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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 3:58:07 GMT -5
RP" Le 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; BINGO. The word meaning does NOT mean SPECIES. Vulture and kite are two different species, but grouped together here as one kind.D" YEP – vultures after their kind and kites after their kindR" wow, I didn't see that coming, you completely can't read sentences like laymen people do. I did a quick read, 7 species of vultures, definitely not a kind of birds. The seven species are: Black vulture Coragyps atratus in South America and north to the US Turkey vulture Cathartes aura throughout the Americas to southern Canada Lesser yellow-headed vulture Cathartes burrovianus in South America and north to Mexico Greater yellow-headed vulture Cathartes melambrotus in the Amazon Basin of tropical South America California condor Gymnogyps californianus in California, formerly widespread in the mountains of western North AmericaAlso " What's the difference between a vulture and a kite? In a majority of species, such as generalist hunters and rodent -, reptile -, fish -, and insect -hunting specialists, the dimorphism is less, usually between a 5% to 30% size difference. In the carrion-eating Old World vultures and snail eating kites, the difference is largely non-existent, though sometimes the female may average slightly heavier.And this " Kite, noun, A bird of prey of the family Accipitridae.
Vulture, noun, Any of several carrion-eating birds of the families Accipitridae and Cathartidae.R" Not different kinds at all. D" Are you suggestion that Black and White are two different species of humanoidsR" no but you are suggesting this. You say animals can have different pheotypes, but the fox and the dog are unrelated. Yet they are both canines, and you can even today mate a fox with a dog, using artificial means. richardsdogs.com/can-dog-and-fox-breed/#:~:text=Foxes%20are%20wild%20and%20solitary%20animals%20and%20have,there%20are%20other%20reasons%20why%20interbreeding%20doesn%E2%80%99t%20happen. This says no you can't. I quote" Foxes are so diverse that many of the species of fox have different numbers of chromosomes to each other. This makes it even less likely that a dog could interbreed with them.R" I would disagree, if they are of the same kind, one should be able to sexually breed them together, albeit artificially. I quote" Although foxes look cute and the thought of a dog/fox (dox) hybrid sounds nice, foxes don’t make good pets. A dog and fox hybrid would still retain many of the characteristics and traits of a fox.R" what's this in the reading? A fox hybrid? I quote " Some people mistakenly think their dog has fox DNA in them simply because they look a little like one. This isn’t the case.
R" This article is simply going against Scripture kinds. I quote " those breeds that look like foxes include:
Finnish Spitz: Although similar in appearance, the Finnish Spitz is friendly and calm, unlike foxes. Icelandic Sheepdog: With a fox-like face, this dog is completely different to foxes in that it has a friendly and loyal nature. Pembroke Welsh Corgi: Traditionally a herding dog, this corgi is hardworking and very obedient. Shiba Inu: This is a very confident dog, not always suitable for a first-time dog owner. Canaan Dog: Recently a wild dog trained to work for security services; this dog goes all the way back to the Israelites. Basenji: Unlike foxes, this is a very clean dog, and they love children. Schipperke:Suitable for apartment living, but has high energy needs. Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever: Bred to look like a fox, they love exercise and are loyal, but need plenty of exercise.I also quote" Dogs and wolves can breed and have offspring, which can then go on to breed themselves. This is possible because dogs and wolves followed the same evolution path.
R" Funny dogs and wolves can sex together, but not dogs and foxes? I quote " The Dog-Fox Hybrid: The Dox Has Never Been Proven There are many tales of a dog-fox hybrid called a dox, but there are no substantiated reports to prove there has ever been one.
R" funny, in theory the dox should be possible. I quote" Their DNA is too different, and their mating patterns make it incredibly unlikely that even if it was possible, they probably wouldn’t breed.
R" How can they say this when they haven't done the DNA studies? From another website " The accounts that do exist of there being a hybridization between foxes and dogs come from the 1800s to early 1900s.
