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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 14:19:18 GMT -5
D"THE ONLY DECEPTION is the Roman doctrine that creatures created by God can change their form, function, or purpose – there is ZERO EVOLUTION R" When the canine dog eats, walks and functions, it is still canine, the little doggie and the bigger doggie are still dogs, so the wolf and the Terror are still dogs.
Explain to me Dave how you need a wolf, and hundreds of species of dogs, when all canine kinds are the same in functions? Why can't the canine kind make small changes to it's DNA, like size, hair, head shape etc. Yes it's zero evolution, but I am talking about changes GOD wrote into the canine kind before it was created.
D"Messianic Jew Refers to “Jews who follow Jesus and maintain a loyalty to their Jewish Heritage – No Roman doctrine added R" so you're saying the Jew is totally a torah supporter of GOD (and if you assume my view for a little while) there is NO SATAN causing the Jews to NOT invent spurious ideas God would disprove of? Come on Dave, get real? Why did God call the Jews stiff necks? Why was Israel wandering after the world? Where is the true torah messages the Jews were supposed to follow?
OK, so no Roman edit, but certainly a Satan edit. Who do you think edits the Bible all along? Not Rome, but Satan does. This is my view. Explain to me why Israel was captured by Babylon? A Roman influence? no, but the Devil comes to tempt Jews to sin. No this can't be right, your satan is only a prosecutor, and a prosecutor never tempts you to sin, only prosecute your sins. Come on Dave. Explain your view.
I have a Satan edit of God's world from the beginning. Doesn't Scripture say this? The Devil was a liar from the beginning?
D"Scriptures & Beliefs = Reinterpreted in light of Yeshua, rabbinic teaching viewed as authoritative – No Roman doctrine added R" What? and no Satanic edit is found in the Rabbinic teachings? How can we be sure? I offer no disrespect to the Jews, but how can we be sure?
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Test the teachings against the torah of Moses first.
D"The video series of this discussion makes the point - that Rome never conquored Nebacanezer's kingdom R" Who says Rome had to ?
D"the other has not yet come and will last a little while Rome lasted for almost 1000 years - past - over and done / finished Roman Catholicism has lasted 2000 years - past - still alive - long time R" What are you presenting here Dave? Another subject? The first power that opposed GOD is not Roman, it is Babylonian, Scripture calls it Babylon, under Nimrod. All other Satan kingdoms stem from this one, including Rome and the Catholic reign. Babylon means confusion, and Dave you ponder confusion. The Rome edit is really a Babylonian edit, which comes from Satan, who spoils God's plans, and has always spoiled God's plans. SIN is a problem God is resolving and SIN will never happen again, a second time.
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Post by Dave on Dec 15, 2021 15:12:46 GMT -5
D"THE ONLY DECEPTION is the Roman doctrine that creatures created by God can change their form, function, or purpose – there is ZERO EVOLUTION Why can't the canine kind make small changes to it's DNA, like size, hair, head shape etc. YES – there is variation in phenotype – has nothing to do with evolution
Yes it's zero evolution, but I am talking about changes GOD wrote into the canine kind before it was created. What is theistic evolution quizlet? Theistic Evolution - by definition God used evolution to create. Young Earth. You can disguise your vocabulary all you want – you teach that creatures are able to change their designed form and function and change their role within creation
Creation = God said – and a thing appeared – all finished on Day 6
Theistic evolution is still just evolution – whether you say it happened before the flood or after the flood on Day 7
D"Messianic Jew Refers to “Jews who follow Jesus and maintain a loyalty to their Jewish Heritage – No Roman doctrine added R" so you're saying the Jew is totally a torah supporter of GOD (and if you assume my view for a little while) there is NO SATAN causing the Jews to NOT invent spurious ideas God would disprove of?
It would really help your understanding if you read the ahl – the personal story is always their – shedim – Lillith – satyrs – other gods by name It is error to think all of these stories from the ahl are myth Oh CONTRAR – all of these stories are 100% Rev 12 right before your eyes
Come on Dave, get real? Why did God call the Jews stiff necks? Why was Israel wandering after the world? Where is the true torah messages the Jews were supposed to follow?
Mat 22:35 And testing Him, one of them, a lawyer, asked, Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Torah?” Mat 22:37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
For 5000 years man has been unable to stop Jewish belief – your additional disrespect means nadda
OK, so no Roman edit, but certainly a Satan edit. Before Gnostic John wrote the Book of Revelation – the identity of the Beast was not recorded OK, so absolute Roman edit, with certainly a Satan addition and rewrite of everything Jewish
Who do you think edits the Bible all along? Not Rome, but Satan does. I agree – but the error of your statement is that the Jews did not edit the agl – Rome did How can you say Rome is a Jesuit Satanic Cult and then praise everything they stand for?
This is my view. Explain to me why Israel was captured by Babylon? God’s Plan and God’s Will – no one else is in charge
A Roman influence? no, but the Devil comes to tempt Jews to sin. No this can't be right, your satan is only a prosecutor, and a prosecutor never tempts you to sin, only prosecute your sins. Come on Dave. Explain your view. You are absolutely correct – Hebrew satan is the heavenly prosecutor The Beast of Revelation is the serpent race that are the other gods of the ahl Why do you work so hard to hide the Reality of the Archon?
