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Post by Dave on Nov 18, 2021 12:18:21 GMT -5
youtu = Alien Origins of Gnosticism: The Dead Sea Scrolls & the Nag Hammadi Text - Documentary D" I did not recommend this video DID I? R" Yes I found this video with Icke and LA in it, the Nag Hammadi texts, and the Essenes, and you like the video too. It is perhaps the best so far in explaining your view, the origin of the archon and why they are here. Except the video does not explain too deeply the origin of the archon and why they are here doing harm to humans on earth with them also being on earth. Your David Icke videos do not go into why the archon are here and how they came to be. He says they are a race of beings – period So some details are lacking. Important details, that make our views different from each other.The only thing lacking is the Catholic Invention of a created being that evolved to change its form, purpose, and function – against God’s Will your satan redefined himself – then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will NO such thing as evolution in the spirit world – and NO evolution in the physical worldCol 1:16 all things – including the archon – made by him for him Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Lam 3:37 Who speaks and it comes to pass unless the Lord has decreed it? Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God, for who can straighten what He has bent? Ecc 7:14 In a time of prosperity, prosper! But in a time of adversity, consider: God has made one as well as the other. Therefore man cannot discover anything about his future. So some details are lacking. Important details, that make our views different from each other.The only thing lacking is the Catholic Invention of a created being that evolved to change its form, purpose, and function – against God’s Will your satan redefined himself – then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will NO such thing as evolution in the spirit world – and NO evolution in the physical world---------------- WHY? Easy answer FAITH has not been taught as FAITH The Roman Edit replaced FAITH with RELIGION and dependency on the church TODAY – RELIGION as presented is an empty message and fraught with Catholic MythologyCatholic’s invented satan and hell to force dependency upon the church – this entire theology did not exist in Judaism – or Messianic Judaism – and it did not become mainstream Christian theology until the First Christians were eliminated and their writings destroyed.TODAY – people are too educated to be RELIGIOUS So they walk away from the church and faithYET – the majority of the educated recognize Intelligent Design – they just won’t do “church” YET – The majority of the people say things like – “I’m spiritual but not religious” WE live in the Archon domain/kingdom – it is filled with all types of entropy/pain/hardship and death In my experience – adults come back to the church because they need – hardship/divorce/death/disease has brought them to the church seeking reason and answers The church tells them – Rom 8:28 – it’s all Feel Good – God is Love Usually – their lives continue on their downward spiral – and they leave the church Usually – reality continues to be reality The parents of sweet little Jimmy may have been long time church people – big supporters – even pastors – but after little Jimmy dies a useless innocent death – parents leave the church – get divorced – turn to alcohol Roman Christendom has been around for 2000 years and its legacy is corruption / collusion / inquisition / racism / and the common impression that - “If there is a God – he is ineffective or does not care”The value of the David Ike is that is speaks to everyone – even if you are a UFO atheist it is hard to find error with his words – if you are a UFO intra-dimensional visitation believer it is hard to find fault with his words – if you are a Christian it is hard to find fault with his words Just outside our field of vision or entities – that are anything but human – that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eonsthe best so far in explaining your view – Let’s test Robert’s theory Definitions firstThe Gnostic Library Society The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of thirteen ancient books (called "codices") containing over fifty texts, was discovered in upper Egypt in 1945. This immensely important discovery includes a large number of primary "Gnostic Gospels" – texts once thought to have been entirely destroyed during the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy" From the INTRODUCTION of my copyThe Nag Hammadi Library is a collection of religious texts that vary widely from each other as to when, where, and by whom they were written. Even the points of view diverge to such an extent that the text are not to be thought of as coming from one group or movement. Correct – it is a Library! Filled with different texts! Not all of