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Post by rob on Jan 4, 2024 5:06:57 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
D"SDA is not a culture it is a religion
R" Pardon me, but SDA is a culture, many cultures
In fact one thing I dislike about SDA culture is it is too American, America Sabbath style, America songs, American worship style, etc etc
Even in Russia, the SDA Russian does American worship style...
When I was in PNG, the worship there was American and I hated it. Had to preach wearing suit and trousers, so after a while I rebelled and preached in shorts and short shirt. I also did not like Passover with grapes, when in PNG they should use coconut water.
Culture is the little differences people do as a group, and in Australia we eat salads and juices. In America all things are laced in sugar and they don't have salads like Australians do. Now it's changed a bit.
So same religion, but very different approaches to eating and worship practices.
I don't get you Dave, you post differences in SDA culture, but you say we don't have any differences in culture?
D" I do not believe you
R" AS a Hebrew we have to guard all 613 commandments of GOD, but I found there are many more than these, over 7000 in fact, if you thrown in the NT as well. So I keep Sabbath as Jews do, but without the traditional additional 300 rules. We do not travel, or swim, or cook our food on Sabbath, etc.
D"The Jews teach Monotheism in a duality
R" Is this an Orthodox Jew or a Messanic Jew, like Rabbi Cahn?
SDA support One elojhiym power, but the infinity power is also packaged and expressed as three persons of the Godhead. A univseral set of infinity does not make three infinities, not possible in Maths, such a set is still one infinity.
And I see you list things I do not agree with.
Let me give you one Jews should embrace but don't
Ge 1:29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Adam and Eve were vegetarians.
Its a command not listed in the other 613? Why not?
D" You reject each basic Jewish teaching
R" What woudl Rabbi Cahn say about your list?
D"Sorry Robert – two completely different words – from two completely different languages
R" What? When an Author writes "satan" are you saying the Author intended to mean "Satanas"?
Are you mad? English is English, stop making your Greek word games fit into English words.
D"And every reference to this section is all from the NT – but only you cannot tell he is talking about NT satan
R" Wow you are really something you are. No Dave, when people write "Satan" they are not thinking of the OT word use or the NT word use, they write Satan as a English word. What does the word mean in English?
Not your word game idea that's for sure?
Dave" "He is the incarnation of all evil, and his thoughts and activities are devoted to the destruction of man; so that {Satan, the impulse to evil ("yeẓer ha-ra'")}, and the angel of death are one and the same personality.
This passage actually says satan does not exist as a person – it is just our own (yester ra) that is the same personality as the angel of death.
ROB" I see, let's see
"He is the incarnation of all evil, and his thoughts and activities are devoted to the destruction of man; so that Satan, the impulse to evil ("yeẓer ha-ra'"), and the angel of death are one and the same personality. He descends from heaven and leads astray, then ascends and brings accusations against mankind."
It's a confusing passage, but explain to me how the inclination descends from heaven and ascends to heaven?
Why use the word "he", when an inclination is an "it", really Dave, you are something?
Another clue, the inclination is compared to the angel of death, how is this possible? One is an it and other is a he or she. But it the Satan is a he and the angel is a he, that as the passage says they are the same personality.
Another clue, an evil inclination does not have a personality. Really Dave you are over the top.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 9:23:33 GMT -5
In fact one thing I dislike about SDA culture is it is too American, America Sabbath style, America songs, American worship style, etc etc
Even in Russia, the SDA Russian does American worship style...
What is American style?
Where did Christian hymns originate?
Hymns are religious songs which praise God or gods. Hymns can be traced to many ancient cultures, including ancient Egypt, India, and Greece. Christian hymns in Medieval times included Latin psalm texts from the Old Testament set to simple melodies called a Gregorian chant and sung by monastic choirs.
What is American style?
What is American style about Greek Orthodox?
When I was in PNG, the worship there was American and I hated it.
In America – we get together to praise the Lord – support one another – and learn scripture
Why do you hate this?
