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Post by Dave on Jul 23, 2020 5:48:52 GMT -5
Which powers use the eagle as a standard, but follow a "eloah god like power", a Hebrew word that means "father-god" ? There are three common powers that use the eagle as a standard, Rome, Islam and the USA. DO these power also acknowledge the "father-god" and impute power to it? The Eagle is a complicated symbol with scripture Is it America - sure - because we are the Tribe of Dan - and the Eagle is the Crest of Dan hoshanarabbah.org/blog/2015/05/20/banners-of-the-twelve-tribes/Since the Exodus the use of the term armies [Tsaba, Strong’s # 6635,] signifies a permanent Israelite army (Exodus 6: 26, 7: 4, 12: 17, 12: 51.) In the organization of tribes in the wilderness, each tribe was assigned a specific location in respect to the tabernacle, three tribes assigned to each side with the tabernacle at the center. Each of the four groupings [east/south/west/north] had a “leader tribe” that led that grouping, with each group of three tribes having a army unit flag. Judah emblem of a Lion face to the east, Reuben emblem of a Young Man face to the south, Ephraim emblem of a Bullock face to the west, and Dan emblem of a Eagle face to the north, were the four “lead tribes” designated with the four square army unit flags. The Jewish study Bible’s commentary on Numbers 2: 3-31 states the following: “The twelve tribes are arranged to form a square camp around the Tabernacle of four army with three tribes in each army.” In Ezekiel 1: 5-10, the prophet has a vision in which four-faced cherubim echo the four emblems traditionally understood to represent these four square army units flags of Israel. They are seen in that vision in Ezekiel as surrounding the celestial tabernacle [Mishkan]. Ezekiel 42:16-20 and 45:2 describes the well-known scriptural maxim of the symmetrical square temple [Mishkan,] the symmetrical square shape as well characterize all of YHWH’s flags. Gen 49:16 Dan shall judge his people, As one of the tribes of Israel. Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent in the way, An adder in the path, That biteth the horse's heels, So that his rider falleth backward. The Banner of Dan = a Judge, a serpent, and when in command of a larger army an EagleEze 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. man, lion, ox, and eagleJudah emblem of a Lion face to the east, Reuben emblem of a Young Man face to the south, Ephraim emblem of a Bullock face to the west, and Dan emblem of a Eagle face to the north The Eagle is an unclean animal - Lev 11:13 , 18 - Deu 14:12, 17 Deu_28:49, Deu_32:11 , Job_9:26 , Job_39:27 , Psa_103:5 , Pro_23:5 , Pro_30:19 Jer_48:40 For thus saith the LORD; Behold, he shall fly as an eagle, and shall spread his wings over Moab. Jer_49:16 , Jer_49:22 + + + + Eagle = the King of the sky - as in majestic - or tactical swiftness In the heavens Ezekiel saw: God’s angels Eze_1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. Eze_10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. Rev 4:7 (YLT) and the first living creature is like a lion, and the second living creature is like a calf, and the third living creature hath the face as a man, and the fourth living creature is like an eagle flying. So - the cherub that surround God’s throne =man - and an ox a Lion and an Eagle - 2 unclean animalsLev 11:27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even. man and ox = this 3D world - (soul + (Mind/Body) - (Mind/Body) Lion and Eagle = spirit realm - archon - angel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 5:40:28 GMT -5
Interesting study Dave, out of my depth, so no comments
Isn't Jesus the Lion of Judah? Isn't the HS the eagle, with her children under her wings?
Isn't the man a simile of God's face, wasn't Jesus called the Son of Man? Isn't the Ox and first letter in Hebrew, meaning Strong One, a simile of the Father in heaven?
Just some questions, I have no answers, just help you see more than one direction, Scripture says to study all the lines upon lines...
In a human world, the four symbols, are as you say, correct.
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2020 1:33:55 GMT -5
Isn't the HS the eagle, with her children under her wings?
In a human world, the four symbols, are as you say, correct.
If God = Love only Why are the angels gaurding God's throne 1/4th unclean animal? Why is the Banner of Dan = a serpent - then an eagle - both unclean animals
Yes - I know the verse in Gen 49
Why unclean symbology at the throne of God? Why unclean symbology reflected in the angels of God?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 4:05:40 GMT -5
In an ideal universe the eagle would have been clean, as with other animals. Only after man sinned did some animals change their diet, due to a poorer earth.