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Zoologist – Reginald Innes Pocock Heinrich Heck – Hellabrunn Zoo Rev. J. Conway Walter – Horncastle Wilhelm Niemeyer – Hannover Zoological Gardens Of these cases, none of them were scientifically verified or studied. www.academia.edu/59701850/Chromosome_identification_and_assignment_of_DNA_clones_in_the_dog_using_a_red_fox_and_dog_comparative_mapR" Hard to read the complex English? It's an interesting study, I confirm while the number of chromosomes seem different today, they may have been compatible in days past. D" Ken Hamm is also a racest and has his own science to prove white man is superior and you wonder why creationism is harmfulR" I agree, Ken Ham is potentially harmful. Overall I do not like much of his public statements. No wonder Dillon said what he said, we are so different and yet Creation supporters, how does that figure? SHalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 3, 2021 5:56:21 GMT -5
You say animals can have different pheotypes, but the fox and the dog are unrelated. Yet they are both canines, and you can even today mate a fox with a dog, using artificial means.You do not understand phenotype – read a text bookIf two people have the same phenotype we call the identical twins – they both came from the same zygot You and your brother have the same genotype because you both have the same parents – you each have a different phenotype because you look different from one another I quote" Foxes are so diverse that many of the species of fox have different numbers of chromosomes to each other. This makes it even less likely that a dog could interbreed with them. R" I would disagree, if they are of the same kind, one should be able to sexually breed them together, albeit artificially.So – it this the creationist taxonomic method? If you can hybrid two things together – they are the same kindThat is exactly the conclusion of Erika in her videoChimeras are an amalgamation of different creatures. Chimeras can have the heads and front halves of lions, the back halves of goats, the horns, wings, spines, and tongues of dragons, and living serpents for tails. They also have eyes that are combinations of dragon, lion, and goat eyes. Centaurs, Minotaur, Pans, Mermaids, Satyrs, Human-bird hybrids, Human-fish hybrids, Human-snake hybrids I was taught this is a sin against man and nature and Gen 6 was the cause of the FloodI quote "Some people mistakenly think their dog has fox DNA in them simply because they look a little like one. This isn’t the case. R" This article is simply going against Scripture kinds.This article is just stating Empirical Evidence – it just not agree with creationism I also quote"Dogs and wolves can breed and have offspring, which can then go on to breed themselves. This is possible because dogs and wolves followed the same evolution path.Correct – again MAN DID THIS – and the breed is called a Husky or Malamute This did not happen in nature R" Funny dogs and wolves can sex together, but not dogs and foxes? The accounts that do exist of there being a hybridization between foxes and dogs come from the 1800s to early 1900s.
www.academia.edu/59701850/Chromosome_identification_and_assignment_of_DNA_clones_in_the_dog_using_a_red_fox_and_dog_comparative_map R" Hard to read the complex English?You do not understand what you read“Our results demonstrate that the Red Fox and dog comparative chromosome map can be used to guide chromosomal assessment of canine markers and cloned genomic DNA sequences. … In conclusion we demonstrate for the first time a practical and definitive method for the unambiguous identification of dog chromosomes. ”The study identified that DNA sequence specific to dogs – in a project to help differentiate between all the many dog breeds today. BECAREFUL OF THE CREATION SCIENCE YOU ENDORSEwww.genome.gov/15515096/2005-release-new-genome-comparison-finds-chimps-humans-very-similar-at-dna-levelNew Genome Comparison Finds Chimps, Humans Very Similar at the DNA LevelChimps and Man are of the same KIND according to your teaching(google) In 2017, a human-pig chimera was reported to have been created; the chimera was also reported to have 0.001% human cells, with the balance being pig. In 2021, a human-monkey chimera was created as a joint project between the Salk Institute in the USA and Kunming University in China and published in the journal, Cell. International team creates first chimeric human-monkey embryoswww.statnews.com › 2021/04/15 › international-... Apr 15, 2021 — Scientists have created the first embryos that were part human and part monkey and kept them alive for up to 20 days in laboratory dishes. Why Scientists Have Been Creating Chimeras in the Lab for ...https://www.discovermagazine.com › health › why-scie... May 19, 2021 — Chimeras are made by placing cells from one animal (of the same or a different species) inside another. This is distinct from hybrids, ... Missing: man | Must include: man First Human-Monkey Chimeras Developed in China - The ...https://www.the-scientist.com › news-opinion › first-hu... Aug 5, 2019 — An international team of researchers has created embryos containing both human and monkey cells, the Spanish newspaper El País reported July ... According to you man and pigs, monkeys, and chimps are all of the same KIND because they can be hybrid togetherI was taught this is a sin against man and nature and Gen 6 was the cause of the Flood
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 13:14:29 GMT -5
D"According to you man and pigs, monkeys, and chimps are all of the same KIND because they can be hybrid together
I was taught this is a sin against man and nature and Gen 6 was the cause of the Flood
R" You are absolutely correct Dave. I agree with you. It is a sin. It's the abomination that caused the Great Flood, because man dared to hybrid man and monkeys together, as well as other different kinds of animals.
We are approaching the same abominations that Noah experienced, and thus Jesus is coming soon.
Question: How much of the DNA has mankind actually read so far?
Answer: the TATA protein code sequences so far?
What about development instruction code for protein? What about logic instructions where to place protein, where not to place protein? What about code for intelligent seeking ?
Therefore trillions of code instructions are still required to be searched?
