The 'other god' Nehushtan

[Dave]

Jul 6, 2020 13:10:54 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Notice the serpent:

In Numbers 21, the serpent is placed on a pole that whoever looks at the serpent is healed by faith from their snake bite.

This is a weird poetry metaphor isn't it? If a snake brings RA, you look by faith at the snake RA and GOD heals you... sure you say GOD is the administrator of RA.... but what symbols are going on here?

Notice Jesus explains this in the NT...

Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

SO the "seraph" on the pole was a symbol of TWO BEINGS of BURNING... the serpent, who does RA, and the Christ who does TOV.

If you follow the Hebrew closely, two Hebrew words were placed on the pole, the "seraph" and the "serpent".

Now the message of this serpent, sinning, is already seen in Moses, the book of Genesis.

In the Garden are two trees, the Tree of CHAY, and the Tree of TOV/RA.

One tree when eaten weekly, gave Adam and Eve CHAY, hence ongoing eternal living.

The other tree introduces two Hebrew words contrasting each other TOV/RA.

Jul 6, 2020 15:57:54 GMT -5 Dave said:

Notice the serpent:

In Numbers 21, the serpent is placed on a pole that whoever looks at the serpent is healed by faith from their snake bite.

This is a weird poetry metaphor isn't it? If a snake brings RA, you look by faith at the snake RA and GOD heals you... sure you say GOD is the administrator of RA.... but what symbols are going on here?

WOW – I love this section of scripture – Feel Good Catholics never get it
A thing only has power over you if you do not understand / know / realize what it is
Satan is only effective if we deny his existence
Moses took a serpent (which was an evil spirit / disembodied archon) and made it obvious to everyone
Whoever realized – gnosis – what was truly happening were cured – why
The archon cannot harm you directly – they have no power over you – they only suggest / temp

If satan came out today and said follow me – the paradigm of TOV and RA would fall apart
If people knew there was a satan – they would turn to God – and be healed

Later – however - 1000 yrs later, the people FORGET - the symbology
and this serpent becomes the'other god' Nehushtan
Remember it began as a fiery flying serpent - evil spirit - disembodied archon
That becomes an 'other god' to heal sickness and wounds 2 Kings 18

Started as an archon - remained and archon all the time - and ended as an archon
What began as a pest - grew into something more religious by man - became worship

RECAP –
Numbers 21 – fiery serpents – evil spirits – archons – demons – disembodied Nephilim / archon from Gen 6 – After the flood – 90% of these being are locked away in chains – 10% remain as the principalities –– disembodied invisible archon - evil spirits and the and rephiem DNA gene pool (David Ikes 13 families)

These fiery serpents fly around and plague the Israelites
Solution – Moses hung one on a pole for all to see

Gnostic impression = gnosis
How many naïve children have been terrorized by shadows, and noises in the night
The job of a father is to teach the child – the shadow is the moon and tree – the noises are the house settling, water pipes burping, and squirrels on the roof

Gnosis / knowledge – is power
the boogie man has power over us – as long as we believe it is and thing that can have power over us – it does have power over us – scares us – causes to be afraid – paranoid - feel threatened

EXPOSE that boogie man for what he is = power / knowledge / gnosis
The truth becomes obvious

In Numbers 21, the serpent is placed on a pole that whoever looks at the serpent is healed by faith from their snake bite.

NT and Jesus Christ
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

You say lifted up = the cross – lifted up upon a pole
OK – lets go with it – what happened at the cross and then 3 days later when Christ rose from the dead

Gnosis / knowledge – is power
Christ has power over us – as long as we believe in Him - a thing / a real life thing / 100% tangible - that we can have power through Him – peace / joy

EXPOSE Jesus Christ for what he is = The Son of God / God incarnate = power / knowledge / gnosis
The truth becomes obvious

I however see the terminology of being ‘Lifted Up’ as the cross – but the ACCENTION of Jesus Christ

Either way
Gnosis / knowledge – is power
EXPOSE Jesus Christ for what he is = The Son of God / God incarnate = power / knowledge / gnosis
The truth becomes obvious

Points to your post
This is a weird poetry metaphor isn't it? If a snake brings RA,

Snake? I thought your Isaiah 14 Lucifer was an angel of light?

ser·pent –
1. a large snake.
2. a sly or treacherous person, especially one who exploits a position of trust in order to betray it.

Gen 3 does say that that serpent became a snake
Therefore you force every (sly or treacherous person) to be a snake

One tree when eaten weekly, gave Adam and Eve CHAY, hence ongoing eternal living.
Again I beg for scripture references

"seraph" and the "serpent".
Nice correlation - could build a great sermon here
Regardless if we are speaking of ra or tov
The solution - is not a belief in a religious system - or any one church doctrine
The solution = gnosis / knowledge - once you understand you understand

This gnosis - should also lead the (Mind/Body) of our natures to seek more - choose sides -
This is the very essence of becoming awake
Where does this gnosis/ knowledge come from - a book by anyone - NO!
It comes from within as a gift of spirit - the more we remember - the more communion we experience

