There is a Jewish answer but it is hidden from Christians by the Roman Edit – and – this one simple twist of story has impacted societies and cultures to this very day – by disseminating hate and division. Remember Jesus told us that a house divided cannot stand and the secular version is – divide and conquer
Robert has been consistently posting here – and my answers and question have been addressed to him as of late
And Robert is an interesting guy and a perfect example of the Roman Edit I am hoping to get him to realize how anti-Semetic his views are – while at the same time claiming that the Torah view is the only view – and demanding that no Jewish Scholar ever understood their own language or Holy Scriptures to the same depth as Robert.
So I asked Robert to uses his Robert method to explain some Torah to me in depth
Roberts reply – He can’t – his method does not work if he doesn’t already know the answer he needs to find
So many Bible Study “experts” make the exact same error – they do not listen to scripture
Instead they bend scripture to fit their pre-conceived doctrineExample – Robert is a Satanist – and he can find satan in every verse – he just reads satan into his cosmology and then denies any scripture that doesn’t fit his paradigm / doctrine
You are wrong if you think Rome doesn't answer this question –
They just never admit their own manipulation of the scripture when manipulating public opinions.
Remember – Jewish thought must be replaced with the Roman viewSynod of Laodicea, 363 AD, - Canon 29www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htmChristians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
Robert repeated the Roman answer to meSome say the mark of Cain was a biological shift or mutation, ie his skin colour changed.
(But admits his Hebrew reference also says) Nevermore did the memory of it fade from their minds. Nevermore did peaceful sleep come to their pillow. D: "You say you have a full proof method to understand scripture at greater depth than any Rabbi past or present
R NO Dave, I just study Hebrew torah as it presents itself. Only Moses torah and the prophetic torah and Jesus torah, not other opinions.
Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Cain was cursed with a living death, rather than as Abel who died in salvation. Cain was a tiller of the soil, so has to experience the RA decay of the soil, as a result of His own sin against his brother Abel.
Why did the Catholic Church use this verse to support White on Black racial predigestDuring the age of Egypt – Israel – Greece – and early Rome
Nubian warriors were highly prized and Nubian beauty was renowned
By 1500 – European whites looked down on the black man with contempt
During the age of Egypt – Israel – Greece – and early Rome
Slaves came is all colors
By 1500 – the slave trade changed into black only
What is the extent of the curse upon Cain?What is the consequences of Cain not being able to feed upon plants?
To uses your word – what does it mean to be a
vagabond – KJV
G5141 – τρέμω – LXX
H5110 – נוּד - HOT
he is a student of his Great Controversy doctrine and uses the Torah to validate himselfWhat is the Mark of Cain – Jewish answerGen 4:9 Then Adonai said to Cain, “Where is Abel, your brother?” “I don’t know,” he said. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
Gen 4:10 Then He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying out to Me from the ground.
Gen 4:11 So now, cursed are you from the ground which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand.
Gen 4:12 As often as you work the ground, it will not yield its crops to you again. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
Gen 4:13 Cain said to Adonai, “My iniquity is too great to bear!
Gen 4:14 Since You expelled me today from the face of the ground and I must be hidden from Your presence, then I will be a restless wanderer on the earth—anyone who finds me will kill me!”
Gen 4:15 But Adonai said to him, “In that case, anyone who kills Cain is to be avenged seven times over.” So Adonai put a mark on Cain, so that anyone who found him would not strike him down.
Restless wanderGen 4:12 (KJV) When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Gen 4:14 (KJV) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
a vagabondGen 4:12 (YLT) when thou tillest the ground, it doth not add to give its strength to thee—a wanderer, even a trembling one, thou art in the earth.'
Gen 4:14 lo, Thou hast driven me to-day from off the face of the ground, and from Thy face I am hid; and I have been a wanderer, even a trembling one, in the earth, and it hath been—every one finding me doth slay me.'
a trembling oneHOT - H5110 – נוּד - (from shaking the head in sympathy), or (from tossing the head in scorn) taunt: - make to move, take pity, shake,
LXX - G5141 – τρέμω - (to “dread”, “terrify”); to “tremble” or fear: - be afraid, trembling.