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Post by Dave on Nov 3, 2021 15:08:25 GMT -5
D"According to you man and pigs, monkeys, and chimps are all of the same KIND because they can be hybrid together I was taught this is a sin against man and nature and Gen 6 was the cause of the Flood R" You are absolutely correct Dave. I agree with you. It is a sin. It's the abomination that caused the Great Flood, because man dared to hybrid man and monkeys together, as well as other different kinds of animals. Except – it wasn’t man that did it – it was the bane elohoym / archon It was the ‘other gods’ from the 99% - Chaldean origin It was ancient alien gods – from the stars It was the Anannuki from Nebiru It was the Hindu gods that made their monkey-men armies It is the same phenomena that is reported today in the UFO community It is the Ministry of L.A. MarzulliWe are approaching the same abominations that Noah experienced, and thus Jesus is coming soon.Mat 24:37 “For just as the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. It is the same phenomena that is reported today in the UFO community It is the Ministry of L.A. Marzulli It is the efforts of god-less communist in China
At the same time – global culture faces a Demographic Winter
At the same time particle physics is trying to open a door way into another dimension (CERN)Has CERN Opened A Portal To Another Dimension At ... - Yahoohttps://www.yahoo.com › news › has-cern-opened-a-po... Jun 30, 2016 — Spoiler: it's probably just a cloud, but that hasn't stopped UFO fans and conspiracy theorists panicking. The rather alarming picture of ... CERN—looking for God particle, or opening portals of hell?blogs.timesofisrael.com › cern-looking-for-god-... Oct 18, 2020 — ... entitled “CERN Is Seeking Secrets of the Universe, or Maybe Opening the Portal of Hell”, regarding the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), ... CERN scientists eye parallel universe breakthrough | Reutershttps://www.reuters.com › article › us-science-cern › ce... Oct 20, 2010 — Physicists probing the origins of the cosmos hope that next year they will turn up the first proofs of the existence of concepts long dear ... Scientists attempting to open portal to a parallel universe - The ...https://www.independent.co.uk › Science Jul 4, 2019 — Does a mysterious mirror world lurk in the shadows of perceived reality? It could explain a lot. DUH - ASK ANY CHRISTIAN Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. David Ike - just out side our field of vision are entities that are anything but human - and thay have been manipulating this WORLD from the outside for eonsQuestion: How much of the DNA has mankind actually read so far?Answer: the TATA protein code sequences so far? Not sure what your TATS protein is in reference to – but The Human genome has been mapped In fact – the complete genome is mapped for a zillion bacteriumWhat does this mean to someone outside of genetics? You ask – how much of our DNA has man read Answer – all of it Your question should be – how much of that DNA do we understand Answer – only about 4% I write – I find this fascinating because – Newtonian Orbital Mechanics only works on a galactic scale if – 96% of the mass is missing – this ‘Dark Matter’ – it must be there we just cannot see it Therefore trillions of code instructions are still required to be searched?Correct – but what does it mean to map a genome?I am exaggerating the numbers to make a point because I don’t have the time to look them up But it works like this If you laid the DNA of a bacteria, a slug, a dog, an ape, and man side by side All of them are very close to one another Example – all of them are exactly identical for 50% between a fox and a dog might they might be 68% identical between an ape and a man = we are 98.8% identical To think we have mapped the building code for each organism is error We have mapped the differencesYour paper was about comparing Red Fox DNA with dogs To isolate that one sequence that is common only to dogs (actually only to canine) These “maps” help us to identify what we have as an unknown – You cannot identify a bacterium by just looking at it This is exactly how the scientific taxonomic tree works So much work and effort it put into this by a zillion scientists all over the world And when they look at the organization of your KINDS – they all giggle and laugh at the buffooneryWhy does ‘creation science’ fight the empirical evidence?Answer – they would have to admit error and they stand on the authority of the Bible If they are wrong – what does that say able the Bible? AND THIS IS EXACTLY ICRs MESSAGE TO THE WORLD The Bible is a Fairy Tail – a work of fiction Now choose sides – Empirical Evidence and common sense or a Bible of error
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 4:13:18 GMT -5
You make many useful comments for me to think about. creation.com/min-kind-hebrewThis one got me reading, what do you think of this link? I will get back to you. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 4, 2021 11:12:53 GMT -5
You make many useful comments for me to think about.BEFORE WE SAY ANOTHER WORD – please readponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=psychologyMy POINT – my aim is not to confuse or cast doubt My goal is to stop and pause and consider – how do I know what I think I know? I am an independent intelligent (try to be) individual If my government wants me to rally behind – the only good Indian is a dead Indian Or – all Japs are the enemy – or all Russians are the enemy – I am supposed to be intelligent enough to know better If my father, or school, or my friends tell me all Blacks are bad – I am supposed to be intelligent enough to know better If my church tells me Jews are evil and they did not know God – I am supposed to be intelligent enough to know better If my church tells me – there are more than One True God – I am supposed to be intelligent enough to know better Creation –vrs- EvolutionAs someone that believes in “Intelligent Design” – that design could not have happed by chance or natural selection YET – the Empirical Evidence –presented as evolution - from the multiplicity of science is overwhelming School children take their questions to church and get NO ANSWERS – NO SATISFACTION If you ask your question in school – you are branded as a fundamentalist – peer pressure If I turn to creationism – I am told so many things that just don’t add up – and told to choose Then there is the Robert approach – all science is error – all history is error – the only truth is what your religious group preaches Enough! – Stop telling what to think! And why I throw away the traditional ‘Christian ‘label – to separate myself from all the ‘isms’ and ‘doctrines’ Jesus Christ is the Messiah He did not come to change the theology (Mat 5) – he came to fully explain/fulfill/translateYHWY told Israel – walk with Me and I’ll be your salvation And the saga of Israel