Greetings Dave
Dave: " My wife gave me this link, from a SDA Pastor a sermon on the Mark of the Beast, making comments about COV ID the last 2 years. Interesting to listen to, and will give you a different perspective.
However it goes for an hour.
youtu.be/7xhmCD-XJNQ?si=qOaGSdvnbJsV08t7 36:50 You find two errors the false church presents to the world:
1) the immortality of the soul (something Dave sees as the divine-spark in all humans)
2) The day of worshipping God's Sabbath on Sunday rather than Saturday. (it's hard to imagine but most Jews will switch to Sunday worship, rather than their traditions of Sabbath).
1) is called spiritualism... comes in various flavours.
sows what you want and makes you feel good.
lots of public miracles under spiritualism are performed
44:07 Satan uses all the powers of the elements, climatic elements. Mother Nature herself.
is this Climate change or the work of the Devil? We must declare a different focus.
2) Earth rest day and Sunday observance will be enforced. In the COVID disaster the money was still flowing, not a melt down. laws of the land should be obeyed, rather than God, ie earth rest day
They are working miracles and have the data.
48:15 verbal abusers, convince the person that is the persons fault they abuse with.
unite to bribe, persaude, compel all classes to honour Sunday. "will yield to the popular demand"
Politician are led by the masses of the people, not the government.
52:06 Virtue signaling, "an attempt to show to other person, you are a good person - especially on social media, got to have those thumbs up.
9 minute video, full measure.news.
on 170 channels, finding objective news is hard to do these days.
CDC credibility crisis
science wasn't good science.
we should have done things differently in the last two years.
experimental vaccine was more about choice...
you have not seen nothing yet with society choices... more is coming....
fear compulsion and persecution is three fold way to get people to change choice
God wants to gow our faith.
Truth sets you free. Nothing else.
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Dave's video He wanted me to watch
Jonathan's Encounter with Sorcerers & Principalities in Cuba
Jonathan Cahn Sermon - Oct 28, 2023 - 19:21 min
Occult is real, some fake it, falling away of America, explosion in the and land of the occult / witches than Pastors in the land of America
Light has to come head to head with darkness?
Rob" I thought God is the author and designer of BOTH light and darkness?
DIdn't you say GOD created even the satanas creatures ? So why is their a clash with them?
Cuba opened up gospel for one month. First part of our mission.
If you are on planet earth , most of you are, you are on a mission.
So we went to a place of witchcraft and pray there.
Seemed everybody was in a stupor, blocked, people stopped.
Cab takes off without us.
Lord if you want us their you go it. I gave up.
A phone rings, did you make an arrangement. All the believers are gathering and waiting for you to come? 5:00 pm we will get you transportation.
somebody overheard, they are coming,,, so the word spread....the entire city came to one place.
Lord give me a Scripture, open up to section, disciples with section to an encounter...
CHurch is big but overflowing out the door.
This city is filled with strong holds. say the Pastor
Sorcerer people are amazed with him, this area is his home base.
He controls the city and by a map, using accoult power.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities.
Pastor JOn Cahn, tells the story of the meeting in this area.
A man called SImeon practiced sorcery in the city. Time for this darkness to end.
A big gush blows through the church.
The believers be strong, not on defeated side.
One accord, praying, against the curse on the city. Bless the Jewish people.
So the Pastor brought me to the city.
Something changed at that moment. People received what they received.
Praying a Jewish pastor would come, a change came.
Revival had broken out in that region.
We are now following Jesus.
If you are a child of God you are in the war.
SIn is your first battle. You need to fight the good fight of faith.
Fight in the Spirit. God's will.Cannot fight against spiritual powers.
God will use your setbacks to give you great victory.
Rob" What a tremendous Jewish Pastor.. God bless His ministry.
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Reflection of your video Dave:
Pastor Cahn does
not use the word "satanas" or the word "Archon" or any word
except the King James translation "
principalities". You are pushing agenda of your own views upon others and this is a terrible thing to do on your part. Just my two pennies about your stand of this video.
I loved the Pastor and his stand, other sheep are of my fold God says in the last days. We all have to make a choice, and choice is all your have. Whom will your serve, says Joshua to Israel? As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
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Dave"
Yep – not Gnostic but Judaism 101
Yep – Judaism is monotheisticROb" I am glad I can finally speaking correctly about your view of the Father.
Dave"
How can I possibly know your vies?ROb" Ask me honest questions, not twist what I am trying to present to you, the torah and the torah alone must stand scrutiny, the truth must stand investigation. Truth cannot fail.
For example Why does Pastor Jon Cahn present the clash of darknesss with light? Your Father designed the principalities of darkness, and your Father is both light and darkness? So something is wrong here.
