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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2021 8:04:50 GMT -5
I am in love with a group called CIRA International. Muslims that have become Christian witnessing to other Muslims X-Muslims that are very ACADEMICALLY critical of Islam And ACADEMICALLY critical of scripture without the bias of a preconceived Rome-Centric Christian denomination Not only do I agree with their approach – I also agree and support their VERY NON-ROMAN ChristianityRome-Centric sees the Legs of Iron and feet of clay = Rome 2 legs and feet = Roman Empire + Holy Roman (Byzantine) Empire The problem with this Rome-Centric viewEach of the kingdoms are to overthrow Nebuchadnezzar’s kingdom The Medo-Persian Empire did
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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2021 8:11:15 GMT -5
The Greco Empire did but the Roman Empire never has Instead the 2 Legs and feet represent the Ottoman Empire – Shia + Sunni Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream Refers to the Islamic Empire - Bible Prophecy in the Middle East - Episode 2
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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2021 8:28:55 GMT -5
And The Coming Battle of Gog and Magog - Bible Prophecy in the Middle East - Episode 3All of the peoples / nations of the Ezk 38 war are from Turkey The coming New Islamic Ottoman Caliphate centered in Turkey and Iran is Gog and MayGog ------------------ I agree with Mr Richardson teachingI arrive at the same conclusion from a totally secular perspective.However – His presentation leave out a significant and most relevant factor – the internal civil war within Islam itself – between the 2 legs and feet of Nebuchadnezzar’s DreamWorld historyBefore WWI = capital States traded only with their colonies Free trade on the ‘blue waters’ = piracy and war at sea – and war and conflict on land WWI was the end of Monarchies, Kings, Queens, Kingdoms, and the Ottoman Empire 1945 – The end of WWII 1945 – Nag Hammadi text – “Gnostic” - hidden for the generation of the end-of-days 1947 – Dead Sea Scrolls – also hidden - “Gnostic War Scroll” – the last battel 1948 – Israel returns to the Promised Land 1952 – Bretton-Woods agreement Of all the capital countries America was the last man standing American became a Super Power by defaultThe Bretton-Woods Agreement was a bribe – If you allied with America in the Russian cold war, America – the only viable market will buy all your exports – you can use the money to rebuild America – will provide ‘The World Police’ – military security – those countries do not have to rebuild armies America – guarantees FREE TRADE on the blue water – those countries don’t need large navies AND – America will put up the US Dollar as an international currency For the first time in history – any country could trade with any country in security For the first time in history - trade has an international stability of currency Was American in the Middle East for oil?YES – everyone’s oil – oil for the alliance – what America called the Free WorldThis agreement has given the planet its longest last period of peace in its history During this Bretton-Woods era – the world as a whole – grew up technologically The Reality of Biology 101 The growth curve of any organism on a closed ecosystem = lag, log, stationary, and decline/death phases Lag Phage – growth is stagnant as the organism figures out its environment Log Phase – Mastered the environment – birth rate>death rate Stationary Phase – Life is good – maximum resource management – birth rate=death rate Death Phase – depletion of resources + waste pollution – birth rate <death rate Fact – earth is a closed ecosystem Humanities ‘Stationary Phase’ – 1945 – 1986 and baby Boom is obvious Hiroshima to Chernobyl is also obvious and curious correlates with the Bretton-Woods eraFact – Humanity is in for a population collapse – a demographic winterIt will affect White Western Christendom the most Our future is inevitable – we cannot escape prophesy – or reality And why no country is worried about the debt – it will just reset
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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2021 8:35:27 GMT -5
Today – Donald Trump has officially ended the Bretton-Woods eraIt is America’s withdrawal from the Middle East that allows the current instability That instability flaring up – is actually an Islamic civil war between shia and sunni Isn’t it interesting that in Sunni Arabia – the shia live on top of the oilWho is allowed to profit from the oil – Sunni Arabia – NOT Shia Iran Who is the whore of Babylon that is in bed with the West (satan) – Arabia Without America (the collapse of Bretton-Woods era) Arabia MUST turn to the next closest western military power – Israel for security = The Abrahamic AccordsKing of the North – shia dominate Iran / Turkey + China for oil King of the South – Sunni Israel alliance + America/the West – Abrahamic Accords America’s Role in ProphesyThe concern expressed by Rabbi Singer - Is the parable of Ezk 28, King of Tyre, all about America. The best fried that fails to show up when most needed?
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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2021 8:42:24 GMT -5
Allah and IsraelThe age of the Jews – OT times – God’s chosen people only represented 1% (my imaginary number) of the world The 99% - the rest of the world was left to: Rev 12:9 And the great dragon …the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. During OT times – there are 33 ‘other gods’ listed in the Hebrew text Mohmand placed all these ‘other gods’ into the Kaba and declared that Allah was their supreme leader Or Allah is a replacement name for the more ancient deity Hubal, who was always the supreme leader of these ‘other gods’Islam and Walid ShoebatThis guy was a radicalized Muslim – a scholar – that Recognized the truth of 666 His argument = God didn’t use Gematria, the Jewish form of numerology in which the letters of the Hebrew alphabet are substituted with corresponding numbers. Rome-Centric Christendom says the 3 standalone Greek letters = 600+60+6 or 666 Walid Shoebat – makes the point that Gnostic John wrote what he saw – Revelation was a vision And what John saw = Who wears the Mark/Badge/Number on their right arm and foreheadMark of the Beast = In The Name Of Allah in Revelation 13 Dr Chuck MisslerIslam and Satan - part05 Walid ShoebatMark of the Beast 666 Walid Shoebat
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 15:05:47 GMT -5
D"YES – one type of angel is called a cherub because its function is to protect and guard R" great thank you, Now what do you do with a passage that says "cherub chata" ? You ignore Scripture by a really good prophet, who properly describes cherubs as next to God and properly gives us a glimpse of God's throne, but you ignore some of the weirder portions of this prophet, because you do not like the messages from GOD.
D"God created man- God saves man – and the pagan god’s are all bane elohiym Thank you for validating my point R" So the pagan gods are elohiym powers, you just wrote that: It is even validated here in the commandments.
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
So why do you have problems with other gods (ie elohiym powers) worshipped by humans, apart from GOD?
Now my question to you has always been, where did these bane elohiym gods come from,? Again you ignore the prophet Ezekiels words?