in the ahl is nation against nation – on a WORLD stage Yes – some found personal revelation Jesus said – I am YHWY – and I am your salvation And the saga of the agl is all about me and you (personally) and the WORLD Believe and be my people and I will be your salvation Yes – some found personal revelation Then 2000 years later Israel again became a nation And the saga of Israel is nation against nation – on a WORLD stage Who is their ally? White Western Christendom – the lost Northern 10 Kingdoms – Gentiles The Great Divorce: The Kingdom Divided (1 Kings 12) Israel/Samaria The First wave of the loss was Phoenician expansion of the Mediterranean The SECOND wave was the release from Babylon by Cyrus White Scandinavia and Russia + White Europe – who then spread Christianity to all of White Dominated Western Christendom Remarriage of the Divided Kingdoms Jer 3 + Book of Hosea Who is their ally? White Western Christendom – the lost Northern 10 Kingdoms – Gentiles creation.com/min-kind-hebrew This one got me reading, what do you think of this link?The Hebrew – best answerEither the collective or distributive meaning is suggested for some examples of the expression As for the GreekThe Septuagint does not represent the suffix ‘his’, and the word genos (though historically related via Latin to our word ‘genus’) is probably a collective, since it can mean both ‘family’ and ‘race’. Unfortunately we do not know whether it is collective in the sense that Driver maintained, that is, denotes a number of separate types of life, or is collective in the sense of denoting a number of different individual creatures which constitute only one type of life. Later occurrences in Genesis use the simpler phrase kata genos “according to kind”, Do you see the Roman Edit here – stands out to me like glaringly obviousword genos (though historically related via Latin to our word ‘genus’) is probably a collective, The reasoning here = in a different language a 1000 years after this was written it meant something we see historically – therefore we can back date the meaning – NO YOU CAN NOT!G1085 – γένος – genos - From G1096; “kin” (abstractly or concretely, literally or figuratively, individually or collectively): - born, country (-man), diversity, generation, kind (-red), nation, offspring, stock. Yes – genos can mean race or nation – as in I am an American – I am of the genos AmericaGen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. (LXX) τοῦ γένους αὐτῆς, - the genos of himGen 19:38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day. (LXX) τοῦ γένους μου· οὗτος – his genos belong to himGen 25:17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, a hundred and thirty and seven years; and he expireth, and dieth, and is gathered unto his people; (LXX) τὸ γένος αὐτοῦ. – the genos of himGen 34:16 Then we’ll give you our daughters and take your daughters for ourselves, and live with you, and become one people. (LXX) ὡς γένος – one genosG1078 – γένεσις – genesis - From the same as G1074; nativity; figuratively nature: - generation, Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Gen 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, Gen 7:14 They, and every beast after his kind(γένος), and all the cattle after their kind(γένος), and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind(γένος), and every fowl after his kind(γένος), every bird of every sort. For people (γένος) never means growing into different species For people (γένος) always mean just more people – offspring of the same KIND A. Evolution says thoe ORDER happened by chance and natural selction B. Intelligent Design points to a Designer - Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2 C. Intelligent Design + Evolution = 99% of most Americans = Theistic Evolution D. Thiestic Evolution = Evolution is valid/correct but God directed it - so it turned out the way He wanted E. The church before Darwin said - I have NO ANSWERS - no one does - take it on faith F. The church today says - I have NO ANSWERS - HOWEVER the common knowledge - the common undestanding of the masses = the Emperical Evidence taught by science - through the supporter of evolution I have never studied the genome project for other animals - only human - and bacterium In Bacterium - their is no evolution - these guys change their internal function all the time to handel their environment In the beginning there was one E. coli bacteria - (I will call this E. coli 1) Today - (google) More than 700 serotypes of E. coli have been identified. Most varieties of E. coli are harmless or cause relatively brief diarrhea, but a few strains can cause severe abdominal cramps, bloody diarrhea and vomiting. For example - E. coli 501 = Travelers Dirriah - Bloody stools But as the bacteria grows and changes - it never become a new species Making bacteria in the lab - gene splicing In Australia scientist have invented a bacteria that eats plactic - the solution to polution Problem - clonal degregation If you make a clone - in about 50 copies / 50 generations the genome corrupts Gene splicing - adds a segment of gene from another source - istn't that hard But as that hybrid grows - over generations - that genome segment will shut down / corrupt / become inactive
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 14:28:12 GMT -5
Following Dave's lead, I read his article: D" We are all going to die. The weight of evidence throughout the history of all mankind supports this truth. R" Not all of us will die, Enoch never died Elijah never died The 144,000 humans on earth in the end of time, never die, they walk right into heaven with Jesus. D" As Gravity or speed, increases, times slows and time and gravity become measurable at different rates at different locations.R" The key to your confusion is written yourself " at different locations" Inside the ark and outside the ark does not qualify as different locations, so you are wrong. These are not different frames of reference for time, therefore the ark, both inside and outside travelled 430 days on the great flood. ( you oppose this idea, though) Again during Creation, all the events happened on earth, by process on earth, " not different locations" so the Creation took just 6 literal days of time, relative to earth. Notice I always speak of frames of reference and I always state the location of the frame of reference. ( you oppose this idea, too) D" Remember, there was a time, not that long ago, that our species believed that the earth was flat. R" Issac Newton wrote the earth as round. Bible says the earth is round. Only those who forget God's words have come to follow Satan and His words that oppose God at every level, opposite even. D" I adopt this strategy/methodology in the search for a more meaningful truth. I intend to examine the issue from as many different perspectives as possible. Giving each perspective weight, yet understanding that any one perspective never includes the entire story.
