Post by Dave on Jan 20, 2022 16:22:05 GMT -5
D"To add another layer of human translation to the original text – only adds error – human error
R" It is thought by some that the the NT was originally written in Hebrew to begin with, not Greek.
Please produce an original Hebrew text – there are none
To add another layer of human translation to the original text – only adds error – human error
D"So what – why do they need to record – if they have no part in the judgment process – you god does it all by himself = needs no recorder or prosecutor
R" not all questions are answerable Dave. I will ask God when I get there for you.
But you are absolute God does not uses a prosecutor – Why do you feel comfortable misrepresent scripture? - Christian
So you can answer the question - you just refuse to do so
D"The Book of Enoch was in print 350BC Egypt – it was a full Part of the temple library long before the agl/NT was written
R" Interesting. If this is so, why than "
Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai;
:R how can Mt SInai exist before the flood?
Gee how can prophesy about the New Heaven and Earth be true – it has not happed yet?
Are you going to remove the Book of revelation now - just how much scriptuer are you willing to discard and deny?
:R How can the pre-flood world have summer and winter, not possible.
Depends on how you define the words – earth has always had a perigee and apogee
So on the basis of these statements already, this was not written by Enoch, but by some other dude who was not inspired. Therefore the whole book is rubbish. sorry.
Please remove the 64 verses of Enoch from your agl/NT
While your add it – remove the comments by Jesus about Belzeebub
While you’re at it – remopve the Book of Jude from your agl/NT – the Prophesy of Enoch
1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
You have no spirits – all you have is the HS empowering all these beings
Why do you teach that the HS is a false witness?
D"Correct – the Nag Hammadi Library – was deliberately hidden for the last generation – for the generation of the end-of-days
R" So we have different groups of people saved in heaven than, all with different truth and different gospels?
There are a lot of believers in heaven – awaiting the First Resurrection – Correct
Belief is all that is required
D"These Gnostic text agree 100% with Judaism and agl/NT Christianity
God made the ra – He made everything – the tov and the ra
R" I love the way you and Rabbi Singer just talk. Singer quotes one verse "God creates RA" in Isa 45:7 and that is enough to imply GOD creates both tov and ra on earth, for his own will and glory.
SO GOD loves RA and creates RA for his will and purpose? Hardly,
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Created by Him for Him – why are you so comfortable misrepresenting the Word of God - Christian
D"The Roman invention of the god of evil who wants to drag you to hell is a Catholic Myth to scare the population into submission to Roman authority
R" look at you.
Jewish theology was well in place at the time of Jesus Christ
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Gnostic Christianity = Jewish theology + the Jewish Messiah + more detail about the Beast of Revelation – they are called archon and translated in your agl/NT as principalities
Roman Christendom – rewrites all Jewish theology to include Hebrew satan the god of evil
Roman Christendom moved the Sabbath – and persecuted anyone acting like a Messianic Jew
Catholic satan the god of evil – is not from scripture – it is from the catechism of the Roma Catholic Church
To prevent new Christians from acting like Messianic Jews – they drafted Canon #29
www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm
Canon 29 - Synod of Laodicea
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
Your Demuirge is some god of evil....
Demiurge – is a craftsman or an artisan – why do you deny that the One True God is a craftsman or artisan – your respect for the Lord is slipping through
You have a hell for your spirits, proportional punishment.
NO Christian Hell – Proportional Punishment – each man according to his deeds, works, and fruit
Wee SDA do not have a hell like yours, hell is just a place where humans sleep awaiting judgement later at their resurrection for either glory or condemnation.
YES – you think you can escape your own sin – by denying Proportional Punishment
D"You do not study – you have no depth of understanding
R" Oh I suppose you do study and you have published your studies so people can learn and read of Gnostic Christianity? If it wasn't for me getting you to publish your views here, your witness on this forum would be just brevity.
Sorry – two Books in print as of today – a 3rd one in the works
If you study so well, where is the scholar study explaining the difference between satan and the Greek word satanas, I have not seen your study. Or your depth of understanding, or even a video of any scholar agreeing with you. Not even Singer agrees with your ideas of Gnostic writings. You say He is only misguided.
I have two different threads on this forum dedicated you your quandary
Your pretend ignorance – that you cannot find them – is a lame excuse
D"Yes – He correctly presented the common criticism of ancient Gnosticism
R" Oh so for others who see Gnostic views, they see Gnostic as deception and wrong, we are misguided, while Dave see Gnostic views are true and faithful. Hmm? I think you are misguided.
