The Origin of Satan

[Richard]

The Origin of Satan - Professor Elaine Pagels
1:10:00 hr

I found this to be fascinating and extremely educational. Every single word was filled with truth. I thought she would validate Dave’s archon teaching and it isn’t even the same conversation. She does not address the spiritual nature of Ephesians 6, or the teachings of Paul.

She talks about the natural tendency of man to blame another for his grief. She is only dealing with the effects of this negative force upon humanity, what scripture calls our spiritual warfare. To my surprise, not once does she ever refer to that spiritual warfare.

This video should be renamed as: The reasons the Christian Church preaches anti-Semitism.

[Dave]

This video should be renamed as: The reasons the Christian Church preaches anti-Semitism.
Every single word was filled with truth.
I agree

I thought she would validate Dave’s archon teaching and it isn’t even the same conversation.
I agree –
She is considered an expert in the Nag Hammadi material and does not / never talks about the archon, devils, demons
Yet she attends Christian church more today than she ever thought she would
And is invited to share her Gnostic message to many different Christian churches
Never does she contradict the OT or NT – nor have to

The message of the Gnostic material of the Hag Hammadi = salvation – wake up – remember who we are – we are children of God – -placed here for a limited time for a purpose

#1 teaching above all else
The (First) Apocalypse of James
The Lord said, "James, I praise your understanding and your fear. If you continue to be distressed, do not be concerned for anything else except your redemption.

#2 teaching = a personal spirit to Spirit relationship / experience - Baptism of the Holy Spirit
It is NOT about the biology – it is all about our spiritual experience

The Apocryphon of James
I say to you, 'Become full, and leave no space within you empty, for he who is coming can mock you."

Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul."

"Hasten to be saved without being urged! Instead, be eager of your own accord, and, if possible, arrive even before me; for thus the Father will love you."

"Become earnest about the word! For as to the word, its first part is faith; the second, love; the third, works; for from these comes life.

The Gospel of Philip
"Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing.

#2 teaching - It is NOT about the biology – it is all about our spiritual experience
The Apocryphon of James
Do you dare to spare the flesh, you for whom the Spirit is an encircling wall? If you consider how long the world existed <before> you, and how long it will exist after you, you will find that your life is one single day, and your sufferings one single hour. For the good will not enter into the world. Scorn death, therefore, and take thought for life! Remember my cross and my death, and you will live!"

But I answered and said to him, "Lord, do not mention to us the cross and death, for they are far from you."
The Lord answered and said, "Verily, I say unto you, none will be saved unless they believe in my cross. But those who have believed in my cross, theirs is the kingdom of God. Therefore, become seekers for death, like the dead who seek for life; for that which they seek is revealed to them. And what is there to trouble them? As for you, when you examine death, it will teach you election. Verily, I say unto you, none of those who fear death will be saved; for the kingdom belongs to those who put themselves to death. Become better than I; make yourselves like the son of the Holy Spirit!"

POINT – man is a spiritual being having a physical souljourn with a purpose
From God we came – souljourn here to Jer 1:5 – and return to God

Do you dare to spare the flesh, you for whom the Spirit is an encircling wall?
NO FEAR - you KNOW (gnosis) that upon mortal death – you are going HOME to be with the Father
FEAR only appears if you doubt what will happen next
FEAR only appears if you are afraid of what will happen next

#3 teaching – the REALITY OF THE ARCHON
‘Just outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human – and they have been manipulating our world from the outside for eons … some people call them demonic, some call them the serpent race, Islam calls them the Jinn’ – David Ike

Paul calls them the archon – as do all first and second century Greek authors of the NT – or the Nag Hammadi Library

Paul calls the archon OUR REAL STRUGGLE
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (archon), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Jesus Christ equates satanas with Beelzebub – an other-god of the Philistines – of the Gaza Strip
King Solomon tells us that Beelzebub is the King of all the demons
King Solomon tells the shedim are invisible biological creatures – yet can appear / disappear / and shape shift – and have some power over nature (rain, storms, fertility…)

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Paul – says they are our real enemy – Eph 6
John – says they deceive the whole world
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas, who deceives the whole world.

#4 teaching = the archon (the BEAST) are just beast of the field
Gen 3:1 But the serpent was shrewder than any animal of the field that Adonai Elohim made.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas,
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and satanas,

The Hypostasis of the Archons
"Within limitless realms dwells incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.

Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers (archon) or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.