R" Therefore you see Scripture as just one witness of the truth, not the absolute witness of truth. Here we disagree. I see Scripture and Scripture only, the Hebrew tells your the truth across the OT and NT. Let the message of God talk to you, not the human penmen, but the inspired message of the penmen. The fact you ignore some of God's words is to your own peril. The video you gave me to watch by LA speaks of the serpent race as fallen angels, is entirely opposing your view of archons and demigod processing with man. D" This also explains why a Catholic, a Baptist, and a Methodist can all read the same scripture and come away with three very different impressions.R" Very interesting statement, and you have a really good point here Dave. D" But after understanding the image better, our mind's eye has no problem seeing both img clearly. R" Hmm? Are you suggesting that truth can have other shades of meaning that is OK? D" The phenomena also explains why religious thinking can be the same for years and years, until some one charismatic sees it differently.R" Hmm? Maybe some things are hidden in Scripture, because we are not ready for more truth? D" However, this is also the same math that just cannot explain the relationships of galaxies to galaxies, unless 96% of the mass of the universe is missing. R" Why do you assume our truth is 96% missing? Explain Have you heard of the zero point energy field of the Father all around us? the 96% is here but not perceived. D" Where does instinct come form? R" Intelligent program written by God in animals that possess free will, but are limited by their reasoning. D" Whether it is the end result of natural selection, or direct intervention, could there be a genetic imprint that prevents us from seeing the obvious?R" I detect doubt here? D" Therefore, I separate my belief system into two parts. First, there are those very few, but very important, things that I personally accept on faith alone and define who I am. Additionally, and equally important, it must take into consideration as many different perspectives as possible to weed out the central truth.R" I detect doubt here? " weed out of Scripture a central truth"? Scripture does not say to weed out the errors in Scripture to find a central truth. Scripture says to add line upon line so to add all the points together and make a single harmony from them, added together. And do not add other lines outside Scripture unless that agrees with Scripture already. Have a ready of my views.... spiritualsprings.org/ss-756.htmNow read my theories of faith, written long before I met you. You point out Schroeder as a Jew following matters like you. Hmm? Notice how I use his views in part to support my own. The same way you use LZ in part to support your own view of the archons, not as fallen angels. I present a different view of things that your presentation, but we are both seeking the same truth. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 5, 2021 13:36:16 GMT -5
D"We are all going to die. The weight of evidence throughout the history of all mankind supports this truth. R" Not all of us will die, Good luck with those oddsD"As Gravity or speed, increases, times slows and time and gravity become measurable at different rates at different locations. R" The key to your confusion is written yourself " at different locations" You know the theorem = dependent upon the perspective of the viewInside the ark and outside the ark does not qualify as different locations, Is absolutely two different perspectivesD"Remember, there was a time, not that long ago, that our species believed that the earth was flat. R" Bible says the earth is round. Only those who forget God's words have come to follow Satan and His words that oppose God at every level, opposite even. So – you preach Isaiah’s view of the world? How does that fit with your creationism?This "scriptural" Round Flat Earth is also prsented as a religion today 100% validated by scripture - if you only consider their viewJust like - creationism is scriptural - if you only consider their view Just like - Catholic satan is real - if you only consider their view Just like - Allah is god - if you only consider their view Just like - SDA theology is GOLD - if you only consider Ellen Whites view Just like - evolution is real - if you only consider their view But if you consider all of it - it all points to the real truthI say they all speak about the same truth – do they all sound alike? Too bad this is too complicated for you to graspD"I adopt this strategy/methodology in the search for a more meaningful truth. I intend to examine the issue from as many different perspectives as possible. Giving each perspective weight, yet understanding that any one perspective never includes the entire story. R" Therefore you see Scripture as just one witness of the truth, Correct Robert – scripture is NOT the only witness to the truth – Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2 + WORLD History + true scienceRecognise what is in your sightHere we disagreeI know – you preach a fallen WORLD – it only witnesses to your satan godThe Catholics are not 100% correct are they? The Mormon are not 100% correct are they? The Baptist are not 100% correct are they? 2500 Christian denomination – which one is correct – Only the SDA according to you I say they all speak about the same truth – do they all sound alike? Too bad this is too complicated for you to graspD"However, this is also the same math that just cannot explain the relationships of galaxies to galaxies, unless 96% of the mass of the universe is missing. R" Why do you assume our truth is 96% missing? ExplainI said mass – why do you need to misrepresent and lie to make a point? Buy a text bookTelescope to Hunt for Missing 96% of the Universe - Science ...https://science.time.com › 2013/02/20 › telescope-to-hu... Feb 20, 2013 — Telescope to Hunt for Missing 96% of the Universe. One of astronomy's greatest riddles may be on the way to being solved. 