the same theme!THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN TWO TYPES OF JUDAISM – DUHPharisees – believe in the Spirit / in the afterlife – spirituality Sadducees – are the protectors of the LAW – no after life only grave The First Christians are a mixture of both – some believe in spirit – some do not Christianity was a big change for some – to become spiritual – to become Born Again – to speak in tongues or heal with the hands There are still Christian today that teach the sethian view They preach no spirit – only grave – Gen 6 were the sons of Seth – just other menDO YOU KNOW ANYONE LIKE THAT?The Sethians teach you can learn your way to (ACCEPTABILITY)/salvation No spirit = no spiritual help / No spiritual intervention / No spiritual salvationHowever – all Jesus spoke about was the spirit and the spiritualHowever – all Jesus spoke about was the Salvation of the SoulIn the Nag Hammadi LIBRARY – there is a section of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Thomas, and even Mary Magdalen – there is a letter from Peter to Phillip – there is a prayer by Paul I have only studied this section – because this section agrees with the agl because it was written by the same authors.Those who collected this library were Christians, and many of the essays were originally composed by Christian authors. In a sense this should not be surprising, since primitive Christianity itself was a radical movement.the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy" – Rome’s struggle to be dominate Rome vrs Gnostics - The Roman Index – is not a secret conspiracy –it is a Book(Wiki) The Index librorum prohibitorum ("List of Prohibited Books") was a list of publications deemed heretical or contrary to morality by the Sacred Congregation of the Index (a former Dicastery of the Roman Curia), and Catholics were forbidden to read them without permission It was first started in 180AD by Irenaeus of Lyon France (Wiki) Against Heresies, or On the Detection and Overthrow of the So-Called Gnosis, sometimes referred to by its Latin title Adversus Haereses, is a work of Christian theology written in Greek about the year 180 by Irenaeus, the bishop of Lugdunum (now Lyon in France). In it, Irenaeus identifies and describes several schools of Gnosticism, as well as other schools of Christian thought, and contrasts their beliefs with his conception of orthodox Christianity. Until the discovery of the Library of Nag Hammadi in 1945, Against Heresies was the best surviving contemporary description of Gnosticism.AND THE DEFINITION OF THE TERM “Gnostic”= unacceptable to RomeWho is this Gnostic Valentinus(Wiki) Valentinus (also spelled Valentinius; c. AD 100 – c. 160) was the best known and, for a time, most successful early Christian gnostic theologian. He founded his school in Rome. According to Tertullian, Valentinus was a candidate for bishop of Rome but started his own group when another was chosen. Valentinus produced a variety of writings, but only fragments survive, largely those embedded in refuted quotations in the works of his opponents, not enough to reconstruct his system except in broad outline. His doctrine is known to us only in the developed and modified form given to it by his disciples. He taught that there were three kinds of people, the spiritual, psychical, and material; and that only those of a spiritual nature received the gnosis (knowledge) that allowed them to return to the divine Pleroma, while those of a psychic nature (ordinary Christians) would attain a lesser or uncertain form of salvation, and that those of a material nature were doomed to perish Why would organized Roman Christendom frown of Vanentinus?Valentinus – was a leading Roman Christian – founded a school of theology in Rome – was in contention for BISHOP of all Rome, but voted down, then persecuted, and Indexed to the point that the only thing of him that remains is – criticism of him by Rome He taught that there were three kinds of people, the spiritual, psychical, and material. Material people are carnal-centered and are sinners / not-saved / not even seeking. Ordinary Christians are believers (different that gnosis) and they need Church for spiritual support and guidance – the church can lead and teach ‘Ordinary Christians’ therefore govern these Ordinary Christians The gnosis group – once you are Born Again / baptized by the Holy Spirit / indwelt by the Holy Spirit – in communion with the Creator Himself –what do you need church for? – Except maybe to lead the church – can’t have that – it is a threat to the churches authority! As the Jews say – once you become BIG you are ungovernable! Some call it a Spiritual Revelation – to some it is an awakening To a Gnostic it not new information – it is Torah that we knew from the womb as soul, but forgot as (Mind-Body) animal man – we remember who we really are = Soul not (Mind-Body) 3D dust of creation The end result of the Roman EditThe agl is a very