errorD"God is the Judge – no prosecutor according to you – why do the angels need to record things? R" angels witness sinning and witness the changes in human So what – why do they need to record – if they have no part in the judgment process – you god does it all by himself = needs no recorder or prosecurtorD"I have given you the verse before – you just deny reality – turn away from the facts R" How can one be certain, that some person didn't write parts long ago to look like a forgotten book? Have you not heard of deception? The Book of Enoch was in print 350BC Egypt – it was a full Part of the temple library long before the agl/NT was written The FACTS – do not support your view – but that has never stopped you before – so deny awayRP" And how did the reformation get saved? no Gnostic around than? D" DUH – by belief in YHWY – the One true God – who came to earth as a man (God incarnate) to save all mankind But hard to search the Gnostic Scriptures if they did not exist back than?Correct – the Nag Hammadi Library – was deliberately hidden for the last generation – for the generation of the end-of-days
Both John and James say – do not share this information with any for they will not understand it until the time is near
Those text labeled Gnostic from the Dead Sea Scrolls – deal with the giants – the Book of Creation – and the War Scroll – dedicated to the last battel between the sins of light vrs the sons of darkness
The Gnostic literature from the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi does not alter Judaism in any way – they do not alter the Gospel in any way – all they do is further define the Beast of Revelation – the serpent race – that we call devils and the satanas
These Gnostic text agree 100% with Judaism and agl/NT Christianity God made the ra – He made everything – the tov and the ra – He made the archon/principalities – by Him for Him to facilitate His Will / His Plan on earth The Roman invention of the god of evil who wants to drag you to hell is a Catholic Myth to scare the population into submission to Roman authorityD"YES Robert – Rich had you pegged long ago – You are a cantankerous personality R" Hmm? I am a simple person who loves to uncover things and seek answers. You do not study – you have no depth of understanding – you only oppose everythingI know who you are - Christian D"The curious thing is why you think it intelligent or prudent to play your word game with the Word of God – just seems disrespectful – to the Word – and to God R" I am a student of Jeff Benner, He does not play word games, neither do I.R" I nearly didn't even make becoming a teacher. I use to add an appendix and play word games with my tutors, invent words, just as they did, like "mircoenvionmental potential" is one I remember. Sorry Robert – I do not believe you – because it is hard to know what you stand for You do not stand for the facts –which are the truth You misrepresent other’s views into a corruption that you can argue against Where is your academic credibility?D"What he says is a common misunderstanding of ancient Gnosticism R" Arrh? so you still like his presentation regardless of the fact he hates Gnostic views of religion, a common misunderstanding?Yes – He correctly presented the common criticism of ancient Gnosticism Why would I be unhappy with the facts or the truth?D"The term Demurigue = an artisan or craftsman – not a separate being or god R" Prove this to me Dave, quoting Gnostic books only. How come mainstream Gnostic writers disagree with you? Including Rabbi SInger? Because the corrective text was authored by Joihn – the disciple of Jesus – the author of the ag’NT Gospel, 3 letters of the agl/NT and the Revelation of johnD"I am a Gnostic Christian – the Gnostic text I read were written by the authors of the agl/NT – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip and Thomas Robert’s efforts to paint me as an ancient Gnostic without Christ is just an attack upon me, this Ministry, this forum, and the truth R" I am sorry Dave, I myself would not include Rabbi SInger as a video presenter of your view. DUH – there goes that 9th grade reading comprehension – Rabbi Singer is posted here to present the Jewish viewI am beginning to think your views are so unique, So Christians do not believe in the Beast of Revelation? So Jews do not believe in the ‘other-gods’ of the Levan?Only you and the SDA are afraid to take a stand on the identity of Allah and the role of Islam within the agl/NTRabbi Singer says "dogs have no free will" This is the same as "bird have no free will" This is a myth Dave. I gave you Alex the grey African parrot evidence. All animals have intelligence, and intelligence to think independently YES – agree – all biological mind – biological brain – IT has nothing to do with the Free Will to return to God as the Prodigal SonD"I applaud Rabbi Singer for his honesty - academic credability R" Personally Dave I would not have used Rabbi SInger as a witness of your views. I have not yet met a single Jew who strictly quotes Hebrew torah to defend his view. They just talk and do blah blah in Hebrew, but no verses are quoted.When you go to graduate school – do they stop and teach you to read and write?Deu 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul; and ye shall bind them for a sign upon your hand, and they shall be for frontlets between your eyes. Deu 11:19 And ye shall teach them your children, talking of them, when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Deu 11:20 And thou shalt write them upon the door-posts of thy house, and upon thy gates; Jos 1:8 This book of the Torah should not depart from your mouth—you are to meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. For then you will make your ways prosperous and then you will be successful. Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Eph 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:13 Wherefore take up the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and, having done all, to stand. Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, Perhapse you should learn the Hebrew scripture FIRST – then criticizeIsa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.Ezekiel does not agree with Moses – will you take it out of your bible? If not why not? And how can you NOT be a hypocrite with your absolutism
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 14:04:48 GMT -5
D" To add another layer of human translation to the original text – only adds error – human errorR" It is thought by some that the the NT was originally written in Hebrew to begin with, not Greek. D" So what – why do they need to record – if they have no part in the judgment process – you god does it all by himself = needs no recorder or prosecutorR" not all questions are answerable Dave. I will ask God when I get there for you. D" The Book of Enoch was in print 350BC Egypt – it was a full Part of the temple library long before the agl/NT was writtenR" Interesting. If this is so, why than " " Enoch, a righteous man, who was (1) with God, answered and spoke, while his eyes were open, and while he saw a holy vision in the heavens. R" Correct Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai; :R how can Mt SInai exist before the flood? They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance. They behold summer and winter: perceiving that the whole earth is full of water; and that the cloud, the dew, and the rain refresh it.