Why do you preach that Jesus and satan are twin brothers?
Why do you preach that Jehovah was just a man that grew up to become a god
This is 100% Christian – and you claim to be a Christian – so defend your strange views
D"DUH – when God created – there were a total of 10 dimensions brought into existence
R" Only in this ONE creation Dave?
I have GOD creating other universes and other worlds just because God can. A different view to you.
Cool – this is also a Mormon teaching – I didn’t realize both churches have so much in common
Do not say – you are not a Mormon – because they are both Christian – and they are from the same time period in history early 1900s
Ancient Gnostics is 2000 years removed from The Nag Hammadi
Your respect – is noted – I know who you are - Christian
I know the difference - you know the difference - but your dissrespect speaks volumes - Christian
(1) you have a reading comprehension problem (2) or you just choose to oppose everything - because you are an apposer - test me all you want - I will never bend a knee to your god of evil Hebrew satan
D"DUH – there goes that 9th grade reading comprehension – Rabbi Singer is posted here to present the Jewish view
R" Dave I wouldn't use Rabbi SInger for Jewish views either
Gnostic Christianity = Jewish theology + the Jewish Messiah + more detail about the Beast of Revelation – they are called archon and translated in your agl/NT as principalities
Yoyur continued attempt to misrepresent me and my views on this forum is becoming very tiresome
If you do not grow up – and discuss with integrity – we are done
D "Perhaps you should learn the Hebrew scripture FIRST – then criticize
D"Ezekiel does not agree with Moses – will you take it out of your bible? If not why not? And how can you NOT be a hypocrite with your absolutism
R" If you wish to enter into a study where one prophet disagrees with another prophet, bring it on. Both prophets have to have received the same messages from GOD, and GOD is not of chaos or RA, according to me.
YES - I am awaiting your proof!
D"Ezekiel does not agree with Moses – will you take it out of your bible? If not why not? And how can you NOT be a hypocrite with your absolutism
R" It is thought by some that the the NT was originally written in Hebrew to begin with, not Greek.
Please produce an original Hebrew text – there are none
To add another layer of human translation to the original text – only adds error – human error
D"So what – why do they need to record – if they have no part in the judgment process – you god does it all by himself = needs no recorder or prosecutor
R" not all questions are answerable Dave. I will ask God when I get there for you.
But you are absolute God does not uses a prosecutor – Why do you feel comfortable misrepresent scripture? - Christian
So you can answer the question - you just refuse to do so
D"The Book of Enoch was in print 350BC Egypt – it was a full Part of the temple library long before the agl/NT was written
R" Interesting. If this is so, why than "
Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai;
:R how can Mt SInai exist before the flood?
Gee how can prophesy about the New Heaven and Earth be true – it has not happed yet?
Are you going to remove the Book of revelation now - just how much scriptuer are you willing to discard and deny?
:R How can the pre-flood world have summer and winter, not possible.
Depends on how you define the words – earth has always had a perigee and apogee
So on the basis of these statements already, this was not written by Enoch, but by some other dude who was not inspired. Therefore the whole book is rubbish. sorry.
Please remove the 64 verses of Enoch from your agl/NT
While your add it – remove the comments by Jesus about Belzeebub
While you’re at it – remopve the Book of Jude from your agl/NT – the Prophesy of Enoch
1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
You have no spirits – all you have is the HS empowering all these beings
Why do you teach that the HS is a false witness?
D"Correct – the Nag Hammadi Library – was deliberately hidden for the last generation – for the generation of the end-of-days
R" So we have different groups of people saved in heaven than, all with different truth and different gospels?
There are a lot of believers in heaven – awaiting the First Resurrection – Correct
Belief is all that is required
D"These Gnostic text agree 100% with Judaism and agl/NT Christianity
God made the ra – He made everything – the tov and the ra
R" I love the way you and Rabbi Singer just talk. Singer quotes one verse "God creates RA" in Isa 45:7 and that is enough to imply GOD creates both tov and ra on earth, for his own will and glory.
SO GOD loves RA and creates RA for his will and purpose? Hardly,
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Created by Him for Him – why are you so comfortable misrepresenting the Word of God - Christian
D"The Roman invention of the god of evil who wants to drag you to hell is a Catholic Myth to scare the population into submission to Roman authority
R" look at you.
