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May 28, 2012 16:10:33 GMT -5
Post by Virginia on May 28, 2012 16:10:33 GMT -5
Nasa said recently that they think the moon is hollow. They claim when they crashed a satellite into the moon "it rang like a bell". They claim there are holes on the moon that are bottomless. What do you know? I don't know what to think.
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May 29, 2012 16:56:59 GMT -5
Post by Dave on May 29, 2012 16:56:59 GMT -5
The moon is indeed a very interesting place -- before I answer your question, I want to share with you my most favorite "Moon Movie." www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOsZyjRvDsYou can just click on this link and it should take you directly to the movie. If that doesn't work for you. You and copy and paste it into your browser's address bar. Last resort - spell it exactly as above in your browser's address bar. This is absolutely the best film. What I mean is that many films have an obvious bias so their conclusions are always leading and read things into images that I never see myself. Enterprise-Mission-dot-com is a perfect example. Richard c Hogeland sat next to Walter Cronkite ans a NASA adviser during the 1969 moon landing. On his website he post images all the time and says - look buildings. I don't see it. So check out the movie above - "Moon Rising" - 1hr and 13 min - and then you and I can have this conversation about: Life on the moon - yes UFOs on the moon - yes Openings on the moon that lead to interior caverns - yes As for HOLLOW MOON? or even the idea of HOLLOW EARTH? I want to make the following clarification in vocabulary: HOLLOW like a ball, balloon, or light bulb with nothing inside - NO BUT, riddled with tunnels, caves, and cavers like an ant hill - yes Let me know when you have seen it - this is a conversation I would love to have. I just think we need this movie as common ground so we are both talking about the exact same thing. Hope you had a good holiday weekend.
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May 30, 2012 10:08:10 GMT -5
Post by Virginia on May 30, 2012 10:08:10 GMT -5
Talking about caverns I just watched a show on tv about Bigfoot wherein they think Bigfoot and other monster beings all around the world must travel thru caverns and underground tunnels because you do not see them traveling down the freeways. But they can track their sightings across the land. In response to the moon NASA says they need to check out the dark side of the moon because there are out cropings that look man made.
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May 30, 2012 21:01:18 GMT -5
Post by Richard on May 30, 2012 21:01:18 GMT -5
I hope you see how interwoven all these different post are. One of the mistakes everybody makes is that people see history as many different stories, separate, and independent from each other. There is not 15-30 different histories all playing out into today. There is only one history and these 15-30 different (seemingly different histories) all blend into different facts of the one. Tunnels spanning the globe? HUMMMMM? ? There are more than one method of traveling the globe without being seen. By UFO - maybe - I have some friends that will jump up and down swearing that Big Foot is actually an agent of an Alien force. I also, entertain the idea of some of the UFOs and beings such as Big Foot being dimensional. Slipping into alternate dimensions to be hidden from view. The dimensional connection sounds very new age - but it is actually a common belief of many Indian folk lore of the Pacific Northwest. Dave shared the Moon Rising movie with me when it first came out and I agree that of all the UFO conspiracy documentaries available - it rates right up there as one of my favorite ones as well. My brother-in-law always considered me a wako, until I shared the movie with him as well.
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May 31, 2012 9:21:00 GMT -5
Post by Virginia on May 31, 2012 9:21:00 GMT -5
I watched the movie about the moon and it confirmed what I already knew. Did NASA know there were civilizations on the moon before we landed and did they give us permission to land? Why didn,t they ask the aliens where they came from or did they? If alien civilizations are on the moon why are people spending millions of dollars searching for them? A private group sent a rockrt last week to the space station with supplies . It will return today by spashing down. It was called space x. Will private companies going into outer space reveal the truth or will they be silenced like all the others?
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May 31, 2012 11:31:13 GMT -5
Post by Dave on May 31, 2012 11:31:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the PM and I am glad you liked the movie. Of all the documentaries out there this one movie is absolutely the most credible - for me anyway.
Did we know before we went there? - The answer lays with the conversation about Werner Von Brawn. He knew that what was next in our Geo-political scene was - our space based weapon systems to protect us from: 1) the Russians 2) Terrorist and finally 3) Aliens. How did he know that back in the 1960s?
Remember, he was a German working for Hitler. The first guy to develop a working V2. How many times have you heard stories about Hitler having external help from Aliens? WWII Germany was trying to develop their own working flying saucers. Even Von Brawn's mentor admits - they had help.