:R How can the pre-flood world have summer and winter, not possible. So on the basis of these statements already, this was not written by Enoch, but by some other dude who was not inspired. Therefore the whole book is rubbish. sorry. D" The FACTS – do not support your view – but that has never stopped you before –1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Test the words you read, that they are inspired. I have done that. D" Correct – the Nag Hammadi Library – was deliberately hidden for the last generation – for the generation of the end-of-daysR" So we have different groups of people saved in heaven than, all with different truth and different gospels? Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Sorry but the torah , the same words have existed from Adam's time, unchanged. And known to all men. D" These Gnostic text agree 100% with Judaism and agl/NT Christianity God made the ra – He made everything – the tov and the ra R" I love the way you and Rabbi Singer just talk. Singer quotes one verse "God creates RA" in Isa 45:7 and that is enough to imply GOD creates both tov and ra on earth, for his own will and glory. SO GOD loves RA and creates RA for his will and purpose? Hardly, God hates RA and would never tolerate RA in my understanding of Scripture. So why don't you guys follow and investigate all the scripture? You do not do here and there, line upon line, on a theme. You just quote and twist one verse only. D" The Roman invention of the god of evil who wants to drag you to hell is a Catholic Myth to scare the population into submission to Roman authorityR" look at you. Your Demuirge is some god of evil.... you have a Father creating evil for his own good will? You have a hell for your spirits, proportional punishment. Your achons are feared by you. You are fearful of their influence. Who is promoting the same view as the Roman Catholic is? You are. Wee SDA do not have a god of evil, only an agent of sin. Wee SDA do not have a hell like yours, hell is just a place where humans sleep awaiting judgement later at their resurrection for either glory or condemnation. Wee SDA do not fear the Opposer or learn his ways, I myself seek to fight the good fight of faith. Seek Jesus and nothing else matters. D" You do not study – you have no depth of understanding R" Oh I suppose you do study and you have published your studies so people can learn and read of Gnostic Christianity? If it wasn't for me getting you to publish your views here, your witness on this forum would be just brevity. If you study so well, where is the scholar study explaining the difference between satan and the Greek word satanas, I have not seen your study. Or your depth of understanding, or even a video of any scholar agreeing with you. Not even Singer agrees with your ideas of Gnostic writings. You say He is only misguided. Dave quotes me for saying something" R" I nearly didn't even make becoming a teacher. I use to add an appendix and play word games with my tutors, invent words, just as they did, like "mircoenvionmental potential" is one I remember.D" Sorry Robert – I do not believe you – because it is hard to know what you stand for You do not stand for the facts –which are the truth You misrepresent other’s views into a corruption that you can argue against Where is your academic credibility?R" OK start up a new thread called "word games" Dave. (1) Define what is a word game? (2) Define what are words? DO words have different meanings or not? Are you allowed to change meanings of words, invent new words so other people learn these new words? Shakespeare did. (3) Are you allowed to intentionally change a word meaning the Author never intended you to make? Like your poem about the raven. What is your opinion of what the raven was Dave? (4) Should polysemy exist at all in any language? D" Yes – He correctly presented the common criticism of ancient GnosticismR" Oh so for others who see Gnostic views, they see Gnostic as deception and wrong, we are misguided, while Dave see Gnostic views are true and faithful. Hmm? I think you are misguided. D" Because the corrective text was authored by Joihn – the disciple of Jesus – the author of the ag’NT Gospel, 3 letters of the agl/NT and the Revelation of johnR" I quote Dave " You misrepresent other’s views into a corruption that you can argue against - Where is your academic credibility?"Come on Dave, I asked you for your reasons, defend them, you called this a serious discussion? D" DUH – there goes that 9th grade reading comprehension – Rabbi Singer is posted here to present the Jewish viewR" Dave I wouldn't use Rabbi SInger for Jewish views either. He just talks but does not use the torah for his authority. D" IT has nothing to do with the Free Will to return to God as the Prodigal SonR" so now free will is defined by Dave as a creature who has a sense of sin, and a need to seek God for forgiveness of his sins? I would call this a gift from GOD, the gift of repentance. Why do you define things so difficult to evaluate using Scripture? Where does Scripture speak of free will? It only speaks of "reason", "choose" these things are "cognitive" to do with "brain intelligence" , something other animals have also. D" Perhapse you should learn the Hebrew scripture FIRST – then criticizeR" OK your verses are excellent, we eat the torah as you say, but what about witnessing to others Dave? What about quoting the correct theme though:- Ex 4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say. Ex 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do. Le 14:57 To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean:
1Sa 12:23 Moreover as for me, God forbid that I should sin against the LORD in ceasing to pray for you: but I will teach you the good and the right way: Job 6:24 T each me, and I will hold my tongue: Job 33:33 If not, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I shall teach thee wisdom. Ps 25:5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: Ps 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: Ps 119:33 ¶ HE. Teach me, O LORD, the way of thy statutes; Pr 20:11 ¶ Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right. Pr 22:6 ¶ Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Ac 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 1Pe 1:10 ¶ Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, The torah is called teachings, and the teacher is supposed to teach using the teachings. Your Rabbi SInger is a lousy teacher, and does not teach using the teachings. D" Ezekiel does not agree with Moses – will you take it out of your bible? If not why not? And how can you NOT be a hypocrite with your absolutismR" If you wish to enter into a study where one prophet disagrees with another prophet, bring it on. Both prophets have to have received the same messages from GOD, and GOD is not of chaos or RA, according to me. God is absolutism, perfect and changes not. Shalom
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