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Post by Dave on Aug 29, 2019 12:37:03 GMT -5
Why did Jesus Christ have to die? By David Freed MLS(ASCP)cm, November 9th, 2011
I am that new member in your church asking, yes I read your article, but why did Jesus have to die? Try to answer the question using Scripture.Church? – I prefer fellowship - an open forum discussion of Theology / Cosmology Abrahamic religions are man-centric – it is all about man on planet Earth – that is the sum total of most Judeo-Christian one dimensional theology Gnostic cosmology / theology is a multidimensional thing. Enoch, Paul, and science all have 10 heavens / dimensions We only occupy 3 dimensions of the total (what the Gnostics consider the ALL) God’s plan / reality is so much bigger than just our little pebble lost in the Milky Way. Gnostic theology has an androgynous Creator – But He (for the lack of a better pronoun) exists to us as a duality. The Yin and Yang – Male and Female. The Male = the Word = John 1 = physical creation = Christ The Female = Holy Spirit – the Comforter – the teacher – Sophia – Goddess of Wisdom In a Gnostic text called - The Hypostasis of the Archons – The Reality of the Rulers, it is written that it was the Holy Spirit that made the Chief Archon, but he was gross and ugly so she hid him in a cloud of smoke and fire. When the Chief Archon awoke in this darkness he cried out – I am the First. Then the Creator spoke throughout the darkness – NO, you are mistaken. – Then the Chief Archon reproduced himself into the ‘powers’ (Archon) and ‘principalities’ of Eph 6:12 Chief Archon = the dragon of Rev 12 – and there is a war taking place in the heaven(s) If you read Enoch or Paul – these other heaven are filled with life forms as part of Gods multiverse The (First) Apocalypse of James, Translated by William R. Schoedel, from The Nag Hammadi Library “…Since you have asked concerning femaleness, femaleness existed, but femaleness was not first. And it prepared for itself powers and gods. But it did not exist when I came forth, since I am an image of Him-who-is. But I have brought forth the image of him so that the sons of Him-who-is might know what things are theirs and what things are alien (to them). Behold, I shall reveal to you everything of this mystery. … <James said,>, "Rabbi, in what way shall I reach Him-who-is, since all these powers and these hosts are armed against me?" He said to me, "These powers are not armed against you specifically, but are armed against another. It is against me that they are armed. And they are armed with other powers. But they are armed against me in judgment. They did not give [...] to me in it [...] through them [...]. In this place [...] suffering, I shall [...]. He will [...] and I shall not rebuke them. But there shall be within me a silence and a hidden mystery. … James said, "Rabbi, how, after these things, will you appear to us again? After they seize you, and you complete this destiny, you will go up to Him-who-is." The Lord said, "James, after these things I shall reveal to you everything, not for your sake alone but for the sake of the unbelief of men, so that faith may exist in them. For a multitude will attain to faith and they will increase in [...]. And after this I shall appear for a reproof to the archons. And I shall reveal to them that he cannot be seized.”1 OTHER POWERS / gods 2 Christ is the image of the Creator (vrs Spirit of the Creator) 3 Christ is in a struggle with the Archon all through the multiverse (war in heaven) 4 Christ came as much for them as he did for us – two sides of the same story 5 Yes the Archon are against us – but as soldiers in Christ’s army – Christ is the target 6 Christ completed a destiny – satisfying all the prophesies 7 DEATH 8 So he could reappear a. not for your sake alone but for the sake of the unbelief of men, so that faith may exist in them b. for a reproof to the archons. And I shall reveal to them that he cannot be seized. 9 While Christ was here – He suffered – but chose not to rebuke the Archon then – why? Jdg 2:3 (ASV) … I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. Roman Christendom The Apocalypse of Peter Translated by James Brashler and Roger A. Bullard from The Nag Hammadi Library "For many will accept our teaching in the beginning. And they will turn from them again by the will of the Father of their error, because they have done what he wanted. And he will reveal them in his judgment, i.e., the servants of the Word. But those who became mingled with these shall become their prisoners, since they are without perception. And the guileless, good, pure one they push to the worker of death, and to the kingdom of those who praise Christ in a restoration. And they praise the men of the propagation of falsehood, those who will come after you. And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error, and into the hand of an evil, cunning man and a manifold dogma, and they will be ruled without law."