Where does the Book of Enoch say they came from? How come you follow that message but ignore the Ezekiel message?
DP" The Lamb Foreordained Before the Foundation of the World RP" Jesus was meant to be an olah sacrifice on an altar, not cursed as a criminal upon the cross. D" If Jesus was meant to be on the cross – why do you brag that satan killed Him or the Jews killed Him R" Can't you read Dave? I said Jesus was to be an olah offering on an altar. But you write "If Jesus was meant to be on the cross "
Jesus was NEVER meant to DIE on a CROSS.
Neither do I brag satan killed Jesus or the Jews killed Jesus.
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video "Mark of the Beast = In The Name Of Allah in Revelation 13 Dr Chuck Missler
All of them are wrong, pointing in the wrong direction...
Zech 11:17 idol shepherd, sword on his arm and right eye. How no idea? Make an emblem of some leader.. 7:25
number, definite of indefinite number JOhn wrote what he saw, maybe not Greek letter Bism Allah, right to left, arabic letters, in the name of Allah turn symbol on its belly looks like a serpent.
possibility
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feet of the Roman empire, what part are we talking about? Is seven kings, five fallen and one has not yet come Black stone, star that fell from sky. Asteroid that fell from sky
dropped from interpretation from prophecy.... Muslim pointing are dropped Isa 12 :6 in your midst 13:3,4,5 Noise of multitude in the mountains
army for battle
with the Lord fighting in Israel, Isa 14:4 called king of Babylon, nickname how are you fallen from heaven, hel al, BenShfar arabic word for bright cresecent moon morning star, Sahar, nickname for antichrist, about Lucifier yes, but about body meaning body (muslim)
lucifer a man, made earth tremble. Isa 18 cush, land mass south of Egypt, Muslim Isa 34:8 for cause of Zion Not AD but Muslim AH.... interesting --------------------------------------------------
Mark of the Beast 666 Walid Shoebat God not interested in numbers of names.... used in witchcraft... thought is was 666 number Arabic text
in name of "allah" two swords symbol. antithesis of the Bible is what they (muslims) beleive in
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No comments at this stage, I will get back to you on this point
Current SDA prophecies do have Muslim nations in Revelation destroying much of the earth and spoiling God's cause. Remember your point that many Muslims are converting to Christian faith ?? from a vision given to them.
.Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2021 17:57:09 GMT -5
D"YES – one type of angel is called a cherub because its function is to protect and guard R" great thank you, Now what do you do with a passage that says "cherub chata" ? The King of Tyre is the guardian/proctor of his people – whose power went to their head The passage is a commentary of Adam and Eve in the GardenD"God created man- God saves man – and the pagan god’s are all bane elohiym Thank you for validating my point R" So the pagan gods are elohiym powers, you just wrote that: It is even validated here in the commandments. YES Robert – It has always been soEx 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. – yep archonSo why do you have problems with other gods (ie elohiym powers) worshipped by humans, apart from GOD? WHAT – all pagan gods, demons, evil spirits, of the entire globe are these archon You know this is what I sayNow my question to you has always been, where did these bane elohiym gods come from,? Again you ignore the prophet Ezekiels words?I will stick with then men that walked and talked with Jesus Christ before and after His Resurrection The very authors of the agl who wrote of the Beast of RevelationWhere does the Book of Enoch say they came from? - heavenHow come you follow that message but ignore the Ezekiel message?The Beast of Revelation appeared in a plurality – you satan is one angelThe Beast of Revelation was never God’s most cherished creature – it simply just appeared Only man / Adam – was God’s most cherish until Gen 3
Precept upon precept, line upon line the Reality of the Archon fir every line of scripture, every line of prophesy, and yields a bases for all mythology and all pagan worship Precept upon precept, line upon line the Reality of the Archon is simply RealityThe only thing your satan doctrine agrees with is Roman doctrineYou have never answered the question – why does your Hebrew satan obey God? Or why is it a sin for your Hebrew satan to obey the Lord?DP" The Lamb Foreordained Before the Foundation of the World Jesus was NEVER meant to DIE on a CROSS.So you deny scripture – Luk 22:42 saying, “Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.” My discussion = GOD’s WillNeither do I brag satan killed Jesus or the Jews killed Jesus. Jesus was NEVER meant to DIE on a CROSS. –(meaning the Jews and satan killed Him against God’s Will) Stop inventing words I didn't say.Stop saying anti-Christian things--------------------- Islam and Satan - part05 Walid Shoebat Joel 3:17 Muslim feet of the Roman empire, what part are we talking about? If you wish to discuss these veres – I am all for itThe 2 legs = is an obvious divided type of Kingdom – Rome-Centric says Roman and Byzantine empires Non-Roman-centric = Middle Eastern reality – Islam sunni vrs shia Is seven kings, five fallen and one has not yet come YES – the argument about Mountains = nations is a Jewish interpretation7 nations/kingdoms that ruled Nebacanezzer’s Kingdom – 5 have fallen 1- Egypt 2- Assyria 3- Babylon 4- Medo-Persian 5- Greco 6- Roman – the era 7 – the nation yet to come – the Return of the Ottoman Empire Are we in the end times – are the current events of the Middle East todayErdogan's Love for Ottoman Empire Should Worry The Worldtime.com › Ideas › world affairs Sep 3, 2020 — Why Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Love Affair with the Ottoman Empire ... here is that calls for returns to perceived greatness, whether in Turkey ... Turkey Will Not Return to the Western Fold | Foreign Affairswww.foreignaffairs.com › articles › turkey-will-not... May 19, 2021 — The Ottoman Empire in the late nineteenth century and the Turkish Republic in its early decades both sought to insulate the state from currents ... Turkey's New Maps Are Reclaiming the Ottoman Empireforeignpolicy.com › 2016/10/23 › turkeys-religiou... Oct 23, 2016 — An expert's point of view on a current event. Turkey's New Maps Are Reclaiming the Ottoman Empire. Erdogan's aggressive nationalism is now ... Erdogan Is Making the Ottoman Empire Great Again - Foreign ...https://foreignpolicy.com › 2018/06/22 › erdogan-is-maki... Jun 22, 2018 — SARAJEVO — Not every Turkish president can come to Sarajevo and get an endorsement from both heaven and earth, but Recep Tayyip Erdogan has ... What common enemy would reunite the Islamic Ottoman Empire?Answer – IsraelAre we in the end times –any correlation here?Black stone, star that fell from sky. Asteroid that fell from SkyYES – do you know the story of the Black Stone?