nice well written text – edited to support only the Rome-Centric / ‘Ordinary Christian’ doctrine. While many of what Rome calls Gnostic text survive in only one totting and damaged ancient codex Again from the INTRODUCTION of my copyThe texts were translated one by one from Greek into Coptic, and not always by translators xapable of grasping the profundity or sublimity od what they sought to translate. The translator od a brief sections of Plato’s Republic clearily did not understand the text … Fortunately, most texts are better translated, but when there are duplications one can sense the difference a better translation makes in comparison to the poor translation – which leads one to wonder about the bulk of the text that exist in only one single version. There is this same type of hazard in the transmission of the texts by a series of scribes who copied them, generation after generation, from increasing corrupt copies, first in Greek and then in Coptic. The number of unintentional errors is hard to estimate, since such a thing as a clean control copy does not exist; nor dose one have, as in the case of the Bible, a quantity of manuscripts of the same text that tend to correct each other when compared. Hundreds of copies of the synoptic Gospels were compiled together to make the modern Roman Canon How many copies of the Gospel of Phillip exist in the entire world – ONE Thank you Roman Edit What’s the difference between a Gnostic Christian and an Roman ChristianWhat must I do to be saved?Roman Christendom says - “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). www.thechristianworldview.org/about-us-2/what-must-do-to-be-saved/Nag Hammadi says - He (Jesus) said, "Verily I say unto you, no one will ever enter the kingdom of heaven at my bidding, but (only) because you yourselves are full. … I say to you, 'Become full, and leave no space within you empty, for he who is coming can mock you." … Therefore, you must be in want while it is possible to fill you, and be full while it is possible for you to be in want, so that you may be able to fill yourselves the more. Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul." (The Apocryphon of James) Verily, I say unto you, none of those who fear death will be saved (The Apocryphon of James) (53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?" He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable." (The Gospel of Thomas) … he (Jesus) said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing. (The Gospel of Philip) RepenetanceGnostic - It is therefore fitting to pray to the father and to call on him with all our soul - not externally with the lips, but with the spirit, which is inward, which came forth from the depth - sighing; repenting for the life we lived; confessing our sins; perceiving the empty deception we were in, and the empty zeal; weeping over how we were in darkness and in the wave; mourning for ourselves, that he might have pity on us; hating ourselves for how we are now. Again the savior said (cf Mt 5:4, Lk 6:12): "Blessed are those who mourn, for it is they who will be pitied; blessed, those who are hungry, for it is they who will be filled." Again he said (cf. Lk 14:26), "If one does not hate his soul he cannot follow me." For the beginning of salvation is repentance. Therefore (cf. Acts 13:24), "Before Christ`s appearance came John, preaching the baptism of repentance." And repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation. Therefore he said through the spirit to the prophet (cf. 1 Cl 8:3), (The Exegesis on the Soul) Feel Good-ismRom 8:28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. Gnostic - (82) Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom." (The Gospel of Thomas) Gnostic - Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?" Then a voice called out to them from the appearance saying, "Now you will fight against them in this way, for the archons are fighting against the inner man. And you are to fight against them in this way: Come together and teach in the world the salvation with a promise. And you, gird yourselves with the power of my Father, and let your prayer be known. And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me. (The Letter of Peter to Philip) MultidimensionalityAs a scientist I am a 10 dimensional fanatic – String Theory – M Theory – 10 dimensions Recognized by the Rabbinic sages as long ago as 13th Century Nachmanides All of the Nag Hammadi speak to other localities of existence – and multidimensionalism Gnostic - (113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?" <Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it." (The Gospel of Thomas) Gnostic - What, then, is the resurrection? It is always the disclosure of those who have risen. For if you remember reading in the Gospel that Elijah appeared and Moses with him, do not think the resurrection is an illusion. It is no illusion, but it is truth! Indeed, it is more fitting to say the world is an illusion, rather than the resurrection which has come into being through our Lord the Savior, Jesus Christ.