"For some of them will blaspheme the truth and proclaim evil teaching. And they will say evil things against each other. Some will be named: (those) who stand in (the) strength of the archons, …”
The Archon have successfully infiltrated the ‘church’ – usurp Christianity and morphed into Christendom filled with every paganism – Idols, Saints, Popes, Sunday Sabbath, Winter Solstice and the birth of Tammuz disguised as Christmas, and Easter Sunday celebrated with Easter-eggs to the Goddess Ishtar Before the Death Of Christ – Israel was plagued by ‘other gods’ = Baal, Moloch, Tammuz, etc After the Death of Christ – they all become incorporated into Holy Roman Christendom The end result of Roman Christendom = “If there is a God, then He is ineffective, weak, or just doesn’t care!” and ask questions like: “If God is good then, why does the innocent have to die?” “If God is love, then why does he allow so much pain?” “If God is mercy, then why did the Israelis have to kill every last man, woman, child, pet, and livestock of the 7 Amorite tribes in Canaan?” IMO – Roman Christendom preaches a “Feel Good” theology. Every new member of the church is told Romans 8:28 ‘turn your cares and worries over to the Lord and it will all good’ –Which is an empty message because it is in error! The rest of the verse says for God’s good – for God’s plan – for the big picture. Job was a good guy minding his own business praising the Lord – God tested him. The very first thing God did to Adam and Eve was to test them. This is the Great Contest we all face alone within ourselves, as a culture, and as a nation. In the Contest – innocents die, pain exist, and the 7 tribes of the Amorite were Repheim, The Contest is also being played out in other realms / heavens / dimensions – The Mortal Death of Jesus ChristSatisfied His destiny – satisfying any and all scripture for the sake of the unbelief of men, so that faith may exist in them for a reproof to the archons.Some would say, Jesus died so He could send the Comforter back But there are examples of the Holy Spirit walking with David, Jacob, and Abraham Some would say that invocation of Jesus’ Name through faith we can receive the Comforter A short-cut on the path to – walking closer with ‘The One Who Is”And to form the base of Rome’s Christendom’s Mythology Who immediately stamped out any written record about the Archon Refuse to teach demonology as an integral part of the theology But, if you need an exorcist – you call a Catholic Then, some would suggest, that because man (Rome) usurped the Gospel the angel Gabriel gave Mohammed a correcting message which is the antithesis of Christianity AND the Great Contest continuesEx 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. Read more: ancient-hebrew.proboards.com/thread/6779/saved-ot-hebrew?page=3#ixzz5y0bcHJ13
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Post by Dillon on Aug 30, 2019 9:44:13 GMT -5
We have been studying Daniel's 70 week prophesy It starts when word goes out to restore Jerusalem (the Temple / the Faith) and ends with the Messiah Michael Rood preaches a 70 week ministry of Jesus, if he is correct - this would be another prophesy fulfillment. From the beginning of Jesus' ministry it was 70 weeks until he saved us. You said he satisfies all prophesies - maybe this is just another example Why did Jesus have to die? - Timing? youtu.be/9Dk6XuGxHQg
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Post by Dave on Aug 30, 2019 20:44:24 GMT -5
I am glad you like this guy.
The thing about the 70 week ministry is that it explains the lack of historical record
If Jesus preached for almost four years - then there should be better historical evidence AS I grew up in the mythology, I always pictured Jesus as a headliner - made an impact everywhere he went - Billy Graham Tent revival stuff
But - if Jesus came and went in just over a year - and just spoke to a few here and a few there
Then perhaps this explains His absence from the Historical Record.
