Post by Dave on Dec 2, 2021 15:30:37 GMT -5
This is such an interesting revelation – Difference between Dave and Robert
I admit – I am a Presbyterian Calvinist / Pentecostal / Evangelical Christian - basically mainstream non-Baptist Christianity for over 1000 years
Who has studied the works of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas as well as the ahl and agl
Today – I call myself a Gnostic Christian
1- just to separate myself from the Roman Christendom Label/Stigma
I am not a Catholic, or Presbyterian, or Pentecostal, or Evangelical Christian any more – so what am I
2- The Nag Hammadi Library - the First and Century writings of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas survived the Roman Edit in a deliberately hidden library – to survive the Roman Edit – and several of those text specifically say – “for the generation of the end-of-days” – Rome’s World calls them Gnostic Gospels
3- The Dead Sea Scrolls - the First and Second Century writings of the Jews – during and after 70AD – were deliberately hidden to survive the Roman Edit - It contains the War Scroll – detailing the 33 year final war – between the son of light vrs the sons of darkness - that happens in 3 major outbreaks – Israel first – the Balkans second - and Switzerland/Germany – it is also called Gnostic by the world
4- I am an ‘arm chair’ scientist – (credential – clinical chemistry, biochemistry, genetics)
NO ONE IN MY FIELD IS AN EVOLUTIONIST – the science of genetics does not support evolution
EVERYONE EMBRACES SOME CONCEPT OF AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN – therefor an Intelligent Designer
Jesus said
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
“for the generation of the end-of-days” – “War Scroll – detailing the 33 year final war – between the son of light vrs the sons of darkness”
1945 – WWII ends –
Hitler’s Holocaust – martyred ½ of Europe’s Jews and the other ½ rededicated themselves to YHWY
Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Jer 29:14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
1945 - Bretton Woods era – the longest and most stable peace in the plant’s history
Allowing technology to advance – and the population to exceed the carrying capacity of the earth
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
The future is obvious – the earth is poised for a population and then a financial collapse
It will be a global reset –
Question - can humanity survive this with a war?
Answer – History teaches us and scripture teaches us – NO!
1945 – The Nag Hammadi Library is discovered - “for the generation of the end-of-days
1947 – the Dead Sea Scrolls are found - “War Scroll – detailing the 33 year final war – between the son of light vrs the sons of darkness”
1948 – Israel is once again a Nation
Yes – I describe myself as Gnostic Christian – reality is too obvious to ignore
Who is the enemy?
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (Archon/ Principalities/ Jinn/demons/ shedim shades, other gods), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Where did this enemy come from?
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.
Is the enemy all part of God’s Plan/ God’s Will
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities(Archon/ Principalities/ Jinn/demons/ shedim shades, other gods). All was created through Him and for Him.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The AntiChrist
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Dave says – who preaches against the Father and the Son?
"There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger." This is the basic statement of the Islamic faith: anyone who cannot recite this wholeheartedly is not a Muslim.
Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity.
But for some reason – Robert will not admit this – all he has for my teaching is contempt
Robert is a Lutheran / Baptist / Seven-Day-Adventist – whose origin was in the 1830s
He teaches that, Ellen White, the wife of and elder of a failed prophesy group is a prophet of God
To be absolutely honest all I know of her is what Robert as taught us here – and what the internet says
But it is fair to say – that Robert filters all scripture through her religious views
And her views are the base theology of the Seven-Day-Advents
There has always some question from mainstream Christianity about the Seven-Day-Advents
Are Seventh-Day Adventists Christian? www.versebyverseministry.org › bible-answers
Dec 6, 2015 — Based on this definition, the Seventh Day Adventist Church could be considered a cult. While they call themselves Christian
“I Was In A Cult” – We Spoke To 2 People Who Have Left a ... zoella.co.uk › 2021/07/26 › i-was-in-a-cult-we-s...
Jul 26, 2021 — Emily – Seventh Day Adventist Church · At church girls and women were not allowed to be church leaders until very recently
Is Seventh-Day Adventism a Cult? | GraceLife - Grace ... www.gracechurch.org › sermons
Apr 26, 2015 — Is Seventh-Day Adventism a Cult? by Phil Johnson. s3.amazonaws.com/gracelifepulpit.media/GL-2015-04-26-PJ.mp3.