God cannot be the author of both light and darkness? Why did the people of Cuba have a great revival, going from darkess to light?
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Dave"
Yes Robert – I believe in possession – it is small scale and even rare at times
Humans do not need your satan to sin – man is fully capable of sinning all by himself"ROb"
rare? come on Dave, what was Jesus doing most during his time on earth? casting out demon possession from human minds?
I don't get you....
Why didn't the LORD GOD speak to the sar who causes JOB to sin, rather the LORD GOD talks to a prosecuting angel instead over Job's sins? How can an angel see the sins inside the mind of Job, the secret places of choice?
Why would God bother to ask a prosecuting angel that JOB was rescued from the sar of darkness and is now declared upright?
Why doesn't GOD ask the sar of darkness about this ? After all the sar of darkness causes JOB to sin?
Your theories are way off track? Are there any Jews willing to answer this question?
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ROBPP"
You didn't answer my question.
Where does the Jews say this directly, that Gnosticism is Jewish ?Dave"
The authors – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – were all Jewish - DUHROB" Pardon me Dave but Hebrew salvation is not Gnostic salvation, just because Jews are Hebrew does not make them also GNostic?
I suppose Jews teach that man as an immoral soul, a spark that lives after the body dies.
Gnostics also embrace this idea.
In fact most religions teach the dead go to heaven or hell right away upon death.
The torah
does not teach this idea at all. The Hebrew torah does not teach this.
So this is
one major doctrine we differ upon.
I have listened to your Rabbi speak "life lives" not a single Hebrew word to base this idea upon? Nothing. SHow me a Rabbi
willing to detail this idea using Bible verses? That would be something.
Jeff Benner the serpent
The serpent did not lie to Eve, the serpent deceived the woman with the truth.
Woman has changed the words God gave to Adam.
is this true?
God" knowing good and evil" one of power,
Gen 3:22 man become like one of us, knowing good and evil
defintion of ana elohiym
God said Adam would live for ever even after eating the fruit.
is this true?
God said "you will die" mot tamut
Woman says "you will die" Temutun
Serpent said "you will not die" Lo Mot Temutun
Somethings I would disagree with Jeff Benner
1) What does mot tamut mean?
How is this any different to "Temutun"
The fact is
eve did immediately die upon eating the fruit. God was correct saying your will "mot tamut"
What is death? Does Jeff explain this idea? no
The devil contradicteed both God and Eve, saying lo Mot Temutun
You will
not immediately die and you will live forever as long as you eat the fruit from the tree of life. (that part is left out by the serpent)
OK Dave" Is deceiving the woman with the truth" Jeff Benner words" is deception a sin" yes or no?
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Dave"
IF spirit is biology – how does the spirit of God enter man ROb" spirit is not biology
How does the Father's love come into humans via Faith in the words of Jesus, who is a witness to the Father's words of promise?
How? This is a mystery of GOD, the medium of the HS inside the compassion-centre, man is developed in the creation process, man gets a new spirit, a new heart a new life.
How" Nobody knows how the DNA causes the development. Nobody has uncovered the holy words that move the cells with living purpose. Such DNA code is hidden currently from man.
Mr 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God:
Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 15:51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
If we are already in heaven as a spark, how can we be changed ? some theory is wrong?
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
The Scritpure does not speak of which church, for God has many sheep in other folds. The assembly spoken of here is Hebrew, meaning to cross over to God.
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Why is elohiym with a Father and a Christ declared a mystery? Because it was not fully known in OT times, or lost by the Jewish edit since 850 AD.
So
what is a mystery?Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
These three verses
show profound mysteries.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of
the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Notice Jesus says ye are to be
born of "water" and "spirit".
A medium requires media.
Hence water and medium is a process.
You require both of these affects.
Next Jesus says flesh is flesh and medium is medium.
Man can be born of biology because biology is matter as water is matter.
Only Divinity is born of diviniity because mediums do not exist without matter, and GOD can exist without matter, so this is describing
something unknown, a mystery. For example How does God create matter from nothing? I don't know. How does God create character from Himself? I don't know. How does love come inside of us via faith using free will to choose this love? I don't know, it just does come inside.
Next Jesus says ye must be born again. Since man is not GOD, man has to enter the womb a second time and be born again, biologically? How is this possible Nicodemus asked?
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Jesus shows
the medium requires media and the process happens.
This is what wind is.
Wind is the medium affect of two different media moving, hot air and cold air.
SO a medium is a function upon matter.
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
My question to you is how does the creative work of the HS using the power of the father work in us to make in us a new spirit?