Look at this interesting FACT about WWII Germany. One of the Alien species we are suppose to have contact with is an Alien race called the Nordics. Why are they called Nordics? Because they are fare skinned, blond haired, and blue eyed! Now consider this - Hitler's perfect Aryan human race was - get this - fare skinned, blond haired, and blue eyed. YET not one of Hitler's staff (or Hitler himself) was fare skinned, blond haired, or blued eyed.
Hitler's eugenics program was developed why? To bread better soldiers? To bread more intelligent Germans? NO - but to bread fare skinned, blond haired, blue eyed Germans.
Think about it.
So, did we know before we went to the moon? Some did - but President Kennedy didn't. If any force - Alien or not - stopped our race to the moon; the entire country (and much of the world) would have been up in arms and full disclosure would have come in the 60s. Our space craft were allowed to get to the moon. Apollo 8 reported (once seeing the back side of the moon) that Santa Claus was alive and well. (NASA code talk for Aliens). Remember, John Glenn was the first to report "FIREFLIES" buzzing all around his spaceship.
Remember, all of the astronauts were picked after being through rigorous psychological screenings - to ensure they could handle the rigors of space travel - to ensure they could keep a secret.
Did we know before we went? - a few did, but the masses didn't have a clue and it had to stay that way.
Another reason out space program was allowed to develop was to bring into common knowledge technologies share with us at Rosewell and other locations. Where did the microchip come from? Our space program! and many more cutting edge advancements in electronics. Why electronics? (That is another long discussion.)
One of the points made in the Moon Rising movie is why all these other countries are wanting to go to the moon. Moon rocks? NO Instead, these countries are spending the money to get there just so they know what we know.
Space-X is an amazing company. (Actually, I sent them my resume in 2010) The whole secret of Space-X is that they went backward in technology. Look at the Russians. Their rockets have evolved very little since 1960. They use many smaller and simpler rocket engines burning a very simple rocket fuel - kerosine and oxygen. Space-X's Falcon 9 rocket has 9 rocket engines all burning simple kerosine and oxygen.
Private space craft is the next step in the full disclosure process. NASA and USA made a deal with Aliens not to go back or reveal what they know. Evidently, so did Russia (another long discussion). Did Space-X? Has every private company? Even if they have - the more that know - the more that leaks - the more that leaks - the more we move closer to full disclosure.
Remember the words of Werner Von Brawn; after the terrorist threat, we will need our space based weapons to fend off Alien forces. BUT IT IS ALL A LIE. Think about that! What is the lie? Is the lie that there are Aliens?-NO Is the lie that these Aliens are here to harm us? Think about it! It becomes obvious that these same Aliens have always been here - from the very beginning of human history. If we are at war with them - humanity would have lost years ago!
So, whats up with these moon dwelling Aliens? It is obvious it isn't a shooting war - they are not here to conquer or invade. So, what are they doing here? Lets recap what we know so far.
They have been with humanity since the beginning of history (Ancient Aliens) Although having always been here - they make great efforts to remain unseen - hidden
They use genetics to manipulate 1/2 breed creatures - Why? Because after the flood (and earth is no longer a gas giant protoplanet) these Aliens can not live here. They live in space environments - the moon - and the other 7 visible planets of our solar system.
In Gnostic beliefs, Archons are planetary rulers and guardians of the spiritual planes. The Archons were associated with the planets of our solar system, or more precisely - the visible seven planets. The common language of the time was Greek. In Greek, Archon means authority and comes from the same root as archangel. They are presented as predatory beings that inhibit spiritual awakening by convincing humanity of a false reality; they are the forces of sin, fear, and temptation. (Robinson, James M., The Nag Hammadi Library, Hypostasis of the Archons, 1990, Harper, San Francisco, CA) Written within 1-30 years after Christ, by the brother of Christ.
They live in/on other planets. In fact they find themselves quite at home in planets that look like protoplanet earth. This is why they need our genetic material to build their agents, soldiers, and representatives that interact with us on earth. Alien Greys are often referred to as robotic in nature. These Alien Greys also have masters that control them from behind the scenes.
Tunnels? In the Moon? On earth? The best example here on earth is Dulce New Mexico. You spoke about Big Foot and tunnels. Is there any other evidence of tunnels or underground / under sea Alien bases?
The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it” (Job 1:6-12) Written 3000 yrs before Christ.