D"Scriptures & Beliefs = Reinterpreted in light of Yeshua, rabbinic teaching viewed as authoritative – No Roman doctrine added R" What? and no Satanic edit is found in the Rabbinic teachings? How can we be sure? I offer no disrespect to the Jews, but how can we be sure? Please show me a Hasidic Jewish teaching that deny the One True God – that denies the spiritual reality – that denies in the salvation of the soul – that denies the goal is a personal relationship with the father. How dare you doubt that Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, or Jeremiah are men of God How dare you doubt that James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas were not men of God
D"The video series of this discussion makes the point - that Rome never conquored Nebacanezer's kingdom R" Who says Rome had to ? Don’t you and Walter Veitch teach that Rome is the anti-Christ? So confusing – you present theology then deny it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 14:04:49 GMT -5
D"Theistic Evolution - by definition God used evolution to create. R" I do not support evolution, you know that?
God creating the ability for a kind to show variation, is not evolution Dave. Evolution is defined as DNA information that arises naturally, without a Designer.
D"Theistic evolution is still just evolution – whether you say it happened before the flood or after the flood on Day 7 R" Are we playing word games here? DO you have a link of a person who defines this term you speak of?
D"It is error to think all of these stories from the ahl are myth R" I didn't say they were myth, only that the shedim origin is not told or mentioned much in the OT
D"Before Gnostic John wrote the Book of Revelation – the identity of the Beast was not recorded R" first John is not Gnostic, nor did he was he the first to define the Beast.
Re 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
He was perhaps the first to summarize the stories of the serpent into one label.
Moses wrote of the serpent long before John did.
RP"Who do you think edits the Bible all along? Not Rome, but Satan does. D" I agree – but the error of your statement is that the Jews did not edit the agl – Rome did R" How can you agree, you have no Satan in your view, only a good angel doing the job of a prosecutor... which is a conflict of interest to change Bible scripture? D"but the error of your statement is that the Jews did not edit the agl – Rome did R" What? What are you saying Dave? say this in different words...
RP" A Roman influence? no, but the Devil comes to tempt Jews to sin. No this can't be right, your satan is only a prosecutor, and a prosecutor never tempts you to sin, only prosecute your sins. Come on Dave. Explain your view. D" You are absolutely correct – Hebrew satan is the heavenly prosecutor R" you did not explain or answer my question?
Why did the Jews go to Babylon, who made them go off track? Please explain.... not the Roman influence, has to be the Satan influence... oh maybe it was your archon influence? Please explain and show me the OT texts.
1Ch 21:1 ¶ And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel
Doesn't mention archon does it? It says an OPPOSER stood up to provoke Israel.
Can the archons also oppose humans and thus oppose God? Maybe, than you view is the same as my view. So explain Dave.
Ps 109:6 ¶ Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
When a power being is at your right hand, your actions come from that power being. Who is this Opposer? The same serpent power who tempted Adam to sin. If fact the power being opposes God because it gets humans to sin all the time. This notion opposes salvation where God wants humans to be sinless.
D"The Beast of Revelation is the serpent race R" really?
Explain to me why you oppose evolution and the changes of the DNA, but you have no problem with the changes of the archons having sex with humans? Talk about hypocrite. Explain to me biologically how it is possible for archons or cherubims having sex with humans? First the cherub would have to be biological something you oppose. Second it is a different kind so sex is impossible. Yet while you agree with me, you also think the nephilim race existed. Sure it existed, all the humans before the flood were huge, big people. We are the little midgets.
Before the flood all the humans were large. Any midgets were caused by nutrition deficiencies, mutations or genetic experiments by these advanced people. The people were practicing the amalgamation of man and beast, so yes GMO experiments were being done. The leader behind this abomination was Satan, the Opposer and His angels, all cherubs getting humans to sin more and more. Not as you say Gen 6, and watchers having sex with humans. As for elongated skulls, this might be GMO experiments on human race, by humans.
D"Please show me a Hasidic Jewish teaching that deny the One True God – that denies the spiritual reality – that denies in the salvation of the soul – that denies the goal is a personal relationship with the father. R" Satan can influence Jews in subtle ways Dave, Introduce the eternal spark spirit in man for instance.
D"Don’t you and Walter Veitch teach that Rome is the anti-Christ? R" I thought Babylon is the antiChrist, and this power flowed through all other kingdoms after it, including Rome, and lastly the Roman Catholic church system in our time. So what are you trying to save Dave? I do not follow you.