96% of the Universe is missing - Wow! Really?www.wowreally.blog › 2006/11 › 96-of-universe-i... Nov 15, 2006 — Today, ordinary mass in the universe, the stuff we can see, is estimated ... of galaxies all show that the missing mass must be dark matter. Creation took just 6 literal days Absolutely - from God's perspectiveYou teach that the 7th Day - The day of rest - is no longer open to Christians That Day 7 - closed almost 6000 years ago for you and the SDAI do not have to deny any scripture to make my theology correctI also do not have to incorporate evolution into my theology so all the animals fit on the Ark
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Post by Dillon on Nov 6, 2021 7:51:31 GMT -5
How Can We Enter into God’s Rest? And that brings us back to the passage in Hebrews. Hebrews seems to have been written by a pastor to his congregation. And in Hebrews 3:7-4:11 he is warning them against falling away. His warning against apostasy is beyond the scope of this article. But he does make extensive use of the passages mentioned above in both Genesis and the 95th Psalm to make his point.
Psalm 95:7-11 is central to the point the pastor is making. The generation coming out of Egypt repeatedly tried and tested God with their disobedience. And because of that God swore they would never enter into his rest.
In Hebrews 4:1, he comments that the promise of entering into God’s rest still stands. The generation leaving Egypt failed to enter. And even though Joshua took them into Canaan, they failed to enter into God’s rest (Hebrews 4:78). So there are still those who will enter into that rest (Hebrews 4:6).
So who will enter that rest? The author of Hebrews understands that those who believe will enter God’s rest (Hebrews 4:3), the people of God (Hebrews 4:9). God’s rest first expressed in Genesis, and promised to Abraham and Israel, is still available to all who will believe and cease from their own labors.
What Is God’s Rest? God’s rest is not a time of relaxation. It is still a time of activity and work. It is a state, or place, where God rules and manages his creation, free from the chaos and disorder brought about by sin and rebellion. It is God’s kingdom.
All who will rest from their own work, the work of bringing your own life and world under control, can enter into God’s rest. We would generally call this salvation. And God’s rest would equate to the Kingdom of God.
While this world is fallen and outside of God’s rest, that rest remains. And the promise of entering into his rest remains as well. So make every effort to enter into it (Hebrews 4:11).
Day 7 remains and we can enter into that day with God. Why would a church preach it is closed to man?
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Post by Dave on Nov 6, 2021 15:42:33 GMT -5
Agreed – Day 7 – is still ongoing and open for those who become First Fruits Straight to the bosom of Abraham – Luke 16 – Luke 23:43 – Enoch – Elijah - Steven www.gci.org/articles/entering-gods-rest-a-study-of-hebrews-4/To make the point, the author quotes Psalm 95:7-11: Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, as on the day of testing in the wilderness, where your ancestors put me to the test, though they had seen my works for forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, and I said, ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not known my ways.’ As in my anger I swore, ‘They will not enter my rest.’” (Hebrews 3:7-11). Does this mean none are saved – NO It just means they will all await the First Resurrection with all the other that ‘believers’ Don’t be like your disbelieving, disobedient ancestors, he says. They refused God so many times that he set them aside and shut them out. Don’t test his patience, he seems to say. Listen to what God is saying now. To develop this point, he elaborates on the last part of the quote from Psalm 95: “They will not enter my rest.” What is this “rest,” and what can we learn from it in connection with Jesus? This brings us to chapter 4. How we enter (verses 1-5) “Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest is still open, let us take care that none of you should seem to have failed to reach it.” We can paraphrase the thought in this way: God makes it possible for us to enter his rest, so we need to make sure that we accept his offer. If we do not keep our faith in him (the main exhortation of this book), we will fail to enter. How do we enter? Verse 2 tells us, “For indeed the good news came to us just as to them; but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.” The author urges us to be diligent, then he talks about “the good news.” This implies that we enter God’s rest by means of the gospel. But wait! Didn’t God rest thousands of years ago? How can it be possible for us to enter something that is long gone? The author deals with this objection by bringing it up: “…although his works were finished at the foundation of the world. For in one place it speaks about the seventh day as follows, ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.’” Genesis tells us that God rested on the seventh day (Genesis 2:2). That is, he had finished the creation. (He continues to work in the sense of upholding all things.) But the author of Hebrews observes that God’s work has been finished ever