Beware This Cult! An Insider Exposes Seventh Day Adventism www.amazon.com › Beware-Insider-Exposes-Se... [Gregory G.P. Hunt]
Let’s look at our differences
Dave – there is only one True Creator – God is beyond our understanding / comprehension – BUT – man can interact with the Spirit of God – or the Image of God = Trinity
Scripture says God Creates / Christs Creates / the HS Creates= One true Creator = Trinity
Robert – absolutely denies the Trinity – he has three independent gods working together as a family
Dave – because God exist as a Trinity – Jesus Christ is God incarnate
Robert – absolutely denies this as even possible
Dave – spirit – pre-existed biology – and exist after biology dies
Robert – absolutely denies this is possible – there is no such thing as the spirit with man – man’s spirit
We are born as biology – when our biology dies – we are gone / asleep – until later when the biology is resurrected
Dave – God made man in His image
He pre-existed biology – came to earth as a man (Jesus Christ) – and returned to the heavens
Robert – agrees – but then must deny we are made in God’s image
Dave – man pre-existed biology – come to earth to souljourn here – and retunes to God
Absolutely 100% Jewish teaching
Robert – absolutely denies this is even possible
Dave – is 100% in agreement with Judaism – Life lives – spirit transcends the physical – there is a spiritual reality all around us – and man is a full part of it
Robert – man has no spirit – therefore no spirituality – no soul – just biology
Dave – God is absolute – it is all his Will / all His Plan – no one else is in charge
The wolrd God made is amazing and its complexity can only be understood as if there was an Intelligent Designer – Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2
Robert – God made a tov world – satan and his sin changed it all – corrupted it all – all we see today is God reaction to this other god satan
Dave – there is only One True God – and the Beast of Revelation is real (archon) – our real struggle
Robert – said quote “I have two gods and two kings, what is wrong with that’ and one of Roberts gods = the god of evil – Hebrew satan and every teaching about the archon is a lie – do not believe any of it Robert suggest
Dave – fully believes in the spirit – spiritual Christianity – Pentecostalism – Born Again
Robert – MOCKS the entire concept – calls it works of the devil
Dave – there are 3 types of people (1) Born Again Christians (2) believing Christians (3) and the stupid
Robert – only has those who believe and practice religion daily to maintain their salvation – and those who do not believe as he does
Dave – all though the ahl – the enemy of God’s chosen people = other nations with ‘other gods’ (archon)
Dave – who are those ‘other gods’ – the Beast of Revelation that deceive the whole world – the serpent race – devils, satanas (archon)
Robert – will not commit as to their identity – mostly myth – doesn’t exist
Dave – every culture around the globe has – ‘other gods’ spirit, demons (archon)
Dave – who are those ‘other gods’ – the Beast of Revelation that deceive the whole world – the serpent race – devils, satanas (archon)
Robert – will not commit as to their identity – mostly myth – doesn’t exist
Dave – every culture has UFO / Alien stories – Today the UFO /Alien mythos is becoming the replacement theology since they are our Intelligent Designer (archon)
Dave – who are those ‘other gods’ – the Beast of Revelation that deceive the whole world – the serpent race – devils, satanas (archon)
Robert – will not commit as to their identity – mostly myth – doesn’t exist
Dave – the ‘other gods’ of the ahl were all gathered together and placed in the Kaba by Mohammed
He deciares that Allah is their supreme commander
Robert – avoids the discussion – will not commit
Robert will absolutely not admit that the Jinn /Archon / ‘other gods’ / devils/ or satanas of the agl are real or tangible
Dave – the Catholic doctrine off Fallen Angels is an archonic deception – satan worship
Robert – absolutely support Catholic doctrine – Ellen White repeats it word for word
Then he says – the Catholic church is a Jesuit Satanic Cult – and is the anti-Christ
WHY such resistance from Robert – Why such denial of our Real struggle as Christians
How can Robert justify accusing Rome of being the anti-Christ – but Roman doctrine and literature is the Christian standard of truth?