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Post by Dave on Dec 16, 2021 15:29:02 GMT -5
D"Theistic Evolution - by definition God used evolution to create. R" I do not support evolution, you know that? God creating the ability for a kind to show variation, is not evolution Dave.Correct there are a vast variety of dog is and each one of them is of the same species No dog ever changed into different fox species or a bear species Evolution is defined as DNA information that arises naturally, without a Designer.Correct – without a designer But you say it happens by god’s design = Theistic evolutionD"Theistic evolution is still just evolution – whether you say it happened before the flood or after the flood on Day 7 R" Are we playing word games here? DO you have a link of a person who defines this term you speak of?Your pretend ignorance is showing - buy a dictionary or learn our to do a google search From your primary sourceTheistic Evolution | Answers in Genesishttps://answersingenesis.org › theistic-evolution Theistic evolution is the idea that God started or directed evolutionary processes. This view makes God a bumbling, incompetent Creator and the author of ... What is Theistic Evolution? | Discovery Institutehttps://www.discovery.org › Intelligent Design May 1, 2009 — Theistic evolution is the effort to reconcile Darwin's theory of undirected evolution with belief in God directed evolution … Theistic evolution - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Theistic evolution is a general term comprising views that regard religious teachings about God as compatible with modern scientific understanding about biological evolution. What is theistic evolution quizlet?Theistic Evolution - by definition God used evolution to create. Young Earth. D"It is error to think all of these stories from the ahl are myth R" I didn't say they were myth, only that the shedim origin is not told or mentioned much in the OTIf you know the origin story of the shedim is not within the ahl – why do ask for me to probe it existD"Before Gnostic John wrote the Book of Revelation – the identity of the Beast was not recorded R" first John is not Gnostic, nor did he was he the first to define the Beast.So now you accept that all of his writing are not Gnostic – or are you saying it was not Gnostic John who wrote revelations?He was perhaps the first to summarize the stories of the serpent into one label.And this providea their origin story – why do you deny scripture?Moses wrote of the serpent long before John did.And – how is this an origin story?RP"Who do you think edits the Bible all along? Not Rome, but Satan does. D" I agree – but the error of your statement is that the Jews did not edit the agl – Rome did R" How can you agree, you have no Satan in your view, only a good angel doing the job of a prosecutor... which is a conflict of interest to change Bible scripture? Robert – if you are offering this statement as fact – then you are no longer welcome here lier Why is lying an effect form of witnessing according to the SDA – it is an Islamic teaching
D"but the error of your statement is that the Jews did not edit the agl – Rome did R" What? What are you saying Dave? say this in different words... Prove to me that it was a Jewish conspiracy to corrupt the agl – put up or shut upRP" A Roman influence? no, but the Devil comes to tempt Jews to sin. No this can't be right, your satan is only a prosecutor, and a prosecutor never tempts you to sin, only prosecute your sins. Come on Dave. Explain your view. D" You are absolutely correct – Hebrew satan is the heavenly prosecutor R" you did not explain or answer my question?If you are going to quote me – quote all of itIt would really help your understanding if you read the ahl – the personal story is always their – shedim – Lillith – satyrs – other gods by name It is error to think all of these stories from the ahl are myth Oh CONTRAR – all of these stories are 100% Rev 12 right before your eyes A Roman influence? no, but the Devil comes to tempt Jews to sin. No this can't be right, your satan is only a prosecutor, and a prosecutor never tempts you to sin, only prosecute your sins. Come on Dave. Explain your view.You are absolutely correct – Hebrew satan is the heavenly prosecutorThe Beast of Revelation is the serpent race that are the other gods of the ahlWhy do you work so hard to hide the Reality of the Archon? Why do you think misrepresenting others is fashionable or academically honest Don’t you realize how you just destroy your own credibilityWhen a power being is at your right hand, your actions come from that power being. Who is this Opposer? The same serpent power who tempted Adam to sin. Absolutely Correct – the serpent Rev 12:9 And the great dragon …he ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. D"The Beast of Revelation is the serpent race R" really?Why do you work so hard to deny the reality of the Archon Explain to me why you oppose evolution and the changes of the DNA, www.goshen.edu/bio/Biol410/bsspapers02/alyssa.htmCreationism and the study of evolution has been a controversial debate for decades now, leaving many people on one side or the other. Creationism argues that faith should take precedent over science, basing its beliefs on one book for guidance, the Bible. God created the earth and everything on it, taking six days. According to a great medieval philosopher, Moses Maimonides, “conflicts between science and the Bible arise from either a lack of scientific knowledge or a defective understanding of the Bible”(Schroeder, 3)This is my view – because I believe in creationThis is not what YOU, Don Patton, Walter Veith, CMI, or Ken Hamm and thethe ICR teach – they say KINDS continued evolved into complete and different species after the flood on Day 7but you have no problem with the changes of the archons having sex with humans? Explain to me biologically how it is possible for archons having sex with humans? 