The Mark of Cain = Cain became a sniveling little coward – paranoid – trembling in fearGen 4:15 But Adonai said to him, “In that case, anyone who kills Cain is to be avenged seven times over.” So Adonai put a mark on Cain, so that anyone who found him would not strike him down.
Why would this have prevent another man from killing Cain
The modern answer – he is so pathetic - no one would have wasted a bullet on him1st Book of Adam and Eve79:24 And He said to him, "Where is thy brother?" To which he answered and said, "I know not." Then the Creator said to him, "Be trembling and quaking."
25 Then Cain trembled and became terrified; and through this sign did God make him an example before all the creation, as the murderer of his brother. Also did God bring trembling and terror upon him, that he might see the peace in which he was at first, and see also the trembling and terror he endured at the last; so that he might humble himself before God, and repent of his sin, and seek the peace he enjoyed at first.
28 But as to Cain, ever since he had killed his brother, he could find no rest in any place; but went back to Adam and Eve, trembling, terrified, and defiled with blood. . . .
Who did killed Cain – Lamech didGen 4:23 Lamech said to his wives, “Adah and Zillah: Hear my voice! Lamech’s wives: Listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, and a boy for bruising me.
Gen 4:24 If Cain is to be avenged seven times, then Lamech—77 times!”
2nd Book of Adam and Eve3:1 IN those days lived Lamech the blind, who was of the sons of Cain. He had a son
whose name was Atun, and they two had much cattle.
2 But Lamech was in the habit of sending them to feed with a young shepherd, who tended them; and who, when coming home in the evening wept before his grandfather, and before his father Atun and his mother Hazina, and said to them, "As for me, I cannot feed those cattle alone, lest one rob me of some of them, or kill me for the sake of them." For among the children of Cain, there was much robbery, murder, and sin.
3 Then Lamech pitied him, and he said, "Truly, he when alone, might be overpowered by the men of this place."
4 So Lamech arose, took a bow he had kept ever since he was a youth, ere he became blind, and he took large arrows, and smooth stones, and a sling which he had, and went to the field with the young shepherd, and placed himself behind the cattle; while the young shepherd watched the cattle. Thus did Lamech many days.
5 Meanwhile Cain, ever since God had cast him off, and had cursed him with trembling and terror, could neither settle nor find rest in any one place; but wandered from place to place.
6 In his wanderings he came to Lamech's wives, and asked them about him. They said to him, "He is in the field with the cattle."
7 Then Cain went to look for him; and as he came into the field, the young shepherd heard the noise he made, and the cattle herding together from before him.
8 Then said he to Lamech, "O my lord, is that a wild beast or a robber?"
9 And Lamech said to him, "Make me understand which way he looks, when he comes up."
10 Then Lamech bent his bow, placed an arrow on it, and fitted a stone in the sling, and when Cain came out from the open country, the shepherd said to Lamech, "Shoot, behold, he is coming."
11 Then Lamech shot at Cain with his arrow and hit him in his side. And Lamech struck him with a stone from his sling, that fell upon his face, and knocked out both his eyes; then Cain fell at once and died.
12 Then Lamech and the young shepherd came up to him, and found him lying on the ground. And the young shepherd said to him, "It is Cain our grandfather, whom thou hast killed, O my lord!"
13 Then was Lamech sorry for it, and from the bitterness of his regret, he clapped his hands together, and struck with his flat palm the head of the youth, who fell as if dead; but Lamech thought it was a feint; so he took up a stone and smote him, and smashed his head until he died.
How has the Roman Edit changed our worldBlah blah blah
Why did the Catholic Church use this verse to support White on Black racial predigest
During the age of Egypt – Israel – Greece – and early Rome
Nubian warriors were highly prized and Nubian beauty was renowned
By 1500 – European whites looked down on the black man with contempt
During the age of Egypt – Israel – Greece – and early Rome
Slaves came is all colors
By 1500 – the slave trade changed into black only
Instead they preach predigest – division – hatred
Blacks were not even allowed into the Mormon Church until 1978
And predigest – division – and hatred permeate our culture
Roman Christianity = Roman Edit – Roman Thought Police = a false witness as a form of population control and manipulationThis is just one of the many reason I dropped the title of Christian – not because I don’t follow Christ – but because I don’t follow Christian mythology – is there a word for that? I choose Gnostic and I am free of the Roman edit and thought control