There has always been a question about the connection between the SDA and the Bahai Faith
I didn’t know what it was actually until now – they have the same math
The 2nd Great Awakening - Evangelicalism, Revivalism – 1800s
Joseph Smith begins the Mormon Church – writes The Other Testament of Jesus Christ
Charles Russel begins the Jehovah Witness movement – Jesus returned
Miller begins the Adventist movement – Ellen White become a prophet – Jesus returned
1844 - But what about the Muslim world? Did they have a witness in the 19th Century? And did the movement actually make a lasting impression on Muslims? The answer is yes. To most people, the Baha’i Faith seems to be a random, independent world religion springing up in the 1840’s. But in fact it is a relic of the Advent Movement in Islam, misguided after the Great Disappointment in 1844. The existence of the Baha’i movement is a testimony to the fact that Muslims on a large scale expected the Second Coming of Christ in the same year as the Christians. It shows a close eschatological connection between the two religions, and adds credibility to the Seventh-Day Adventist claim that God was preparing the whole world for the Second Coming in the early 19th Century.
Does Isalm validate SDA? Or does SDA validate Islam?
AND that exact same ADVENT math appeared in Islam (Bahai) and (SDA) at the same time
No wonder Robert – refuses to take a stand on the identity of Allah – or the Jinn (Archon)
The Attitude of Seventh-day Adventists Toward Islam
Is there a moderate, sensible attitude that we can correctly assume which recognizes in the religion of Islam certain elements of truth—truth used by God during past centuries to enlighten masses of benighted peoples?
Truth in Islam
A most striking example of God's attitude toward a heathen power is that of Nebuchadnezzar, the great king of the idolatrous Babylonian Empire. According to the Bible record, God gave him two dreams that we know of and he therefore was in this respect the agent of God.
OH – SDA god uses ‘other-gods’ / other religions to facilities God Plan / God Will
Therefore it seems to me that as Seventh-day Adventists, raised up by God in these latter days as "the restorers of the breach" we should regard Islam as a religion which was designed at least in its beginning to enlighten the masses and with the recognition that the Lord permitted Islam to rise with the fundamental mission to teach belief in monotheism, the judgment, acceptance of the holy prophets, and to establish some truths to nations in the Middle East who were steeped in pagan superstition and philosophies.
OH – God imparts truth in ‘other gods’ / other religions
According to the Scriptures we also accept the fact that we are the spiritual descendants of Abraham, and as such we hold in common with the Muslims certain principles of truth which God first revealed to him. In the same respect we are "spiritual" Israel to the Jews. To Catholics and to Protestants we are the restorers of the apostolic faith. If we can establish this point, then it is clear that Seventh-day Adventists are true friends of Islam, the same as friends of Jews, Protestants, and Catholics, and the Muslim can count himself a brother with us without the rejection of all his own beliefs and practices.
Journal of Adventist Mission Studies, Vol. 8 [2012], No. 2, Art. 2 3. Lack of Understanding: There is also a huge lack of understanding of the Muslim religion and culture. Too many Adventists tend to stereo type Muslims “based on news clips” (Whitehouse 2005a:11). As a result, Christians have an inaccurate perception of what a Muslim is. In the Phil ippines, a Muslim graduate student complained that whenever there is a bombing, Muslims are the automatic suspects. “They think we are all drug smugglers, gunrunners and separatists” (Ciria-Cruz 2000). Such
misunderstandings instill fear and prejudice.
The SDA are an Islamic apologist
Robert once bragged – why do so many Muslim convert to SDA
OK – why do so many SDA convert to Islam?
Answer - they share the same theology
My Story: From Mormon, to Muslim, to Adventisthttps://record.adventistchurch.com › Faith
Aug 20, 2019 —
My journey from 7th day Adventist to Islam - World Hijab Dayhttps://worldhijabday.com › journey-7th-day-eventist-is
The Teachings of The Quran for Seventh-day Adventistshttps://www.fulcrum7.com › blog › 2018/12/28 › the-t...
When a Seventh-Day Adventist Converts to Islamwww.realclearreligion.org › 2015/05/14 › when...
What Did Ellen White Say About Islam?
The prophets do not seem to receive messages regarding every political or even religious movement that may arise. There is nothing in the Bible or White’s writings about Nazi Germany for instance, even though it had such a major impact on the world in the early to mid-20th century. The same may be said for communism, which added a direct challenge to religion and certainly the Seventh-day Adventist faith.
WOW – some prophet
The Teachings of The Quran for Seventh-day Adventists
December 28, 2018 Isaac Ismael Jacobs
And I worry about the picture painted of Jinn. They seem crafty but underestimated.