Had to preach wearing suit and trousers, so after a while I rebelled and preached in shorts and short shirt.
OF COURSE YOU DID – anything to spoil your message
You disrespect your audience – you do not want to connect with them – as one of them
You do not want to help save anyone – you want to make it hard
Your mission is not to witness to others – but to rebel and disrupt – just as you do here
I have been in Bible Studies off and on for 55 years
Never have I met anyone claiming to be a Christian – that rebels against Christianity’s teaching
It is not one point – it is every aspect of Christianity you must change and corrupt
Either you are mentally challenged – or you deliberately choose to be an ass to please your satan god
I also did not like Passover with grapes, when in PNG they should use coconut water.
Yep – argue about rituals
R" AS a Hebrew we have to guard all 613 commandments of GOD, but I found there are many more than these, over 7000 in fact, if you thrown in the NT as well. So I keep Sabbath as Jews do, but without the traditional additional 300 rules. We do not travel, or swim, or cook our food on Sabbath, etc.
Yep – argue about rituals – things to do to be a Christian
If you really included the NT – there are only two commandments
1- Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul
2- Love one another – as He loved us
This covers all the law in intent and purpose
D"Sorry Robert – two completely different words – from two completely different languages
Are you mad? English is English
I am discussing Greek and Hebrew original text – you discuss English
No matter the discussion – you have to change it into something to argue about
You don't even intend to be taken seriously
Just tear down - disrupt - and spoil Christian teaching as much as possible
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Post by rob on Jan 4, 2024 16:09:10 GMT -5
Culture is about how groups of people live. God confused one culture in babel for a reason.
We are meant to be all different to stop the spread of evil, but this America materialism idea is world wide, and now all products are made in China, not got nothing bad with CHinese, but the global reset is about making the entire world united again, back to the tower of Babel again.
A simile can be felt by any simile, it does not have to grape juice. Grape juice is a simile of blood. Coconut water is also an blood electrolyte substitute for blood.
Just as Moses was told to make a saraph, but could not do it, so placed a copper snake up on the pole instead, a simile, He did his best. What would a saraph look like anyhow? DUnno
Anyhow you enjoy your religious views, it is clear I cannot sway you, and as Richard says, why do you put up with me, as you both mock me all day long?
Did you listen to Einstein video? No
Smartest believer of GOD on earth, and you don't listen to him?
Einstein says RA does not exist, it is a term invented by man explaining when men walk away from God, so that God's love is loving less and less in the hearts of men.
Therefore as Einstein says, GOD does not have RA in His Creation ever. So your Gnostic views are wrong. As Jews say La 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil ...
The Jews are correct. The torah is correct.
GOD does not do RA.
Isa 45:7
Notice light is formed, not created.
SO the infinite one adds matter to Himself and thus we have light.
AS Dave says a wave, or Rob or particle or both.
On the other hand darkness has to be engineered.... why? Because some creatures want this as a result of their sinning. You never consider this idea do you?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 4, 2024 19:00:40 GMT -5
We are meant to be all different to stop the spread of evil, but this America materialism idea is world wide, and now all products are made in China, not got nothing bad with CHinese, but the global reset is about making the entire world united again, back to the tower of Babel again.
What does this have to do with American style Worship
In America – we get together to praise the Lord – support one another – and learn scripture
Why do you hate this?
Anyhow you enjoy your religious views, it is clear I cannot sway you, and as Richard says, why do you put up with me, as you both mock me all day long?
1Th 5:14 We urge you, brothers and sisters, correct the unruly, comfort the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone.
It has been hard – but I have tried my best to be patient with you
You come to my form and preach an anti-Christian anti-Jewish traditions
You are the one mocking scripture – I cannot let your false teaching stand
As I have said – I have never met another Christian that argues against every aspect of Christianity in favor of a human prophet - cult
Either you are extremely stupid - not well educated - indoctrinated into a cult - mentally challanged
OR - you oppose just for fun - just to be an ass - to make your satan god proud
disrupt - deny - tear down - is this what it's like to Follow Ellen White
I much prefer my God to yours
Did you listen to Einstein video? No
Smartest believer of GOD on earth, and you don't listen to him?