1- the archon were created differently than the angels they were made with some matter – some biology 2- They follow – are driven by – motivated by (yester ra) SELF 3- in their invisible form – they could not mate with mortal women of biology 4- only 200 hundred of all the archon are involved with Gen 6 – not all of the archon 5- first they took on – visible flesh forms – now they can (yester ra) SELF in flesh form 6- still the women rejected them – so they even had to become more flesh – deeper into biology 7- Now in flesh form – they can / do commit sins against nature and man 8- what is the sin – the only commandment broken was – ‘reproduce after your own kind’ 9- for their sin – these 200 – and their Gimori are locked away in chains in heaven #4 10- they are held in chains awaiting to be released again upon the earth in Rev 9 11- Only 90% of the 200 and their Nephilim are held in chains (Jubilees 10) 12- 10% of there are still on earth for satan to use 13- these remaining 10% fathered the Rephiem of the ahl 14- these remaining 10% became the evils spirit of our world once they mortally died First the cherub would have to be biological something you oppose. Angels are not made with any physical reality they are ethereal Your denial of the spiritual is obviouseSecond it is a different kind so sex is impossible.And today man is creating human-animal chimeras – so man can do it – but creatures from heaven or even space cannot Your logic is errorYet while you agree with me, you also think the nephilim race existed. Yep – and still exist today Eph 6:12 Why do you deny scriptureD"Please show me a Hasidic Jewish teaching that deny the One True God – that denies the spiritual reality – that denies in the salvation of the soul – that denies the goal is a personal relationship with the father. R" Satan can influence Jews in subtle ways Dave, Introduce the eternal spark spirit in man for instance. So – you are just unable to present fact or data – you just make a insulting remarkD"Don’t you and Walter Veitch teach that Rome is the anti-Christ? So what are you trying to save Dave? I do not follow you.Please represent your teaching on Nebacanezer's DreamPresent some data – present an opinion other than – your wrong Just to say – your wrong – is absolutely meaningless response Do you have an opinion you are will to present and stand by – or do you just avoid and attack others
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 0:42:10 GMT -5
"RP" I do not support evolution, you know that?RP" God creating the ability for a kind to show variation, is not evolution Dave.D" Correct there are a vast variety of dog is and each one of them is of the same species No dog ever changed into different fox species or a bear speciesR" correct. SO why are you saying things against me, when I agree with you? ------- RP" Evolution is defined as DNA information that arises naturally, without a Designer.D" Correct – without a designer But you say it happens by god’s design = Theistic evolutionR" A designer did not design a dog to become a cat or a dinosaur. The designer designed the dog to be a little dog, or a bigger dog or a wild dog dingo or even a wider dog wolf. These are dogs. What is Theistic evolution? A designer designing a dog to become a cat or dinosaur? Theistic evolution Dave? " Theistic evolution is a general term comprising views that regard religious teachings about God as compatible with modern scientific understanding about biological evolution. Theistic evolution is not in itself a scientific theory, but a range of views about how the science of general evolution relates to religious beliefs in contrast to special creation views. Theistic evolutionists accept the scientific consensus on the age of the Earth, the age of the universe, the Big Bang, the origin of the Solar System, the origin of life, and evolution. Supporters of theistic evolution generally attempt to harmonize evolutionary thought with belief in God, rejecting the conflict thesis regarding the relationship between religion and science – they hold that religious teachings about creation and scientific theories of evolution need not contradict each other.[1][2]"
This is bunkum, total rubbish, not my view at all. SO stop mocking my view and me with your labels, ask me if you wish to know, never heard of Theistic evolution? Stupid idea, like mixing the devil and God as both agents of SIN. D"Theistic Evolution - by definition God used evolution to create. R" rubbish. D"If you know the origin story of the shedim is not within the ahl – why do ask for me to probe it exist
R" The shedim is unfolded in the NT by Jesus. The shedim is a father of lies and the murderer from the beginning of creation, not during creation as you teach. The revelation reveals to us the shedim as a war in heaven, the cherubs fought over the cherubs that sinned. The NT unlocks the origin of the shedim, the serpent who is the father of the shedim. D"Prove to me that it was a Jewish conspiracy to corrupt the agl – put up or shut up R" the Jews did not change the torah they received from true prophets, they added to the torah with writings of traditons and precepts of men, pretending their messages are also holy and true.
Consider this tradtion of your Rabbi. the "spirit lives" what Hebrew word is this? He doesn't say, but promotes the idea of some tradition some precept of man, not found in the Hebrew torah.
Does the torah speak of this as a corruption?
Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine,
Wine is both literal and a symbol of doctrines, teachings that differ from the true.
Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Why is the torah a place like this? What is going wrong?
Isa 28:9 ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
Nothing wrong with the Hebrew torah per se, but the teachers who teach ....
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Notice the prophecy is not with true lips in another tongue, but with drunken lips in another tongue.
The Gentiles get a stammering lip translation in Greek, is predicted here.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
It's a refreshing, yes to read Greek if you read Greek, but they still do not hear
Isa 28:15 ...for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Why don't they hear the message in the Greek?
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
They fail to read the Greek on top of the sure foundation stone of Jesus who originally wrote His Hebrew.
Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet:
Line up the Greek with a plumb bob using the Hebrew, both directed by Jesus
Isa 28:21 ...that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
What is God's strange act? Loving the unloved, and killing those who refuse His love.
Isa 28:23 ¶ Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.
Here the message in the Greek via the Hebrew, get to the foundation stone.
Isa 28:24 Doth the plowman plow all day to sow?
Kiss the SEED the Psalms say, the SEED is the WORD, a personal BEING, who is GOD in human flesh.