( The Treatise on the Resurrection) Criticism of Modern Christendom – RomeGnostic - (38) Jesus said, "Many times have you desired to hear these words which I am saying to you, and you have no one else to hear them from. There will be days when you will look for me and will not find me." (39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves." (Gospel of Thomas) Gnostic - If one goes down into the water and comes up without having received anything, and says "I am a Christian," he has borrowed the name at interest. But if he receives the Holy Spirit, he has the name as a gift. He who has received a gift does not have to give it back, but of him who has borrowed it at interest, payment is demanded. This is the way it happens to one when he experiences a mystery. (The Gospel of Philip) Gnostic - "For many will accept our teaching in the beginning. And they will turn from them again by the will of the Father of their error, because they have done what he wanted. And he will reveal them in his judgment, i.e., the servants of the Word. But those who became mingled with these shall become their prisoners, since they are without perception. And the guileless, good, pure one they push to the worker of death, and to the kingdom of those who praise Christ in a restoration. And they praise the men of the propagation of falsehood, those who will come after you. And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error, and into the hand of an evil, cunning man and a manifold dogma, and they will be ruled without law." "For some of them will blaspheme the truth and proclaim evil teaching. And they will say evil things against each other. Some will be named: (those) who stand in (the) strength of the archons, of a man and a naked woman who is manifold and subject to much suffering. (The Apocalypse of Peter) Gnostic - "And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals." (The Apocalypse of Peter) the best so far in explaining your view – Let’s test Robert’s theory
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Post by Dave on Nov 18, 2021 15:58:39 GMT -5
youtu.be/K_4OrKZlL1MAlien Origins of Gnosticism: The Dead Sea Scrolls & the Nag Hammadi Text - Documentary Oct 7, 2019 - The 5th Kind In 1945, a discovery was made in Nag Hammadi, Egypt, that is rewriting the history and destiny of humanity. #1 – I love Graham Hancock’s worksNag Hammadi found at the same time as WWII ends – Dead Sea Scrolls found – Israel become a Nation 2:00- The teaching of leaving this body behind and becoming spiritual - a spiritual beingCorrect – leave this world at mortal death and join the host in heaven who are all spiritual beings Be not of this world – but long for the next 2:20 Now he says the Essenes were Gnostic – I see them as Jewish zealots
2:45 – He says - these Jewish Gnostics are a UFO contact groupYES – the angels (messengers) rode vehicles that we would call UFOs today3:10 – the humans transformation into a celestial being 2Co 12:2 I know a man in Messiah (whether in the body I don’t know, or whether out of the body I don’t know—God knows)—fourteen years ago, he was caught up to the third heaven. 2Co 12:3 I know such a man (whether in the body or outside of the body I don’t know—God knows)— 3:30- the angels themselves are also extraterrestrial Question – were they born on earth?Answer – NO – they are alien and extraterrestrial by definition Shakespeare – A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet3:40 Roswell Crash – (you know I have a personal witness here) POINT – he is making an unreal comparisonYes – it happened at the same time - agreed Yes – it did start the UFO/Alien conspiracy underground – agreed NO – it was not the FIRST CRASH in the area The Aurora UFO Incident - 1897, when, according to locals, a UFO crashed on a farm near Aurora, Texas The Alien pilots lived for a while before they died – the town’s folk buried the aliens in the local cemetery. That cemetery has been dug up so much that the state made a Law (after they dug it up to say nothing here – move on) Roswell Crash in history – is the birth of “free-lance investigative journalism” Anyone can be published if their story is good enough The 1960s saw an explosion of UFO believers – and the real comparison = The 1960s saw an explosion of public misinformation MAYBE it’s true – MAYBE it’s not 4:16 – How does the UFO phenomena relate to scripture and the archonMatthew 24:37-39 – the end of days will be like the days of Noah Archon – aliens breeding with human women – or trying to – and people are receptive to this reality Archon – aliens secret agreement with shadow governments – and people are receptive to this reality Archon – aliens are Intra-dimensional visitors – but that’s OK they are just biology from other planets Archon – demons and spirits are OK to dabble in because they