Einstein says RA does not exist, it is a term invented by man explaining when men walk away from God, so that God's love is loving less and less in the hearts of men.
OK – I have said this many times –
you say I am wrong evil is from your satan god of evil an angel of Ezk 28
Moving away = entropy – the farther from the source the greater the entropy – DUH
Moving away from spiritual heaven to physical creation come with Entropy – a by-product of – inherent to – physical creation
you say I am wrong evil is from your satan god of evil an angel of Ezk 28
Therefore as Einstein says, GOD does not have RA in His Creation ever.
Cool – there is no death – no satan – no consequence
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Post by rob on Jan 5, 2024 18:36:15 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" In America – we get together to praise the Lord – support one another – and learn scripture
Why do you hate this? R" I don't. But in Russia why can't a Russian worship God the Russian way, and in PNG the PNG people worship God the PNG way, and in ocker land Australia we Auzzies worship God the Auzzie way?
D" It has been hard – but I have tried my best to be patient with you
You come to my form and preach an anti-Christian anti-Jewish traditions
You are the one mocking scripture – I cannot let your false teaching standR" What? I have Rabbi Cahn the Jewish rabbi saying the same view as me, but you call his videos BS. I have Rabbi Apple saying we should consider the Exek 28 simile, but you term his witness as BS. You even mock the mainstream definition of trinity, and say all religions use your Father expressions idea. Just what makes us different, is your views of Christianity. I never heard of a Roman Edit before. If a Christian was a Christian in Roman days ( pre 100 AD) , they were fed to lions. Nothing about some Roman Edit, that happened when Constance the Emperor declared himself a pagan christian, ( around 300AD) so the pagan notion of false milk flooded into the true milk.
As for your Gnostic influence, that is a different matter?
D" As I have said – I have never met another Christian that argues against every aspect of Christianity in favor of a human prophet - cultROB" excuse Dave. I am more swayed by Jeff Benner. He is supposed to be liked by you too. D" Either you are extremely stupid - not well educated - indoctrinated into a cult -Rob" Most of my stuff does not come from Ellen White. Typical example is "saraph", she does not make comments about saraph directly.D" OR - you oppose just for fun - R" No, you mock. I don't. Have a look at spiritual springs and see how much I mock a fellow Messanic Jew called John, written as "P" spiritualsprings.org/ss-993.htmNo mocking of him, j ust a rebuttal and a kind one at that. No different to you. But if I go back and read what you and Richard say of me? What do I find? Go ahead and read what I say of John and the many quotes I made of his views... D" disrupt - deny - tear down R" John says Jesus never pre-existed. He also promotes a cardinally one strong authority like you do, being a Jew and all. D" Moving away = entropy – the farther from the source the greater the entropy – DUH ROB" correct  SO how do you move away from God? missing Why do you make God creating RA as some natural thing? if RA is associated with missing God? D" Entropy – a by-product of – inherent to – physical creation R" see? NO. Wrong. Bogus notion. You did not watch the Einstein video at all. RA is created because sinning creatures wish to see their sinnings. Not a by product of Creation at all. Bogus idea. Proof? Granite crystal rocks show plutonium halos that were created in 6 seconds or less in time frame. While you mock time as meaningless, what does a yom mean during Creation? Obviously the granite rocks were called into existence. Fully formed in milliseconds. The volcanoes, earthquakes, seasons and such like happened after the FLood, ie a consequence of sinning. When did RA appear on the earth? Some RA already was on earth before the Creation make over... Gen 1:2 Why? because sinning angels were already living on earth Rev 12:8 Most RA came after Adam sinned, and God cursed earth once more. You even mock verses before Adam's sin Ge 1:30...wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: Before Adam sinned, all animals were heribvores. You deny this verse don't you? D" Cool – there is no death – no satan – no consequence ROb" You didn't catch his words " just in the previous cases, RA is just a word invented by man where man has less of God's love in their hearts" After that the Jewish professor did not answer back. Darkness does not exist. Cold does not exist. RA does not exist. These are terms man have invented. The Bible is not GOD writing about GOD, but GOD writing about man and man's understanding of GOD in ways Man can understand. Proof? The moral laws of love, are written funny, not using heavenly words, but earthly words Ex 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage What is Egypt? house of bondage? Is this literal approach, or simile approach?