(wiki) The Black Stone …is a rock set into the eastern corner of the Kaaba, the ancient building in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is revered by Muslims as an Islamic relic which, according to Muslim tradition, dates back to the time of Adam and Eve. The stone was venerated at the Kaaba in pre-Islamic pagan times. According to Islamic tradition, it was set intact into the Kaaba's wall by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in 605 CE, five years before his first revelation. Since then it has been broken into fragments and is now cemented into a silver frame in the side of the Kaaba. Its physical appearance is that of a fragmented dark rock, polished smooth by the hands of pilgrims. Islamic tradition holds that it fell from heaven as a guide for Adam and Eve to build an altar. It has often been described as a meteorite.Black Stone of Mecca | Islam | Britannicahttps://www.britannica.com › ... › Religious Places Located in the eastern corner of the Kaaba is the Black Stone of Mecca, whose now-broken pieces are surrounded by a ring of stone and held together by a heavy ... dropped from interpretation from prophecy.... Muslim pointing are droppedIsa 12 :6 in your midst 13:3,4,5 Noise of multitude in the mountains OK – we should be on common ground hereWHO IS THE RELIGIOUS THOUGHT POLICE --- wait for it --- ROMEQuestion - Who does not teach Allah and Islam as the enemy? Answer – White Western Roman Christendom WHY – this answer is so deceptive The ANSWER for why Islam is not taught as the enemy – is the same answer as why Creation is not taught in schools – ‘the West is a free democracy’ – there is a separation between church and state What is happening between Israel and Iran – or Turkey and Syria – Saudi Arabia vrs Iran – or Sudan vrs Egypt – Yemen vrs Saudi Arabia – etc etc etc – all of it is a 100% religious war OK – we should be on common ground hereWHO IS THE RELIGIOUS THOUGHT POLICE --- wait for it --- ROME Question - Who does not teach Allah and Islam as the enemy? ANSWER = ROME and What Robert called a Jesuit Satanic Cult – who has replace all of Islam with Ezk 28 with the Lord fighting in Israel, Isa 14:4 called king of Babylon, nickname how are you fallen from heaven, hel al, BenShfar arabic word for bright crescent moon how are you fallen from heaven – bright and shiny start / meteor Not AD but Muslim AH.... interesting YES – Shiria Law – did you know that either-------------------------------------------------- Mark of the Beast 666 Walid Shoebat God not interested in numbers of names.... used in witchcraft... thought is was 666 number Arabic text in name of "allah" two swords symbol. antithesis of the Bible is what they (muslims) beleive in interesting... This is what I’ll say – and what I hope this discussion illuminates.1- Western Roman Christendom is Rome Centric – absolutely correct 2- what is the 2 legs and feet of myrery clay (meaning not unified) are Islam – sunni vrs shia If it is – then all of history – all of theology – all of reality – falls into place 3- Richard has always said it take a Jew, a Christian, and a Muslim to make the world go round There are 3 Abrahamic faiths – The future battel is between Israel and the surrounding Muslim countries of the Ottoman Empire (officially or not) The future battel is between Christ and the Muslim countries 4- The Book of Revelation speaks of those beheaded as martyrs – who does this? As for 666G5480 – χάραγμα – charagma - From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude) In classical Greek – this can be a flag or a banner As in – ‘That ship flies the mark of Alexander’ Or – the legion appeared on the battel field each formed behind its own mark / banner/flag 666 as a badge of servitude – YES very correct uses of the wordGamatreia – Jewish numerology – this is the only place in scripture it appears John wrote what he saw – it was a vision 5- Remember your point that many Muslims are converting to Christian faith ?? from a vision given to them.YES – God is working miracles in the Middle East – the Holy lands – the focal point of all scripture 6- the timing of this revelation is also interesting – 1945, 1945, 1947, 1948, 1952, + Walid Shoebat and this new Islamic Christian revival + Trumps Abrahamic Accords + China’s new deal for oil with Iran + America’s withdrawal from the Middle East + demographic winter + global warming even and the coming mass food shortages + the global financial struggle / free trade TOO MUCH TO IGNORE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 14:43:16 GMT -5
D"The King of Tyre is the guardian/proctor of his people – whose power went to their head R" power went to his head, correct
D" The passage is a commentary of Adam and Eve in the Garden R" Absolutely not. Not a single mention of Adam and Eve.
There are some verses you fail to acknowledge
All of these verses apply to the cherub in the garden of eden, not King Tyre in the Garden of Eden
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. {sardius: or, ruby} {beryl: or, chrysolite} {emerald: or, chrysoprase} The cherub had a massive array of precious things over him
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
This cherub was the chief cherub closest to God and walked to protect the laws and oracles of God
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
This royal cherub was sinless and perfect (as all cherubims were) and is created as a creature (as all cherubims are) but for some reason this one cherub began to sin.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
One cherub began to sin, from the Government of God, so GOD said God would destroy the cherub
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
The cherub grew in pride because he saw himself beautiful and so GOD cast the cherub down before other kings (other princes of other worlds)
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
The cherub begins to sin more and more, causing other cherubims to sin with him, so GOD kicked them out unto earth in the sight of all the unfallen worlds and their kings, so they coul dbehold the affect of sinning before GOD.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more
In order for SIN and SINNING to never appear again, GOD makes a plan (already knew His plan) so the SIN problem shall never be anymore.
Now these verses say a whole lot more than just cherub chata. The great contraversary theme is here, and repeated again in Revelation 12.
Now you go through every verse like I am and rebut my discussions and establish your view, because you don't just ignore a verse here and there, but the whole passage is about the cherub that sinned.
Here is the passage that speaks of King Tyre
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: {midst: Heb. heart} Like the cherub, King Tyre's heart is also lifted up in pride because the King Tyre sins
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
The King Tyre claims to be wiser than Daniel...like the cherub who claims to be wiser than Jesus
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
The King Tyre claims to begotten riches, like God who gave the cherub riches
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches: {thy great...: Heb. the greatness of thy wisdom} The King flatters thge people with riches just as the cherub who also sins, flatter the kings of other worlds with riches
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
GOD deals with King Tyre because he claims to be as high as the Most High God, just as the cherub also claimed to resach this height (mentioned in Isa 14)
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. Other strangers will bring the King Tyre down, just as the kings from other worlds bring down the Cherub who sinned.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
Both King Tyre and the cherub, who both sinned with pride, are going to hell to perish forever
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee. {of him that slayeth: or, of him that woundeth} King Tyre is a human, and God is above Him; just as the cherub who sinned is a creature and GOD above him.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
The lowest words against humans are spoken, just as God promises to also destroy the cherub that sinned
Now see the parallels in this poetry passage about two kings, one is human, the other claimed to be king over sin. One has riches, the other also riches Both are leaders. Both are destroyed because of their sinning.