don’t exist – it is just a game Rev 16:13 Then I saw—coming from the dragon’s mouth and from the beast’s mouth and from the false prophet’s mouth—three unclean spirits like frogs. Not spirits – just biology from another planet - a deception5:00- He says – those texts were a direct threat to the authority structure then (First Century) And they are a direct threat to the authority NOW (TODAY)I remember 1963 (do you?) Isaiah was proven word for word correct with today’s Bible – AMAZING NEWS – my parents went on and on about the validation of scripture – we could not wait to hear more. BUT – more never came because it didn’t turn out as the church hopped BUT – more never came out because it didn’t turn out as the Jews hopped 5:40- He claims they were – covered up5:15- John the Baptist an Essen? He was 100% a Jewish Zealot outside of Temple Judaism He was 100% a spirit believer – and He recognized Jesus for who He was – spiritual discernment 5:30- DO CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN EXTRATERRESTERIAL BEINGS?I DO – God, Christ, HS, angels, archon – none were born on earth6:00- Nag Hammdi Library7:10- They are called Gnostic texts – because they are outside of Rome 7:40- there seems to be a force at work to hide/silence this informationAnswer – mainstream Christendom has to give up their satan god of evil Answer – it indicates that ROME has taught and depended on a LIE for centuries Answer – it indicates /reveals the extent of the Roman Edit upon the faith Answer – mainstream Judaism become Messianic Christianity I am not a Jew – I cannot be a Messianic Jew- by definition I am not a Roman Christian – by definition I am a Gnostic Christian! 7:50- there is a force allowing this “new/ancient’ information to slip outAnswer - God’s Will – God’s Plan Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 8:45- Quote – “amongst those eerily Christian groups – one group called themselves Gnostic”Correction – all he speaks of = Dead Sea Scrolls (I have dabbled) + Nag Hammadi (I have studied) – neither call themselves Gnostic – there were termed Gnostic in 1945 by the Judeo-Christian Western Roman Christendom authorities of 1945 “They believed there is a divine spark within you”Correct – we are spirit – created on Day 1 with all the host of heaven – agreed – 100% Jewish “the mission is to liberate that divine spark (spirit)” Correct – the afterlife is 100% real – the spiritual reality is real – the spiritual reality of the archon is real Or mission is to remember – what we already know deep inside (awaken yester tov) This world is not our home – we are visitors here – and we will all return home one day When we do – with the Father be proud of us – or will we just be embarrassed for the life we led? Prodigal Son – or just we just come back because we are dying “providing the ‘knowledge’ that will lead us to the ‘saving knowledge’ that would lead us to the ‘true nature of things’”Is this not the point of all scripture? Precept upon precept, line upon lineto the ‘saving knowledge’ that would lead us to the ‘true nature of things’”YES – wake up – recognize what is in your sight – there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD YES – wake up – recognize what is in your sight – (1) Rosh Hannah – from the beginning (2) Yom Kippup – is there anything I need to atone for (ask conscious – ask yester tov) – (3) Sukkot – God does tabernacle with man TWICE (Jews say once in a tent and once in a Temple / Christians say once in a building and now in my heart) – (4) Prium – Wake up salvation is only by the Lord (5) Passover – 3 part Holiday – Sacrifice of the Lamb for the people – (6) 50 days later = Pentecost the Harvest Feasible It is the Jewish parade of life for all the world to see – Recognize what is in your sight “lead us to the ‘true nature of things’”REALITY = SCRIPTURE / reality validates scripture – no matter how you look at it – there is the Hand of God“NOT the illusion painted for us”Mind control – the illusion of freedom – the system – 100% David Ike 8:55- Elon Musk – is life a virtual reality illusion?Maybe there IS a Master GAME PLAYER (Intelligent Designer) and were are pawns in His game 100% Gnostic Contest Authoritative TeachingAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish. He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists. And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world 100% Gnostic ContestGen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; 100% Gnostic Contest The Treatise on the ResurrectionWhat, then, is the resurrection? It is always the disclosure of those who have risen. For if you remember reading in the Gospel that Elijah appeared and Moses with him, do not think the resurrection is an illusion. It is no illusion, but it is truth! Indeed, it is more fitting to say the world is an illusion, rather than the resurrection which has come into being through our Lord the Savior, Jesus Christ. But what am I telling you now? Those who are living shall die. How do they live in an illusion? The rich have become poor, and the kings have been overthrown. Everything is prone to change. The world is an illusion! - lest, indeed, I rail at things to excess! 