POINT - The BEAST of Revelation - the dragon - the ancient serpent - that we call devils and satans
were never angels of God - they are created living creatures 

#4 teaching = the archon (the BEAST) are just beast of the field
Driven by (yester ra) as all beast are

#4 teaching = the archon (the BEAST) are just beast of the field
They procreate – Gen 6:1-4

The Hypostasis of the Archons
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring,

#5 teaching = The archon are NOT gods – they are a distraction
The Hypostasis of the Archons
Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.

She is considered an expert in the Nag Hammadi material and does not / never talks about the archon, devils, demons
WHY?
1- it is NOT her message to others – her message is focused upon salvation
2- the archon are not the focus of Gnostic Christian theology – the teaching – the message – it is a footnote

[rob]

Greetings Dave

Greetings Richard

The Origin of Satan - Professor Elaine Pagels

This researcher is well known and a good support person to Dave, we assume.

Do you have a transcript of her words and thus her support of your theory of view?

archive.org/details/originofsatan00page/page/n15/mode/2up

Here is her book

Can you copy and paste sentence where she supports your view?


Shalom

[Dave]

Rob - Do you have a transcript of her words and thus her support of your theory of view?
Rich his video should be renamed as: The reasons the Christian Church preaches anti-Semitism.
Dave - Yes – all of history support this view

[rob]

Greetings Dave

ROb kindly asked "Can you copy and paste sentence where she supports your view?

And Dave's reply was

Rob - Do you have a transcript of her words and thus her support of your theory of view?
Rich his video should be renamed as: The reasons the Christian Church preaches anti-Semitism.
Dave - Yes – all of history support this view

You did not answer my question. Are you normally like this?

Do I have to read through this source document looking for support for your theory?

Why can't you copy and paste the support I have asked for all this time?

It's your view, show us the support from other's?

Shalom

[Dave]

Dave - Yes – I absolutely support the view that this video accuracy describes the history of “the Christian Church preaching anti-Semitism”

Do I have to read through this source document looking for support for your theory?
That depends:
No one asked you to watch this video – your choice
If you want to make honest and intelligent comments on what is said – it would do you good service to know what was said
If it is too complicated for you – or you do not have the interest – then don’t watch it and keep your uninformed comments to yourself.

[rob]

Dave said " Do I have to read through this source document looking for support for your theory?
That depends:
No one asked you to watch this video – your choice
If you want to make honest and intelligent comments on what is said – it would do you good service to know what was said
If it is too complicated for you – or you do not have the interest – then don’t watch it and keep your uninformed comments to yourself.

A simple yes or no Dave. I am tired of reading your source documents that say nothing and do not support your view

Does archive.org/details/originofsatan00page/page/n15/mode/2up

her book use the terms "Archons" alot and the word "Satanas" alot?

Answer yes or no, not depends...

COme one Dave, does she support you or not?

I can't do a find in this link, sadly you pay money for her book, so really is truth free or something somebody sells to you


Does the video speak of "archons" and "satanas" Dave? Y/N

Shalom

[Dave]

If you want to make honest and intelligent comments on what is said – it would do you good service to know what was said
If it is too complicated for you – or you do not have the interest – then don’t watch it and keep your uninformed comments to yourself.

A simple yes or no Dave. I am tired of reading your source documents that say nothing and do not support your view
Dave - Yes – I absolutely support the view that this video accuracy describes the history of “the Christian Church preaching anti-Semitism”

Does archive.org/details/originofsatan00page/page/n15/mode/2up
her book use the terms "Archons" alot and the word "Satanas" alot?
Answer yes or no, not depends...
No it - accuracy describes the history of “the Christian Church preaching anti-Semitism”

COme one Dave, does she support you or not?
Dave - Yes – I absolutely support the view that this video accuracy describes the history of “the Christian Church preaching anti-Semitism”

I can't do a find in this link, sadly you pay money for her book, so really is truth free or something somebody sells to you

Wow – you should see my library – I am a book junkie
I like having the pages spread out in front of me
I have $1000s in Bibles and various religious texts – I have accumulated over the years
I often buy a book just for one chapter
$15 here - $20 there – it all adds up
Over the last 10 years libraries have downsized – let a lot of books go for $1
Me and Amazon are best friends – I buy 3-4 books a years – just received my own copy of the Gospel of Peter in Greek.

I have not included that text in my arguments – because it is not of the Nag Hammadi
In fact – it is not considered Gnostic at all – just non-Canon

But – studying scripture – church history – and Judaism – as it relates to Jesus Christ and His Gospel is my interest – my love – my focus – I buy religious texts like other men by hunting equipment or fishing equipment – video equipment – stereo equipment - or mechanic equipment – whatever helped them equip their interest / hobbies / passions

Does the video speak of "archons" and "satanas" Dave? Y/N
No it - accuracy describes the history of “the Christian Church preaching anti-Semitism”

If you want to make honest and intelligent comments on what is said – it would do you good service to know what was said
If it is too complicated for you – or you do not have the interest – then don’t watch it and keep your uninformed comments to yourself.