One last comment about out NASA astronauts. You should spend some time researching how being an astronaut changed their lives. Consider this:
Neil Armstrong was the leading investigator searching for underground Alien bases, or homes of the Aztec / Mayan god's in Latin America.
Wallie Schirra died searching for Noah's Ark
Even in the Moon Rising movie - Buzz Aldrin tells us that there is an oblique on Phobos, a moon of Mar's. Who did he say put it there? The universe - God.
Tag - your it.
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May 31, 2012 12:44:39 GMT -5
Post by Richard on May 31, 2012 12:44:39 GMT -5
What a cool direction to take the conversation. Here is another idea to consider about WWII and our Space Program.
Before WWII the US banking system and the world for the most part did away with the Gold Standard. In fact, before 1931 US dollars were printed as Gold and Silver certificates. For every dollar in circulation there had to be a dollar's worth of gold or silver in the bank.
Once off the gold countries can print money - or borrow money - out of thin air. The only way the US could fight WWII was to build and build weapons - ships, planes, and guns. All of this was on borrowed monies.
The 1950s saw borrowed monies necessary to handle the needs of the baby boomers. Monies are loaned out so our WWII heroes could buy houses and cars. Oh and don't forget our role as the world's police man beginning with Korea.
The 1960s not only see the creation of the space race and NASA that borrowed billions to get to the moon; but also saw the creation of President Johnson's "Great Society." Billions and trillions were borrowed to fund social programs, school grants, welfare, education, and to pay for the population's health care - medicare / medicaid. Oh - and don't forget Vietnam.
In the 70s - we are a moon landing superpower that knows no limit to addictive borrowing to fund our country.
The 1980 introduce the space shuttle - and we know how much that cost.
So here we are today, how many wars later? AND our economy is going in the same direction as Greece.
The world bank owns us. The money elects our leaders. The money dictates our policies. Not just here - but throughout the whole world.
"He who controls the money - controls the country" N. Rothschild 1793
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May 31, 2012 15:52:18 GMT -5
Post by Virginia on May 31, 2012 15:52:18 GMT -5
A guy named Brad Melser has a tv show where in he looks at misteries and unexplained stories. He recently did a show about Fort Knox and the fact there is no money left in Fort Knox rxcept for some money that may be there that belongs to other countries. Several of these countries are now asking for their gold. Our government is stalling by saying : how will the gold be moved to keep it safe and where will it be stored?Everyone has recently been asked to turn in their gold. When jewelry stores buy up your gold jewrely what dothey do with it? Does the government buy up this gold to try to replace the gold removed from Fort Knox?
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May 31, 2012 18:09:08 GMT -5
Post by Richard on May 31, 2012 18:09:08 GMT -5
In 1933 FDR signed the bill that required Americans to turn in all their gold supplies. Everything except gold coins. That law was rescinded in 1974.
Today you are allowed to own and hold gold as a private citizen. But beware of those adds wanting you to invest in gold. The gold offered is more expensive than the gold itself.
The argument to buy gold now is that whenever the USD devalues into nothing and becomes useless, gold will once again become the money of commerce.
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May 31, 2012 19:41:07 GMT -5
Post by Dave on May 31, 2012 19:41:07 GMT -5
Several times now I have attempted to show you how very scriptural the UFO / Alien controversy appears. Appears to me anyway!
Yet, you have successfully avoided responding.
So - let me ask you straight up: Is there a scriptural connection?
I probably do not need to say this - but - just to make it clear. There are no rules here. You can not offend anyone here - even if your position is that all scripture is bunk!
However, you must understand that with each conversation here; people are going to want to hear your reasons.
I have one more video clip I want you to see. If I stay awake longer than the kids - perhaps I'll try and upload it tonight.
Tag - your it.
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Jun 6, 2012 16:40:48 GMT -5
Post by Stella on Jun 6, 2012 16:40:48 GMT -5
I am new here. So, forgive me if I don't seem to be up to speed. But, I have never before thought of UFOs as being scriptural. The subject is never discussed in any church I have ever attended. Although, if the Bible is the complete story of creation, they must fit in there somewhere.
I also watched the video Dave recommended. It is hard to explain isn't it?
Through history I think the church frowned on such discussion as this one for fear the people would become sidetracked from spiritual pursuits. Yet, here we are today, and everyone is talking about UFOs and almost no one is talking about scripture. In fact, I see now that all society is sidetracked in non-scriptural discussions.