since, which means that God is still resting. God is still in his rest, and it is open for humans to enter. It was available for the ancient Israelites; otherwise there would be no point in saying, “They will not enter my rest.” God’s rest was available to them, but they refused to enter. Correct – no new creation after Day 6Still available for us (verses 6-8) God’s rest is available to us, too: “it remains open for some to enter it.” The offer is still open, and it is made even more clear and compelling through Jesus Christ. The Israelites at the time of Moses, “those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience.” Their disobedience was evidence of their lack of faith. They did not believe that God would give them what he had promised. God “sets a certain day—‘today’—saying through David much later, in the words already quoted, ‘Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.’” Many years after Moses, God again spoke about rest, urging people to not harden their hearts and thereby fail to enter his rest. Hear him today, David urged. The offer was still good. People could enter God’s rest, could be secure in his promise, if they listened with faith and willingness. But didn’t the people enter God’s rest when they entered the Promised Land? No. “For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not [through David] speak later about another day.” The “rest” that Psalm 95 was speaking of was not the Promised Land. It was something that the Israelites, with few exceptions, failed to enter. They did not respond to God with faith and willingness. Our Sabbath-rest (verses 9-11) The author then concludes: “So then, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God.” Is he bringing up a new subject? No — he is still on the same subject, using different words to develop it further. He is saying, Since people did not enter God’s rest in Moses’ day, nor in Joshua’s day, and yet we are still exhorted in the Psalms about God’s rest, the conclusion is that this rest still remains for the people of God today. It is still available. ABSOLUTELY AGREE – Day 7 is remains – it is still ongoing = Day 7 is not 24hrs - impossibleWhy does he call this a sabbath rest? He is not slipping in a command for the seventh-day Sabbath. That would be totally out of context. His exhortation throughout this book is telling Jewish people to look to Jesus. He is not urging them to do a better job of keeping Jewish customs. The ancient Israelites, even though they had the Sabbath, did not enter the rest he is talking about. God’s rest is entered by faith — by believing the gospel (verses 3-4). The author is not interested in a day of the week — he is concerned about how people respond to Jesus. A person who keeps the weekly Sabbath but rejects Christ has not entered God’s rest. We enter God’s rest only by believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why does he call this a sabbath rest? By using this word, he indicates that this is what the weekly Sabbath pointed to. Just as the bronze snake pointed to Jesus’ crucifixion (John 3:14-15), and the washings pointed to forgiveness, and the sacrifices pointed to Jesus, similarly, the weekly Sabbath pointed to something spiritual: our rest through faith in Christ. It is available — we may enter God’s rest. Don’t put it off — do it today!Robert preaches – our only hope is the grave and await the First Resurrection God / Christ / scripture askes more of us - than to hold down a church pew and feel arrogant and smug
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 3:44:18 GMT -5
D" Is absolutely two different perspectivesR" Wow, so un-scientific to say this. So place two atomic clocks on a rocket travelling at 70% of the speed of light, one clock inside rocket and one on the outside the rocket, and the clocks will be different in times. I doubt this because both clocks are travelling at the same speed. The same would apply to clocks inside and outside the ark travelling on the waters, on the earth. The ark speed was of the order of less than 30m/s so the clock times even if possible to Dave would be of the order of differences to the 70th decimal place, so infinitesimal to be insignificant. D" So – you preach Isaiah’s view of the world? How does that fit with your creationism?The Hebrew word for circle here in Isaiah means sphere, a ball of the earth, not a circular flat earth. D"I said mass – why do you need to misrepresent and lie to make a point? Buy a text bookR" OK, so why do you assume the universe is 96% more mass than we can normally measure? D"I also do not have to incorporate evolution into my theology so all the animals fit on the ArkR" Explain your diagram than, with branches from each species, looks like evolution branches to me, and you mock me saying the kinds underwent changes. Look at your diagram, with all those branches of changes. Dillon asks " Day 7 remains and we can enter into that day with God. Why would a church preach it is closed to man? Rob replies" Who says God's rest is closed, the SDA doesn't? D" Why does he call this a sabbath rest? R" Dave is hard to follow on this idea. Where does the Greek say it's a Sabbath rest? The Greek is "katapausis" clearly the word "Sabbath" is not implied. Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest "sabbatismos" This word is close though, the Hebrew word here is this Le 23:3 is the sabbath "shabbath" of rest "shabbathown" So I think this "shabbathown"/"sabbatismos" is referring to the salvation rest we are guaranteed if we support Jesus the Author of our Salvation and our Sabbath Rest. See the feasts unto Jesus in Lev 23. D"scripture askes more of us - than to hold down a church pew and feel arrogant and smugR" Yes, we are to amanuah Jesus to be saved. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 9, 2021 11:36:38 GMT -5