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Post by robert t on Aug 30, 2019 21:10:01 GMT -5
I have read your threads Dave, very interesting all of them. I notice you see the Holy Spirit as wisdom personified as a Being with mother or responder like functions. This is correct.
I too am used to science, being a science teacher, retired now, and much of my quest for GOD is always with sola scriptoria.
So why did Jesus die is a very important question.
First we need to define living. GOD is beyond time, matter and space, yet decided to make mankind in the image of GOD, perceived through matter.
In the beginning earth was void and in chaos and the Holy Spirit of Elohiym moved over the deep, administrating movement into matter, so matter came to exist.
Mother earth as matter, is administrated by the Holy Spirit, who also functions as a Mother.
Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Now the Father or Provider takes the Mother Earth and breathes in this God's presence and mankind becomes "living energy'.
This verse and others like it, show the Holy Spirit also administrates the living in mankind, thus the Provider and Responder work together to create matter as living energy, which has a mind to choose.
When Adam disobeyed GOD and ate of the tree of function and dysfunction, there was an immediate change in the DNA fabric of our being, and the Divine relationship with man was partly broken. The Holy Spirit who is personally in us as a relationship shrunk inwardly, causing the solid colours of light as a covering to vanish, exposing them as naked. Thus sin is really about a broken relationship with the Provider and Responder.
Since DNA opens and unravels information, these changes are inherited, so now mankind becomes it's own master (Baal) and our relationship with GOD is severed.
Notice the torah teaching on mischief conducted within the compassion-centre of GOD:
Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, (KJV )
Ex 21:22 ¶ If Satan strive, and hurt the Holy Spirit who administrates living with future children, so that her fruit (Adam and Eve under her protection)depart from her, ... And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give eternal life for eternal life,
Ultimately Satan has to pay his life for this broken life in mankind. But the Son of GOD became the Son of Man, to reconcile "life for life", and paid an infinite sacrifice to satisfy this law, so He could restore the partly broken relationship fully.
Consider Jesus dying on the Cross:
Ps 22:1 My Father, my Mother, why are you separating me? Far from Yeshuah, from my roaring?
There are three divine members of family mentioned here, the Hebrew word "el" meaning "strong authority" is mentioned twice, and "salvation" is the Name of Yeshuah. What is happening is "death" is defined as the separation of Divine relationship.
Ps 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
The Hebrew term "el" implies this is not Mary, but the Holy Spirit.
Nicodemus asked Jesus, how can a man be born again from the womb a second time?
If GOD created all things via the words of His mouth, the Holy Spirit doing as the words spoken asked, than creation is the result of a divine Provider and Responder working together: a relationship.
Salvation is simply a restored relationship with GOD again. A daily creation process.
Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Clearly salvation is the creative act within the compassion centre of the Holy Spirit to restore the broken relationship as it was before the fall.
The life for life required by the law implies Jesus lays down for eternity his perfect body for us, and inherits a scarred body of humanity for us. We in eternal gratitude will fall at his feet and see those scars, he bears for eternity for us.
Zec 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Such was His love, to lay down His life for his friends.
You also asked me "salvation is for what" if our DNA is fully restored and the relationship is fully restored, we can see and talk to GOD face to face for eternity in relationship and NOT perish. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 31, 2019 9:00:56 GMT -5
Now the Father or Provider takes the Mother Earth and breathes in this God's presence and mankind becomes "living energy'. This verse and others like it, show the Holy Spirit also administrates the living in mankind, thus the Provider and Responder work together to create matter as living energy, which has a mind to choose. When Adam disobeyed GOD and ate of the tree of function and dysfunction, there was an immediate change in the DNA fabric of our being, and the Divine relationship with man was partly broken. The Holy Spirit who is personally in us as a relationship shrunk inwardly, causing the solid colours of light as a covering to vanish, exposing them as naked. Thus sin is really about a broken relationship with the Provider and Responder. ... Since DNA opens and unravels information, these changes are inherited, so now mankind becomes it's own master (Baal) and our relationship with GOD is severed. You also asked me "salvation is for what" if our DNA is fully restored and the relationship is fully restored, we can see and talk to GOD face to face for eternity in relationship and NOT perish. Shalom The First Book of Adam and Eve The Forgotten Books of Eden, by Rutherford H. Platt, Jr., [1926], at sacred-texts.com
CHAP. VIII. The "Bright Nature" of man is taken away. THEN Adam wept and said, "O God, when we dwelt in the garden, and our hearts were lifted up, we saw the angels that sang praises in heaven, but now we do not see as we were used to do; nay, when we entered the cave, all creation became hidden from us."