Jewish theology was well in place at the time of Jesus Christ
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Gnostic Christianity = Jewish theology + the Jewish Messiah + more detail about the Beast of Revelation – they are called archon and translated in your agl/NT as principalities
Roman Christendom – rewrites all Jewish theology to include Hebrew satan the god of evil
Roman Christendom moved the Sabbath – and persecuted anyone acting like a Messianic Jew
Catholic satan the god of evil – is not from scripture – it is from the catechism of the Roma Catholic Church
To prevent new Christians from acting like Messianic Jews – they drafted Canon #29
www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm
Canon 29 - Synod of Laodicea
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
Your Demuirge is some god of evil....
I will stop here Dave, because Rabbi SInger knocks your Gnostic religion so badly, you cannot have anything anything to do with it.
More of Robert’s False Witness
I am a Gnostic Christian – the Gnostic text I read were written by the authors of the agl/NT – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip and Thomas
Robert’s efforts to paint me as an ancient Gnostic without Christ is just an attack upon me, this Ministry, this forum, and the truth
More of Robert’s False Witness
I am a Gnostic Christian – the Gnostic text I read were written by the authors of the agl/NT – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip and Thomas
Robert’s efforts to paint me as an ancient Gnostic without Christ is just an attack upon me, this Ministry, this forum, and the truth
Demiurge – is a craftsman or an artisan – why do you deny that the One True God is a craftsman or artisan – your respect for the Lord is slipping through
You have a hell for your spirits, proportional punishment.
NO Christian Hell – Proportional Punishment – each man according to his deeds, works, and fruit
Wee SDA do not have a hell like yours, hell is just a place where humans sleep awaiting judgement later at their resurrection for either glory or condemnation.
YES – you think you can escape your own sin – by denying Proportional Punishment
D"You do not study – you have no depth of understanding
R" Oh I suppose you do study and you have published your studies so people can learn and read of Gnostic Christianity? If it wasn't for me getting you to publish your views here, your witness on this forum would be just brevity.
Sorry – two Books in print as of today – a 3rd one in the works
If you study so well, where is the scholar study explaining the difference between satan and the Greek word satanas, I have not seen your study. Or your depth of understanding, or even a video of any scholar agreeing with you. Not even Singer agrees with your ideas of Gnostic writings. You say He is only misguided.
I have two different threads on this forum dedicated you your quandary
Your pretend ignorance – that you cannot find them – is a lame excuse
D"Yes – He correctly presented the common criticism of ancient Gnosticism
R" Oh so for others who see Gnostic views, they see Gnostic as deception and wrong, we are misguided, while Dave see Gnostic views are true and faithful. Hmm? I think you are misguided.
Why do you preach that Jesus and satan are twin brothers?
Why do you preach that Jehovah was just a man that grew up to become a god
This is 100% Christian – and you claim to be a Christian – so defend your strange views
Jan 12, 2022 15:02:26 GMT -5 @robertt said:
D"DUH – when God created – there were a total of 10 dimensions brought into existence
R" Only in this ONE creation Dave?
I have GOD creating other universes and other worlds just because God can. A different view to you.
Cool – this is also a Mormon teaching – I didn’t realize both churches have so much in common
Do not say – you are not a Mormon – because they are both Christian – and they are from the same time period in history early 1900s
Ancient Gnostics is 2000 years removed from The Nag Hammadi
Your respect – is noted – I know who you are - Christian
I know the difference - you know the difference - but your dissrespect speaks volumes - Christian
(1) you have a reading comprehension problem (2) or you just choose to oppose everything - because you are an apposer - test me all you want - I will never bend a knee to your god of evil Hebrew satan
D"DUH – there goes that 9th grade reading comprehension – Rabbi Singer is posted here to present the Jewish view
R" Dave I wouldn't use Rabbi SInger for Jewish views either
Gnostic Christianity = Jewish theology + the Jewish Messiah + more detail about the Beast of Revelation – they are called archon and translated in your agl/NT as principalities
Yoyur continued attempt to misrepresent me and my views on this forum is becoming very tiresome
If you do not grow up – and discuss with integrity – we are done
D "Perhaps you should learn the Hebrew scripture FIRST – then criticize
D"Ezekiel does not agree with Moses – will you take it out of your bible? If not why not? And how can you NOT be a hypocrite with your absolutism
R" If you wish to enter into a study where one prophet disagrees with another prophet, bring it on. Both prophets have to have received the same messages from GOD, and GOD is not of chaos or RA, according to me.
YES - I am awaiting your proof!
D"Ezekiel does not agree with Moses – will you take it out of your bible? If not why not? And how can you NOT be a hypocrite with your absolutism