[rob]

Dave I specifically asked for scholars who support your view using words with "Archons" and "Satanas" in them.

Is this a hard request to you?

Not interested the history of “the Christian Church preaching anti-Semitism”

So I take this thread is now closed and you just admitted you don't have any evidence for your view.


PS I just did a search of her book

"archons"

Search inside (1 result)



archons

Page 201



38. Hypostasis of the Archons (NHC 11,4) 86.26-27.

WOW, Dave she mentions the word "archons" only once. Not really a discussion about archons is this?

footnote 38....

so for a lack of money I am not allowed to read for sentences quoting this footnote.



Shalom

[Dave]

Nov 7, 2023 10:07:38 GMT -5 Richard said:

I found this to be fascinating and extremely educational. Every single word was filled with truth. I thought she would validate Dave’s archon teaching and it isn’t even the same conversation. She does not address the spiritual nature of Ephesians 6, or the teachings of Paul.

She talks about the natural tendency of man to blame another for his grief. She is only dealing with the effects of this negative force upon humanity, what scripture calls our spiritual warfare. To my surprise, not once does she ever refer to that spiritual warfare.

This video should be renamed as: The reasons the Christian Church preaches anti-Semitism.

Hypostasis of the Archons (NHC 11,4) 86.26-27.
WOW, Dave she mentions the word "archons" only once. Not really a discussion about archons is this?
footnote 38....
so for a lack of money I am not allowed to read for sentences quoting this footnote.

Nope – just excuses from you
Nope – just lack of effort on your part
The Nag Hammadi is free open sourced on the internet

The Hypostasis of the Archons – The Reality of the Rulers
(Layton CGLP translation)
www.gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html

If you wish to engage me – only use the CGLP translation
Many of the translations are based on original work done by members of the Coptic Gnostic Library Project of the Institute for Antiquity and Christianity, Claremont Graduate School. The Coptic Gnostic Library Project (CGLP) was funded by UNESCO, Endowment for the Humanities, and other Institutions.

[rob]

Greetings Dave
Let's get to the fact of the Professor supporting Dave's view
How many times does she use the word "Archon" and "Satanas" Dave in her book or her audio?
The Origin of Satan - Professor Elaine Pagels
Answer: seems like once?
Without spending money I cannot be certain
but you have her book and read the book and listened to her audio
answer my question honestly... how many times?
SHalom

PS I listened for 18 minutes to this video

youtu.be/MLyyIVSkfeA
28 minutes
The Origin of Satan: Why Write This Book? - Dr. Elaine Pagels
some well meaning Minister said to me I should not be angry with God
makes no sense to me.
like to be angry at someone
the person who blocks you is devil, an obstacle, something bad'
I don't believe in Satan
where did the story come about
ardly mention in the Bible at all
3:01 Serpent is not a Satan in Eden.
Word Satan means to obstruct.
n Hebrew Bible, he is not a divine king in a court full of servant, some angels, one angel is checking out person for the Lord,
consider my servant Job, O yeah... he is a FBI agent
Satan destroys all his flocks and wealth, kill his children
wife says curse God and die
The Satan is not a bad figure, one of God's servants with a job to do.
God's spirit against Satan...in NT
Who invented that and why?
Groups talk about Satan, they talk about conflict on earth
so false people take over earth, ie a Satan symbol
why in the NT?
Read gospel of Mark again
Satan's people are people who oppose Jesus, powerful Romans
Not what I found.
Historically Jesus killed by Romans
Only people seen as responsible are Jews, ie Judas
Jews telling Pilate to kill him
Jews screaming for blood.
Romans thought he was a threat to Rome. Not what was going on
Gospels written after the death of Jesus...
Romans crushed Jews afterwards.
Followers of Jesus knew under suspicion
All important leaders killed
Dangerous to be a follower of Jesus.
Pilate was trying to be fair , weak guy gave in
What did Jews know about Pilate...
Pilate is cruel with no trial, he hates Jews.
Pilate did group control by killing people....
Disciples wrote this way to save their lives.
Picture Pilate as a fair Pilate for some reason
Point is
People talk about Satan, they talk about people
My own griefs... running a story about satan
Christians saw Jews are evil and wrote against them
Converting a Jews to a Christian would spell their death
all kinds of laws against Jews... Jews killed Jesus
JOhn tried to hide in code about the truth, Rome is the monster
In he narrative they are not.
John says who killed Jesus, Rome did.
17:12 Gospels soft pedal it, want to be safe.
Played itself out for 2000 years.... antisemitism in the NT
it's hidden
A friend read it and said never knew why they called me a Christ killer...
Stop listening to 18:57


So points she raises
(1) Does the Hebrew word STN both verb and noun mean "obstruct / Obstructor" 
clearly a word game for "oppose/opposer"

(2) Is the NT writers soft pedaling the accounts of the  gospel?
no they are not. God does not soft pedal truth. She didn't find the truth.