2 Then God the Lord said unto Adam, "When thou wast under subjection to Me, thou hadst a bright nature within thee, and for that reason couldst thou see things afar off. But after thy transgression thy bright nature was withdrawn from thee; and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
3 When Adam and Eve had heard these words from God, they went their way; praising and worshipping Him with a sorrowful heart.
4 And God ceased to commune with them.
Adam and Eve could see the multiverse before the fall The Creation Institute quotes passages that indicate that Adam and Eve could see the music being sung by the angels After the fall – our bright nature is taken away from us We can only see what is brutish – we are limited to only our ‘visible light’ spectrum Heavenly things – spiritual things – have become hidden and a mystery Our goal as spiritualist is to reawaken that bright nature – reestablish our connection / relationship with our maker Jesus Christ offers us a short-cut -- because through Him we again see the reality of the afterlife because through him we are promised the Comforter - which is the teacher - our guide Guiding us how? = In as many ways as there are callings Helping us to see and understand scripture in new and different ways Helping us grow in that relationship
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Post by Dave on Aug 31, 2019 9:11:01 GMT -5
Salvation is simply a restored relationship with GOD again. A daily creation process. Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. I LOVE the 51st Psalm - - A broken and contrite heart! I asked this question in a different post - but your definition of salvation is incomplete Not everyone is on the page when it come to their -relationship If some are at the beginning - then some are more advanced in their walk / relationship You also asked me "salvation is for what" if our DNA is fully restored and the relationship is fully restored, we can see and talk to GOD face to face for eternity in relationship and NOT perish. Shalom The Accuser - Satan - has a relationship with the Creator - In Job God speaks to him personally In Mathew he speaks with Jesus personally is he saved? Personally - I hate the term satan - it is a verb not a person But I am all over the Chief Archon and his powers and principalities
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Post by Dave on Aug 31, 2019 9:14:26 GMT -5
First we need to define living. GOD is beyond time, matter and space, yet decided to make mankind in the image of GOD, perceived through matter. In the beginning earth was void and in chaos and the Holy Spirit of Elohiym moved over the deep, administrating movement into matter, so matter came to exist. Mother earth as matter, is administrated by the Holy Spirit, who also functions as a Mother. Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Now the Father or Provider takes the Mother Earth and breathes in this God's presence and mankind becomes "living energy'. This verse and others like it, show the Holy Spirit also administrates the living in mankind, thus the Provider and Responder work together to create matter as living energy, which has a mind to choose. I am a Multidimensional guy I say - The First Dimension Singularity expressed itself through the omnipresent Second Dimension to Create and sustain the 3rd Dimension
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Post by robert t on Aug 31, 2019 18:02:19 GMT -5
Can you explain Dave where the omnipresent Second Dimension comes from in Scripture? To me the term "spirit" means "Holy Spirit", which does many things...
(1) records our character (spirit) in man, by living in mankind in a relationship manner, too difficult to fathom. We get collectively our character by relationship, something that man nor GOD technically owns. God is the creator, originator and owner of love and its shining forth, but the individual manner of claiming aspects of that love and making a unique collection of loves infinite qualities is formed by relationship, something that is unique, made by relationship. God might supply the powers of love and Man might have the ability to collect and use that love, but it is only in relationship that characteristics of love become uniquely special.
That is why GOD needs relationship, cause nobody owns relationship. It is a valuable witness to GOD, since the Adversary claims One can be one's own master and that love is just a natural quality from naturalism, ie love has nothing to do with relationship.