D"Prove to me that it was a Jewish conspiracy to corrupt the agl – put up or shut up R" I have answered you question using a single passage, an important one too. Now let's bring Paul's ideas into this verse
1Co 14:21 ¶ In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: Languages are a sign. 1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
Paul is speaking of spoken languages, does not write of written languages. Hence the written Greek had not existed yet in Paul's time, only the spoken, later Pauls words that were written were translated into Greek after Paul had written them in Hebrew.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace,
God is a god of order, and peace.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of GNOSIS falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
So later came others who tried to corrupt the words of Paul and the apostles, originally the Jews wrote the Hebrew they received carefully and we have reliable accurate writings unchanged to this day, Praise the Lord for preserving His messages to us. Have I answered your question Dave?
D"Why do you work so hard to deny the reality of the Archon R" I do not deny the rulers of darkness Dave, the Greek term is archon. I only deny your origin of these rulers of darkness. These are cherubims who sinned long before creation of our world, not during creation of our world as you claim, but from the beginning, long before mankind even existed. The rulers of darkness are rulers of darkness, hence SIN, darkness comes from SINNING, something you fail to see.
D"they say KINDS continued evolved into complete and different species after the flood on Day 7 R" What? We never say the doggie kind became a cat species. We say the doggie kind became the little dog, and big dog, the cattle dog, and wold hound dog, the dingo dog and wolverine dog and the great wolf dog, all species yes, some labelled as different species by man, hence the confusion, but all dogs of the doggie kind. --------------
D"1- the archon were created differently than the angels they were made with some matter – some biology R" where does it say archon were created Dave?
R" where does it say the cherubs are not made of matter? There are two entities in science, energy and matter God is light, Hence energy. Only God is this entity, hence angels have to be created of matter. Since only God is living, therefore the matter to be living has to be biological. If you promote some other idea, where is your texts? You cannot use spirit, the word means medium, a thing that does not exist.
Pr 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
The wind "ruwach" cannot be gather into you fists. You cannot make the wind "ruwach" have a shape.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Same applies to the ruwach
Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,
Notice this is written as the ruwach descended bodily with a shape like a dove, the term to describe the Father shape we cannot be sure of. How else is this bodily shape defined?
Ge 17:1 ¶ And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God;
Both YHWH and EL SHADDAY appear to Abram
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Seems to me the SHDDAY and the RUWACH are linked together? Would you agree with this idea?
Job 40:1 ¶ Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, 2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Why does JOb end with three desriptors, YHWH, eloah and Shadday?
Job 40:6 ¶ Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
The same idea as Ezekiel "Eze 1:4 ¶ And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind
Eze 1:24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, Here is the Shadday
Eze 1:26 ¶ And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Above the Shadday is the YHWH as a appearance of a man.
The wind as a medium (ruwach) comes from the Shadday El, is what the verses are saying.
This makes sense. a Medium is not a being,, It's a function. Media are entities or beings. Air is a media, Hot air and cold air are two kinds of media. The wind flows between these two media, in a process we term a medium. The wind is a medium affect caused by two sources of media, the energy flow in the medium comes from somewhere else, the medium only allows the energy to flow inside the medium. So a spirit is not a being. It's a function. When pagans who went to a witch and saw the medium, they saw a image inside the medium and assumed it's ghostly appearance we real to them as a being. This idea is wrong. Images on their own do not exist outside of the medium representing them. Sure inside a magnifying glass the image looks ghostly, but its an image not in focus.
D""1- the archon were created differently than the angels they were made with some matter – some biology R" Anything created has to be made of matter, therefore all created things with life in it are by defintion biological. Is not the cherub described as a man's hand, are not cherubs eating food before Abram?
D"Angels are not made with any physical reality they are ethereal What does ethereal mean? Sure angels are physically real? Angels are living matter just as humans are.
D"Your denial of the spiritual is obvious R" a spiritual body on it's own cannot exist. Mediums do not exist, Media can exist on it's own, but never mediums, they exist only under certain conditions in the presence of two media, never one media. Mediums are a function of power flow from one media to another media, mediums are not a thing on their own. D"And today man is creating human-animal chimeras – so man can do it – but creatures from heaven or even space cannot Your logic is error
R" you are speaking of GMO . Did I not speak of GMO? What happened when man was amalgamating humans with animals before the Great Flood? God destroyed them. We are approaching the same time. The end of GMO experiments is soon to end. God will stop this.
Your logic is error. You make God weak. Would God allow the cherubs that much power to GMO with humans, and thus sin with such abomination? God told Satan not to kill JOb, thus limiting Satan's powers of doing RA, why do you suppose God allowed the archons to do GMO with humans between the archon and the human themselves? That is a major abomination. I get the humans doing sins with GMO between humans and animals, but I do not get the GMO between humans the archons. Surely GOD would have said NO and limited Satan's powers of RA?
D"4- only 200 hundred of all the archon are involved with Gen 6 – not all of the archon R" Why only 200 of the archons, are the rest of archons here and thus friendly but some are not? Where is your Scripture of the archons and this number of wicked ones?