(3) Does the professor use the terms "archon" or "Satanas" . NO she does not.
So Dave, the professor does not support your views, not even close.
I suspect as a result of her deaths in her family, she is agnostic and does not like God empowering her life.

Shalom

[Dave]

OK – let’s be serious

Nov 7, 2023 10:07:38 GMT -5 Richard said:

The Origin of Satan - Professor Elaine Pagels

I found this to be fascinating and extremely educational. Every single word was filled with truth. I thought she would validate Dave’s archon teaching and it isn’t even the same conversation. She does not address the spiritual nature of Ephesians 6, or the teachings of Paul.

She talks about the natural tendency of man to blame another for his grief. She is only dealing with the effects of this negative force upon humanity, what scripture calls our spiritual warfare. To my surprise, not once does she ever refer to that spiritual warfare.

This video should be renamed as: The reasons the Christian Church preaches anti-Semitism.

So points she raises
(1) Does the Hebrew word STN both verb and noun mean "obstruct / Obstructor"
clearly a word game for "oppose/opposer"
Yes- clearly a word game – all you want to do is argue words

(2) Is the NT writers soft pedaling the accounts of the gospel?
no they are not. God does not soft pedal truth. She didn't find the truth.
Brevity - unable to respond

(3) Does the professor use the terms "archon" or "Satanas" . NO she does not.
So Dave, the professor does not support your views, not even close.
I suspect as a result of her deaths in her family, she is agnostic and does not like God empowering her life.

Nov 7, 2023 10:07:38 GMT -5 Richard said:

I thought she would validate Dave’s archon teaching and it isn’t even the same conversation. She does not address the spiritual nature of Ephesians 6, or the teachings of Paul.

Are you serious? – are you honest?

This video also does not say anything about Ezk 28 or Isa 14
Threfore - your own lodgic - both have nothing to do with your satan god

[rob]

My dear Dave, as a friend trying to validate your theory of satans and archons, I would like to see the Gnostic religion have some support by scholars, but alas it seems nobody is willing to use the word "archon" much and nobody has used the word "Satanas" as some different creature to the prosecuting angel (satan) God sends to help Him find sinning in humans.

I think Gnosticism is too new on the world scene, and it is still developing so nobody sees your views at all.

That is sad, because your theories are unsubstantiated.

I am not trying to discourage you, in fact I have spent many hours trying to validate your theories in some way, but I can't either.

Personally I prefer to study the torah as the torah reads, and not lean towards these supplement writings which so far are unsubstantiated by others.

Would you want to rest your eternal salvation on writings that are not supported very well by scholars? Roman edit aside. Mani edit aside. Zoroaster edit aside. When does all influence stop? Why not believe the messages in the torah are from GOD and hence perfectly reliable?

Makes our job so must easier?

D" This video also does not say anything about Ezk 28 or Isa 14
R" correct, but I am not validating my theories of faith, but looking for scholars who support your theories of faith.

SO far your support is very scant.

Shalom

[Dave]

My dear Dave, as a friend trying to validate your theory of satanas and archons, I would like to see the Gnostic religion have some support by scholars, but alas it seems nobody is willing to use the word "archon" much

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Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,(arhon)

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers (archon) or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.

David Ike – ‘Just outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human – and they have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons – some people call them demonic – some call them the serpent race – Islam calls them the Jinn’

Luke and Paul call them archon within canon
James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas call them archon outside of canon

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Does not matter what name you call them – demons – serpents – devils – demons – Jinn or archon
This group of creatures are 100% real and come in so many sizes and shapes with so many names – that the NT authors just called them collectively ARCHON

This is the REALITY OF THE ARCHON
This is 100% Jewish demonology
This is 100% Arabic Jinn – before Islam
This is 100% the other gods and demonology of the Levant
Before Jesus Christ – during Jesus Christ – and before the Roman Edit

and nobody has used the word "Satanas" as some different creature to the prosecuting angel (satan)
You just want to argue words so you can deny the truth

That is sad, because your theories are unsubstantiated.
You must argue against the truth to keep your Ellen White satanology valid