(2) the Holy Spirit as a science term is a medium, where energy from GOD is shown as different qualities. Media such as air carries the energy of GOD and makes its affects felt. Light of GOD entering media is also changed into different properties, hence the Holy Spirit is a medium. Often the medium function allows GOD to sustain mankind without killing them, ie mediums can diminish energy powers and also make it virtual.
(3) The Holy Spirit is a Personal Being, the shadday, and Scripture shows this property rather than the "spirit" function as well. The shadday isa responder within Family Powers, the Father is actually the Provider. In Electro-magnetic batteries, science tells us that things are made from providers (+ve) and responders (-ve) connected together as a circuit. Some may think of the Eloah and Shadday as Father and Mother, but this aligns too much with human pictures. Provider and Responder aligns more with Scripture and Science.
I guess character is an "omnipresent Second Dimension", the only thing we take to heaven, from this earth right now. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2019 9:58:24 GMT -5
Can you explain Dave where the omnipresent Second Dimension comes from in Scripture? To me the term "spirit" means "Holy Spirit", which does many things... Thank you for playing Robert – I CRAVE this type of conversation This is the Confusion I Ponder All my life I’ve been an academic – I worked in a science heavy investigative field Until Sunday – because if I wanted to do the Christian church thing I had to check my brain at the door and hold my tongue. – Thus, this forum Duality of meaning – subjective and objective (1) records our character (spirit) in man, by living in mankind in a relationship manner, too difficult to fathom. – Subjective and I will come back to it (2) the Holy Spirit as a science term is a medium, where energy from GOD is shown as different qualitiesAbsolutely agree – I just use different vocabulary I use the analogy of the Big Bang. When describing an explosion, different vocabulary applies depending on the science discipline. Physics deals with the electromagnetic forces involved and chemistry deals with the particles in play. Before the explosion / Bang / or magical POOF of all that exist is the potential The thing – the release of energy / movement = consequence or result E = mc 2Energy + movement / release of energy / force = creation Energy = God the Father – The Creator - Omnipotent The First Dimensional Singularity – which is a single point that cannot be located but contains all energy and all data points – Omnipotent and Omniscience Androgynous – neither male/female or both male/female (father is just the lack of a better pronoun) Now comes Jeff Brenners bara (fattened – enlarged – expanded) "works for me" It is not something from nothing – it is an ‘expansion’ of what was already there – The Big E or Hebrew el. Creator + movement / release of energy / expansion / bara / force / spoke = Word / creation If I am a Christian I would say – God Spoke the Word and all things were created by this Word If I was a physicist I would say – E expanded (expansion) This expansion – fattening – enlarging = yielded the Second Dimension The Second Dimension = a planer dimension with boundaries – Omni-directional - Omnipresent The Spirit of The Creator – Holy Spirit - the thing that was bara / fattened / expanded / exploded the ether / the matrix - throughout which – the Word reverberated creating the electromagnetic spectrum of a 10 dimensional creation, of which our 3 dimensional realm is just a sub-set The Trinity – John 1 – this is how I try to explain it in Sunday School Quarter is a concept – we can never see Quarter However Quarter is a very real thing All out lives we interact with the heads side or the tails side Flip the quarter over and over – it never comes up quarter – it is heads or tails We interact with the Creator by spirit – or the Son of Man, which is the Son of God In this theology many different vocabularies find home Father Mother Son Mother – Womb of Creation, Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom, Comforter, Holy Spirit (isn’t it interesting that Catholics make it the Holy Ghost – a spirit of something dead) You said Shadday – I will also say - The Shekhinah - שכינה For the first 2500 year of Chinese history they worship a single Creator God named Shang-Di String Theory This is how I rationalize string theory within my own mental imagery Pretend you are looking at a 3 dimension oscilloscope screen – at first you only see the Second dimensional planar grid on a blank screen. Then the WORD was SPOKEN. From a central point the screen will show the reverberations of that WORD as it expands across the