D"11- Only 90% of the 200 and their Nephilim are held in chains (Jubilees 10) R" I see much of your answers and proof come from outside the torah of Moses and the common received teachings, you also use other teachings which the Jews consider as holy? D"Angels are not made with any physical reality they are ethereal R" SO Angels have no physical reality? How would you test this idea Dave? Angels talk, they fly and walk, they eat food. They have shape and look like human men, they have a man's hand. Please explain why angels are not biological, and thus made of matter. Is not anything created made of matter ? D"Please represent your teaching on Nebacanezer's Dream
R" Walter Veith videos are huge often 1 hr some are 2 hrs long. I will try to answer your questions, but its a difficult ask to get a short clip on things about Nebuchadnezzar's Dream. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 18, 2021 9:22:07 GMT -5
R" A designer did not design a dog to become a cat or a dinosaur. You teach that all canines have a common ancestor that walk off the ark – that became all the canine species You teach that a common ancestor walk off the ark and became all the different species of monkeys and apes You teach this is the way all our species got here except man - This is bunkum, total rubbish,You are absolutely correct – the creationist KINDS is absolute rubbish Show me – or anyone – all of your intermediary species – the fossil record has found nonenot my view at all. SO stop mocking my view and me with your labels, OK – it is Theistic KINDS – that is a word you say you support – species changed into different species on Day 7 after the flood Or is this no longer your view?D"they say KINDS continued evolved into complete and different species after the flood on Day 7 R" What? We never say the doggie kind became a cat species. Sorry Robert – creationist KINDS do not fit the taxonomic tree You told me a polar bear and a brown bear got together and had a kola bear baby When a kola is not even a bear species – it is a marsupial D"Why do you work so hard to deny the reality of the Archon R" I do not deny the rulers of darkness Dave, the Greek term is archon. I only deny your origin of these rulers of darkness. These are cherubims who sinned long before creation of our world, And you have two words as proof + the backing of Roman doctrineSo as long as your satan is elevated to godhood your happyBut if I say God created things for a purpose and there is no evolution even in heaven – your upsetD""1- the archon were created differently than the angels they were made with some matter – some biology R" Anything created has to be made of matter, therefore all created things with life in it are by defintion biological. Is not the cherub described as a man's hand, are not cherubs eating food before Abram? Deny the spiritual – ALL YOU CAN SEE IS BIOLOGY - WORLDChrist is the first born of all creation - is this why you think your gods are jusy biologyD"Angels are not made with any physical reality they are ethereal What does ethereal mean? Buy a dictionaryD"Your denial of the spiritual is obvious R" a spiritual body on it's own cannot exist. Repeat - D"Your denial of the spiritual is obviousD"4- only 200 hundred of all the archon are involved with Gen 6 – not all of the archon R" Why only 200 of the archons, are the rest of archons here and thus friendly but some are not? Where is your Scripture of the archons and this number of wicked ones? Enoch the second most quoted Book within the aglR" Walter Veith videos are huge often 1 hr some are 2 hrs long. I will try to answer your questions, but its a difficult ask to get a short clip on things about Nebuchadnezzar's Dream.I thought you to be a Christian who knew their Bible – you teach Don’t you have an opinion? Why must you always turn to another man to tell you what your opinion is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 5:48:28 GMT -5
D" You teach that all canines have a common ancestor that walk off the ark – that became all the canine speciesR" yes D" You teach that a common ancestor walk off the ark and became all the different species of monkeysR" yes D" You teach that a common ancestor walk off the ark and became all the different species of apesR" yes , I think monkeys and apes are different kinds? D" You teach this is the way all our species got here except man - R" sounds OK? D" the creationist KINDS is absolute rubbish - Show me – or anyone – all of your intermediary species – the fossil record has found none. R" Why is there a need for intermediary species? D" Theistic KINDS – that is a word you say you support – species changed into different species on Day 7 after the flood - Or is this no longer your view?R" What is a Theistic KIND ? I would not the term evolution, because a kind changing it's shape, size and small things like that within the kind, is not evolution, it's just small changes. No need for intermediaries either. D" When a kola is not even a bear species – it is a marsupialR" fair enough, my mistake. Bear and Koala are different kinds. ---------------------- The rest of your posts are not inviting serious discussion, so I will not answer them. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 19, 2021 9:30:05 GMT -5
D" You teach that all canines have a common ancestor that walk off the ark – that became all the canine speciesR" yes D" You teach that a common ancestor walk off the ark and became all the different species of monkeysR" yes D" You teach this is the way all our species got here except man - R" sounds OK? D" the creationist KINDS is absolute rubbish - Show me – or anyone – all of your intermediary species – the fossil record has found none. D" Theistic KINDS – that is a word you say you support – species changed into different species on Day 7 after the flood - Or is this no longer your view?R" What is a Theistic KIND ? I would not the term evolution, because a kind changing it's shape, size and small things like that within the kind, is not evolution, it's just small changes. No need for intermediaries either. Common Ancestry and Natural Selection in Darwin's Originnationalhumanitiescenter.org › 2010/06 › comm... Jun 6, 2010 — Although Darwin's theory is often described as the theory of evolution by natural selection, most commentators recognize that common ... People also ask - Does evolution refer to common ancestry?Although Darwin's theory is often described as the theory of evolution by natural selection, most commentators recognize that common ancestry (the idea that all organisms now alive on earth and all present day fossils trace back to one or a few “original progenitors”) is an important part of the Darwinian picture.Jun 6, 2010 Fact – you and CMI and ICR claim that new and different species appeared on the planet on Day 7 after the FloodThat violates scripture – all creation was completed in 6 DaysYour theory says all of today’s animals came from a common ancestor that walked off the ArkThat is a basic premise of evolution - an important part of the Darwinian picture.