I remember Luther once asked why is the HS a eagle in the OT and a dove in the NT? I don't know.
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Post by Dave on Jul 27, 2020 14:29:15 GMT -5
Doesn't this imply God is more than just LOVE If He was all Love and all Tov as you describe Then how can there be all this uncleanness near the throne of God Shadow experiment - remember
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 14:10:03 GMT -5
I agree with you here Dave, in a different post I introduce the idea of GOD in a non-ideal world does use RA techniques if you can call them this, to help RA people become more TOV people.
For example we get depressed and refreshed with GOD we get tired and need rest we require discipline to make us fruit more
These are examples of "RA affects if you will", but they are not examples of sinning. I am out of my depth here, and find sometimes the Hebrew does not discuss these matters ....
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Post by Dave on Jul 30, 2020 13:55:05 GMT -5
These are examples of "RA affects if you will", but they are not examples of sinning. I am out of my depth here, and find sometimes the Hebrew does not discuss these matters .... Correct – all ra is not evil murder and rape – a lot of it is simple entropy We have forgotten what we once gnosis – awareness of God – entropy Out of my depth here – we all have been since the first moment we accept Christ (I) find sometimes the Hebrew does not discuss these matters And Yet all of these matters are Hebrew I would say – study of Hebrew words – without putting them in context of Jewish theology is just like not being able to see the forest because all the leaves, twigs, branches and trees get in the way Hebrew – Torah and Tanak speak a larger message than just the words Just as the Gospel is an oral message – not a book or a collection of books The Gospel of Thomas - The Nag Hammadi Library(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."The Gnostic pointThere was Judaism – and the Messiah came for the Jews first – then the Gentile The Jews are wrong to think the Messiah was only for the 1% Jesus Christ made the Jewish Divine Pardon available to the 99% - the age of the Gentile There is only one true religion – begins with Abraham and the Jews – continues as Messianic Christianity The is only One True God – YHWY who is Christ – who became Jesus Christ Messianic Jews are Jews that become Christians – the First Christians who drafted the Nag Hammadi Library Gnostic Christianity = Gentiles that become Messianic Christians Roman Christendom is an entirely different religion With two different gods one of Good only and one of evil locked in a never ending war Today – as common man looks at the church – Christians – Christianity They are left with the question the Good God is weak / don’t care / or is unable to do anything to stop the bad god - maybe the good god doesn’t exist Why does little Jimmy have to die? Gnostic difference:Jews and many Christians say - The Gospel of Thomas - The Nag Hammadi Library(53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?" He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."The Catholics and many Christians say - sacriments are necessary The Gospel of Phillip - The Nag Hammadi Library"Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing.Gnosticism is a call not to be a #2 Ordinary Christian (belief)- but a Spiritual Christian (gnosis) - Born Again
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 5:28:55 GMT -5
You write well Dave. Thanks
A principle I love from ahl is :-
Ps 131:1 ¶ <<A Song of degrees of David.>> LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. 2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
We need to keep our understand of salvation as a presence, simple, as a child understands.
I also read the ahl as it reads, plainly and simply.
Another principle says "God is in heaven, man is on earth, so let our words be few".
Happy Sabbath God bless your family
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Post by Dave on Jul 31, 2020 11:13:06 GMT -5
I also read the ahl as it reads, plainly and simply. As your friend I must say - No you don't You read your doctrinal bias into ever verse You play word games until they support your theology You exault satan at every turn and you deny your soul Both views anti-Jewish and anti-ahl
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 13:45:45 GMT -5
So how does the ahl tell us how to read the ahl?
And by ahl, I mean the common Hebrew received by Protestants? I assume the Hebrew is the same as the Jewish Hebrew, the five scrolls of Moses, for example?
The Isaiah is also the same as the Jewish version?
It tells you how to read Hebrew, does it not?
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
This word torah means teachings. We begin with the teachings of Moses. Moses wrote the teachings in Ancient Hebrew, not modern Hebrew.
Most scholars say words have multiple meanings. Jeff Benner and myself say they don't. Some may have because we don't fully understand, or don't have English meanings that fit nicely.
It's not a word game, but how a language should be respected. Martin Luther is a supporter of God, One I can follow easily. His German translation of Hebrew is like Jeff Benner and mine. It's mechanical, one German word for the same Hebrew word.