screen. Those ELECTROMAGNETIC reverberations cause the ether / matric to dance with peaks and valleys of wave forms. Mountain ranges of peaks and valley soon dominate the screen – eventually ubiquitous Now drape each peak and valley with a Hawaiian Lei – erase the background so that only the leis remains – and they become the vibrating strings of string theory. The Gospel of the Egyptians Translated by Alexander Bohlig and Frederik Wisse “… From that place, the three powers came forth, the three ogdoads that the Father brings forth in silence with his providence, from his bosom, i.e., the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son. The <first> ogdoad, because of which the thrice-male child came forth, which is the thought, and the word, and the incorruption, and the eternal life, the will, the mind, and the foreknowledge, the androgynous Father. The second ogdoad-power, the Mother, the virginal Barbelon, epititioch[...]ai, memeneaimen[...], who presides over the heaven, karb[...], the uninterpretable power, the ineffable Mother. She originated from herself [...]; she came forth; she agreed with the Father of the silent silence. The third ogdoad-power, the Son of the silent silence, and the crown of the silent silence, and the glory of the Father, and the virtue of the Mother, he brings forth from the bosom the seven powers of the great light of the seven voices. And the word is their completion. These are the three powers, the three ogdoads that the Father, through his providence, brought forth from his bosom. He brought them forth at that place. …”
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2019 10:15:07 GMT -5
Can you explain Dave where the omnipresent Second Dimension comes from in Scripture? To me the term "spirit" means "Holy Spirit", which does many things... (1) records our character (spirit) in man, by living in mankind in a relationship manner, too difficult to fathom. All of this is subjective I have sat at the table with a Catholic, a Presbyterian, and a Baptist all discussing the exact same verse and not agreeing - God does not speak to all of us equally I love the example of Pharaoh and Moses God played both sides of the conflict to force the crucible of TRUTH Today - the many different 'one ways' of religions - spurred by the deceiver - allowed by God Play many different factions into the crucible of Armageddon (Truth) I see Islam playing a major role - as the accuser I see most of the Blood and sacrifice talk as necessary to satisfy any and all prophecies anywhere
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2019 13:16:37 GMT -5
(3) The Holy Spirit is a Personal Being, the shadday, and Scripture shows this property Gnostic theology - as I read it - many inputs from many perspectives Duality of NatureThe TOV and RA of the ahl/agl The Yin and Yang Male / Female Macho side - feminine side This duality emanates from God the androgynous Creator Male - Christ / physical creation / Jesus - the Male image of 'He-who-is' Female - Spirit - Holy Spirit / Comforter - The Shekhinah Jesus Christ had the animal choice to follow RA - the Accuser tempted Him so Therefore Jesus Christ had the choice to act independently Gnostic texts say - The Holy Spirit also created - it was a mistake and ugly From the male we have the TOV - from the female the RA By design - so that the Contest can play out Authoritative Teaching Translated by George W. MacRae "And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists."
The Gospel of Philip Translated by Wesley W. Isenberg "The Holy Spirit shepherds everyone and rules all the powers, the "tame" ones and the "wild" ones, as well as those which are unique."The Hypostasis of the Archons Translated by Willis Barnstone and Marvin Meyer “But it was by the will of the father of all that they all came into being, after the pattern of all the things above, so that the sum of chaos might be attained.
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Post by robert t on Sept 1, 2019 14:00:18 GMT -5
Dave, I can agree with much of what you have said. We both like science, and the one thing I learned from science is how futile it is to describe GOD.
Some describe GOD as the zero point energy field, all around us, extremely dense presence of the Father, causing all electromagnetic effects, such as electricity, ether effect, lightning etc.
Equations are invented to deal with impossible cases: for example a photon is massless yet travels at the speed of light, yet science says matter of our universe came from light, having now mass?
The square root of a negative number such as -4 is i2, the i meaning the number is imaginary, yet when i2 is multiplied by i2 the number becomes rationale, used to build skyscrapers. Go figure.
