Ellen White Called Jesus a LIAR?!

[Dillon]

YIKES! Ellen G. White Called Jesus a LIAR?!

No one can ever become sinless to God’s perfection on their own effort. It is the lesson of the Jewish Law. The Law is not enough.

Even Robert claims that Jesus is a liar

Jul 10, 2023 1:42:48 GMT -5 Dave said:

Rob, Your Gnostic writings that the left hand can do something apart from the right hand is bogus.

Mat 6:3  But when you do tzedakah, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 
Mat 6:3  But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 

D, You can call the words of Jesus Christ bogus if you choose – Christian

Either you force Jesus Christ to be a liar – or you do not understand what is being said

How can you have faith in a Messiah that is not truthful?

[Dave]

There are many issues with SDA / Ellen White theology

Robert is too indoctrinated into the SDA family to look at scripture honestly

[Dave]

Dec 14, 2023 16:03:13 GMT -5 rob said:

YIKES! Ellen G. White Called Jesus a LIAR?!
YOUR TURN – explain why you can avoid answering question about your own faith
OK I will bite just this once,

I watched this video, it is  very biased.

Ellen White said – wrote – published :

"In order to let Jesus into our hearts, WE MUST STOP SINNING".
Signs of the Times, March 3, 1898

"To be redeemed means to CEASE FROM SIN".
Review & Herald, September 25, 1900

Jeff Benner teaches that in Hebrew the Hebrew is about actions and is action based, thus the verb means an uncomplete action and the noun means a completed action.

Hence in our lives of being saved by Jesus we begin in the uncompleted action of Jesus and progress to the completed action of Jesus.

I will use John to quote my point, since the Author of the video also used JOhn, but fails to use all of John's verses, precept upon precept.

1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1Jo 1:8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

SO JOhn begins in the uncomplete action of walking in Jesus, our salvation.

1Jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Here John talks of the whole chapter about being born into Jesus, and this borning process takes time.... it is about growing into Jesus...

1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Robert’s teaching that the disciples and Paul were not redeemed is a satanic lie

Redemption is a gift. It is nothing we can earn.
The Bible tells us, “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23). All we must do is confess our sins and turn to Jesus, accepting the gift of salvation.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now John is speaking of the completed action, where a person is not aware of any sinning in his life.

He is speaking of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – you deny it is possible
NO SUCH THING AS SPIRIT

Finally John talks of things difficult to fathom, that our Author friend leaves out of his 4 minute video.

1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

He is speaking of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – you deny it is possible
NO SUCH THING AS SPIRIT

And finally John speaks of this relationship with the Spirit of Jesus

NO SUCH THING AS SPIRIT – what do you mean –define your terms

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Now we enter a relationship based on faith

1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

SO not all sinning is unto death, because of relationship.

Does the Author present all of John's ideas ? No, he wants to mock the perfectionism of salvation and remain in the uncompleted stage of growing in Jesus.

Hence Ellen White does not write anything wrong, it is all founded in Scripture.

Ellen White said – wrote – published :

"In order to let Jesus into our hearts, WE MUST STOP SINNING".
Signs of the Times, March 3, 1898

"To be redeemed means to CEASE FROM SIN".
Review & Herald, September 25, 1900

Ellen White teaches it is IMPOSSIBLE to be redeemed
Ellen White teaches against / denies the GRACE of God
Ellen White teaches against Jesus Christ and the NT with Robert’s full support

[rob]

Greetings Dave

Rather than mock, discuss my discussion, did you read the John verses?
Sure we have baptism of the Spirit of Jesus in our belief's.

