Post by Dave on Dec 9, 2012 3:19:44 GMT -5
Fallen Angels
Christendom’s mythology teaches: “Fallen Angels” Fell from grace, engaged in a war in heaven, before Gen 6, and then “FELL” to the earth and had children with women.
Yet if one adds the writings of Enoch and scripture from the Book of Jubilees a very different tail is told
JUBILEES 5:6 And against the angels whom He had sent upon the earth, He was exceedingly wroth, and He gave commandment to root them out of all their dominion, and He bade us to bind them in the depths of the earth, and 7 behold they are bound in the midst of them, and are (kept) separate.
According to this scripture God sent these angels to earth – from the writings of Enoch, one can infer that God sent these angels to earth for two different reasons:
1- So that these angels could teach humanity and get mankind off to a good start
2- To demonstrate to the angelic host – why man is more precious to God than the angelic host. The angels know full well of God, but man has to find God through the quagmire we call physical reality
One of my many issues with Roman Christendom, is why doesn’t it teach the same OT as the Jew. Christ was a Jew after all. When Christ quoted scripture, wouldn’t it been from a Jewish heritage perspective? The following question was asked in a Jewish discussion forum:
‘Primacy Theory of God being responsible for evil
« Thread Started on May 16, 2012, 5:25pm »
In Jewish thought is it believed that God created both Good and Evil? Because God is creator and created the capacity for evil (evil being the opposite of goodness) is it then believed in Jewish thought that both Good and Evil come from God? So then...God commands...thou shalt not kill but then commands mankind to kill. …”
Read more: ancient-hebrew.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=campfire&action=display&thread=960#ixzz2EXOfu1bP
Look at what is said at Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_angel
“Fallen angel is a concept that is typically synonymous with a wicked or rebellious angel. As the actual term fallen angel is not found in either the Hebrew Bible or the Deuterocanonical Books or the New Testament, biblical commentators use this term to describe angels who sinned or angels cast down to the earth from the War in Heaven, …
A Jewish myth of angels coming down to earth rather than being cast down, referred to as the myth of angelic descent, (Reed, Annette Yoshiko (2005). Fallen angels and the history of Judaism and Christianity : the reception of Enochic literature (1. publ. ed.). Cambridge [u.a.]: Cambridge University Press. p. 1. ISBN 978-0-521-85378-1.) is found chiefly in the Jewish pseudepigraphic Book of Enoch, 6-9 and the Qumran Book of Giants and perhaps in Genesis 6:1-4.
Angelic Descent – presents the idea that the angels of Gen 6 were sent by God to do Gods bidding on earth. It was after they were here, that some of them agree to take wives and father children.
Judaism
The concept of fallen angels is first found in Judaism among texts of the Second Temple era, being applied in particular to Azazel and Satan. However, from the Middle Ages certain Jewish scholars, both rationalist and traditionalist, rejected belief in rebel or fallen angels, since they considered evil as simply the absence of good or at least as not absolute.
Christianity
Christians adopted the concept of fallen angels mainly based on their interpretations of the Book of Revelation Chapter 12.
The War in Heaven - Revelation 12:3-4 speaks of a great red dragon whose tail swept a third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. In verses 7-9, after defeat in a War in Heaven in which the dragon and his angels fought against Michael and his angels, "the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world - he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."
but remember – Rev 12 does not happen until after the Bride is with Christ in heaven
Catholicism
The Catechism of the Catholic Church speaks of "the fall of the angels" not in spatial terms but as a radical and irrevocable rejection of God and his reign by some angels who, though created as good beings, freely chose evil, their sin being unforgivable because of the irrevocable character of their choice, not because of any defect in the infinite divine mercy.
Islam
The Quran mentions angels (malak ملاك) around ninety times, usually in the plural and referring to obedient angels.
The Quran states that Satan was a jinn (as in Islam, angels cannot disobey Allah) and also he is mentioned with the angels in verses (2:34, 7:11, 15:29, 17:61, 18:50, 20:116, 38:71) prior to his fall. Satan (also called Iblis from Greek diabolos, "the devil") rebelled and was banished on earth, and he vowed to create mischief on earth after being given respite by Allah till the Day of Judgment, according to verses (80-85:38)
Harut and Marut (Arabic: هاروت وماروت) are two angels sent to test the people of Babylon. That there are fallen angels is not in the Quran and the Quran explicitly states angels have no free will, but are like appendages of Allah. But, it is said Allah gave free will to those two angels for 2 months to show them why human beings are superior creatures, and then they were taken back to the heavens. In the meantime, they taught some spiritual things and magic to human beings.(Quran 2:30)
So – there you have it. Angels do not have free will, but do as God instructs. That is why man is special to God, we have the free will to choose to worship. The Angels of Gen 6 were sent here by God for a purpose. To teach man, but also to demonstrate to the angelic host the special nature of man. To do this – God gave 2 angels free will for two month, but evidently the temptations of our 3D reality was tempting enough to have one, or both, of those angels choose to stay and led the rebellion to father children.