KJV is the next best at this idea, though they were more concerned with oral sounds rather than the written word...most common people could not read in the 16 century.
One aspect lost from translators are words of exact spellings with differences in action
He went to love her with His love. He went to make a record on the record. The farmer produced produce. Does the plough plough all day to sow? (This one is on Scripture)
Are these words different or the same? They have to be the same, but with different actions.
Yet in translations we do not follow this....
KJV does sometimes:
Ge 1:26 and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
These two Hebrew words have the same spelling, they are ONE Hebrew word....just a verb or noun form.
Another example is shabbath and Sabbath.
The verb form means cease, the noun form means ceasing-day.
Some say Sabbath does not exist in Genesis:
Ge 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
It's here as the verb form. Why as a verb? Because Sabbath starts, but is not completed here within 7 days of time.
The noun form is written only if there are 8 days of time.
These 7 days of time are relative to earth, were 24 hours long. Relative to GOD they appeared much longer. This is called relativity, and is in Genesis too.
As for doctrine discussions: Scripture says to watch out for the precepts and traditions of men.
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Post by Dave on Jul 31, 2020 14:15:04 GMT -5
Question - why do you not reach the same comclusions as 2500 years of Jewish Scholars
Answer - they all looked at the ahl WITHOUT filtering it through Catholic Doctrine Then the Catholic Chruch comes along and preaches a different theology
Now - you read the ashl with this Cathoic doctrine established within your theology
The one who "opposes" - must mean "opposes God"
God has a Spirit - YES! So every time you see this word it means HS - regardless of context Therefore man cannot have his own spirit - a soul - because spirit only means the HS
As for doctrine discussions: Scripture says to watch out for the precepts and traditions of men. Which came first - the Jewish Torah - Or the Catholic theology that followed P.S. - Ellen White came much later
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 15:47:15 GMT -5
Dave: " The one who "opposes" - must mean "opposes God"
You have agreed with me, that the Hebrew word "satan" means "oppose".
There are examples of GOD opposing Baalim. This is the correct meaning of the word. There are example of an OPPOSER opposing God's right to save mankind. This is the correct meaning of the word, eg Joshua, high priest faces an opposer. What does the opposer oppose? God's right to save mankind.
Than we have an Opposer coming to meetings with God in Job. Yet some how this word changes meaning? I don't get it.
So the Opposer is friendly respectful even, but so was Baalim respectful and blessed Israel, when Baalim hated God. And Baalim would have cursed Israel, but obeyed. Obviously you say Baalim is a friend of GOD, doing God's will. Scripture says Baalim is an Opposer of GOD, destined for death.
Dave : "So every time you see this word it means HS - regardless of context Therefore man cannot have his own spirit - a soul - because spirit only means the HS
Techncially yes. All things come from God. Every atoms. Even character development.
Even RA techncially is made observable by GOD, but GOD would not in his perfect world, have RA in it.
So when GOD decides to create mankind, he places a special gift from God, made by GOD, it's called a relationship...
God formed mankind from matter, breathed into him the "living forces of ELohiym" and mankind became "living energy". This gift of relationship, exists forever, as long as man maintains relationship.
The Hebrew words "nephesh" comes into two actions, a verb meaning "energize" and the noun means "energy".
These two forms have to have the same meaning, but different actions, as Jeff Benner says Hebrew is.
Who is "energy"? God is. But mankind is partnered to GOD, with relationship and thus we live and develop.
So this one and only verse has to mean:
Ro 8:16 The Holy Spirit itself beareth witness with our Holy Spirit (administrating our relationship to GOD), that we are the children of the "divine Family Power":
If mankind is a relationship to GOD, than we develop that relationship by adding elements of TOV to that relationship, these elements come from GOD, but we have free will to choose which elements of love we add daily to this adminstration of relationship.
Does this make sense?
If the relationship is broken, than RA begins, Self powers the relationship rather than GOD, and missing GOD as a relationship power occurs.
Is there Scripture for this idea?
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. 16 But to do good and to communicate "koinonia" forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
"koinonia" means "relationship" the highest form of salvation listed here by Paul is maintain relationship to God.
Dave: "Which came first - the Jewish Torah - Or the Catholic theology that followed P.S. - Ellen White came much later
Rob: "The scrolls of Moses establish every teaching.... all other teachers must align to Moses.