9:35- David Ike’s SimulationGen 6 – counterfeit spirit = Nephilim = Rephiem = dilution + dilution = the 13 families today 11:25 Paul warns is of these archonic spirits Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,(ARCHON) 11:40- The difference between the Essenes and the Zadakeins Pharisees and Sadducees / Valintinian Gnostics and Sethian Gnostics Most Christians and the Jehovah Witness or the SDA Zadakeins – teach you can do it yourself Essenes –taught spiritual redemption and spiritual UFO reality You said – you were interested when they say – it is the fastest growing theology todayPOINT – it is not new – it is the oldest most widely accepted view by the 99% You just never were exposed to it – taught about it – all your focus is upon Hebrew satan In fact – you have been taught to deny it all – DON’T LOOK AT IT AGAIN – there are two forces at work1- The Alien agenda They are returning aliens – to save or conquer earth NOTHING SPIRITUAL HERE – move along 2- There is the ‘I hate church” view – the archons are the ancient alien gods that made us Very Hindu – ancient astronauts 3- Gnostic Christianity – the ahl + agl is the target mean – how do these new text support or deny that mean ANSWER – every text by James, John, Paul, Peter, Philip, and Thomas – support Jesus Christ – support the One True Creator – support the Trinity – support the spiritual - support the call to believe AND – also support the call to be more than just a believer – So I like doing this research Dave into Gnostic views of things, perhaps it was the true Christian view, perhaps it is not. – POINT – this was the common knowledge – at the time of Jesus Was this the common theology of Jesus’s audience? POINT – it was the theology of the First Century Christians in Egypt POINT – it was also the theology of the Essenes – First Century Jews – that he calls Gnostic POINT – it was the theology of the authors of the agl – that survived the Roman Edit perhaps it was the true Christian view,There is only one glaring difference between these “Gnostic texts” and mainstream Presbyterianism Protestantism / Calvinism / Reformed church That one difference = (1) The Roman identity of satan and the idea of a god of evil – that hates God and changes God’s Plan against God’s Will (2) God’s Plan is God’s Will – The BEAST of REVELATION – devils, satans as of Chaldean origin, the serpent race = archon (Col 1:16 + Prov 16:4 – created by Him for Him) The ahl has no creation story for The BEAST of REVELATION – devils, satans as of Chaldean origin, the serpent race = archon (Col 1:16 + Prov 16:4 – created by Him for Him) - God’s Plan is God’s Will The best they have is King Solomon and Enoch It lacks details The agl does have a creation story – Rev 12:3 – it appeared out of thin air – poof It lacks details Gnostic texts add that detailThey were made by the Left Hand of God – the HS – with some matter (NOT ETHEREAL) It was never perfect in any way – it was ugly and it thoughts were only of SELF She (HS) hid it away in a cloudy of smoke and fire Rev 12:7 – cast to earth Gen 1:2 and earth was chaos and choshek Islam says – Interestingly - The Jinn are made of SMOKE AND FIRE perhaps it was the true Christian view,There is only one glaring difference between these “Gnostic texts” and mainstream Presbyterianism Protestantism / Calvinism / Reformed churchThat one difference = (1) The Roman identity of Catholic satan and the idea of a god of evil – that hates God and changes God’s Plan against God’s Will (2) God’s Plan is God’s Will – The BEAST of REVELATION – devils, satans as of Chaldean origin, the serpent race = archon (Col 1:16 + Prov 16:4 – created by Him for Him) (3) the Gnostic Contest on earth established by Him (Gen 3:15) Daivd Ike – blah blah blah - do I support all this – it is not MEAN – it is askew – a lot of what he says is OK – YET – he goes too far trying NOT to be religious Is the Archonic force the driving force behind all the conspiracies - YES Is the Archonic force the driving force behind many religions – YES Is the Archonic force the driving force behind all the media – YES Is the Archonic force the driving force behind all the governments - YES Personal Story – Helen Van Roggen – born in England – ER trauma RN – used to ride a helicopter for the British Navy. Studying to be an Episcopal Priest She didn’t understand why so many of her co-workers believed in UFOs As we discussed the Rapture – I said, how else would secular world explain it away as a natural phenomenon – ‘it is an alien abduction - spend more for defense’
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 15:33:07 GMT -5
Dave selects texts that define Gnostic views correctly as He sees the Gnostic view.