Now you Dave try to argue why you ignore the parallel poetry and the verses that speak of each kind of creature differently.
D"WHAT – all pagan gods, demons, evil spirits, of the entire globe are these archon You know this is what I say R" Well well well. When I said we have a great controversy over two different elohiym powers, you mock me, now you wish to agree with me. The only problem you have is the origin of these elohiym power gods, and their chief god, where did they come from originally. Again you need to go through every discussion I wrote in Ezekiel 28.
D"The Beast of Revelation appeared in a plurality – you satan is one angel
The Beast of Revelation was never God’s most cherished creature – it simply just appeared
R" That is not what Ezekiel 28 says...
D"Precept upon precept, line upon line the Reality of the Archon is simply Reality R" Not a single torah text explaining the origin of your archons Dave... your Gen 6 thing is your invention.
RP"Jesus was NEVER meant to DIE on a CROSS. D" So you deny scripture R" you do, Jesus was meant to be an olah scarifice on an altar inside the temple of GOD.
Where is your discussion that Scripture says Jesus was to die upon a cross? Maybe that fate was prophecy because sinful man and cherubs that sin had other ideas. Show me your verses of proof?
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
How sad the human race lost their Saviour
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Instead the humans despised the Saviour who died for their sins.
Isa 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Yet was this the way Jesus waas to die, no, but God sees all the future of all things.
Ge 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
This was the true way the Saviour was to die, olah, voluntary offering on an altar on a mountain where the temple would be built later.
Did Jesus die this way? No, sadly the humans rejected their Saviour.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
The humans will look to the Father after they pierced His Son, His one and only Son, and seek salvation. -----------------------------------------
Professor Walter Veith shows us via video, pictures and texts from both sides, both the Catholics and the Muslims, that they are on the same side. Not as enemies as you claim? Do you understand the origin of Muslim is from Catholics? The Catholics use the Muslims as an army. Currently as you say many Muslims are converting to Christian faith, which faith I wonder? God's true faith, or the Catholic faith? I do not wish to disparage Muslims as a people or Catholics as a people, and seeing you do not like Veith videos, this subject is best closed. --------------------------------------------
D"6- the timing of this revelation is also interesting – 1945, 1945, 1947, 1948, 1952, + Walid Shoebat and this new Islamic Christian revival + Trumps Abrahamic Accords + China’s new deal for oil with Iran + America’s withdrawal from the Middle East + demographic winter + global warming even and the coming mass food shortages + the global financial struggle / free trade
TOO MUCH TO IGNORE R" Yes interesting things you write Dave. I am happy to receive your views on the end of time things, current events and the rise of Israel in this struggle. When God returns He says "Will I find faith upon the earth"?
This is what we should be experimenting with, increasing our daily use of powers of faith in Jesus.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 12, 2021 8:14:56 GMT -5
D" The passage is a commentary of Adam and Eve in the Garden R" Absolutely not. Not a single mention of Adam and Eve. Precept upon precept – scripture does not agree with youAll of these verses apply to the cherub in the garden of eden, not King Tyre in the Garden of Eden All of these verses apply to man who was in the garden = do you deny Adam was in the garden?Eze 28:13 The cherub had a massive array of precious things over him YES –man was the most cherish by God14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Adam / man was given the job to tend the garden - was that the angels job?15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. YEP – the story of Adam / man16 One cherub began to sin, from the Government of God, so GOD said God would destroy the cherub H6 אָבַד - A primitive root; properly to wander away, that is lose oneself; by implication to perish (causatively, destroy):YEP – Gen 2:17, Rom 6:23, Rom 3:10, Psa 14:327 Bible verses about All Have Sinnedbible.knowing-jesus.com › topics › All-Have-Sin... “When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin) and You are angry with them and deliver them to an enemy, so that they take them away ... 17 The cherub grew in pride because he saw himself beautiful and so GOD cast the cherub down before other kings (other princes of other worlds) So you deny the “Fall of man”?18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. The cherub begins to sin more and more, causing other cherubims to sin with him, Just where dose this verse say what you say?19 In order for SIN and SINNING to never appear again, GOD makes a plan (already knew His plan) so the SIN problem shall never be anymore. YES – it was/is always God’s Plan / God’s Will – from the beginning – before the foundations of the world were even laid The great contraversary theme is here, and repeated again in Revelation 12.Revelation 12 – says none of this – it says the beast just appeared in a plurality during creationYou deny the Beast just appeared during creation – you say it was long after Gen 1:2 You deny the Beast just appeared as is – you claim the Beast of Revelation was God’s best and closest friend You also infer that God tolerated the sin for a while before doing something about it – you say it took a multitude of sins to force Gods to respondGen 2:17, Gen 3:6, - no multitude of sins first – only ONE – Rom 5:12Why do you teach that God does not mean what He says – one sin is all it took – not your multitudeNow see the parallels in this poetry passage about two kings,One has riches, the other also riches – YES you teach that your satan is rich and strongBoth are leaders. – Yes – you teach that your satan rules all men everywhere G2525 Καθίστημι - D"WHAT – all pagan gods, demons, evil spirits, of the entire globe are these archon You know this is what I say R" Well well well. When I said we have a great controversy over two different elohiym powers, you mock me, now you wish to agree with me.Your word game fails – the Contest is man vrs World and Man vrs satan’s seed Why do you deny scriptureYou claim that your satan cannot have seed – no Gen 6 for you Why doesn’t your theology blend together The only problem you have is the origin of these elohiym power gods, and their chief god, where did they come from originally. Why do you deny scripture in favor of your doctrine?Origin = Rev 12:3 the Beast and his plurality just appeared during creation Job 26:13 By His Spirit the heavens He beautified, Formed hath His hand the fleeing serpent. D" Oops! the HS made the serpent - it was the hand of GodR" Job 26:13 By his spirit <ruwach> he hath garnished <shiphrah> the heavens <shamayim>; his hand <yad> hath formed <chuwl> the crooked <bariyach> serpent <nachash>.