OH – the SDA know all about the Jinn – why cover them up – hide them from view?
I admit – I am a Presbyterian Calvinist / Pentecostal / Evangelical Christian - basically mainstream non-Baptist Christianity for over 1000 years
Who has studied the works of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas as well as the ahl and agl
Today – I call myself a Gnostic Christian
1- just to separate myself from the Roman Christendom Label/Stigma
I am not a Catholic, or Presbyterian, or Pentecostal, or Evangelical Christian any more – so what am I
2- The Nag Hammadi Library - the First and Century writings of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas survived the Roman Edit in a deliberately hidden library – to survive the Roman Edit – and several of those text specifically say – “for the generation of the end-of-days” – Rome’s World calls them Gnostic Gospels
3- The Dead Sea Scrolls - the First and Second Century writings of the Jews – during and after 70AD – were deliberately hidden to survive the Roman Edit - It contains the War Scroll – detailing the 33 year final war – between the son of light vrs the sons of darkness - that happens in 3 major outbreaks – Israel first – the Balkans second - and Switzerland/Germany – it is also called Gnostic by the world
4- I am an ‘arm chair’ scientist – (credential – clinical chemistry, biochemistry, genetics)
NO ONE IN MY FIELD IS AN EVOLUTIONIST – the science of genetics does not support evolution
EVERYONE EMBRACES SOME CONCEPT OF AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN – therefor an Intelligent Designer
Jesus said
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
“for the generation of the end-of-days” – “War Scroll – detailing the 33 year final war – between the son of light vrs the sons of darkness”
1945 – WWII ends –
Hitler’s Holocaust – martyred ½ of Europe’s Jews and the other ½ rededicated themselves to YHWY
Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Jer 29:14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
1945 - Bretton Woods era – the longest and most stable peace in the plant’s history
Allowing technology to advance – and the population to exceed the carrying capacity of the earth
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
The future is obvious – the earth is poised for a population and then a financial collapse
It will be a global reset –
Question - can humanity survive this with a war?
Answer – History teaches us and scripture teaches us – NO!
1945 – The Nag Hammadi Library is discovered - “for the generation of the end-of-days
1947 – the Dead Sea Scrolls are found - “War Scroll – detailing the 33 year final war – between the son of light vrs the sons of darkness”
1948 – Israel is once again a Nation
Yes – I describe myself as Gnostic Christian – reality is too obvious to ignore
Who is the enemy?
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (Archon/ Principalities/ Jinn/demons/ shedim shades, other gods), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Where did this enemy come from?
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.
Is the enemy all part of God’s Plan/ God’s Will
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities(Archon/ Principalities/ Jinn/demons/ shedim shades, other gods). All was created through Him and for Him.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The AntiChrist
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Dave says – who preaches against the Father and the Son?
"There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger." This is the basic statement of the Islamic faith: anyone who cannot recite this wholeheartedly is not a Muslim.
Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity.
But for some reason – Robert will not admit this – all he has for my teaching is contempt
Robert is a Lutheran / Baptist / Seven-Day-Adventist – whose origin was in the 1830s
He teaches that, Ellen White, the wife of and elder of a failed prophesy group is a prophet of God
To be absolutely honest all I know of her is what Robert as taught us here – and what the internet says
But it is fair to say – that Robert filters all scripture through her religious views
And her views are the base theology of the Seven-Day-Advents
There has always some question from mainstream Christianity about the Seven-Day-Advents
Are Seventh-Day Adventists Christian? www.versebyverseministry.org › bible-answers
Dec 6, 2015 — Based on this definition, the Seventh Day Adventist Church could be considered a cult. While they call themselves Christian
“I Was In A Cult” – We Spoke To 2 People Who Have Left a ... zoella.co.uk › 2021/07/26 › i-was-in-a-cult-we-s...
Jul 26, 2021 — Emily – Seventh Day Adventist Church · At church girls and women were not allowed to be church leaders until very recently
Is Seventh-Day Adventism a Cult? | GraceLife - Grace ... www.gracechurch.org › sermons
Apr 26, 2015 — Is Seventh-Day Adventism a Cult? by Phil Johnson. s3.amazonaws.com/gracelifepulpit.media/GL-2015-04-26-PJ.mp3.