Christendom’s mythology teaches: “Fallen Angels” Fell from grace, engaged in a war in heaven, before Gen 6, and then “FELL” to the earth and had children with women.
Yet if one adds the writings of Enoch and scripture from the Book of Jubilees a very different tail is told
JUBILEES 5:6 And against the angels whom He had sent upon the earth, He was exceedingly wroth, and He gave commandment to root them out of all their dominion, and He bade us to bind them in the depths of the earth, and 7 behold they are bound in the midst of them, and are (kept) separate.
According to this scripture God sent these angels to earth – from the writings of Enoch, one can infer that God sent these angels to earth for two different reasons:
1- So that these angels could teach humanity and get mankind off to a good start
2- To demonstrate to the angelic host – why man is more precious to God than the angelic host. The angels know full well of God, but man has to find God through the quagmire we call physical reality
One of my many issues with Roman Christendom, is why doesn’t it teach the same OT as the Jew. Christ was a Jew after all. When Christ quoted scripture, wouldn’t it been from a Jewish heritage perspective? The following question was asked in a Jewish discussion forum:
‘Primacy Theory of God being responsible for evil
« Thread Started on May 16, 2012, 5:25pm »
In Jewish thought is it believed that God created both Good and Evil? Because God is creator and created the capacity for evil (evil being the opposite of goodness) is it then believed in Jewish thought that both Good and Evil come from God? So then...God commands...thou shalt not kill but then commands mankind to kill. …”
Read more: ancient-hebrew.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=campfire&action=display&thread=960#ixzz2EXOfu1bP
Look at what is said at Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_angel
“Fallen angel is a concept that is typically synonymous with a wicked or rebellious angel. As the actual term fallen angel is not found in either the Hebrew Bible or the Deuterocanonical Books or the New Testament, biblical commentators use this term to describe angels who sinned or angels cast down to the earth from the War in Heaven, …
A Jewish myth of angels coming down to earth rather than being cast down, referred to as the myth of angelic descent, (Reed, Annette Yoshiko (2005). Fallen angels and the history of Judaism and Christianity : the reception of Enochic literature (1. publ. ed.). Cambridge [u.a.]: Cambridge University Press. p. 1. ISBN 978-0-521-85378-1.) is found chiefly in the Jewish pseudepigraphic Book of Enoch, 6-9 and the Qumran Book of Giants and perhaps in Genesis 6:1-4.
Angelic Descent – presents the idea that the angels of Gen 6 were sent by God to do Gods bidding on earth. It was after they were here, that some of them agree to take wives and father children.
Judaism
The concept of fallen angels is first found in Judaism among texts of the Second Temple era, being applied in particular to Azazel and Satan. However, from the Middle Ages certain Jewish scholars, both rationalist and traditionalist, rejected belief in rebel or fallen angels, since they considered evil as simply the absence of good or at least as not absolute.
Christianity
Christians adopted the concept of fallen angels mainly based on their interpretations of the Book of Revelation Chapter 12.
The War in Heaven - Revelation 12:3-4 speaks of a great red dragon whose tail swept a third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. In verses 7-9, after defeat in a War in Heaven in which the dragon and his angels fought against Michael and his angels, "the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world - he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."
but remember – Rev 12 does not happen until after the Bride is with Christ in heaven
Catholicism
The Catechism of the Catholic Church speaks of "the fall of the angels" not in spatial terms but as a radical and irrevocable rejection of God and his reign by some angels who, though created as good beings, freely chose evil, their sin being unforgivable because of the irrevocable character of their choice, not because of any defect in the infinite divine mercy.
Islam
The Quran mentions angels (malak ملاك) around ninety times, usually in the plural and referring to obedient angels.
The Quran states that Satan was a jinn (as in Islam, angels cannot disobey Allah) and also he is mentioned with the angels in verses (2:34, 7:11, 15:29, 17:61, 18:50, 20:116, 38:71) prior to his fall. Satan (also called Iblis from Greek diabolos, "the devil") rebelled and was banished on earth, and he vowed to create mischief on earth after being given respite by Allah till the Day of Judgment, according to verses (80-85:38)
Harut and Marut (Arabic: هاروت وماروت) are two angels sent to test the people of Babylon. That there are fallen angels is not in the Quran and the Quran explicitly states angels have no free will, but are like appendages of Allah. But, it is said Allah gave free will to those two angels for 2 months to show them why human beings are superior creatures, and then they were taken back to the heavens. In the meantime, they taught some spiritual things and magic to human beings.(Quran 2:30)
So – there you have it. Angels do not have free will, but do as God instructs. That is why man is special to God, we have the free will to choose to worship. The Angels of Gen 6 were sent here by God for a purpose. To teach man, but also to demonstrate to the angelic host the special nature of man. To do this – God gave 2 angels free will for two month, but evidently the temptations of our 3D reality was tempting enough to have one, or both, of those angels choose to stay and led the rebellion to father children.
Thus the concepts:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
And
It is better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven.
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And
It is better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven.
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