I was very hesitant to join here because I was afraid of the direction of this discussion. I see now the point Dave is trying to make. All these non-scriptural discussion can lead us back to scripture, if we allow it to do so. When we are trained in mission work, we are taught to find common ground to build a connection, before we can lead them to Christ.
I can see now that is exactly what Dave is trying to do here. Finding common ground, whether it is science or UFO.
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Jun 8, 2012 10:19:55 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2012 10:19:55 GMT -5
There are insects all around us - ubiquitous, in fact. There are fish in the sea - also ubiquitous, in fact. There are bacteria everywhere - they really are ubiquitous.
Scripture mentions none of these (except maybe Jonah's whale), Yet all of these exist in numbers that dwarf humanity.
Just because something isn't mentioned in scripture doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Jun 9, 2012 8:02:21 GMT -5
Post by Virginia on Jun 9, 2012 8:02:21 GMT -5
I am really confused about UFO's and where do they fit in along with God. UFO's have been with us since the beginnings of time. Some greys are nice and some are mean. Could UFO's be part of God's plan to watch over us? When there is a disaster of some kind UFO's always appear there. Why? I also know many UFO's are our own Air Force vechicals. Probably built in area 51.
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Jun 9, 2012 13:14:27 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Jun 9, 2012 13:14:27 GMT -5
I am really confused about UFO's and where do they fit in along with God. UFO's have been with us since the beginnings of time.
Me too! - This is my position:
Gen 3:15 sets up an opposition force between the Eve's seed and Satan's seed.
Gen 6:1-4 is scripture giving us a race of being called the Nephilim and their 1/2 breed human offspring.
Both of these verses are straight out of the Bible
Enoch - who was the great grandfather of Noah and the father of Methuselah - wrote many books before the global flood. Now we do not have any original books from Enoch - what we have is from 350 BC Egypt and 100 AD Turkey. Regardless of source these book are ancient!
Enoch calls these 1/2 breed creatures Watchers. The Greeks of 100 AD call them Archons. Paul speaks of these Archons in Ephesians 6:12 where he says, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (KJV)
Both words principalities and rules here translated from the Greek word ARCHON.
Enoch also tells us that these Watcher are working against humanity by sabotage and delusion.
In the Gnostic Gospels (st and 2nd century christian writings not canonize into the NT), They are presented as predatory beings that inhibit spiritual awakening by convincing humanity of a false reality; they are the forces of sin, fear, and temptation.
"The Archons cast a trance over Adam which caused him to be sleepy, but it was his perception they dulled ... They make our hearts heavy that we may not pay attention and may not see. So we loose the reflection of the Divine Light within us ... The Archons burden the soul, attracting us to works of evil, and pull us down into oblivion, make us forget who we are.”
The Second Treatise of the Great Seth, another text of Gnostic origin, "... explains how the Archons induce a false plan of salvation into the human mind, a counterfeit of the true plan of self-liberation we can take by developing our innate potential of Nous, 'divine-intelligence.'" the script goes on to say, "... that 'the doctrine of Aliens' is a great deception upon the human soul."
There is my point - these are 1/2 breed human creatures - they have to have vehicles to get around. UFOs "The Archons cast a trance over Adam which caused him to be sleepy, but it was his perception they dulled ..."Boy, doesn't this sound like an alien abduction?
Some greys are nice and some are mean. Could UFO's be part of God's plan to watch over us?
Some are nice? Are you sure? Let me give this example - for the sake of argument lets say the goal is to accept Christ as God incarnate who died and rose again so that all humanity could use Him to improve their chances in the afterlife. Mormons seem nice. Jehovah Witness seem nice. The Unitarian Church from Chicago seem very nice. Yet none of these religions believe the few important points assumed at the beginning of this example.
The thing that worries me about these nice aliens is that the common misconception is that if they exist then there is no God. How many times have I heard the comment, that if scientist found life on other planets theologians on earth would have to readdress their religion.
Misdirection - false version of reality - anything that keep humanity from working on their individual spiritual growth serves the wrong master - regardless of how nice it seems. All con-men are nice, so nice in fact people just turn over their money to them. No matter how nice They are still thieves and criminal.
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Jun 9, 2012 19:20:25 GMT -5
Post by Virginia on Jun 9, 2012 19:20:25 GMT -5
When I said nice I did not mean NICE but more that they are not here to harm us but now I may have to change my mind here. The greys are doing experiments onhumans for whatever reason. When I said nice I meant they have not distroyed us ==yet.
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