If GOD spoke the animals into existence in one day, surely GOD can speak into existence a renewed heart and mind with your co-operation? How long does this process take? All your life. Normally fetal development takes 9 months, but GOD has to undo all your propensities and allow your time to fix faith words on Him during the redevelopment.
The process
is a renewal of water and spirit, ie both biology and GOD.
In other words water is about matter, spirit is about GOD.
Your idea that the spirit is something we own as ours is wrong. God is God, and He gives us His spirit, not to control and own, but as a relationship to steward, to share, become a unit with Him as God is a unit.
Note the other Hebrew word "joined together"
yachad. Not not close enough to perfection.
But
echad, the design of compound unity, giving up independent free will to surrender you will to GOD, a unit of oneness.
NOT joined together as one accord (
Yachad).
While both Hebrew words are similar in affect, they are very different. As east is from west.
One is a human word yachid, joined together.
Other is a divine design, echad, a unit of oneness. Each member loses their independence and becomes one with the Father.
You said yourself we are like little candles of Jesus? DO you support this idea? We are a unit in Jesus, doing His will, not our own.
Dave"
So if all men are just God – as scientology teaches – why does your God sin, rebel, and oppose Himself
EXPLAIN YOURSELFROb" Mmm?
Notice the difference between yachad and echad
Ge 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
The operative word is the function
to cleaveJob 41:1 ¶ Canst thou draw out leviathan ?
Job 41:23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.
So the clinging is divinely designed for oneness, not something the animal does using it's own strength
Ps 63:8 My soul followeth hard after thee: thy right hand upholdeth me.
Here is a powerful verse, our soul is to be cleaved unto God's right hand.
Ps 109:6 ¶ Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
Here is another contrasting verse, the Opposer also empowers the wicked. a theme you do not like or understand.
Question: If this is an angel prosecutor, why is the prosecutor at the right hand of the sinner, empowering them to sin? Something wrong with your theories.
SO where does the sin, rebel come from?
Ps 82:1 Elohiym judgeth among the elohiym's.
Who are these?
Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Humans are elohiym's knowing both good and evil (Jeff benner Definition I agree too)
And
Ps 82:7....and fall like one of the princes.
Other "sar" who also are elohiym powers know good and evil.
Does Jesus term the devil a "Sar" ?
Yes He does
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
SO this "sar" is also in the OT here in Ps 82.
SO how would you describe the "sar" kingdom, his title and power and territory?
Ge 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Two important tress grow out of the ground.
One is called the tree of tov.
Obviously the Father is always functional.
The other tree is called the knowledge (gnosis) of good and evil.
That should alert Dave inot something is wrong with this tree, gnosis. Jeff Benner defintion of elohiym power is knowing both good and evil.
Question Does God know dysfunction? Yes, but Does the Father normally do dysfunction? NO
So why does the Father create RA if the Father doesn't do RA normally?
Consider light and dark. Light exists and dark does not exist.
So how does dark seem to exist in our domain? Obviously the light has to go away heaps and heaps for the darkness to begin to show.
What would cause this shift in God's power? broken relationships with His creatures.
Who causes the missing relationship? The creature does? Why? Because love come with free will and risk.
Love is not some robotic praise as Jews claim for angels.
Dave"
Then why did you deny they were biologyROb" Because Dave I do not understand biology within the realm of GOD, who is not matter or biology or spirit for that matter.
For example, we debated before, is light a wave (spirit) or matter (particle)?
I say both, you say wave only (spirit). We just do not know.
So science says some questions cannot be answered right now.
Science does say light is a consciousness, hence personal.
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Dave"
Correct – you teach that all men are just the HS
It is the HS that sins and does evil inside of man
I CONFIRN YES - that you have misrepresent me
And now you have changed your teaching – now you say all men are just GodROb" How many times must I correct you.
I have never changed my teaching, you fly off tangents dong your own twisting.
You do not even present your view, are you afraid to talk?
OK so if the spark
is requiring development by the baptism of the Spirit, what does this exactly mean Dave?
You teach the spark has forgotten so is brought back to remember? So what exactly requires re-development? Do you even have a second birth of re-development?
In my view the re-development
refers to the renewal of biology and character. The biology comes from man, and the character comes from God, but both are controlled by man within the man, as the term soul implies, man is living energy, and has the independence to develop as the free will chooses.
We are not all Father as you imply. You agreed all life comes from the Father as a subatomic level.
So you must also agree all loving and love at a subatomic level comes from the father also?
The Father's love is infintely variable so man can choose which personalities of loving he wants, you know there are 12 personalities of loving and maybe 4 kinds making 48 types already, assuming this is even a science fact?? Soem say the 12 tribes were aspect of love functions. My point is the man chooses which bits of love to choose, hence develops uniquely as you.