Read the full passage of context"

Many see much to admire in the life of Christ. But true love for him can never dwell in the heart of the self-righteous. Not to see our own deformity is not to see the beauty of Christ's character. When we are fully awake to our own sinfulness, we shall appreciate Christ. The more humble are our views of ourselves, the more clearly we shall see the spotless character of Jesus. He who says, “I am holy, I am sinless,” is self-deceived. Some have said this, and some even dare to say, “I am Christ.” To entertain such a thought is blasphemy. Not to see the marked contrast between Christ and ourselves is not to know ourselves. He who does not abhor himself can not understand the meaning of redemption. To be redeemed means to cease from sin. No heart that is stirred to rebellion against the law of God has any union with Christ, who died to vindicate the law and exalt it before all nations, tongues, and peoples. Pharisaic self-complacency and bold assumptions of holiness are abundant. There are many who do not see themselves in the light of the law of God. They do not loathe selfishness; therefore they are selfish. Their souls are spotted and defiled. Yet with sin-stained lips they say, “I am holy. Jesus teaches me that the law of God is a yoke of bondage. Those who say that we must keep the law have fallen from grace.”

Christ says, “Blessed are they that do his commandments.” The heavenly benediction is pronounced upon those who keep the law. “They shall have right to the tree of life,” the Saviour declares, “and shall enter in through the gates into the city.”

We must decide for ourselves whether or not these words will be spoken to us. A right decision will be revealed by action in harmony with the law of God. But we can not possibly keep the commandments without the help of Christ. He alone can save us, by cleansing us from all sin. He does not save us by the law; but neither will he save us in disobedience to the law. He draws us to himself because he has been lifted upon the cross of Calvary.

Now where exactly from this passage, do you see this passage differing from the words of NT torah? Stop misquoting sentences to mock messages. Is this message true to the gospel message of Salvation or not?

The ten commandments are based on faith.
So the issue is not about keeping the ten words according to human strength, but about having faith in the ten words. Do we have faith in His words or don't we?

Jesus died to redeem us from the penalty of death, so using free will we are able to freely speak his words of faith to receive the powers of Christ in our lives. 

Whatever you do not of faith, is sin. Hence the problem for all of us is breaking faith in Jesus. And every one of the ten words is about faith in Jesus our saviour.

The reason why the ten words are written as negatives rather than as faith positives in because transgression of the law is a lower level of behaviour for judging transgression, and Paul writes in the Spirit we are free from the transgressions to freely speak of the faith in Jesus and His laws of faithful living. Hence if you are born in Jesus, you cannot willfully sin because Jesus covers your ignorant sinning, and you continue to live under his faith by being faithful to His words. Fight the good fight of Faith, Paul writes.

I doubt you will understand this theme, as you see faith as a mental assent idea, not as one supporting a divine power.

Shalom

[Dave]

Now where exactly from this passage, do you see this passage differing from the words of NT torah? Stop misquoting sentences to mock messages.

No heart that is stirred to rebellion against the law of God has any union with Christ,
Your teaching that none of the disciples were saved is just anti-christian error
Paul – Romans 7:7-25
All the disciples ran away – Peter denied Christ 3 times (immediately)

Their souls are spotted and defiled. Yet with sin-stained lips they say, “I am holy.
Ellen White and you teach - if you join the SDA church you cannot sin
What does this mean? – you teach man has no soul – no spirit

Those who say that we must keep the law have fallen from grace.”
Yet – you teach that faith mean to keep the law of Ellen White – say the right prayers – do the right Christian things – you teach you must have action

The ten commandments are based on faith.
So the issue is not about keeping the ten words - having faith in the ten words. Do we have faith in His words or don't we?

You can pray to words – if you want to
Paul and John taught we are to be led by the spirit

Jesus died to redeem us from the penalty of death, so using free will we are able to freely speak his words of faith to receive the powers of Christ in our lives.
Why do you suggest Christianity is about evoking chants and spells – invoking the right words

Whatever you do not of faith, is sin. Hence the problem for all of us is breaking faith in Jesus.
AND – Ellen White teaches
To be redeemed means to cease from sin.
So – Ellen White teaches none can be saved

Is this message true to the gospel message of Salvation or not?
Absolutely NOT

Paul writes in the Spirit we are free from the transgressions
You teach man has no spirit – no such thing as spirit
You just speak contradictory religious garbage

I doubt you will understand this theme, as you see faith as a mental assent idea, not as one supporting a divine power.