Notice in Moses writing:
Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Is this statement directly opposing GOD's statement, Yes/No?
You agree the serpent lied.
You don't seem to agree the serpent is an Opposer of GOD?
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Post by Dave on Jul 31, 2020 17:45:57 GMT -5
There are examples of GOD opposing Baalim. This is the correct meaning of the word. YES! God is satan to Balaam
Zec 3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand to be his adversary.
There are example of an OPPOSER opposing God's right to save mankind. This is the correct meaning of the word, eg Joshua, high priest faces an opposer. What does the opposer oppose? God's right to save mankind.
YES! – I agree Joshua – even tho he was a high priest – Mr. Worship expert Joshua was still a man (Mind/Body) and a sinner and does not DESRVE to be saved Who among us is worthy? Who can achieve the Divine Pardon by their animal self – no one We all deserve to be opposed – accused of being unworthy YES – this is satan’s job – to accuse man – oppose man – accuse/oppose all creation
The prosecutor says to the court – man is a sinner – he did this and that and the other thing Satan’s job is to expose just how undeserving we are
This is the prosecutors job – But, the prosecutor is not the judge – God is
Zec 3:2 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Sorry – Divine pardon granted – case dismiss – charges dropped
Than we have an Opposer coming to meetings with God in Job. Yet some how this word changes meaning? I don't get it.
Nothing changed at all – the Judge and prosecutor are both on the same side of the law God says to satan – go prosecute Job But, now we learn that satan can be very ruthless trying to get Job to deny God – to blame God – to curse God We also learn that sometimes – Little Jimmy just gets in the way and is harmed Because we also learn that satan has limits – and the death of our loved ones is within his range of test / tempt/ and torment
The death of job’s family had nothing to do with their walk with their God It had nothing to do with them – it was all about the tempataion / testing of Job
Dave : "So every time you see this word it means HS - regardless of context Therefore man cannot have his own spirit - a soul - because spirit only means the HS
Techncially yes. All things come from God. Every atoms. Even character development. The Hebrew words "nephesh" comes into two actions, a verb meaning "energize" and the noun means "energy". These two forms have to have the same meaning, but different actions, as Jeff Benner says Hebrew is.
Soul and Spirit
I have never met anothe person that calls themselves Christian - yet deny we have a soul
Who is "energy"? God is. But mankind is partnered to GOD, with relationship and thus we live and develop. On the sub-atomic level the HS is the sustainer of the matrix – YES agree
Who is “energy”? God is God is a singularity – an individual – there is no one like God God is to soul – as Holy Spirit (God’s Spirit) is to spirit
Man is an individual – there is no other like you or me This is soul – or essence – who we are Just as God can – soul can express itself through an invisible distance – spirit Soul = locality – spirit = expression through a distance
So this one and only verse has to mean: Ro 8:16 The Holy Spirit itself beareth witness with our Holy Spirit (administrating our relationship to GOD), that we are the children of the "divine Family Power":
NO! – The Holy Spirit itself (one individual) beareth witness with “our spirit” – our soul being expressed
Jer 17:10 I, Jehovah, search the mind, I try the heart, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.
Why does God have to examine your heart – if all He had to do is ask Himself?
If mankind is a relationship to GOD, than we develop that relationship by adding elements of TOV to that relationship, these elements come from GOD, but we have free will to choose which elements of love we add daily to this adminstration of relationship.
Does this make sense? NO You can pick and choose what elements of the HS guidance to follow? If you are led – the only thing you can control is the choice to respond or not
Dave: "Which came first - the Jewish Torah - Or the Catholic theology that followed P.S. - Ellen White came much later
Rob: "The scrolls of Moses establish every teaching.... all other teachers must align to Moses. And you insist that every God fearing Jew throughout the entire of Judaism have been following the wrong religion – thay have it all wrong
Notice in Moses writing:
Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Is this statement directly opposing GOD's statement, Yes/No?
OK - opposing God’s statement – a lie You agree the serpent lied. - sure You don't seem to agree the serpent is an Opposer of GOD? NO- the serpent was here to oppose Eve’s obedience Was the serpent tying to trick God? – no just Eve. Was the serpent trying to send God to hell – no just Eve
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 18:17:41 GMT -5
R What does the opposer oppose? God's right to save mankind.