Dave"
You teach that the Spirit of God (some type of biology) comes inside man to dwell there to teach God or the HS that empowers manRob" Not bad Dave, I would not use the word teach.
Pr 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
You choose your faith words of promised power and the Lord empowers your choice daily.
Mr 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him,
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Another way of saying the same thing, by beholding Jesus we are changed into Jesus and walk as He walked and talk as He talked.
Dave"
You teach a bunch of munbo jumbo false teachingROb" I do? How?
Dave"
I have given you several video testimonials – The teaching of Jesus Christ that He promised the baptism of the Holy Spirit ROb" You have? How about the links to videos on these baptisms of the HS? so I understand your view because you are brevity.
Video of the baptism of the HS a video by DAVE
Today I was filled by the HS man, liked never before.
Speaking in tongues, I have speaking in tongues before.
I raised my hand, and the brother laid their hands on me.
took my breath away, they spoke in tongue.
I waste alot of time being religious, doing the emotions...
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How do you receive the baptism of the HS?
Be my witness says the Lord...
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Rob" Hmm?
Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them
by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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ROBPP"
How am I supposed to know this list makes Paul a Gnostic?Dave"
Why don’t you bother reading what I posted – DUHROb" You didn't write anything, you post Bible verses...
Dave"
Spirit – Faith not Law – the duality of man (flesh vrs the inner man) – Baptism of the Holy Spirit - All of it Gnostic – but is actually Jewish KabbalahROb Typical example,
what is this all supposed to mean? Where is your verses on each idea?
Dave"
Gnosticism is actually Jewish – Jewish KabbalahROb" SO Jewish are Hellenized are they? I thought Jews go back 900BC
Gnosticism is recent, from Greek times.
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Dve"
NOPE - bearing a false witness against your neighbor is a sin
NOPE – the serpent never told a lie
The only way the serpent's words are a lies – is if salvation is a lie
Jeff Brenner agress with me - not you
ROb" Did anything about Eve die immediatly when she ate of the fruit?
Jeff Benner says no, I say yes. What does Dave say?
Did
anything die immediately when Eve ate of the fruit?
I can think of one thing that died immediately? relationship
Relationship of Eve to Adam died... they mistrusted each other
Relationship of Eve to Medium died...the medium lost it's covering exposing her naked body
Relationship of Eve to Father died...she was fearful
Relationship of mind to DNA biology died .... the aven genes of epi-genetics encoded the action of choice as an inherited act of being rebellious
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Dave"
the "sar" of this world = the archon – the Beast of Revelation
the "sar" of this world = is NOT the heavenly prosecutor – asked to accuse JobROB" OK so why doesn't GOD talk to the "sar" of this world than in Job?
Dave"
If spirit is just biology ROb" a medium is not matter, it is a function. Biology is about matter. Matter is a thing, not a function.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
water is matter , a thing can also become biology
spirit is medium, a function, never existing without matter. A medium always functions when matter is present.
Not sure if this applies to GOD though. a mystery. God is not matter.
Dave"
1)
Explain Ellen White's Covenant theologyGod has not abandoned Israel. What does the hebrew word "hebrew" mean?
2)
Explain how Ellen White's two god concept is not ZoroasterianGen 20:13 explain why elohiym's exist in this Scripture
but Gordon refuses to acknowledege and you also
Ge 20:13 And it came to pass, when Elohiym's caused me to wander from my father's house,
Never heard of Zoroasterian until you brought it up?
3)
Expalian why Ellen White's two god concept is not polythiesmBecause elohiyym is a unit, not two joined as yachad, but unit as echad. The words are very different.
4)
Explain Ellen White's uses Islamic Advent math as foundational doctrineDoes she?
5)
Expalin why you deny the NT and its teaching - but call yourself a ChristianDO I?
6)
Expalin why you have the authority to rewite scriptureI do not change Scripture, I bring it back to OT eyes... Jeff Benner principle
7)
Explain why you teach that the sin of Eve was actually a sin-offering (a sacrifice) to the LordI don't
8)
Explain why you continually missrepresent me in an attempt to discredit meI only discredit your teachings, not you as a person.
9)
Explain why you continuall attack the word Gnostic - yet refuse to listen to its meaningMrs White speaks of a alpha and omega apostacy in the last days. My feeling is the omega apostacy is Gnosticism as it was the alpha apostacy in Pauls and Johns time.
10)
If spirit is just biology - explain the quickening of the spiritA medium is a function and cannot exist without matter. So a spirit cannot be biology.
Quickening is the presence of GOD making matter continue living, because the matter wishes to be saved from dying
Rob" I hope I have answered your questions to your satisfaction.
Shalom