There is a strong Scripture principle I follow, so while I am happy to read your material and agree with it, I do not make it into my own theology, because of this verse, or principle:
Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. 2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
I like to keep things simple, and things not well explained in Scripture I leave alone.
Gerald Schroeder found the principle of general relativity in Scripture:
Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning was day one.
No translation writes the Hebrew word correctly. Time is just the movement of matter in space relative to other matter in space.
Matter is something mysterious that is engineered from God's hand:
Hab 3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
The Hebrew word is only used once, so something rushes from his hands during the engineering of matter.
You like Jeff Benner's bara to fatten, I prefer engineer.
Jos 17:15 They were cutting down trees to engineer something, not fatten the wood into something. All 46 verses using bara, fit better with engineer than with fatten or fill.
Ge 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gerald Schroeder using verses like this to equate relative time into a single day of creation, thus creation week was 7 literal days, but the time might have been billions of years too look old.
Such things are difficult to fathom for the common person, hence the Ps 131:2 idea, keep things simple.
The Hebrew have a letter "q" meaning "over the horizon beyond" reserved for things beyond them...a great idea.
We don't have to know all things to have a relationship with GOD, but its fun to stretch our brains. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2019 16:42:49 GMT -5
(1)I can agree with much of what you have said. We both like science, and the one thing I learned from science is how futile it is to describe GOD. (2) There is a strong Scripture principle I follow, so while I am happy to read your material and agree with it, I do not make it into my own theology, because of this verse, or principle: Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. 2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child. (3) I like to keep things simple, and things not well explained in Scripture I leave alone. (4) Gerald Schroeder (5) We don't have to know all things to have a relationship with GOD, but its fun to stretch our brains. Shalom (1)Cosmology vers theology There are a few things I tank on faith (few and private) The rest it up for interpretation = cosmology (2)Like I said - I really tried to do the church thing for years but to fit in - I had to check my brain at the door What I heard didn't fit my academic understanding I would be frustrated at stupid arguments over 6 days or billions of years But If I say - well - time is not linear so perhaps it's both They all look at me like I am the stupid one (3) Why I think cosmology important The people I interact with have conflicting cosmologies Dan at ARC is very non-committal one-dimensional yet intelligent aavicha / toomuch2 at ARC is one-dimensional and religiously indoctrinated He is a Jew, but I know 10,000 Christians just like him Ethan at ARC is culturally and religiously indoctrinated Each has a different perspective - because each has conflicting cosmologies (not necessarily theologies) I am a believer - I cannot help it - my witness is on 24/7 in my own way I see scripture alive and well everywhere I look - why? I can see it all clearly as true. Because it all fits my cosmology - and my cosmology comes straight out of the ahl mira - says - I see demons behind every tree - maybe I do - maybe it is this fact that awakens me to the greater reality of the Great Contest Ancient UFOs, ancient gods, Zachariah Sitchen - All 3 Abraham religions - ancient Chinese language Wold History and how it has shaped the global community for a replay of Exodus Current events - both Islam and America's pulling away from the global scene In science - in genetics - in astro-physics and particle physics Ghosts, Jinn, Archon - I see it all in play All things are relative (3a) if you only study the non-confusing stuff - how did we ever meet? (4) Love Schroeder's work (5) We don't have to know all things -- but - in my attempt to witness, I have delt with PhDs, Pathologist, Surgeons, Lab Jocks, X-Ray people, Nurses, and Doctor's - as well as - janitors, house keepers, kitchen staff, and maintenance men that all have TWO thing in common One - Regardless of educational status - they all have a 6th grade science cosmology as a whole. Some of the better schooled - have more interesting concepts but: Two - Their cosmologies are backed by the authority of an elementary school teacher - therefore - they are too educated to buy any of that Bible stuff Example - ask Dan if the sun actually stayed up longer one day - or if the shadow really went backwards on the steps - if the Exodus actually happened - or the Flood of Noah To make it fit his cosmology - that part of theology doesn't fit - therefore the ahl might just be old stories brought together by different cultures. Personally - I think it is all plausible - within the possibilities - and therefore most likely literal I am NOT saying that my science validates my cosmology or that my cosmology validates my science But I am saying - in my cosmology they do not conflict - they don't have to conflictMy cosmology begs for correction and better understanding - which in turns - validates my faith more and more every day