---------------------- The rest of your posts are not inviting serious discussion, so I will not answer them.D"Don’t you and Walter Veitch teach that Rome is the anti-Christ? So what are you trying to save Dave? I do not follow you.Please represent your teaching on Nebacanezer's DreamPresent some data – present an opinion other than – your wrong Just to say – your wrong – is absolutely meaningless response Do you have an opinion you are will to present and stand by – or do you just avoid and attack othersR" Walter Veith videos are huge often 1 hr some are 2 hrs long. I will try to answer your questions, but its a difficult ask to get a short clip on things about Nebuchadnezzar's Dream.I thought you to be a Christian who knew their Bible – you teach Don’t you have an opinion? Why must you always turn to another man to tell you what your opinion is. I could not be more seriousYou said this the video of the thread was error - I asked you for your opinion I asked for you to correct the teaching - to present the SDA view – to present your opinion But it seems that your only opinion is – your wrong, but you have nothing to offer in its place
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 13:39:09 GMT -5
D" Fact – you and CMI and ICR claim that new and different species appeared on the planet on Day 7 after the Flood That violates scripture – all creation was completed in 6 Days R" You are a hard person Dave. It does mean that at all, have you not read Scripture?
Ge 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas,
"Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill " is a command from God to all plants and animals.
The DNA can make copies, ie multiply The DNA can change shape and size and colours, ie fruitful changes The DNA can adapt to make each creature adapt to new and cosy worlds as the Lord made them, ie fill the earth
D"That is a basic premise of evolution - an important part of the Darwinian picture. R" not even close Dave. Evolution as you agree is the process of gaining info for the DNA so it can "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill " , however no evidence exists for this idea, All evolution does with info is make the info go downhill, not uphill.
In order for the DNA to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill " the info have to be there already, fully supplied and completely perfect, not a single letter missing, nothing of RA at all, not even a trace, or else the code will not work, as any programmer will tell you. Logical errors are the worse kind of programming, like RUST, impossible to remove with natural selection, as the animals does not find them fatal enough to remove. Logic errors spoil your desired outcomes.... Imagine the complexity of the code God wrote for all the creatures?
And you have the nerd arrogance to suggest evolution as a word? Stop using this abomination.
Listen to John Sanford and start listening to his words, as I never use this word "evolution", .
D"Present some data – present an opinion other than – your wrong R" If you wish to learn the SDA meaning of the giant metal man, watch Veith videos, or ask me a specific question.
D"I thought you to be a Christian who knew their Bible – you teach Don’t you have an opinion? Why must you always turn to another man to tell you what your opinion is R" You change topics Dave. We do not agree with anything we have discussed. You have nor defended any of your views well enough .... What is it about the metal man dream you specifically want to know?
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Post by Dave on Dec 20, 2021 21:14:01 GMT -5
D" Fact – you and CMI and ICR claim that new and different species appeared on the planet on Day 7 after the Flood That violates scripture – all creation was completed in 6 Days R" You are a hard person Dave. It does mean that at all, have you not read Scripture? Deny all you want – CMI and ICR both teachThere was not enough room on the Ark – so the total number of different species had to be reduced somehow so they all fit inside the Ark along with all the food required CMI and ICRs solution – not all of our species today existed What walked on the Ark were the COMMON ANSCESTORS – of all our multiple species todayCanines changed to fox species – and into dog species – and wolf species YES – The Creation museum does say monkeys and apes had a common ancestor YES – The Creation museum does say – kola bears and polar bears are the same kind The issue is – it someone points this out to them Do they consider the data – is it a sin to admit an error in detail? NO – they reject peer review – dig in – and force their followers to take sides against the very people you should be witnessing toWhat walked on the Ark were the COMMON ANSCESTORS – of all our multiple species todayAnd they provide a nice evolutionally tree to prove it I am a creationist – I believe in an omnipotent Creator – He said let there be – and it appeared It appeared as is – it never changes – it never evolves – it reproduces after its own king until it dies out The fossil record validates this FACT – it has evolutions scrambling for a different god-less theory called microstates – millions of things just appeared without any precursor – it is call the Pre-Cambrian Explosion What walked on the Ark were the COMMON ANSCESTORS – of all our multiple species todayD" COMMON ANSCESTORY - is a basic premise of evolution - an important part of the Darwinian picture. R" not even close Dave. Way