Gnostic - (113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?" <Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it." (The Gospel of Thomas)
Gnostic - (82) Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom." (The Gospel of Thomas)
Gnostic - Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?" Then a voice called out to them from the appearance saying, "Now you will fight against them in this way, for the archons are fighting against the inner man. And you are to fight against them in this way: Come together and teach in the world the salvation with a promise. And you, gird yourselves with the power of my Father, and let your prayer be known. And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me. (The Letter of Peter to Philip)
he (Jesus) said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing. (The Gospel of Philip)
These texts are interesting to say the least. Do you have a video that puts them together in a Gnostic view of salvation, you approve of?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2021 11:45:26 GMT -5
These texts are interesting to say the least. Do you have a video that puts them together in a Gnostic view of salvation, you approve of?
Thomas, Thomas, Peter, and Phillip – all disciples of Jesus Christ and none of them disagree with the agl
The Gnostic Revelation is focused upon our real struggle – The Realty of the Archon The Reality of the demons, serpent race, satanas, devil, the Beast of Revelation 100% real – TANGIBLE – here today – everywhere – woven into the fabric of our society
James, John, Paul, Peter all authored the agl canon Thomas and Philip were right there with them – with Jesus Christ – before and after
a Gnostic view of salvation, you approve of? What did these men say?
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The Apocryphon of James lo, the Savior appeared, after departing from us while we gazed after him. And five hundred and fifty days since he had risen from the dead, we said to him, "Have you departed and removed yourself from us?" But Jesus said, "No, but I shall go to the place from whence I came. If you wish to come with me, come!"
They all answered and said, "If you bid us, we come." He said, "Verily I say unto you, no one will ever enter the kingdom of heaven at my bidding, but (only) because you yourselves are full.
Then Peter replied, "Lo, three times you have told us, 'Become full'; but we are full." The Savior answered and said, "For this cause I have said to you, 'Become full,' that you may not be in want. They who are in want, however, will not be saved. For it is good to be full, and bad to be in want. Hence, just as it is good that you be in want and, conversely, bad that you be full, so he who is full is in want, and he who is in want does not become full as he who is in want becomes full, and he who has been filled, in turn attains due perfection. Therefore, you must be in want while it is possible to fill you, and be full while it is possible for you to be in want, so that you may be able to fill yourselves the more. Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul."
But I answered and said to him, "Lord, we can obey you if you wish, for we have forsaken our fathers and our mothers and our villages, and followed you. Grant us, therefore, not to be tempted by the devil, the evil one." The Lord answered and said, "What is your merit if you do the will of the Father and it is not given to you from him as a gift while you are tempted by Satan? But if you are oppressed by Satan, and persecuted, and you do his (i.e., the Father's) will, I say that he will love you, and make you equal with me, and reckon you to have become beloved through his providence by your own choice.
"Hasten to be saved without being urged! Instead, be eager of your own accord, and, if possible, arrive even before me; for thus the Father will love you."