D" Is absolutely two different perspectives R" Wow, so un-scientific to say this. Buy a text book – you do not know what scientific means D"I also do not have to incorporate evolution into my theology so all the animals fit on the Ark R" Explain your diagram than, with branches from each species, looks like evolution branches to me, and you mock me saying the kinds underwent changes. Look at your diagram, with all those branches of changes. YEP – that is exactly my point Robert – just look at this diagram from Creationism This image is a screenshot from Answers in Genesis video “Do Animals Evolve” by Bryan Osborne. This image represents all the KINDS and how they branched out to make all the species
Maybe the creation institutes full image of kinds dispels evolution betterBut every image says – this is not evolution – that makes it betterDillon asks "Day 7 remains and we can enter into that day with God. Why would a church preach it is closed to man? Rob replies" Who says God's rest is closed, the SDA doesn't? Rob demands day = 24hrs – after creation God had 2h4hrs rest and that day was over long ago Or Rob says that Day 7 God’s Day of Rest is still ongoing He can’t seem to make up his mindD"scripture askes more of us - than to hold down a church pew and feel arrogant and smug R" Yes, we are to amanuah Jesus to be saved. Sounds pretty selfish A Rabbi would say - God set us apart—“I appointed you prophet to the nations.” Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Torah?” Mat 22:37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ What does it mean to love your neighbor – witness to them – produce fruit - for the Lord – for the Glory of God
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 14:35:30 GMT -5
Interesting comments Dave I would imagine you might consider this diagram than. The variation after the flood was to fill a fallen world, some niches are different over the earth. Today we term the canine as different species when in fact they are all canine kinds. Does variation exist today? Yes When in PNG I saw with my eyes Co=Magnon man walking around in living colour, raised eyes brow, sloping backward skull, a SDA Pastor even of a remote PNG village, far remote and not easily known by the science world. He was short but burly. Every canine kind (dog) in PNG is vegetarian, they do not eat flesh, they use their teeth to husk coconut and potatoes. Hence a skinny canine lives in PNG. So variation does not mean evolution, it's just phenotype expressions arising from genetype already in the code. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 9, 2021 15:05:17 GMT -5
I would imagine you might consider this diagram than. Yep – rapid speciation after the floodThe variation after the flood was to fill a fallen world, Yep – rapid speciation after the flood = evolutionsome niches are different over the earth. Yep – things evolved to fill all the nichesDoes variation exist today? Yes When in PNG I saw with my eyes Co=Magnon man walking around in living colour, So – you teach evolution of manSo variation does not mean evolution, it's just phenotype expressions arising from genetype already in the code. This is the claim of creationistMultiple species today all originated from a common ancestor that stepped off the Ark Evolution say the exact same phrase – we all had a common ancestorSpeciation | Answers in Genesisanswersingenesis.org › natural-selection › speciat... The term rapid speciation is no joke when it comes to the marbled crayfish. ... July 30, 2016 from The Origin of Species After the Flood. Did Modern Animals Evolve From the Inhabitants of the Ark?biologos.org › articles › did-modern-animals-ev... Aug 31, 2016 — Proposed rapid post-flood speciation via natural selection and genetic drift—the mechanisms of evolution—is Answers in Genesis's attempt to ... You visited this page on 11/9/21. Is Ken Ham's Rapid Post-Flood Diversification Really Evolution?thenaturalhistorian.com › 2015/12/18 › is-ken-h... Dec 18, 2015 — “Rapid diversification is what we would expect from plant species early on in the post-Flood world. Genetic drift, natural selection, mutation, ... Speciation and the Animals on the Ark - The Institute for ...https://www.icr.org › article › speciation-animals-ark Apr 1, 2009 — Because of the small populations of animals immediately after the Flood, gene (allele) frequencies would rapidly be altered as animals ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 4:05:29 GMT -5
OK so you're not an evolutionist, and here you are mocking the creationist.
What theories of creation do you have Dave?
Where did the species come from after the Great Flood?
Start by explaining the 300 species of gum trees in Australia, and why only 4 species of kangaroos in Australia?
What do you have to limit God's ability to encode variety in the geneotype?
For example explain how the 4 species of kangaroos only ended up in Australia, and no where else along the journey from Aarat to Australia?
Evolution is the increase in brand new geneotype within an animal. Creation Speciation is just the switching on and off of geneotype within an animal, that may be required if the animal choosing these genes over time or not. There is no brand new increase in genetype at all, compared to evolutionary theory; the animal has all the code it requires already.
So you see Dave these definitions are completely different from each other.
Shalom
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