DO we ignore the phrase as a literal approach Dave?
Again is the entire ten words, a literal approach or a simile approach? What makes humans in bondage? Why does he first law say man needs a Saviour? Ho 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Who are these other elohiym powers before the father's face? Humans? hardly. Shad ? a function? who are the Shad? So with Dave's literal approach we can never read Scripture properly. Ex 20:12 ¶ Honour thy father and thy mother: Why are humans ask to respect father and mother? Is GOD the Father and Earth the mother? No? God is really packaged as relational: infinity as two functions of love, not one function of love as humans assume. That's strange three functions of love function as designed oneness. Yes As my human declared Infinity sets of different sizes of Infinity is possible in Maths. Free will, no consequence using free will. There is always a consequence using free will. God is not mocked a man reapth what he sows. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Jan 5, 2024 23:57:05 GMT -5
D"In America – we get together to praise the Lord – support one another – and learn scripture Why do you hate this? R" I don't. But in Russia why can't a Russian worship God the Russian way, Haven’t you ever heard of Russian Greek Orthodox - DUH‘ and in PNG the PNG people worship God the PNG way, and in ocker land Australia we Auzzies worship God the Auzzie way? What does this even mean – anything?R" What? I have Rabbi Cahn the Jewish rabbi saying the same view as me, but you call his videos BS. Nope called out your bull shit – you hear what you want – just because Enoch calls them fallen angels – does not prove your Ezk 28 self-made god of evilJust what makes us different, is your views of Christianity. I never heard of a Roman Edit before. Correct – one of us is a student of scripture – all of it – how it got here – who wrote itBookburning and Censorship in Ancient Rome JSTOR - www.jstor.org › stable by FH Cramer · 1945 · Cited by 148 — The transition from the Roman republic to the new monarchy had been brusquely emphasized by Julius Caesar. Extensive biblical revisions made by the Romans Showing ... Goodreads - www.goodreads.com › topic › show › 2245648... Mar 8, 2015 — The process of writing the Old Testament could more accurately be described as editing. Older material, both oral and written and from different ... Against Heresies (Irenaeus) – Wikipedia Against Heresies - "On the Detection and Overthrow of the So-Called Gnosis"), sometimes referred to by its Latin title Adversus Haereses, is a work of Christian theology written in Greek about the year 180 The Index Librorum Prohibitorum (English: Index of Forbidden Books) was a changing list of publications deemed heretical or contrary to morality by the Sacred Congregation of the Index (a former Dicastery of the Roman Curia); Catholics were forbidden to print or read them, subject to the local bishop.[1] Catholic states could enact laws to adapt or adopt the list and enforce it. Your precious KJV textus receptus was compiled / translated into Greek by Erasmus<10 years later – all writings of Erasmus were banned as heresy Giordono Bruno – was excommunicated from Catholic priest school – because he had a copy of Erasmus in his latrine – in 1600 he was burnt at the stake – because he published that stars in heaven might actually be other suns – maybe even suns with planets I never heard of a Roman Edit before. Correct – one of us is a student of scripture – all of it – how it got here – who wrote it One of us thinks the KJV is the only inspired Bible If a Christian was a Christian in Roman days ( pre 100 AD) , they were fed to lions. Nothing about some Roman Edit, OH – putting Pentecostal Messianic Jews / Gnostic Christians to death – is not an edit / censorship of information?