Beware This Cult! An Insider Exposes Seventh Day Adventism www.amazon.com › Beware-Insider-Exposes-Se... [Gregory G.P. Hunt]
Let’s look at our differences
Dave – there is only one True Creator – God is beyond our understanding / comprehension – BUT – man can interact with the Spirit of God – or the Image of God = Trinity
Scripture says God Creates / Christs Creates / the HS Creates= One true Creator = Trinity
Robert – absolutely denies the Trinity – he has three independent gods working together as a family
Dave – because God exist as a Trinity – Jesus Christ is God incarnate
Robert – absolutely denies this as even possible
Dave – spirit – pre-existed biology – and exist after biology dies
Robert – absolutely denies this is possible – there is no such thing as the spirit with man – man’s spirit
We are born as biology – when our biology dies – we are gone / asleep – until later when the biology is resurrected
Dave – God made man in His image
He pre-existed biology – came to earth as a man (Jesus Christ) – and returned to the heavens
Robert – agrees – but then must deny we are made in God’s image
Dave – man pre-existed biology – come to earth to souljourn here – and retunes to God
Absolutely 100% Jewish teaching
Robert – absolutely denies this is even possible
Dave – is 100% in agreement with Judaism – Life lives – spirit transcends the physical – there is a spiritual reality all around us – and man is a full part of it
Robert – man has no spirit – therefore no spirituality – no soul – just biology
Dave – God is absolute – it is all his Will / all His Plan – no one else is in charge
The wolrd God made is amazing and its complexity can only be understood as if there was an Intelligent Designer – Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2
Robert – God made a tov world – satan and his sin changed it all – corrupted it all – all we see today is God reaction to this other god satan
Dave – there is only One True God – and the Beast of Revelation is real (archon) – our real struggle
Robert – said quote “I have two gods and two kings, what is wrong with that’ and one of Roberts gods = the god of evil – Hebrew satan and every teaching about the archon is a lie – do not believe any of it Robert suggest
Dave – fully believes in the spirit – spiritual Christianity – Pentecostalism – Born Again
Robert – MOCKS the entire concept – calls it works of the devil
Dave – there are 3 types of people (1) Born Again Christians (2) believing Christians (3) and the stupid
Robert – only has those who believe and practice religion daily to maintain their salvation – and those who do not believe as he does
Dave – all though the ahl – the enemy of God’s chosen people = other nations with ‘other gods’ (archon)
Dave – who are those ‘other gods’ – the Beast of Revelation that deceive the whole world – the serpent race – devils, satanas (archon)
Robert – will not commit as to their identity – mostly myth – doesn’t exist
Dave – every culture around the globe has – ‘other gods’ spirit, demons (archon)
Dave – who are those ‘other gods’ – the Beast of Revelation that deceive the whole world – the serpent race – devils, satanas (archon)
Robert – will not commit as to their identity – mostly myth – doesn’t exist
Dave – every culture has UFO / Alien stories – Today the UFO /Alien mythos is becoming the replacement theology since they are our Intelligent Designer (archon)
Dave – who are those ‘other gods’ – the Beast of Revelation that deceive the whole world – the serpent race – devils, satanas (archon)
Robert – will not commit as to their identity – mostly myth – doesn’t exist
Dave – the ‘other gods’ of the ahl were all gathered together and placed in the Kaba by Mohammed
He deciares that Allah is their supreme commander
Robert – avoids the discussion – will not commit
Robert will absolutely not admit that the Jinn /Archon / ‘other gods’ / devils/ or satanas of the agl are real or tangible
Dave – the Catholic doctrine off Fallen Angels is an archonic deception – satan worship
Robert – absolutely support Catholic doctrine – Ellen White repeats it word for word
Then he says – the Catholic church is a Jesuit Satanic Cult – and is the anti-Christ
WHY such resistance from Robert – Why such denial of our Real struggle as Christians
How can Robert justify accusing Rome of being the anti-Christ – but Roman doctrine and literature is the Christian standard of truth?
