The Mystery of free-will from the Garden of Eden Story? Jun 18, 2015 12:19:03 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Jun 18, 2015 12:19:03 GMT -5
Jun 17, 2015 14:24:08 GMT -5 Chandler Klebs said:If you define god as the first cause, I know god doesn't exist.
"The silliest question is who made God?"
On the contrary, it's the best question to ask. If you just claim that there is no cause of god, then you might as well just believe anything else can happen without cause. That makes you an indeterminist, but it does not grant a free will.
I define God as my first cause – is that the same as “The First Cause”? – I am too small to know
Buying into a multidimensional reality – makes me even smaller – tiny even
The Gold Fish swimming in the bowel on my table – HAS NO KNOWLEDGE of his mother ½ way around the globe swimming in a small pond in China – doesn’t mean she doesn’t exist – it is just a knowledge issue and for my Gold Fish to think it is all about him and his small corner of the world is just foolish arrogance on his part
Knowing what is beyond my Creator:
Ecc 11:5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the wind, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child; even so thou knowest not the work of God who doeth all.
Job 37:23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: He is excellent in power; And in justice and plenteous righteousness he will not afflict.
From: Adam Clark Commentary, 1831 – causality
"Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out - This is a very abrupt exclamation, and highly descriptive of the state of mind in which Elihu was at this time; full of solemnity, wonder, and astonishment, at his own contemplation of this “great First Cause, least understood.” The Almighty! we cannot find him out.
Excellent in power and in judgment - We must not pretend to comprehend his being, the mode of his existence, the wisdom of his counsels, nor the mysteries of his conduct.
He will not afflict - לא יענה la yeanneh, he will not Answer. He will give account of none of his matters to us. We cannot comprehend his motives, nor the ends he has in view."
Except for - Psa 19:1 ... The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament showeth his handiwork.
and as for -- I know god doesn't exist. ---
I want to know – teach me – correct me – if I am spending my time foolishly wake me up
You seem to have great insight – I agree with your paradigm
But I say your paradigm all resides as a sub plot in a much larger reality that you seem to deny
So it isn’t really an issue of your right and I’m wrong
It is an issue of does God exist
Again – I agree with you 100% -“… it's the best question to ask.”