Post by Dave on Feb 20, 2021 11:19:48 GMT -5
R" I like what Jeff Benner is achieving, making the English fit the Hebrew, not make the Hebrew fit the English.
He says it is possible for a single English word to replace a single Hebrew word, all the time. I believe this also.
I have asked you to give me an example – you have not
Give me a one English word that fully conveys all the meaning of Hebrew satan
That one English word = satan – ZERO Polsemy
But as you say it's also hard to achieve.
For instance, faith in English has 7 Hebrew words, all meaning faith or slight differences of faith.
This is a great example of your error
7 Hebrews words – all translated into just one English word
Then you argue one English word = one Hebrew word
R" I like what Jeff Benner is achieving, making the English fit the Hebrew, not make the Hebrew fit the English.
He says it is possible for a single English word to replace a single Hebrew word, all the time
Each Hebrew word has one meaning agreed
But words have nothing to do with
Isa 28:9 To whom will He teach knowledge? To whom will He explain the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just taken from the breast?
Isa 28:10 For it must be ‘precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.’
H6673 –(strongs) צָו צַו - From H6680; an injunction: - commandment, precept.
H6673 (Blue Letter Lexicon) command, ordinance, oracle
Hos 5:11 (TLV) Oppressed is Ephraim, crushed by judgment, for he willingly followed a worthless thing.
Hos 5:11 (KJV) Ephraim is oppressed and broken in judgment, because he willingly walked after the commandment.
Hos 5:11 (YLT) Oppressed is Ephraim, broken in judgment, When he pleased he went after the command.
H6673 – does not mean “a single word” – it means “precept’ / commandment / instruction
Precept
1 a general rule intended to regulate behavior or thought.
"the legal precept of being innocent until proven guilty"
Similar: principle, tenet, canon, code, doctrine, guideline, working principle, law, ordinance, statute, command, order, decree, mandate, dictate, dictum, directive, direction, instruction, injunction, prescription, commandment, mitzvah
2. a writ or warrant.
"the Commissioner issued precepts requiring the companies to provide information"
(internet) What is the meaning of Precept upon precept?
The meaning is, 'there is a constant repetition of the command, without ornament, imagery, or illustration; without an appeal to our understanding, or respect for our reason; it is simply one mandate after another, just as lessons are inculcated upon children. '
You Robert Method is flawed – based upon an incorrect word cross-reference
Isa 28:10 (LXX) θλῖψιν ἐπὶ θλῖψιν προσδέχου, ἐλπίδα ἐπ᾿ ἐλπίδι, ἔτι μικρὸν ἔτι μικρὸν
θλῖψιν ἐπὶ θλῖψιν
G2347 – θλίψις - From G2346; pressure (literally or figuratively): - afflicted, (-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.
The KJV translates Strong's G2347 in the following manner: tribulation (21x), affliction (17x), trouble (3x), anguish (1x), persecution (1x), burdened (1x), to be afflicted (with G1519) (1x).
Pressure upon pressure – burden upon burden – trouble upon trouble
προσδέχου, - verb
The KJV translates Strong's G4327 in the following manner: look for (4x), wait for (3x), receive (3x), waited for (with G2258) (1x), allow (1x), take (1x), accept (1x).
ἐλπίδα ἐπ᾿ ἐλπίδι
The KJV translates Strong's G1680 in the following manner: hope (53x), faith (1x).
Hope upon hope – faith upon faith
μικρὸν ἔτι μικρὸν
The KJV translates Strong's G3398 in the following manner: little (14x), least (6x), small (6x), less (2x).
Little upon little
The smallest part of it upon the smallest part of it
Translation
Receive / accept – (tribulation/affliction/trouble/burden) upon (tribulation/affliction/trouble/burden)
Faith/hope upon hope/faith – the least and smallest part
Jas 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
Jas 1:4 And let endurance have its perfect work, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
This passage is so much deeper than just word upon word - word- game
FYI - For precept: Isa_28:13, Isa_5:4; Deu_6:1-6; 2Ch_36:15-16; Neh_9:29-30; Jer_11:7, Jer_25:3-7; Mat_21:34-41; Php_3:1; 2Ti_3:7; Heb_5:12
He says it is possible for a single English word to replace a single Hebrew word, all the time. I believe this also.