D YES! – I agree Satan’s job is to expose just how undeserving we are
I thought you said there is no Ha-Satan? Now you write Ha-Satan's job is to expose ...
Question: Why does this Ha-Satan oppose man's right to be saved?
You have all parties designed and testing man....why judge than?
If God is all knowing, designed all things, including the testing there is no need of judging... why have an opposer at all? your missing something.
Nothing changed at all – the Judge and prosecutor are both on the same side of the law
How can this be? An Opposer should oppose, not be on the same side of law. If a person does crime, one lawyer attacks the accursed, getting him to fit the crime, the other lawyer opposes the prosecuting lawyer, getting his client off the hook.
So these two lawyers oppose each other.
The judge tries to be neutral but upholds law, the law prevails.
In Zec 3
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
The Yashua-YHWH is one lawyer, the other lawyer is the Opposer.
They are fighting over Joshua and his right to salvation.
The Father is the Judge, prevailing over the law.
Why does the Oppposer oppose Yashua-YHWH?
These two beings of burning are also seen on the pole, the people can look at either one burning being and be saved. Jesus also talks of judging the prince of the world, if I be lifted up.
Clearly these two oppose each other.
Why? Because they are both kings, or princes, each wanting humans for their kingdom. You do not see the chief opposer wanting humans for a kingdom.
Why? so the chief opposer can live forever in His RA world.
Jesus dying on the cross ended this chief opposer claim.
The death of job’s family had nothing to do with their walk with their God
Correct. Life with a chief opposer can be cruel and unfair.
On the sub-atomic level the HS is the sustainer of the matrix – YES agree
So why do you insist owning this partnership with GOD? We don't own anything.We are stewards. Partners with GOD. Our soul comes from GOD and is sustained by GOD. Our only choice is how we fill this divine vessel with divine prayer promises of His divine power. That is our choice.
God is a singularity – an individual – there is no one like God Hmm? God is a family, that is singularity of purpose.
If GOD was 1 individual, there cannot be love. For love is relational.
Love requires divine parents who are divine providers with divine responders. Together they function as singularity.
However your view may exist too, inside the man, was the woman. The man was created but the woman was built from the man. Does GOD require two personalities of loving in order to express love? I think so.
But I am not sure, because Man was created first, the woman came later. However to my view, all other creatures had both personalities of loving BOTH together.
God chose to do it differently to the man creature? Why?
Perhaps He wanted man to see why loving personalities are needed?
To strengthen my view, there is evidence each member of the divine family, show love personalities different from each other....
The Provider shows maleness-love ahab The Responder shows femaleness-love ahabuh
There is Scripture showing both divine parents borning their Son with humanity added.
This is not polythesism , for in a marriage the two are singularity of mind and flesh, but not love as a personality. Eve waas techncially a clone of Adam, but not a personality clone. Her loving style was different.
NO! – The Holy Spirit itself (one individual) beareth witness with “our spirit” – our soul being expressed
The word ruwach, is wind, Wind is a media of energy. Not one individual per se'. At least two, the energy and the air.
The HS is an adminstrator for the flow of the Father's love.
But you have the HS creating on her own. This is Greek pagan idea. The breath of living is a flow of love from the Father via the HS. The same as wind is carried by air, but a energy flow from the invisible.
R Does this make sense? D NO You can pick and choose what elements of the HS guidance to follow? If you are led – the only thing you can control is the choice to respond or not
D You can pick and choose what elements of the HS guidance to follow?
Yes, you are free to develop which elements of power are developed in you Prov 16:9
If you are led .. You are yoked together with Jesus, you walk side by side, not led
D : OK - opposing God’s statement – a lie R: You agree the serpent lied. - sure
R: You don't seem to agree the serpent is an Opposer of GOD? D: NO- the serpent was here to oppose Eve’s obedience Was the serpent tying to trick God? – no just Eve. Was the serpent trying to send God to hell – no just Eve
OK so if the serpent was merely opposing man, yet opposing God's statement, why doesn't the serpent aslo oppose GOD?
Serpent B God A Eve C
A tells C, not do eat this tree or you die. B tells C, you will not die if you eat the fruit. B opposing statement of A
Was the serpent tying to trick God? – no just Eve
Why add this? A creature can never trick a Creator?
