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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 14:06:15 GMT -5
Please correct me if my terms are inaccurate. For example, I have a friend who's a Jehovah's Witness and they don't refer to attending "church" but rather going to "meeting". Does the Gnostic faith believe that all the biblical references to "God" were the same "God"? If anyone has research references beyond wikipedia to pass on that would be appreciated also.
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Post by Dave on May 11, 2014 13:49:00 GMT -5
Does the Gnostic faith believe that all the biblical references to "God" were the same "God"?
The easy answer is NO!
A better answer is a little involved from a Gnostic perspective.
It actually depends on if I understood the question as you meant it. This Gnostic sees the heavens full of life of various life forms. Just look at literal Catholic teaching. There are at least 9 different types of angels. At least 4 Archangels, and a host of Seraphim, Cherubs, Powers, Principalities, Dominions, etc, etc. etc. Now add to that the Catholic demonic pool. This Gnostic is a multidimensionalist, and therefore, there are at least 7 other dimensions packed full of life.
Countless life and life forms - other than humanity.
The Gnostic concept of the Demiurge
The Catholic Encyclopedia says, Demiurge: The word means literally a public worker, demioergós, demiourgós, and was originally used to designate any craftsman plying his craft or trade for the use of the public. Gnostic creation is a team event.
My example - Some angels tend to the stars that they maintain their orbits (Enoch). Some angels are charged to gard the throne of God and some are the jailers in Hades.
So when Genesis says, Elohyim created, Elohyim is a plural word, so Genesis is read as WE created this and WE created that. God 'el (singular) gave the command and the Elohyim carried out His commands as the demiuge in creation. Just as Gen 1:26 says, God said (singular 'el) let us ('elohyim) make man in our ('elohyim's) image
Just as Joshua 22:22 says, I am the 'el of the 'elohyim - I am God of the gods.
Romanology tries to explain this 'elohyim by suggesting that it is simply the plurality of the TRINITY - three in one - He is one - yet three persons. (an idea first put forth by Vallentinus the father of Gnosticism)
Now what do I/we mean as gods?
If you worship it - it is your god, whether it is an idol, the devil, Baal, or Zeus, but these are just gods (with a small g) because they are a part of creation - NOT THE CREATOR - therefore worship of these lesser beings is the same as worshiping creation not the Creator.
Now add to the heavens another group of beings called the Archon. The Chief Archon being the dragon called the devil and his minion. The Chief Archon is the guy in Gnostic literature that woke up and said - I am God, there is no other than I, but then a voice came from heaven saying, You are mistaken Samuel, which means god of the blind). In Gnostic literature, the Archon are the 'Sons of God' in Gen 6 that fathered the Nephilim. The Archon set them selves up as gods to humanity. There are stories of the Archon craving sacrifices from humanity to prove that they are their gods.
The Archon are both male and female and form a family unit with children. The god's of Sumer were a male and female unit with children The god's of the Assyrians were a male and female family unit with children The god's of Egypt were a male and female family unit with children The god's of Greece were a male and female family unit with children The god's of Rome were a male and female family unit with children The god's of the Vikings were a male and female family unit with children all pagan god's were a male and female family unit with children
Notice a trend here?
In the OT alone there are approx. 25 other, lesser gods, mentioned by name: Baal, Moloch, Ashtoreth, in fact, Baal is mentioned 78 times in the OT.
So Gnostic cosmology goes like this:
There is only one Creator, but He (it) exist as a Trinity The first dimensional singularity upon which all reality finds its foundation - The Father - Omnipotent and omniscience The second dimension - omnipresent - Holy Spirit, female Sophia, Wisdom, Spirit Christ - The Father as a man - and through him (working in concert with the Holy Spirit and the demiurge (which can be any of the other being that helped)) all that was made was made through Him.
Add to this a group of beings called the Archon, who desire to be worshiped as gods in their own rite. Who desire blood sacrifices from their worshipers. Baal and Moloch required the first born son. Images of pagan peoples all around the world performing blood sacrifices / human sacrifices, which have occurred as recently as 2005 in Chile and India.
In Roman terms - it is appropriate to think of the Chief Archon as the devil and his staff of Archon minions as demons - but do not confuse the devil with Satan. There is only one individual known as the Chief Archon or devil, but any of God's angels on a mission of accusing or testing humanity can be Satan.
So, are "... all the biblical references to "God" were the same "God"? "
There is only one 'el - but the 'elohiym is a plurality of those (which are many) that are in heaven.
Therefore, whenever the Hebrew uses the word 'elohyim it always refers to more than just 'el
Did I answer the right question?
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Post by Richard on May 12, 2014 11:18:54 GMT -5
Dave, Over and over you use the phrase- diluting and polluting. Isn't it interesting that
In the BC era the Judeo-Christian position was MONO-THEISTIC There can be only one. And He was everything, the power, the knowledge, the spirit The answer to absorto's question is - yes
After AD, MONO becomes a TRINITY one, but three Father, Ghost, Son and you like to make one part, the power, another part the spirit, and a 3rd part physical but still, the answer to absorto's question is - yes
Today, you are saying one, and three, and potentially thousands more and the answer to absorto's question become NO
I think I am probably still stuck in the AD group However, even tho Creation simply speaks the Trinity of a unified Godhead, I acknowledge the fact that there were host of angels in the background. What they were doing? Who knows. But chances are they were just not stagnant.
1Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddessH430 of the Sidonians,
1Ki 11:33 because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddessH430 of the Sidonians, Chemosh the godH430 of Moab, and Milcom the godH430 of the children of Ammon;
Strongs H43o= 'elohiym el-o-heem' Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
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