Post by Dillon on Aug 3, 2023 18:10:02 GMT -5
Dillon" I would love to hear your answer!
ROb" Jesus said to the rulers of his day that their father was the Devil, the father of lies. I take this is not the normal way Jews see evil, as something coming to them as some agent, rather Jews see evil as an inclination from inherent yester ra within.
DIllon" Do you have any real scientific evidence to support your view. Fossil records of vegetarian sharks or lions are available where?
ROb" The alpha lion eats the paunch of a dead animal first, what is within the paunch? Digested grass, concentrated by microbs. This happens still in African Lions.
Again the question is; where is your empirical evidence of vegetarian sharks or vegan lions
I could ask the same for your view, where is fossil evidence of natural death occurring before Adam sinned? Such things are very difficult to account for seeing the sin and curse came as a result of sin.
DIllon" Why does it frighten you so badly that science may be validating scripture and therefore God?
Rob" I am not sure what you are really asking DIllon.
I think this an amazing question. I do not think you can answer honestly without admitting you prefer religious myth to scientific fact.
Rob" I am not sure what you are really asking DIllon.
Why do you prefer religious myth to empirical fact
Dave’s argument is that science is validating the ORDER OF CREATION. Validating Genesis 1. Validating scripture. Many of the people in the know look to Intelligent Design.
Why does this bother you – why wouldn’t any Christian support this?
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Dillon" Satan made me do it. Why is this so important for you?
ROb" It's not DIllon. Never been important to me, to have some excuse for my sins.
You blame satan for everything
My Question for you DIllon, is simple
If the serpent is NOT sinning as a creature,
Dillon " As I told you, I grew up in a lack-Se-dasical Jewish home.
Never did we discuss sinning creatures. Never heard of such a thing until Christian church.
Dillon" No one of my family accepts Catholic Satan.
ROb" OK, I reject Catholic satan ideas too.
Your only teaching is Catholic Fallen Angels
Dillon" Why don’t you just revisit the thread and “go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God”
ROb" I would be happy to do that for you.
Dillon" Are you calling Allah your satan?
Rob" No not really, because the human has invented this religion, and this religion came to us from the Catholics?
The real false elohiym power has to be something else
ROb" Jesus said to the rulers of his day that their father was the Devil, the father of lies. I take this is not the normal way Jews see evil, as something coming to them as some agent, rather Jews see evil as an inclination from inherent yester ra within.
1- (Israel today – current event – post 1948)
“Boldly you asked, Question: the leading Israel leaders who ruled by who? Certainly not by God”
where is your answer?
2- Jews see evil, as something coming to them as some agent,
DAMN STRAIGHT – all through scripture God’s chosen people, Israel, the 1% had stood against the world (the 99%) and their other-gods on a daily bases ever since Egypt
But you refuse to answer why? The 1% vrs the 99%
“Boldly you asked, Question: the leading Israel leaders who ruled by who? Certainly not by God”
where is your answer?
2- Jews see evil, as something coming to them as some agent,
DAMN STRAIGHT – all through scripture God’s chosen people, Israel, the 1% had stood against the world (the 99%) and their other-gods on a daily bases ever since Egypt
But you refuse to answer why? The 1% vrs the 99%
ROb" The alpha lion eats the paunch of a dead animal first, what is within the paunch? Digested grass, concentrated by microbs. This happens still in African Lions.
Again the question is; where is your empirical evidence of vegetarian sharks or vegan lions
I could ask the same for your view, where is fossil evidence of natural death occurring before Adam sinned? Such things are very difficult to account for seeing the sin and curse came as a result of sin.
MOUNTAINS – tons – museums full – counting into the millions of samples
DIllon" Why does it frighten you so badly that science may be validating scripture and therefore God?
Rob" I am not sure what you are really asking DIllon.
I think this an amazing question. I do not think you can answer honestly without admitting you prefer religious myth to scientific fact.
Rob" I am not sure what you are really asking DIllon.