I have asked you to give me an example – you have not
Give me a one English word that fully conveys all the meaning of Hebrew satan
That one English word = satan – ZERO Polsemy
But as you say it's also hard to achieve.
For instance, faith in English has 7 Hebrew words, all meaning faith or slight differences of faith.
This is a great example of your error
7 Hebrews words – all translated into just one English word
Then you argue one English word = one Hebrew word
R" I like what Jeff Benner is achieving, making the English fit the Hebrew, not make the Hebrew fit the English.
He says it is possible for a single English word to replace a single Hebrew word, all the time
Each Hebrew word has one meaning agreed
But words have nothing to do with
Isa 28:9 To whom will He teach knowledge? To whom will He explain the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just taken from the breast?
Isa 28:10 For it must be ‘precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.’
H6673 –(strongs) צָו צַו - From H6680; an injunction: - commandment, precept.
H6673 (Blue Letter Lexicon) command, ordinance, oracle
Hos 5:11 (TLV) Oppressed is Ephraim, crushed by judgment, for he willingly followed a worthless thing.
Hos 5:11 (KJV) Ephraim is oppressed and broken in judgment, because he willingly walked after the commandment.
Hos 5:11 (YLT) Oppressed is Ephraim, broken in judgment, When he pleased he went after the command.
H6673 – does not mean “a single word” – it means “precept’ / commandment / instruction
Precept
1 a general rule intended to regulate behavior or thought.
"the legal precept of being innocent until proven guilty"
Similar: principle, tenet, canon, code, doctrine, guideline, working principle, law, ordinance, statute, command, order, decree, mandate, dictate, dictum, directive, direction, instruction, injunction, prescription, commandment, mitzvah
2. a writ or warrant.
"the Commissioner issued precepts requiring the companies to provide information"
(internet) What is the meaning of Precept upon precept?
The meaning is, 'there is a constant repetition of the command, without ornament, imagery, or illustration; without an appeal to our understanding, or respect for our reason; it is simply one mandate after another, just as lessons are inculcated upon children. '
You Robert Method is flawed – based upon an incorrect word cross-reference
Isa 28:10 (LXX) θλῖψιν ἐπὶ θλῖψιν προσδέχου, ἐλπίδα ἐπ᾿ ἐλπίδι, ἔτι μικρὸν ἔτι μικρὸν
θλῖψιν ἐπὶ θλῖψιν
G2347 – θλίψις - From G2346; pressure (literally or figuratively): - afflicted, (-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.
The KJV translates Strong's G2347 in the following manner: tribulation (21x), affliction (17x), trouble (3x), anguish (1x), persecution (1x), burdened (1x), to be afflicted (with G1519) (1x).
Pressure upon pressure – burden upon burden – trouble upon trouble
προσδέχου, - verb
The KJV translates Strong's G4327 in the following manner: look for (4x), wait for (3x), receive (3x), waited for (with G2258) (1x), allow (1x), take (1x), accept (1x).
ἐλπίδα ἐπ᾿ ἐλπίδι
The KJV translates Strong's G1680 in the following manner: hope (53x), faith (1x).
Hope upon hope – faith upon faith
μικρὸν ἔτι μικρὸν
The KJV translates Strong's G3398 in the following manner: little (14x), least (6x), small (6x), less (2x).
Little upon little
The smallest part of it upon the smallest part of it
Translation
Receive / accept – (tribulation/affliction/trouble/burden) upon (tribulation/affliction/trouble/burden)
Faith/hope upon hope/faith – the least and smallest part
Jas 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
Jas 1:4 And let endurance have its perfect work, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
This passage is so much deeper than just word upon word - word- game
FYI - For precept: Isa_28:13, Isa_5:4; Deu_6:1-6; 2Ch_36:15-16; Neh_9:29-30; Jer_11:7, Jer_25:3-7; Mat_21:34-41; Php_3:1; 2Ti_3:7; Heb_5:12