Last time I checked using all the verses to define "chuwl" Dave, it means to "bring forth" in the way a "baby is brought forth from its womb". Jeff Benner translates as "twist" as in twisting with joy during delivery of baby.Rev 12:2 She is pregnant—crying out in birth pains, in agony to give birth. Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. So I get the impression the sinning serpent came forth. Was not made or created by God to be sinful or sinning, but came forth as a sinning agent.YES – came forth as the BEAST of Revelation – Not perfect in all his ways Ezk 28Why do you deny Rev chapter 12? D"The Beast of Revelation appeared in a plurality – your satan is one angel The Beast of Revelation was never God’s most cherished creature – it simply just appearedAbsolutely Correct – I am glad you are catching onRP"Jesus was NEVER meant to DIE on a CROSS. D" So you deny scripture R" you do, Jesus was meant to be an olah scarifice on an altar inside the temple of GOD.
Where is your discussion that Scripture says Jesus was to die upon a cross? Maybe that fate was prophecy because sinful man and cherubs that sin had other ideas. Show me your verses of proof?Biblical Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus - CBN Newshttps://www1.cbn.com › biblestudy › biblical-prophecie... The Old Testament is the part of the Bible written before Jesus was born. ... 300 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled through His life, death and resurrection.It is obvious you do not know your scripture It is also obvious you have zero disconfort missrepresenting scripture to others Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. How sad the human race lost their SaviourThere is your anti-Christian satan worship Because Jesus Christ gave His life – all mankind GAINED access to salvation----------------------------------------- Professor Walter Veith shows us via video, pictures and texts from both sides, both the Catholics and the Muslims, that they are on the same side. Not as enemies as you claim? OK – we should be on common ground hereWHO IS THE RELIGIOUS THOUGHT POLICE --- wait for it --- ROMEQuestion - Who does not teach Allah and Islam as the enemy? Answer – White Western Roman Christendom Do you ever get tired of misrepresenting others seeing you do not like Veith videos, this subject is best closed.Do you ever get tired of misrepresenting othersI told you to post them – there is one I found very interesting – but you refuse to present data – just attitude seeing you do not like Veith videos, this subject is best closed.You are just afraid to post them because you know you cannot defend his words-------------------------------------------- R" Yes interesting things you write Dave. I find it so fascination=ng that you or the SDA will not take a stand on the identity of Allah – or the satanas – or the archon – our real struggleIs it your goal to hide the reality of our Christian walk with your neighbors Or do you thing Jer 1:5 means to support satan as a god Is this how you support Jesus Christ – by worshiping satan as a god? Your comments here are extremely consistentYou absolutely deny the concept of One True God You absolutely deny the concept of God incarnate And you absolutely deny the salvation of the soul – because man has no soul – we are just biology You teach – it is a sin – to accept the idea that man has a soul – NO SPIRIT and no such thing as SPIRITUAL – only physical world and biology for you This video series makes the point - that Rome never conquored Nebacanezer's kingdomTherefore - Rome cannot be the anti-Christ as you teach I looked and looked - I could not find your indepth discussion of the topic or the question your only responce to this - as with all discussions - satan satan and more satanShow me your data - when did your Roman Empire ever conquor Nebacanezer's kingdomAND - if the final kingdom is - yet to comeHow can it be Roman Catlocism or the Roman EmpireRev 17:10 five have fallen, one is,the other has not yet come ; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. the other has not yet come and will last a little whileRome lasted for almost 1000 years - past - over and done / finished Roman Catholicism has lasted 2000 years - past - still alive - long time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 15:35:09 GMT -5
Do you have any other humans who think as you do on Ezekiel 28, that the whole story is about man, especially Adam? readthehardparts.com/king-of-tyre-ezekiel-28/#:~:text=So%20the%20King%20of%20Tyre%20in%20Ezekiel%2028,from%20the%20mountain%20of%20God%20to%20the%20earth. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jewish+ezekiel+28+king+of+tyre+cherub&docid=608045392228869676&mid=6C8B4BB14ECCC0DCFD036C8B4BB14ECCC0DCFD03&view=detail&FORM=VIRESO much confusion out there DO you have a video that explains your view correctly? Wow, is Scripture that difficult to read, that thousands of people have different opinions. I discuss this with my friends at work. It seems there is no point to discussing Scripture, if we can't even agree on the use of Pronouns, and the object of the noun in a sentence. One is supposed to have the HS as our tutor who leads us to read Scripture correctly. So this supposes a lot of people do not have the HS talking and leading them correctly. Let's try your tactic Dave, I showed you many verses speaking of a cherub that sinned, which you ignore, and say that is Adam instead. OK we know the serpent deceived Adam and Eve, where is the passage that describes who the serpent is, where the serpent came from and why is the serpent here in Scripture. I want a passage, a pile of verses in one passage, not a few here and there, surely GOD is going to describe to Moses who the serpent was and his origin? There is absolutely nothing about your archons and your chief archon becoming satanas, your view is just as vague as you dismiss my Ezekiel 28 passage. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 12, 2021 16:34:46 GMT -5
Do you have any other humans who think as you do on Ezekiel 28, that the whole story is about man, especially Adam?Sorry – all I have is 5000yrs of Jewish Commentary – but your Walter Veith has taught you the Jewish Commentary says Jesus was the satan – no reference given, just the attitudeDO you have a video that explains your view correctly? Wow, is Scripture that difficult to read, that thousands of people have different opinions. Ponder this – YES there are more than one type of Jew – but there is only one Judaism It has always been that way for 5000 years to this very day standing on the Temple ground in Jerusalem Ponder this – Roman Catholicism spawned how many different fractions and dilutions and pollutions of the faith?I discuss this with my friends at work.And I am confident – it only makes Christianity weak and empty and confused to them Sure is not a confidence builder is it?It seems there is no point to discussing Scripture,YES – give up – that faith held with strong convictionsIt is the legacy of Roman Christendomif we can't even agree on the use of Pronouns, and the object of the noun in a sentence.You do not embrace grammar, syntax, context, spelling, or even origin of words You speak of Hebrew scripture – yet you spend all your day playing English word games You are the one that is outside of the mainstream One is supposed to have the HS as our tutor who leads us to read Scripture correctly.YOU DENY THE SPIRIT! – you deny the spiritual – the internet is filled with testimonials of people who have seen – felt touched – given visions – and you mock it all with a vengeance1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore. 1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. 1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings. 