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2019 17:04:24 GMT -5
Ancient UFOs, ancient gods, Zachariah Sitchen - All 3 Abraham religions - ancient Chinese language Wold History and how it has shaped the global community for a replay of Exodus Current events - both Islam and America's pulling away from the global scene In science - in genetics - in astro-physics and particle physics Ghosts, Jinn, Archon - I see it all in play All things are relative My Personal FantasyI like to write - as you can probably tell I would love to write a science fiction novel 3 sub plots 1 Humanity has become AI enhanced - perhaps all wearing Elon Musk implants - all interfaced into Mother Google. Science and technology has made a tremendous leap forward. Humans are exploring the stars and other planets. 2 the consequence of our AI transformation Religion has been almost eliminated The elimination of religious tensions has brought peace to the world. Those few religious hold outs are persecuted - tried and put to death (Falun Gong style) 3 The few remaining religious leaders have been rounded up and are on trial. At the same time - space explores have found ruins on a distant planet. Those ruins have inscriptions on them and all the world experts have been working months on the translation. Ending of the book - the same day the last remaining religious leaders on the Earth are found guilty and given a death sentence - the translation is released to the world saying something like John 3:15 or Gen 1:1
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Post by robert t on Sept 2, 2019 1:33:18 GMT -5
Like you, Dave, I too take my Scripture seriously. I love Schroeder too, wish he would add more on the U Tube video. I also love Einstein and Newton, in fact most great science people are also believers in GOD. You have to be, there is no other solution. The uncaused cause is all there is.
Yes there was a global flood, and man did live next to dinosaurs, and ancient man before the flood were advanced. Nicola Tesla says the old Egyptian world before Babel spoiled things which mixed language's, had wireless electricity coming out the pyramids, a sort of power station.
Creation Science does a wonderful job finding evidence of God's creative hand, and Johnathon Sarfetti is a great scientist. His insights into Intelligent Design is remarkable. Pity the magazines are so expensive.
I also love Don Patton and his latest adventure looking for Noah's ark, a much different location than Ron Wyatt's replica, I think was made by some Christian group, who found climbing to the real ark too difficult.
What do you think of Jeff Benner and his Ancient Hebrew pictograph theory? I use his lexicon all the time, and regularly look up Hebrew words for meaning using the pictograph theory. It helps me understand word meanings.
The Hebrew use of masculine and feminine words is interesting. If we see masculine as a provider and feminine as a responder, than the sentences show that a provider requires a responder, to ignite full context, hence I see a reason for grammar cases in words.
If we see protons as providers and electrons as responders, the neutron is perhaps a collector, the functional use of a son perhaps? I note in Scripture that Jesus has both provider and responder functions.
Perhaps you could help me with something:
De 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech (imrah) "Words-personified"
We begin with "imrah" the Words-personified, a reference to Jesus.
De 32:3 Because I (Jesus) will publish the name of the LORD (Father-YHWH): ascribe ye greatness unto our God (Elohiym-Family).
De 32:4 He is the Rock (tsuwr) "Father-rock", his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God (el) "strong authority" of truth (amanuah) "support" and without iniquity, just and right is he.
De 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
Here is a poetry reference to the Holy Spirit as the eagle over her young covering them with her wings.
De 32:12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god (el) with him. 13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock (reference to Father);
Why does Jesus, the YHWH here say he did lead them "alone", when clearly the Holy Spirit and the Father were with Him?
badad, the pictograph reads "the home door (enters in the) door"
Jeff explains this word as one in a different part of the house through different doors can be alone in this sense, in though the house may have all three members there?
Perhaps our understand of badad is wrong?
Can you help?
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