The goal as a Christian - is for continual communication
However - we spend so much time in (Mind/Body) a lot gets in the way
This is the secrete of prayer - have a you cannot choose ra mid prayer - your consciouse 'deep within' will not let you (Soul + (Mind/Body)

So if you live your life in ernest prayer - you can choose to be a silent monk
Oops! most of us have missed that opportunity
Becoming parents adds addition scriptural demands on us
Working for a living in todays economy - takes so much of our time
This is the mission of the Beast / archon - keep us busy - sidetracked

Does that mean I am lost - not at all - just means my calling is different
Jesus said many are called - but few are chosen
I feel called out of the - community based tax exampt corporation church
and I walk alone - Just me and my Maker

I have lived in America most of my life
In the 50s I was taught to hate the Russians - the 60s were the Vietnamese - the 70s it is back to Russia - after 2000 I was taught to hate arabs and Islam - now I am being indoctrinated to hate China

Having an open mind is a choice - gnosis and the truth - or church doctrine?

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Rob writes: "This is a weird poetry metaphor isn't it? If a snake brings RA,

Dave replies: "Snake? I thought your Isaiah 14 Lucifer was an angel of light?

Your not following Scripture:

Nu 21:8 And the LORD <Y@hovah> said <'amar> unto Moses <Mosheh>, Make <`asah> thee a fiery serpent <saraph>, and set <suwm> it upon a pole <nec>: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten <nashak>, when he looketh <ra'ah> upon it, shall live <chayay>.
9 And Moses <Mosheh> made <`asah> a serpent <nachash> of brass <n@chosheth>, and put <suwm> it upon a pole <nec>, and it came to pass, that if a serpent <nachash> had bitten <nashak> any man <'iysh>, when he beheld <nabat> the serpent <nachash> of brass <n@chosheth>, he lived <chayay>.

God told Moses to make a "saraph" and put it on a pole.

But Moses misunderstood and makes a "nachash" on a pole instead.

There is a metaphor mystery here you didn't see, in the Hebrew.

"Saraph" means a Being of Burning.


Nu 21:6 And the LORD <Y@hovah> sent <shalach> fiery <saraph> serpents <nachash> among the people <`am>,

So the serpent is a simile of the burning. But GOD told Moses to make a Burning, not a serpent on a pole. Is there a mystery here to unravel?

Isa 6:2 Above <ma`al> it stood <`amad> the seraphims <saraph>: each one <'echad> had six <shesh> wings <kanaph>; with twain <sh@nayim> he covered <kacah> his face <paniym>, and with twain <sh@nayim> he covered <kacah> his feet <regel>, and with twain <sh@nayim> he did fly <`uwph>.
3 And one cried <qara'> unto another, and said <'amar>, Holy <qadowsh>, holy <qadowsh>, holy <qadowsh>, is the LORD <Y@hovah> of hosts <tsaba'>: the whole earth <'erets> is full <m@lo'> of his glory <kabowd>.

Here we see Burning Beings with six wings and near the throne of GOD saying holy, holy, holy.


Isa 6:6 Then flew <`uwph> one <'echad> of the seraphims <saraph> unto me, having a live coal <ritspah> in his hand <yad>, which he had taken <laqach> with the tongs <melqach> from off the altar <mizbeach>:

These burning beings can fly with their wings.


Isa 14:29 Rejoice <samach> not thou, whole Palestina <P@lesheth>, because the rod <shebet> of him that smote <nakah> thee is broken <shabar>: for out of the serpent's <nachash> root <sheresh> shall come forth <yatsa'> a cockatrice <tsepha`>, and his fruit <p@riy> shall be a fiery <saraph> flying <`uwph> serpent <saraph>.

Here is a major clue, the Burning Being is also a simile of a serpent. Both Hebrew words are here, burning and serpent.

What do Jews make of this very complex poetry in Isa 14, right down to verse 29, the burning being who is also a serpent in function, and wants to be like the Most High ?


Re 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;

Jesus is also a Being of Burning, but not described with wings.

So which Being near GOD has wings? Must be angels.

So these Beings of Burning on the pole come from near the throne of GOD, a angel of burning, who now is fallen because He sinned first in the entire time of time. And the Son of GOD, a Being of Burning who chooses to fight the angel of Burning who sinned, to rescue mankind, tricked into sinning.

This was is mentioned by name in Rev, but you assume Michael is a angel name, it's Jesus name, who is a burning being, like Lucifer is a burning being. They are both "seraph". But only one is the "serpent".


The phrase "lifted up" is the Hebrew term "nasa" where sins are rocketed away, it's an important term. Sure Jesus rising up from grave is important, but our forgiveness of sins, is much more important. Without Jesus power of living, we would remain in eternal death. Jesus is our NASA rocket to take us to heaven.

Satan builds a NASA mankind manmade that is fake, we never even got to the moon, let alone much further.

Why did Jesus say Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Because these two Beings of Burning have been fighting each other since mankind never existed. War in heaven? Over what? One being of burning jealous of another being of burning, both looked similar, but one was God's Son, the other a creature angel, dear to GOD, but not his Son.

Your presentation was very interesting as a read Dave. Thanks.