There has always been a question about the connection between the SDA and the Bahai Faith
I didn’t know what it was actually until now – they have the same math
The 2nd Great Awakening - Evangelicalism, Revivalism – 1800s
Joseph Smith begins the Mormon Church – writes The Other Testament of Jesus Christ
Charles Russel begins the Jehovah Witness movement – Jesus returned
Miller begins the Adventist movement – Ellen White become a prophet – Jesus returned
1844 - But what about the Muslim world? Did they have a witness in the 19th Century? And did the movement actually make a lasting impression on Muslims? The answer is yes. To most people, the Baha’i Faith seems to be a random, independent world religion springing up in the 1840’s. But in fact it is a relic of the Advent Movement in Islam, misguided after the Great Disappointment in 1844. The existence of the Baha’i movement is a testimony to the fact that Muslims on a large scale expected the Second Coming of Christ in the same year as the Christians. It shows a close eschatological connection between the two religions, and adds credibility to the Seventh-Day Adventist claim that God was preparing the whole world for the Second Coming in the early 19th Century.
Does Isalm validate SDA? Or does SDA validate Islam?
AND that exact same ADVENT math appeared in Islam (Bahai) and (SDA) at the same time
No wonder Robert – refuses to take a stand on the identity of Allah – or the Jinn (Archon)
The Attitude of Seventh-day Adventists Toward Islam
Is there a moderate, sensible attitude that we can correctly assume which recognizes in the religion of Islam certain elements of truth—truth used by God during past centuries to enlighten masses of benighted peoples?
Truth in Islam
A most striking example of God's attitude toward a heathen power is that of Nebuchadnezzar, the great king of the idolatrous Babylonian Empire. According to the Bible record, God gave him two dreams that we know of and he therefore was in this respect the agent of God.
OH – SDA god uses ‘other-gods’ / other religions to facilities God Plan / God Will
Therefore it seems to me that as Seventh-day Adventists, raised up by God in these latter days as "the restorers of the breach" we should regard Islam as a religion which was designed at least in its beginning to enlighten the masses and with the recognition that the Lord permitted Islam to rise with the fundamental mission to teach belief in monotheism, the judgment, acceptance of the holy prophets, and to establish some truths to nations in the Middle East who were steeped in pagan superstition and philosophies.
OH – God imparts truth in ‘other gods’ / other religions
According to the Scriptures we also accept the fact that we are the spiritual descendants of Abraham, and as such we hold in common with the Muslims certain principles of truth which God first revealed to him. In the same respect we are "spiritual" Israel to the Jews. To Catholics and to Protestants we are the restorers of the apostolic faith. If we can establish this point, then it is clear that Seventh-day Adventists are true friends of Islam, the same as friends of Jews, Protestants, and Catholics, and the Muslim can count himself a brother with us without the rejection of all his own beliefs and practices.
Journal of Adventist Mission Studies, Vol. 8 [2012], No. 2, Art. 2 3. Lack of Understanding: There is also a huge lack of understanding of the Muslim religion and culture. Too many Adventists tend to stereo type Muslims “based on news clips” (Whitehouse 2005a:11). As a result, Christians have an inaccurate perception of what a Muslim is. In the Phil ippines, a Muslim graduate student complained that whenever there is a bombing, Muslims are the automatic suspects. “They think we are all drug smugglers, gunrunners and separatists” (Ciria-Cruz 2000). Such
misunderstandings instill fear and prejudice.
The SDA are an Islamic apologist
Robert once bragged – why do so many Muslim convert to SDA
OK – why do so many SDA convert to Islam?
Answer - they share the same theology
My Story: From Mormon, to Muslim, to Adventisthttps://record.adventistchurch.com › Faith
Aug 20, 2019 —
My journey from 7th day Adventist to Islam - World Hijab Dayhttps://worldhijabday.com › journey-7th-day-eventist-is
The Teachings of The Quran for Seventh-day Adventistshttps://www.fulcrum7.com › blog › 2018/12/28 › the-t...
When a Seventh-Day Adventist Converts to Islamwww.realclearreligion.org › 2015/05/14 › when...
What Did Ellen White Say About Islam?
The prophets do not seem to receive messages regarding every political or even religious movement that may arise. There is nothing in the Bible or White’s writings about Nazi Germany for instance, even though it had such a major impact on the world in the early to mid-20th century. The same may be said for communism, which added a direct challenge to religion and certainly the Seventh-day Adventist faith.
WOW – some prophet
The Teachings of The Quran for Seventh-day Adventists
December 28, 2018 Isaac Ismael Jacobs
And I worry about the picture painted of Jinn. They seem crafty but underestimated.
OH – the SDA know all about the Jinn – why cover them up – hide them from view?