to ignore the data – you are attempting to change vocabulary D"Present some data – present an opinion other than – your wrong R" If you wish to learn the SDA meaning of the giant metal man, watch Veith videos, or ask me a specific question. Don’t you have an opinion? Why must you always turn to another man to tell you what your opinion isR" You change topics Dave.I created an entire new thread for this question- why did you respond if you never meant to address the thread At lease everyone can see – that you are not here to study scripture The only scripture you feel prepared to discuss = Ezk 28 satanWhat is it about the metal man dream you specifically want to know?Pretend you don't understand the question D"The video series of this discussion makes the point - that Rome never conquered Nebacanezzer's kingdom R" Who says Rome had to ?Don’t you and Walter Veitch teach that Rome is the anti-Christ? So confusing – you present theology then deny itD"Don’t you and Walter Veitch teach that Rome is the anti-Christ? So what are you trying to say Dave? I do not follow you.Please represent your teaching on Nebacanezer's DreamPresent some data – present an opinion other than – your wrong Just to say – your wrong – is absolutely meaningless response Do you have an opinion you are will to present and stand by – or do you just avoid and attack others
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Post by Dave on Dec 20, 2021 21:40:41 GMT -5
And just so you are not confused Walter Veith will say – the 2 legs of iron and the two feet are Rome The 2 halves = Roman Empire and Holy Roman (Byzantine) EmpireThe same prophesy demands that this Kingdom is one of the kingdoms that conquered Nebacanezzer’s KingdomQuestion – prove this happened – prove the Roman Empire conquered Nebacanezzer’s Kingdomand by conquered everyone means - the laws and language changedQuestion – prophesy also say this kingdom suffered a wound – but would return in the end to rule the land all around Israel Explain to me how this is ever going to be possible – if it is the Roman EmpireQuestion – this thread makes presents the idea that – the 2 legs and feet are Islam – Shia and Sunni And the returning kingdom is the Islamic Ottoman EmpirePlease demonstrate why this view does not add up scripturallyYou have been taught a spcific view - I already know what you are going to say So surprise me - educate me - teach here instead of just being a derogatory nay sayer CHRISTIAN
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 14:38:31 GMT -5
D"Question – this thread makes presents the idea that – the 2 legs and feet are Islam – Shia and Sunni And the returning kingdom is the Islamic Ottoman Empire Please demonstrate why this view does not add up scripturally
R" Are you saying the two legs of the IRON technology, refer to Islam?
Hmm?
Surely one leg has to the ROME and the other leg another ROME later on? Did not ROME break up into Western Rome and Eastern Rome?
IS not the Islamic Ottoman Empire a part of Eastern Rome?
Please explain?
We SDA views speak of a little horn power coming up later out of the two legs of Rome, the Roman Catholic horn, so I am interested in your two legs of Islam idea?
Rome used Iron extensively and fits the Iron kingdom, why do you suppose Islam?
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Post by Dave on Dec 22, 2021 16:15:47 GMT -5
R" Are you saying the two legs of the IRON technology, refer to Islam? Hmm? DUH – your reading comprehension is amazing
Surely one leg has to the ROME and the other leg another ROME later on? Did not ROME break up into Western Rome and Eastern Rome? And as I said – I knew exactly what your response would be
The question to you – Bible Student Is how ca it possibly be Rome what Rome never fulfilled the prophesy to conquer Nebacannezzar’s kingdom History says – Rome never has – but the ottoman Empire did
The question to you – is how can Rome ever be reunited to again conquer Nebacanezzar’s kingdom Current event – Rome – even if it is the West will never hold all the land around Israel But there is a movement for a return of the Turk-Ottoman Empire
IS not the Islamic Ottoman Empire a part of Eastern Rome? More information – you write so briefly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 13:43:19 GMT -5
D"The question to you – is how can Rome ever be reunited to again conquer Nebacanezzar’s kingdom Current event – Rome – even if it is the West will never hold all the land around Israel But there is a movement for a return of the Turk-Ottoman Empire
R" Babylon was the first kingdom opposing God, headed by Satan, but represented by Nimrod. The word means confusion in Hebrew, and in Babylon, gateway to the gods.
All other kingdoms after Babylon , ie Rome, have sentiments of confusion.
SO I do not get the gist of your question?
There are many prophecies in Revelation, many speak of the Turk-Ottoman Empire, so I am not experienced enough to answer your questions specifically. Uriah Smith is one SDA scholar I read a long time ago, and Walter Veith gives a different account. Other than that I do not have great opinions or views. Hope this helps.
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Post by Dave on Dec 23, 2021 14:00:34 GMT -5
OK this had me thinking all night Your idea – One leg is Rome that came first – and the other leg is the Byzantine Empire that came later If the Byzantine Empire was synomous with the Ottoman Empire you might have something The Ottoman Empire is the anti-Christ – Islam And Rome does everything it can do to hide that reality – you sure will not take a stand But the question still remain – How does it fit history on the ground?Neither Rome or the Byzantine ever conquered Nebacanazzar’s kingdom The Byzantine Empire was never synomous Ottoman EmpireByzantine Empire inherited from RomeByzantine Empire at its endAs for 5 have fallen and one is yet to come – if it is the Byzantine Empire how will it ever seize and hold Nebacanezzar’s kingdom 1 Egypt 2 Assyria 3 Babylon 4 Medo-persia 5 Greco - Alaxander 6 one is current at the time of John = Rome 7 and one is yet to come – turn on your TV and watch a little current events – keep your eyer in the shia alliance – Turkey, Iran + China
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