Post by Dave on Jun 22, 2020 11:51:57 GMT -5
Jewish after-life experience goes
We all die and our earthly clothes are stained with sin
We endure shame / embarrassment / witch is punishment until we receive our heavenly clothes
Rabbi Friedman says we are in the washing machine of hell until cleansed
Scripture says we are purified by fire
Judaism also includes – ‘The Divine Shortcut’
The only thing the agl does is recognize Jesus Christ as that ‘Divine Shortcut’
agl I Corinthians 15 is fun Greek
If Christ was not resurrected – then Christianity is a lie
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But if Christ was resurrected – then He becomes the first fruits and all who die in Christ are the first fruits
When Christ was transfigured – recipients of the ‘Divine Pardon’ now called ‘First fruits’ were standing there in heaven with Christ
If the transfiguration happened again today – you could probably see my mom somewhere back in the choir praising the Lord
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; …….
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1Co 15:23 ….. afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1- Those at Rapture
2- Proportional Punishment
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Pro 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Some never graduate from Proportional Punishment
The question is when
Robert is telling us that we do not exist in heaven
He didn’t specify – I presume he means before our mortal birth, as well as after our mortal death where we all just sleep in the grave until the final judgment
Question #1 - But what of this First Resurrection?
Most Christians – myself included – as the ‘Divine Pardon’ – death in Christ
If you die in Christ you spend no time in Proportional Punishment – you are invited to the Abrahams Bosom – where you are with the saints of old
This did not begin with Jesus Christ – it has always been available to the righteous by ‘Divine Pardon’
AND Jesus Christ is that ‘Divine pardon’ for all mankind
Question #2 – What is the timing of Rev 20:1-3?
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Gnostic Answer – When Jesus was resurrected from the grave
The Beast = which is the Dragon = which is the Serpent – and who is also called a satan because of function
Leaving behind – only the archon – powers and principalities – Jinn – demons – to plague mankind
The End of Days
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Conclusion – the First Resurrection has always been available to man as the ‘Jewish Divine Pardon’
Jesus Christ opens this door to all mankind – those who die in Christ
Point – there is a world of difference between – those who die in Christ vrs Christians who die
So the heavens have long been populated with human beings – just not as 3D corporeal man
In fact – since the Resurrection of Jesus Christ – those number have grown – the Bride of Christ
Who was already present in heaven in Rev 12
At the Cross – the Beast was bound to the Abyss
Leaving behind – only the archon – powers and principalities – Jinn – demons – to plague mankind
This is another Aion / age reset and rule change
First Adam and family had to walk among the archon / Nephilim
Flood – reset and the rules changed – archon ejected from the surface – leaving behind evil spirits and Rephiem – and the archon became – ‘other gods’
Christ – began another Aion / age – the Age of the Gentile – again the rules changed
Salvation through Christ open to all mankind
And the Beast was bound to the abyss
Scripture tells us that in another 1000 years – The Beast will be loosed upon the planet leading to gog-maygog – which requires Israel to be a nation again in the Holy Lands
We all die and our earthly clothes are stained with sin
We endure shame / embarrassment / witch is punishment until we receive our heavenly clothes
Rabbi Friedman says we are in the washing machine of hell until cleansed
Scripture says we are purified by fire
Judaism also includes – ‘The Divine Shortcut’
The only thing the agl does is recognize Jesus Christ as that ‘Divine Shortcut’
agl I Corinthians 15 is fun Greek
If Christ was not resurrected – then Christianity is a lie
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But if Christ was resurrected – then He becomes the first fruits and all who die in Christ are the first fruits
When Christ was transfigured – recipients of the ‘Divine Pardon’ now called ‘First fruits’ were standing there in heaven with Christ
If the transfiguration happened again today – you could probably see my mom somewhere back in the choir praising the Lord
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; …….
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1Co 15:23 ….. afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1- Those at Rapture
2- Proportional Punishment
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Pro 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Some never graduate from Proportional Punishment
The question is when
Robert is telling us that we do not exist in heaven
He didn’t specify – I presume he means before our mortal birth, as well as after our mortal death where we all just sleep in the grave until the final judgment
Question #1 - But what of this First Resurrection?
Most Christians – myself included – as the ‘Divine Pardon’ – death in Christ
If you die in Christ you spend no time in Proportional Punishment – you are invited to the Abrahams Bosom – where you are with the saints of old
This did not begin with Jesus Christ – it has always been available to the righteous by ‘Divine Pardon’
AND Jesus Christ is that ‘Divine pardon’ for all mankind
Question #2 – What is the timing of Rev 20:1-3?
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Gnostic Answer – When Jesus was resurrected from the grave
The Beast = which is the Dragon = which is the Serpent – and who is also called a satan because of function
Leaving behind – only the archon – powers and principalities – Jinn – demons – to plague mankind
The End of Days
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Conclusion – the First Resurrection has always been available to man as the ‘Jewish Divine Pardon’
Jesus Christ opens this door to all mankind – those who die in Christ
Point – there is a world of difference between – those who die in Christ vrs Christians who die
So the heavens have long been populated with human beings – just not as 3D corporeal man
In fact – since the Resurrection of Jesus Christ – those number have grown – the Bride of Christ
Who was already present in heaven in Rev 12
At the Cross – the Beast was bound to the Abyss
Leaving behind – only the archon – powers and principalities – Jinn – demons – to plague mankind
This is another Aion / age reset and rule change
First Adam and family had to walk among the archon / Nephilim
Flood – reset and the rules changed – archon ejected from the surface – leaving behind evil spirits and Rephiem – and the archon became – ‘other gods’
Christ – began another Aion / age – the Age of the Gentile – again the rules changed
Salvation through Christ open to all mankind
And the Beast was bound to the abyss
Scripture tells us that in another 1000 years – The Beast will be loosed upon the planet leading to gog-maygog – which requires Israel to be a nation again in the Holy Lands