Col 1:16 Scripture says the archon were made by God for God
Consistent with the bulk of scripture – precept upon precept, line upon line
John 1:3, Rev 4:11, Isa 45:5-7, Gen 1:1-4, Gen 1:31

Unlike your inability to validate your Catholic self-made satan god
------------------------------------------

I think Gnosticism is too new on the world scene, and it is still developing so nobody sees your views at all.
Proof you could / would not take the time to watch 2 minutes and 30 seconds of “Top Aerospace Scientists Suspect UFOs are Biblical Time Machines”

22:50-24:30 - Point #3 – the instutionalzation of information – Roman Edit

24:31 – 25:20 – Point #4 – what is Gnosticism
what is Gnosticism – it is the form of Christianity before Rome instutionalized the belief
It is experiential - intimate knowledge

Your ignorance and complete lack of participation is obvious
But you are not serious enough – or honest enough to have a serious discussion
You just want to promote your Ellen White satanology false teaching – even if you cannot validate it from scripture

I am not trying to discourage you, in fact I have spent many hours trying to validate your theories in some way, but I can't either.
You cannot validate you own teaching here – so you are on the attack
Does not matter what I say – you just attack – deny – call names – and declare satan is a god

Personally I prefer to study the torah as the torah reads, and not lean towards these supplement writings which so far are unsubstantiated by others.

You say this- but it is a delusion – you do not defend the Torah – you defend the Catholic Catechism of Fallen Angels – a self-made entity of evil that you and Ellen White promote to godhood all based upon two words from a verse in Ezk 28

Your challenge #1
Precept upon precept, line upon line you cannot validate your satan teaching with scripture.
You cannot tell the difference between Hebrew satan and NT satanas who is of the beast
You rewrite scripture trying to bend it to support your teaching

Would you want to rest your eternal salvation on writings that are not supported very well by scholars?

You say this- but it is a delusion – you mean Roman scholars that defend the Catholic Catechism of Fallen Angels

Your challenge #2
BECAUSE – no one supports your self-made satan god before Rome invented him

D" This video also does not say anything about Ezk 28 or Isa 14
R" correct, but I am not validating my theories of faith, but looking for scholars who support your theories of faith.
Correct – you cannot validate your own teaching here
So out of childish frustration – you post anything to attack me

You call me lazy
Yet - I spend several hours with your satan nonsense each week

SO far your support is very scant.
Sorry Robert – the REAILTY OF THE ARCHON – permeates history and current events
Your denial – means absolutely nothing
Except – make others wonder why you work so hard to protect your satan god

[rob]

Greetings Dave

If you post many sources, "saying the names they are called does not matter" than why do you promote archons as a name so much?

The biggest difference between us is your idea that these SHAD or Shedim under various names, "serpents" . "demons", "archons", "sinning angels" whatever, exist separately to the HaSatan, and that the HaSatan is a different creature, a good angel doing the bad job of prosecuting humans for their sins.

Whereas mainstream Christian groups see HaSatan as the chief of the shedim or shad, and that their is no difference to the NT Shad and the OT shad, or between the OT Satan and the NT Satan. We see Satan as the chief SHAD who opposes human salvation.

Apart from your John and Job - The Satan's source document, with a little hint that the evil was done by some other being, you do not have an scholars who support this difference in evil agency.

D" Sorry Robert – the REAILTY OF THE ARCHON – permeates history and current events

ROB" I agree, the "whatever you call them" do permeate history, and current events, the SHAD and the chief SHAD have been with opposing humans for a long time, since the beginning.

Our difference is I see Satan as the chief being for his SHAD. They were all once messengers from heaven, ie angels that sinned.

You on the other hand see Satan as a good angel and the SHAD as archons creatures opposing man.

I have yet to see any scholar saying the Greek satanas word is a different creature than the Hebrew Satan word.

You published you book on this subject, where are your references and scholars? I am not trying to mock you, rather if your theory makes sense, than you should have some evidence.

I re-read your posts. So you are a book junkie. I met a Pastor once who had a collection of 10,000 books, filled a double garage with 12 shelves. I asked do you read them all? He said yes. I can't afford such things, but I do like reading. Most of my reading is on the www.

What would be your best book Dave? I stumbled across one by Dale Carnegie, how to influence people and be their friend. It's a hard book for me, read it 3 times already.

My first book I still have at grade 4 Googooga School, the Richest Sparrow in the World, published in 1963. My faviourite book is Bible readings for the Home circle, published in 1914. My oldest book is roughly 1880, which has a letter written in ink fountain style from England about being jailed for a sunday law decree.

My funniest book is Garfield or Foot Rot flats, I love the character Horse, also a cat.

Shalom