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. IS NOT A CALL TO BE IGNORANT OR DENY THE SPIRITSo this supposes a lot of people do not have the HS talking and leading them correctly.BOOM – many are called – few are chosen – First Fruits So this supposes a lot of people do not have the HS talking and leading OTHERS correctly FROM A PULPIT!BOOM – many are called – few are chosen –false teachers – false prophets Let's try your tactic Dave, I showed you many verses speaking of a cherub that sinned, No you have the word cherub in one verse and the word sinning in anotherwhich you ignore, and say that is Adam instead.I ignore it and so does the entire history of Judaism – Jesus was a Jew – the disciples were Jewish Why do you teach they did not have a Jewish theology OK we know the serpent deceived Adam and Eve, where is the passage that describes who the serpent is, where the serpent came from and why is the serpent here in Scripture.Book of Revelation chapters 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20I want a passage, a pile of verses in one passage, not a few here and there, surely GOD is going to describe to Moses who the serpent was and his origin? No way of knowing what God discussed with MosesAll we know is that Moses did not record the origin of the BeastWHY – in the ahl the focus was upon the world stage – The Parade of the Jews was their Jer 1:5 to the entire world – Israel’s strength was their Jer 1:5 to the entire world – Israel’s weakness was also their Jer 1:5 to the entire World – all in prep for the Cross and Resurrection Was the personal story also in the ahl – YES – of course – many examples Elisha and his servant But - the ahl the focus was upon the world stage – nation vrs nation for all the world to see Jesus Christ came for YOU – the agl is about YOUR personal relationshipScripture is no longer talking about nation vrs nation on the global scale It is speak TO YOU Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. (you preach be ignorant)Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (you spent 6 months denying this passage)Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, the sword of the Spirit, Praying always in the Spirit, that utterance may be givenOne is supposed to have the HS as our tutor who leads us to read Scripture correctly.YOU DENY THE SPIRIT! – you deny the spiritual – the internet is filled with testimonials of people who have seen – felt touched – given visions – and you mock it all with a vengeance
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 14:08:35 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" Ponder this – Roman Catholicism spawned how many different fractions and dilutions and pollutions of the faith?R" Hmm? I thought Satan does this making of making religions to confuse us? Notice this cames from my Messanic Jews just today, and they speak of Satan, how strange is that? I quote" While we work on accepting others as Yeshua does, we must also work on accepting ourselves as our Father in Heaven has already done. Too often we consider the rejection from others, especially from those in our spiritual community, to be a rejection by God Himself. That belief kills our fruitfulness on earth, which Satan is rallying for.
To replace this false destiny of Satan with the destiny God has for us, we must recognize that God is looking for those who are pure of heart and zealous toward Him, as He did with King David. End quote" How come this Messanic Jewish faith has Satan in it, the same Satan I understand causing all the evil on earth? His other humans and other sinning angels, too I mean. D" You do not embrace grammar, syntax, context, spelling, or even origin of words You speak of Hebrew scripture – yet you spend all your day playing English word games You are the one that is outside of the mainstreamR" And you Dave, not not understand the use of a pronoun, and the object of a sentence. You say Adam is King Tyre Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, I am ADAM, I am a God, I sit in the seat of GodExcuse me, but Adam never said all this. Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches: Adam never achieved riches, he was just in the garden for 33 years, trading with nobody except Adam and his wife and talking avery Sabbath to God. Excuse me, but Adam never did all this. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Sure Adam was in the Garden.... so was the serpent, (the cherub that sinned) so was Eve and so was GOD. Maybe some other cherubims of God, the good angels?? Eze 28:13 ...every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Now things are very different, since when was Adam covered in such glory and riches in the day Adam was created? Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Now this creature that was created is term an anointed cherub, walking among the fire stones of heaven. Prove to me Adam was mimshach,? Prove to me Adam walked among the fire stones of heaven? Let's look up a related word H4886 66 verses Nu 3:3 These are the names of the sons of Aaron, the priests which were anointed, No mention of Adam anointed? Jg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us The humans wanted to anoint a king over them Using a different Hebrew word "Ps 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. {set: Heb. anointed}" Jesus is also anointed as a King Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy Here Jesus is formally anointed as King in the Most Holy Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Notice this archon is anointed as king over the earth, the same saraph being upon the pole in Numbers who was a symbol of the firey snakes, the same serpent being who is termed the OPPOSER, who is king over the humans. Jesus is also a saraph a burning , and also anointed as a king, but unlike Satan, Jesus is divine, not a creature, but came clothed in humanity to come down to the level of a creature, to meet the mischief maker face to face and die for mischief, so the mischief maker dies instead for the sins of mischief. This exchange is practices in the scape goat, where the goat, a synbol of the devil, is led out into the wilderness to die. Not a single verse saying Adam was anointed as a king. Only Satan claims to be a king of earth, after removing the crown from Adam after Adam sinned. D" YOU DENY THE SPIRIT! – you deny the spiritual – the internet is filled with testimonials of people who have seen – felt touched – given visions – and you mock it all with a vengeanceR" I do not mock those who have testimonies of the HS, only that we test their testimonies against the fruits of their character. For evil mediums also claim testimonies and miracles. But only GOD is good and all loving. Hence the fruit of salvation is a person who becomes sinless and always loving. I note you quote many good verses of the HS 1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Here is a verse that raises the bar of the gifts from the HS with Jesus, we become as sinless as Jesus is. 1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Notice the fight and the war, is a good fight of faith in Jesus. D" No you have the word cherub in one verse and the word sinning in anotherR" OH so the cherub never sinned hey? Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Explain to me how this is not in the same verse. Hebrew does not have fall stops. Must you really reject the Scripture themes and even reject the Messanic Jewish messages" I quote " That belief kills our fruitfulness on earth, which Satan is rallying for. To replace this false destiny of Satan with the destiny God has for us, .." How strange the Messanic Jews write of the Satan you reject. D" I ignore it and so does the entire history of Judaism R" The Messanic Jews write here something different to your view, why is that I wonder? D" Book of Revelation chapters 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20R" That's a really good discussion of the view of Dave isn't it? Have you no defense of your view? D" All we know is that Moses did not record the origin of the BeastR" Really? Ex 4:3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. 