You should read actually which Christians were put to death – not all of themWhat is Caesars Mensah – is that an attempt to edit the information?--------------------------------------------- Rob" Most of my stuff does not come from Ellen White. Two separate gods locked in a cosmic struggle over God’s right to rule the universe – ENOUGH!-------------------------------------------- R" John says Jesus never pre-existed. He also promotes a cardinally one strong authority like you do, being a Jew and all. 100% Correct – Jesus – the Son of Man was not born until 6BC Mathew – or 6AD Luke
Biology did not pre-exist the creation of biology – DUH
Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God
Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God
Jesus Christ = (Jesus)+(Christ)------------------------------------------------------------ D"Moving away = entropy – the farther from the source the greater the entropy – DUH ROB" correct Moving from incorruptible heaven to corruptible physical reality – is a move even farther away
D" Entropy – a by-product of – inherent to – physical creation |
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Post by rob on Jan 6, 2024 0:40:57 GMT -5
Dave"100% Correct – Jesus – the Son of Man was not born until 6BC Mathew – or 6AD Luke
Biology did not pre-exist the creation of biology – DUH
Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God
Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God
Jesus Christ = (Jesus)+(Christ)
ROB" why do you write it this way? Do you have two souls for Jesus Christ, does Jesus have a biological soul and Christ a divine soul?
I don't get you. To me YHWH has existed from eternity,
somethings I do not understand
(1) Does YHWH have a soul (Hebrew word for living energy)?
We know when YHWH added humanity to himself, than YHWH has a soul, and that this soul died.
You split YHWH into Jesus the biology and Christ the eternal, not sure it is necessary to do even this. or why?
Worse you make YHWH an expression of the Father. But that's OK, you can have your theory. Rabbi Cahn has a theory much like mine.
I would consider Jesus Christ is the pre-existent one. After Mary's time the YHWH is added with humanity, which changed nothing about YHWH's power, only restricting some functions, such as removing Jesus-YHWH as omnipresence, now contained within a human body. Just my two pennies.
I do not see it necessary to split the natures of Jesus-YHWH.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 1:58:40 GMT -5
Dave"100% Correct – Jesus – the Son of Man was not born until 6BC Mathew – or 6AD Luke Biology did not pre-exist the creation of biology – DUH Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God Jesus Christ = (Jesus)+(Christ) ROB" why do you write it this way? This is the TrinityDo you have two souls for Jesus Christ, does Jesus have a biological soul and Christ a divine soul? The Arian Controversy
We discussed this at length – and you learn what? – NOTHINGMan is (flesh)+(spirit/soul) Arian asked was Jesus = (flesh)+(soul) at birth But when John Baptized Him Jesus = (flesh)+( soul – replaced by God) – as in a possession Or was Jesus (flesh)+(Christ) from birth The answer from the Nicaean council = The Trinity Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God The Spirit of God = the Holy spirit = Christ – all of the same substance Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God Jesus Christ = (Jesus)+(Christ) I don't get you. To me YHWH has existed from eternity,Christ is the pre-existent one / Christ = the image of God / Christ = God Jesus was born 6BC or 6AD depending just how infallible your scripture is word for word (1) Does YHWH have a soul (Hebrew word for living energy)?I was going to say – God is Spirit Then erased it - to simple of an answer Gnostic Honesty – God the Father is beyond our creation – larger than our creation But within creation – the Holy Spirit = the Spirit of God – God invisible But within creation the Holy Spirit forms the either / matrix / medium upon which all is build God = living Energy And Energy can spark – move – jump from one place to another (thus Jewish sparks) God radiated His glory – God expanded from a singularity to an omnipresent Spirit Energy can also take form. We know when YHWH added humanity to himself, than YHWH has a soul, and that this soul died.Absolute – anti-Jewish and Christian teaching – Life livesNo one killed Christ – or God – or the Holy spirit 1Pe 3:18 … He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Ruach. 1Pe 3:19 Through the Ruach He also went and preached to the spirits in prison. 1Pe 3:20 Long ago they disobeyed while God kept waiting patiently, in the days of Noah 1Pe 3:18 … being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, 1- biological Jesus died upon the Cross – dead 2- Christ the soul/spirit within – was released – life lives 3- now as Spirit free from the body – Christ preached to the Ghost from the time of Noah 4- resurrection = reincarnation – the living energy (spirit) returning to a body of biology You split YHWH into Jesus the biology and Christ the eternal, not sure it is necessary to do even this. or why?