Why is one creature tricking another creature to sin? Because the first creature sinned too. Hence God lied about sin. I sinned and nothing of death happened to me. So the creature feels justifed in saying what he is saying. God lied. You don't die. I haven't died. So sinning doesn't make you die.
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Post by Dave on Aug 1, 2020 23:27:54 GMT -5
R What does the opposer oppose? God's right to save mankind. D YES! – I agree - Satan’s job is to expose just how undeserving we are Question: Why does this Ha-Satan oppose man's right to be saved? DUH – it his assignment / function
I thought you said there is no Ha-Satan? Now you write Ha-Satan's job is to expose ... Five plumbers come to work – Dave, Robert, Richard, Dillion, and Larry Which one is “The Plumber”
If God is all knowing, designed all things, including the testing there is no need of judging... why have an opposer at all? your missing something.
God judges your performance / conduct / choices during the testing Testing gives the Christian opportunities to do mitzvah or chata It is the nature of the contest – God’s Plan / God’s Will
Nothing changed at all – the Judge and prosecutor are both on the same side of the law How can this be?
Robert – stop now and please research how the legal system works in Australia, or England, or America, or even Russia
The Judge and prosecutor are both elected officials (in America) and work for their county, province, state, or national level
You do a crime – you are the defendant Prosecutor’s job – expose your crime to the court – list all you bad deeds – point out all the laws you have broken – and prove you are guilty
The Judge – is not attacked by the prosecutor – or opposed by the prosecutor The prosecutor opposes the defendant Zec 3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand to be his adversary.
Joshua is standing in front / before of the angel of the Lord And standing to the right of Joshua is satan to be Joshua’s adversary But Zec 3:2 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Jehovah said to satan (Joshua’s adversary) - stop accusing / opposing – case dismissed / all charges dropped
Joshua – who is guilty, because we are all guilty – received Pardon / salvation a brand plucked out of the fire?
They are fighting over Joshua and his right to salvation. Who is fighting? Does the angel of the Lord say anything at all? Does satan get a chance to accuse? God simply – end the court because He has granted pardon to Joshua The Father is the Judge, prevailing over the law.
These two beings of burning are also seen on the pole, the people can look at either one burning being and be saved.
YES! – gnosis – expose the enemy for who and what it is YES! – gnosis – expose Jesus for who and what he is
Clearly these two oppose each other. Why? Because they are both kings, or princes, each wanting humans for their kingdom. You do not see the chief opposer wanting humans for a kingdom. Mythology - Please provide scripture saying satan wants numbers in his kingdom
Why? so the chief opposer can live forever in His RA world. Mythology - Please provide scripture saying satan wants to live forever
Our soul comes from GOD and is sustained by GOD. Yes! - God created our souls long before our conception
So why do you insist owning this partnership with GOD? We don't own anything. We are stewards. Partners with GOD. We do not own our (Mind/Body) – it returns to dust We are stewards of our (Mind/Bodies) but it returns to dust
We are alive – agreed – therefore we are sustained by God through the HS – agreed I am a monkey and it is just the HS speaking to you – is nonsense A monkey’s nephesh goes to the ground – not back to God So all you have left is the memories the HS made while it walk around in your body Nonsense
You are an individual – you are not God You are responsible for your own choices – no one forces you – drives you like a car In the end – you – stand judgment – alone as an individual – just you
God is a singularity – an individual – there is no one like God Hmm? God is a family, that is singularity of purpose. If GOD was 1 individual, there cannot be love. For love is relational. BINGO – You do not believe in One True God – can’t be 1
But you have the HS creating on her own. This is Greek pagan idea. Only if you do not accept the Trinity and the reality there is only One True God Jon 1:1-2 The Word = God = HS = Christ = Word There is only one Word God – whom we cannot comprehend But we can comprehend the Word as HS and as Christ
R: You don't seem to agree the serpent is an Opposer of GOD? D: NO- the serpent was here to oppose Eve’s obedience Was the serpent tying to trick God? – no just Eve. Was the serpent trying to send God to hell – no just Eve
OK so if the serpent was merely opposing man, yet opposing God's statement, why doesn't the serpent aslo oppose GOD? Was the serpent trying to trick God? Or send God to hell? – no – just Eve
A tells C, not do eat this tree or you die. B tells C, you will not die if you eat the fruit. B opposing statement of A
If you play that game finish - the cause before that = the cause before = the cause before it all = God’s did it – God did it all
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