4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: The serpent is some power GOD has control over even though this serpent does evil and looks a terror. Nu 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. 7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent (SARAPH), and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. What is written by Moses about the origin of the serpent, is God said the serpent was orginally a SARAPH The word comes in two forms, the verb 8313 burning and 8314 the burning-one. Isa 6:2 Some say the burning ones near God come with 6 wings is thus different to cherubs who have 4 wings? Hmm? Isa 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent. This verse equates the burning ones as the serpent in the Garden of Eden, The 107 verses of the verb form all seem to have burning in the fire. Can one have burning without matter? Eze 1:4 ¶ And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. {infolding...: Heb. catching itself} 5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. Here is a cherub image of burning in a fold of itself that looked like a man? De 32:11 As an eagle <nesher> stirreth up <`uwr> her nest <qen>, fluttereth <rachaph> over her young <gowzal>, spreadeth abroad <paras> her wings <kanaph>, taketh <laqach> them, beareth <nasa'> them on her wings <'ebrah>: kanaph cannot mean wings, as we also have ebrah meaning wings? kanaph must mean "coverings" that can include "a man covering", a birds covering (wings), etc. Must study this better another day... D" Jesus Christ came for YOU R" yes, nice thought D" (you spent 6 months denying this passage) Eph 6:12R" I do not deny it, only the origin of the archons (rulers) mentioned here. Jesus called the chief a king or ruler over earth, Jesus came to destroy as king over earth. D" YOU DENY THE SPIRIT! – you deny the spiritual – the internet is filled with testimonials of people who have seen – felt touched – given visions – and you mock it all with a vengeanceR" Ps 143:10 Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness. Mt 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? What's the difference between a grape and a thorn? One has RA the other doesn't. If ye dwell in GOD, no RA dwells with you for GOD is not RA, but LOVE. Pr 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way Therefore GOD must also be the same as He expects of us. God does not dwell with RA, not even natural RA, a term only the Gnostics invent. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 13, 2021 16:00:45 GMT -5
D"Ponder this – Roman Catholicism spawned how many different fractions and dilutions and pollutions of the faith? R" Hmm? I thought Satan does this making of making religions to confuse us?
Absolutely Agree = 100% - I have been telling you this from the beginning 1- YHWY gave the ahl to the 1% to prepare the world for Christ 2- Christ came and gave us the Gospel and opened to door of salvation to everyone 3- After the dysphoria – that Gospel message was written down and commentaries written 4- Christianity teaches – to be spirit filled and spirit led – God as your one and only King 5- For State sponsored population control Rome usurped Roman Christianity as a population control tool 6- First Century Messianic Christianity had to be eliminated and replaced with Rome-Centric – church centric – priest centric religion
How does any STATE ENTITY rally the people around a common cause – a common enemy Rome INVENTED YOUR HEBREW SATAN to scare people into church Rome INVENTED YOUR HEBREW SATAN to have total control over the people – all the church has to do is brand you as a demon or a witch and they just burn you at the stake
If you suggest that the world is made up of tiny packets of matter – and that the star might be sun with other planets around them – they just burn you at the stake – Giordon Gorvelli 1600
Pope Leo XIII to King Phillip of France – crusade or the Pope will excommunicate all Frenchmen from the church damming them all to hell – who is the strongest power in the kingdom?
R" Hmm? I thought Satan does this making of making religions to confuse us? It was Rome that invented the Index It was Rome that took on the authority of thought police It was Rome that edited all the literature - for 400 years - both before and after Christ And all the fracturing, diluting, and polluting is an attempt to distance themselves from Rome
But you say only Rome literature is approved of by God - And only Roman doctrine is correct
How come this Messanic Jewish faith has Satan in it, the same Satan I understand causing all the evil on earth? His other humans and other sinning angels messengers archon, too I mean. DUH Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of the Beast of Revelation Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of the serpent race Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of devils – or satanas
Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
Adam never achieved riches, he was just in the garden for 33 years, trading with nobody except Adam and his wife and talking avery Sabbath to God.
33 years – well that very scriptural – which Torah verse is this And again – you only measure riches as worldly things
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Sure Adam was in the Garden.... And it was in full view of all the host of heaven – so all men were in the garden or at least saw what was going on
so was the serpent, (the cherub that sinned) The serpent in the garden is a biological creature – it is an entire race of creatures - as is the Beast of Revelation, the devils, and satanas Biological creatures that have seed – Gen 3:15 – Gen 6 You cherub is an angel – not of biology – no seed – no offspring
so was Eve and so was GOD. Maybe some other cherubims of God, the good angels?? And it was in full view of all the host of heaven – so all men were in the garden or at least saw what was going on
Eze 28:13 - Now things are very different, since when was Adam covered in such glory and riches in the day Adam was created? When we walked in heaven with God – Gen 2:1 When was the Beast ever covered in such glory - NEVER
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. YES – man was given dominion over creation – to guard / protect / and care for When was the Beast ever given creation – to guard / protect / and care for
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Notice this archon is anointed as king over the earth, the same saraph being upon the pole in Numbers who was a symbol of the firey snakes, the same serpent being who is termed the OPPOSER, who is king over the humans. DUH Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of the Beast of Revelation Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of the serpent race Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of devils – or satanas
Only Roman Christendom is in denial of the 'other gods' of the 99% Only Roman Christendom tries to change world history into ancient mythology Only Roman Christendom refuses to address islam head on - and you refuse acknowledge the reality of Allah Only Roman Chrisendom has taught you to be afraid of information - attack the source - and your measusrs of standard is Roman Christendom
"YOU DENY THE SPIRIT! –R" I do not mock those who have testimonies of the HS, only that we test their testimonies against the fruits of their character. For evil mediums also claim testimonies and miracles. But only GOD is good and all loving. Hence the fruit of salvation is a person who becomes sinless and always loving.