Why do you prefer religious myth to empirical fact
Dave’s argument is that science is validating the ORDER OF CREATION. Validating Genesis 1. Validating scripture. Many of the people in the know look to Intelligent Design.
Why does this bother you – why wouldn’t any Christian support this?
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Dillon" Satan made me do it. Why is this so important for you?
ROb" It's not DIllon. Never been important to me, to have some excuse for my sins.
You blame satan for everything
My Question for you DIllon, is simple
If the serpent is NOT sinning as a creature,
Dillon " As I told you, I grew up in a lack-Se-dasical Jewish home.
Never did we discuss sinning creatures. Never heard of such a thing until Christian church.
ROb" OK, so consider the second story in Ezekiel 28
Eze 28:2 ...prince <nagiyd> of Tyrus
eart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God,
Please use all the verse
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
It is all about man
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God
Can the prince of Tyre be alive that long?
YES – man was in the Garden of Eden – were Adam and Eve aliens?
YES – all mankind was there – watching from above
Robert just denies the spirit
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
YES – all mankind was there – watching from above
Robert just denies the spirit
Eze 28:2 ...prince <nagiyd> of Tyrus
eart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God,
Please use all the verse
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
It is all about man
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God
Can the prince of Tyre be alive that long?
YES – man was in the Garden of Eden – were Adam and Eve aliens?
YES – all mankind was there – watching from above
Robert just denies the spirit
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
YES – all mankind was there – watching from above
Robert just denies the spirit
ROb" OK, I reject Catholic satan ideas too.
Your only teaching is Catholic Fallen Angels
Dillon" Why don’t you just revisit the thread and “go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God”
ROb" I would be happy to do that for you.
Instead of answering the question you offer another word game
We all know the meaning of the words
Dillon" So I suppose there is no use doing it again
ROb" Hmm?, one has to come to Scripture reading scripture as scripture says itself to read scripture.
The first rule I think must be true for Jews too, is the torah must be read only from the torah, not anywhere else.
Instead of answering the question you offer another word game
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
But you make exception for Ellen White – different rules for different people – anything to protect the traditions of your denomination
REPEAT - Why don’t you just revisit the thread and “go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God”
Begin with 2 Sam 24:1 and 1 Chr 21:1
We all know the meaning of the words
Dillon" So I suppose there is no use doing it again
ROb" Hmm?, one has to come to Scripture reading scripture as scripture says itself to read scripture.
The first rule I think must be true for Jews too, is the torah must be read only from the torah, not anywhere else.
Instead of answering the question you offer another word game
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
But you make exception for Ellen White – different rules for different people – anything to protect the traditions of your denomination
REPEAT - Why don’t you just revisit the thread and “go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God”
Begin with 2 Sam 24:1 and 1 Chr 21:1
Dillon" Are you calling Allah your satan?
Rob" No not really, because the human has invented this religion, and this religion came to us from the Catholics?
The real false elohiym power has to be something else
Then answer the question – who is Allah?
Your questions 9 and 10 DIllon are difficult to discuss and very broad.
Way to avoid the question –
Either you believe scripture or you do not
Scripture demands that Israel be back in the Promised land as a nation strong enough to vanquish its neighbors
Scripture demand that the Jews are again in Jerusalem when the Messiah comes/returns
Scripture demands that the final battles between His chosen and the enemy take place in the Promised Land - with the Jews as a strong and independent nation standing under God
Scripture demands - prove otherwise
Your questions 9 and 10 DIllon are difficult to discuss and very broad.
Way to avoid the question –
Either you believe scripture or you do not
Scripture demands that Israel be back in the Promised land as a nation strong enough to vanquish its neighbors
Scripture demand that the Jews are again in Jerusalem when the Messiah comes/returns
Scripture demands that the final battles between His chosen and the enemy take place in the Promised Land - with the Jews as a strong and independent nation standing under God
Scripture demands - prove otherwise