Scripture says – belief in the heart NOT the head
But Robert has no heart – he just has a brain of biology
You just speak contradictory religious garbage

[rob]

Greetings Dave
Happy Sabbath to you and your family

Dave" Your teaching that none of the disciples were saved is just anti-christian error
Paul – Romans 7:7-25
All the disciples ran away – Peter denied Christ 3 times (immediately)

ROB" There is a really weird Hebrew word translated wrongly in the KJV version.

1Ki 18:21 ¶ And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt "pacach" ye between two opinions?

A better translation is this:

1Ki 18:21 ¶ And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long hop "pacach" ye between two opinions?

This makes Passover Feast, the Hopping Feast.

Humans often hop between self as a strong authority and GOD as a strong authority. The Disciples did this often. it does not disolve the Salvation Process, but surely strains it.
You might consider this theme

Re 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

In the last days, it was common for people to be both hot and cold using pious natures and works for GOD. God wants people to hop over completely to Him, not hop between two opinions.

Self is the last elohiym power to be resolved by human free will, to surrender completely to Salvation the Person.

Dave" Ellen White and you teach - if you join the SDA church you cannot sin
What does this mean? – you teach man has no soul – no spirit
ROB" weird Dave.

Of course we sin, I miss daily.

Of course we have a soul, termed living energy.

Of course we have "spirit", a term referring to the Father's character carried by the medium into human hearts by faith in Jesus.

Dave" say the right prayers – do the right Christian things – you teach you must have action
ROB" Of course faith is action based. All Hebrew themes are action based. Only Greek is about abstract ideas, and mental assent. Read Jeff Benner about Hebraic things.

Dave" Paul and John taught we are to be led by the spirit
ROb" Lu 4:1 ¶ And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Not a single verse that says Paul and John were led by the spirit of God?? though I get your idea I think?

What do you mean by your idiom?

Dave" Why do you suggest Christianity is about evoking chants and spells – invoking the right words
ROb" Misquote me, who is saying this? Dave is. Not me.

Ho 14:2 Take with you words,

Take is also verb to take and noun as takings.

Words is dabar, the words a person takes to GOD.

So what words do we take?

De 32:2 My doctrine "takings as a noun" shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
(KJV)

The words of the torah as we take as takings, as torah waters the seeds and makes them grow.

Dave" To be redeemed means to cease from sin.
So – Ellen White teaches none can be saved
ROb" Not so,

1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

What is John saying here, some sins are not unto death.

So some sinning humans can be saved, because some sins are not unto death.

You obviously never read my link explaining this idea have you?

ROBPP" Is this message true to the gospel message of Salvation or not?
Dave" Absolutely NOT
ROB" and you offer? brevity, null, nothing.

Dave" You teach man has no spirit – no such thing as spirit
ROB" Of course we have "spirit", a term referring to the Father's character carried by the medium into human hearts by faith in Jesus. Even my Messanic emails spoke of this idea. Can't you remember?

Dave" Scripture says – belief in the heart NOT the head
But Robert has no heart – he just has a brain of biology
You just speak contradictory religious garbage
ROB" Prove your view of Faith from Scripture Dave?

I have one verse to prove my idea of faith:-

Ex 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were "supported" until the going down of the sun.

Faith is an action word, meaning to "support" something using your hands, or your heart with something divine.

You can support GOD by taking His words and speaking them back to Him that you grow under the grace of this words promising power. Easy. child's play even. But you cannot doubt. Nor be presumptous. But be meek and humble. And without wilful sins or propensities.

You cannot fake this taking and speaking for GOD reads your heart as a book, and sees your intent, and thus the relationship is fully supported by you as God also supports you back.

Got nothing to do this rituals and sacrifices.

Ps 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. No chants or religious mumbo jumbo. Or formalism.

Ps 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

How is this achieved?

Ps 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

What is this "Free Spirit" ?

Ps 51:14 ¶ Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation:
Ps 51:15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.

And Hebrews says:

Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Sacrifice of words that praise his name, the fruit of our lips.

Shalom

[Dave]

Dave" You teach man has no spirit – no such thing as spirit
ROB" Of course we have "spirit",

Absolute double speak