Ok so again explain to me why you consider Jenny Weaver or testimonies of being Born Again ERROR You said – discouraged from watching all you heard was about witches and some vudo so its all bad And those fakers spoke in tongues
D"No you have the word cherub in one verse and the word sinning in another R" OH so the cherub never sinned hey? This is what I will say – this is what I’ll always say Your Roman satan god is nor validated by the bulk of scripture Precept upon precept, line upon line – your idea of God’s angels changing allegiances is an abomination Precept upon precept, line upon line – you have failed to answer why your opposer obeies God? Precept upon precept, line upon line – you have failed to answer why it is a sin to obey God
Precept upon precept, line upon line – scripture does validate the Beast of Revelation – a serpent race – of biological creatures – called devils and satanas
D"I ignore it and so does the entire history of Judaism R" The Messanic Jews write here something different to your view, why is that I wonder? STOP YOUR BULL SHIT – provide a pre-Rome validation for your satan god - Precept upon precept, line upon line – your idea of God’s angels changing allegiances is an abomination Precept upon precept, line upon line – you have failed to answer why your opposer obeies God? Precept upon precept, line upon line – you have failed to answer why it is a sin to obey God
D"All we know is that Moses did not record the origin of the Beast R" Really? The serpent is some power GOD has control over even though this serpent does evil and looks a terror. Agreed – 100% - God is absolute - is this a proof of origin?
Nu 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Agreed – 100% - God is absolute - is this a proof of origin?
kanaph must mean "coverings" that can include "a man covering", a birds covering (wings), etc. Must study this better another day... You are just getting lost ion you English word games D"All we know is that Moses did not record the origin of the Beast R" Really? The serpent is some power GOD has control over even though this serpent does evil and looks a terror. Agreed – 100% - God is absolute - is this a proof of origin?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 14:00:51 GMT -5
RP"How come this Messanic Jewish faith has Satan in it, the same Satan I understand causing all the evil on earth? His other humans and other sinning angels messengers archon, too I mean. D" DUH Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of the Beast of Revelation Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of the serpent race Absolutely no one ever denied the reality of devils – or satanas R" so the Messanic Jewish message was referring to not a Satan I understand? Beast, serpent race, satanas
a different meaning altogether? Hmm? that is deceiving readers isn't it? They do not write such words,
so maybe you are the one introducing ideas they didn't write?
D"The serpent in the garden is a biological creature You cherub is an angel – not of biology – R" Prove to me the cherub are NOT biological? they are created, they eat food, they can die the second death. they have what seems a man's hand.
D"your idea of God’s angels changing allegiances is an abomination R" your idea that angels do not have free will is also an abomination
D"you have failed to answer why your opposer obeys God? R" even in a friendly tennis match the Opposers are respectful to each other.
Since GOD is the administrator of all living, even the Opposer who destroys, has to have respect for GOD, otherwise GOD could remove His living in an instant.
D"the Beast of Revelation – a serpent race – of biological creatures – called devils and satanas R" you twist Scripture to include only the biological creatures associated by sex to humans are the true Opposers of God. So all other creatures in heaven are not biological, such as the messengers, the cherubims? Proof please. ------------------------
What is written by Moses about the origin of the serpent, is God said the serpent was orginally a SARAPH The word comes in two forms, the verb 8313 burning and 8314 the burning-one. Isa 6:2 Some say the burning ones near God come with 6 wings is thus different to cherubs who have 4 wings? Hmm?
R" you missed these entries of mine. Why do Jews make saraph into another creatures in heaven, when the term means burning ones? Do in fact cherubims have 4 coverings or 6 covering like the burning ones?
D"Agreed – 100% - God is absolute - is this a proof of origin? R" I suppose the origin of the Opposer, the serpent in the garden, is a SARAPH, a burning one, who is also a cherub, the same cherub in Ezekiel. The burning ones have 6 coverings, two over the face, two over the body and two for flying around.
Ezekiel sees a different angel perhaps of the burning ones, with four faces and four coverings?
Eze 1:6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. Eze 1:9 Their wings were joined one to another;
So perhaps at different angels the coverings look like 6 rather than 4? or Eze 1:20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go,
If the cherub have 4 coverings and the spirit has 2 coverings, than adding the ruwach with the cherub, makes 6 coverings? I see that cherub as the same creature as the burning ones of fire. This makes Satan, the Opposer, a cherub, and once a SARAPH, who was symbolized on the pole as a serpent. Now you have to prove to me that the cherub, or the messengers are not biological creatures.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 14, 2021 15:02:45 GMT -5
R" so the Messanic Jewish message was referring to not a Satan I understand? Beast, serpent race, satanas a different meaning altogether? Hmm? that is deceiving readers isn't it? They do not write such words, so maybe you are the one introducing ideas they didn't write? THE ONLY DECEPTION is the Roman doctrine that creatures created by God can change their form, function, or purpose – there is ZERO EVOLUTIONThe Asbury Journal 71/1: 83-108© 2016 Asbury eological SeminaryDOI: 10.7252/Journal.01.2016S.08Benjamin J. Snyder From Jerusalem to Jerusalem: Essential Contours of the Modern Messianic Movement
Who are Messianic Jews? Hebrew Christian An older term emphasizing ethnicity. Jewish Christian Neutral: emphasizes ethnicity, but is typically associated with Western notions of Christian identity; sometimes used by scholars to refer to Jewish believers between the 1st - 4th centuries CEChristian: similar to Jewish Christian but not used by scholars. – No Roman doctrine added - Roman centric literature unemployedChristian - not used by scholars.”Biblical Jew Negative: indicates that one reads and follows the Old and New Testaments but implies rejection of Rabbinic traditions which some believing Jews do not do. Jew for Jesus Confusing: it derives from a ministry by this name that was founded in 1970Messianic Jew Refers to “Jews who follow Jesus and maintain a loyalty to their Jewish Heritage – No Roman doctrine addedHow do they Worship = Jewish manner of expression including Jewish feasts, kosher, and Sabbath Scriptures & Beliefs = Reinterpreted in light of Yeshua, rabbinic teaching viewed as authoritative – No Roman doctrine addedSo all other creatures in heaven are not biological, such as the messengers, the cherubims? Proof please. NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE – GOD, CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, or the angels are 3D biologyThe video series of this discussion makes the point - that Rome never conquored Nebacanezer's kingdomTherefore - Rome cannot be the anti-Christ as you teach I looked and looked - I could not find your indepth discussion of the topic or the question your only responce to this - as with all discussions - satan satan and more satanShow me your data - when did your Roman Empire ever conquor Nebacanezer's kingdomAND - if the final kingdom is - yet to comeHow can it be Roman Catlocism or the Roman EmpireRev 17:10 five have fallen, one is,the other has not yet come ; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. the other has not yet come and will last a little whileRome lasted for almost 1000 years - past - over and done / finished Roman Catholicism has lasted 2000 years - past - still alive - long time
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