[Dave]

Your not following Scripture:
Nu 21:8 And the LORD <Y@hovah> said <'amar> unto Moses <Mosheh>, Make <`asah> thee a fiery serpent <saraph>, and set <suwm> it upon a pole <nec>: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten <nashak>, when he looketh <ra'ah> upon it, shall live <chayay>.
9 And Moses <Mosheh> made <`asah> a serpent <nachash> of brass <n@chosheth>, and put <suwm> it upon a pole <nec>, and it came to pass, that if a serpent <nachash> had bitten <nashak> any man <'iysh>, when he beheld <nabat> the serpent <nachash> of brass <n@chosheth>, he lived <chayay>.

God told Moses to make a "saraph" and put it on a pole.

But Moses misunderstood and makes a "nachash" on a pole instead.

There is a metaphor mystery here you didn't see, in the Hebrew.
"Saraph" means a Being of Burning.

Hmmmmmmmmm? Or you are trying to build a metaphore when none exist

Nu 21:6 And the LORD <Y@hovah> sent <shalach> fiery <saraph> serpents <nachash> among the people <`am>,

So the serpent is a simile of the burning. But GOD told Moses to make a Burning, not a serpent on a pole. Is there a mystery here to unravel?

Isa 6:2
Here we see Burning Beings with six wings and near the throne of GOD saying holy, holy, holy.
Seraphim - majestic beings with 6 wings, human hands or voices in attendance upon God

Isa 6:6
These burning beings can fly with their wings.
Read Ezk 1 – angels are not mortal beings like birds - the wings have nothing to do with mobility

Isa 14:29
Here is a major clue, the Burning Being is also a simile of a serpent. Both Hebrew words are here, burning and serpent.

So which Being near GOD has wings? Must be angels.
Seraphim – and high order of angels that serve God – agree

What do Jews make of this very complex poetry in Isa 14, right down to verse 29, the burning being who is also a serpent in function, and wants to be like the Most High ?
You mix two completely different beings - angels about God's throne and evil spirit
WOW – you will stop at nothing to defend your satan god
Saraph - Strong's #8314: saraph from 8313; burning,
Seraphim - majestic beings with 6 wings, - an order of angelic beings

The burning serpents were evil spirits –
Not mortal creatures with bodies – like birds with wings
These firery serpents flew around as disembodied nephilim – spirits – no bodies

God told Moses to make a "saraph" and put it on a pole.
But Moses misunderstood and makes a "nachash" on a pole instead.

You are disappointed that Moses did not create and evil spirit to place on the pole?
Can Moses create evil spirits?
So Moses made a brass and copper image of that evil spirit – it was the best he could do

So these Beings of Burning on the pole come from near the throne of GOD, a angel of burning, who now is fallen because He sinned first in the entire time of time. And the Son of GOD, a Being of Burning who chooses to fight the angel of Burning who sinned, to rescue mankind, tricked into sinning.

So your cherub is not a cherub – he is a seraphim
And God has always had his throne surrounded by serpents praising God
WOW – you empower your satan every where
You have this shadow experiment that you say I do not understand
Yet you have shadow creatures praising God all around His throne

This was is mentioned by name in Rev, but you assume Michael is a angel name, it's Jesus name, who is a burning being, like Lucifer is a burning being. They are both "seraph". But only one is the "serpent".
Again – scripture must be wrong to fit your theology

The phrase "lifted up" is the Hebrew term "nasa" where sins are rocketed away, it's an important term. Sure Jesus rising up from grave is important, (I am glad you admit it) but our forgiveness of sins, is much more important. (which comes first the chicken or the egg?)
Without Jesus power of living, we would remain in eternal death.
And this prove your Ezk 28 Free Will satan – how?

Jesus is our NASA rocket to take us to heaven.
Sounds nice – if I was in elementary school

Satan builds a NASA mankind manmade that is fake, we never even got to the moon, let alone much further.
I would keep this to yourself – it makes you look uninformed and prone to accept flawed doctrines – easily led astray – able to doubt the evidence in front of you

Why did Jesus say Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Because these two Beings of Burning have been fighting each other since mankind never existed. War in heaven? Over what? One being of burning jealous of another being of burning, both looked similar, but one was God's Son, the other a creature angel, dear to GOD, but not his son

I know you believe this – we should explore a different facet of scripture – that isn’t built totally around your satan

Jun 5, 2020 22:39:50 GMT -5 Richard said:

Dear Robert
I have said much here because it is obvious that that my words mean little. I have no opinion on the gnosic material presented here. However, you have said something that must be addressed.

Jun 5, 2020 18:55:58 GMT -5 @robertt said:

Dave writes: "See – you have two Kings and two gods
Yes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that?

Everything is wrong with that. This is the adopted theology of the Zoroastrians, brought into Christianity by the Catholic Church. What form of Christianity preaches that satan is a god in equal standing with the Creator?

Because these two Beings of Burning have been fighting each other since mankind never existed. War in heaven? Over what? One being of burning jealous of another being of burning, both looked similar, but one was God's Son, the other a creature angel, dear to GOD, but not his son