I do not see it necessary to split the natures of Jesus-YHWH.Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: - DUH------------------------------------------- D" Correction Mr Honest – my God can exhibit GRACE – unrequited love – My God is capable of loving His creation all by Himself Rob" How uncanny you say that? John, another Messanic Jew said the exact same thing. :JOhn" I agree the Father is Tsuwr and that Yeshua is cela. They are both my rocks. In De 32:15, the Rock is the Father. In 1 Cor.10:4, the Rock is Yeshua. However, Yeshua was not a literally existing Rock in the OT. He was only a Rock through types and shadows." Jesus did not exist in the OT – I agree
However – Christ appeared in the OT as a man
Gen 18:22 … Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
Gen 18:22 … Abraham is yet standing before Jehovah.
No man can see the face of God and live Exo 33
Angels appear as men – might even be among us
AND - man can see the image of God
Jesus did not exist in the OT – I agree
However – Christ appeared in the OT as a manWe should not be trying to spiritualize everything in Scripture, especially when it comes to trying to make Yeshua pre-exist by reading him into the OT as a literal being instead of seeing him there through types and shadows". I agree forcing biological Jesus into the OT is errorP: "I agree that love was functioning before creation. Not between Yahweh, Yeshua and the Holy Spirit, but all within Father Yahweh Himself." ROB" I ask both of you gentlemen, how is this even possible? Unless you invoke self love? What is self love – no body knows except you
10 Key Bible Verses on God's LoveCrossway - www.crossway.org › articles › 10-key-bible-ver... Aug 26, 2023 — 10 Key Bible Verses on God's Love · 1. 1 John 4:7–12 · 2. Romans 8:35–39 · 3. Psalm 36:5–7 · 4. John 3:16 · 5. Romans 5:7–8 · 6. Isaiah 54:10. God is Love! Bible Verses & Scripture Quotes with Meaning Bible Study Tools - www.biblestudytools.com › topical-verses › go... 37 Jesus replied: “ 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. |
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Post by rob on Jan 6, 2024 2:33:36 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
D" Jesus did not exist in the OT – I agree
However – Christ appeared in the OT as a man
Question: do angels look and eat foods like man?
Easy answer - same answer as how can demon shape shift
They can make you see anything they want
Angels have ethereal bodies according to you and do not eat foods according to you.
Not true -just means they are bo 3D corporeal - be honest
D" I agree forcing biological Jesus into the OT is error
R" I don't. DO you? Explain the above.
Of course you don't - you want to make it hard and confisng
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Post by Richard on Jan 27, 2024 14:01:15 GMT -5
(google) What Is Antisocial Personality Disorder?kkjpsych.com › what-is-antisocial-personality-d... Oct 29, 2020 — Individuals with this disorder can be superficially charming and likeable, yet they tend to be cantankerous, and hostile Does the shoe fit Robert?
Robert is not fooling anyone. I have met many Roberts in my life. Deep inside he wants to believe, but has come from a community with no substance. All he has been exposed to are words in a book and the erroneous teaching of Ellen White. He is looking for a reason to justify his doubt. Anything that is presented to him as a Judeo-Christian teaching, he must find disrupt for others, prove wrong, and argue against; to justify his own disbelie The reason Robert is leaving is because you scare him. He has never met a believer before. He hasn’t -been able to cause you to doubt – like he does- so he is frustrated! |
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