"Come to hate hypocrisy and the evil thought; for it is the thought that gives birth to hypocrisy; but hypocrisy is far from truth."
"Become earnest about the word! For as to the word, its first part is faith; the second, love; the third, works; for from these comes life. For the word is like a grain of wheat; when someone had sown it, he had faith in it; and when it had sprouted, he loved it, because he had seen many grains in place of one.
"Therefore, I say to you, be sober; do not be deceived! And many times have I said to you all together, and also to you alone, James, have I said, 'Be saved!' And I have commanded you to follow me, and I have taught you what to say before the archons. Observe that I have descended and have spoken and undergone tribulation, and carried off my crown after saving you. For I came down to dwell with you, so that you in turn might dwell with me. And, finding your houses unceiled, I have made my abode in the houses that could receive me at the time of my descent."
"Do not make the kingdom of heaven a desert within you. Do not be proud because of the light that illumines, but be to yourselves as I myself am to you. For your sakes I have placed myself under the curse, that you may be saved."
The Gospel of Thomas (53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?" He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."
(69) Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have been persecuted within themselves. It is they who have truly come to know the father. Blessed are the hungry, for the belly of him who desires will be filled."
The Gospel of Philip Some are afraid lest they rise naked. Because of this they wish to rise in the flesh, and they do not know that it is those who wear the flesh who are naked. It is those who [...] to unclothe themselves who are not naked. "Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit.
The (First) Apocalypse of James The Lord said, "James, I praise your understanding and your fear. If you continue to be distressed, do not be concerned for anything else except your redemption. For behold, I shall complete this destiny upon this earth as I have said from the heavens. And I shall reveal to you your redemption."
The Letter of Peter to Philip Then the apostles worshiped again saying, "Lord, tell us: In what way shall we fight against the archons, since the archons are above us?" Then a voice called out to them from the appearance saying, "Now you will fight against them in this way, for the archons are fighting against the inner man. And you are to fight against them in this way: Come together and teach in the world the salvation with a promise. And you, gird yourselves with the power of my Father, and let your prayer be known. And he, the Father, will help you as he has helped you by sending me. Be not afraid, I am with you forever, as I previously said to you when I was in the body." Then there came lightning and thunder from heaven, and what appeared to them in that place was taken up to heaven.
Peter answered saying, "He suffered on our behalf, and it is necessary for us too to suffer because of our smallness." Then a voice came to them saying, "I have told you many times: it is necessary for you to suffer. It is necessary that they bring you to synagogues and governors, so that you will suffer. But he who does not suffer and does not [...] the Father [...] in order that he may [...]."
And the apostles rejoiced greatly and came up to Jerusalem. And they came up to the temple and gave instruction in salvation in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And they healed a multitude.
And Peter opened his mouth, he said to his (fellow) disciples, "Did our Lord Jesus, when he was in the body, show us everything? For he came down. My brothers, listen to my voice." And he was filled with a holy spirit. He spoke thus: "Our illuminator, Jesus, came down and was crucified. And he bore a crown of thorns. And he put on a purple garment. And he was crucified on a tree and he was buried in a tomb. And he rose from the dead. My brothers, Jesus is a stranger to this suffering. But we are the ones who have suffered through the transgression of the mother. And because of this, he did everything like us. For the Lord Jesus, the Son of the immeasurable glory of the Father, he is the author of our life. My brothers, let us therefore not obey these lawless ones, and walk in [...]."
[...] Then Peter gathered together the others also, saying, "O, Lord Jesus Christ, author of our rest, give us a spirit of understanding in order that we also may perform wonders."
Then Peter and the other apostles saw him, and they were filled with a holy spirit, And each one performed healings. And they parted in order to preach the Lord Jesus. And they came together and greeted each other saying, "Amen."
Then Jesus appeared saying to them, "Peace to you all and everyone who believes in my name. And when you depart, joy be to you and grace and power. And be not afraid; behold, I am with you forever."
Then the apostles parted from each other into four words in order to preach. And they went by a power of Jesus, in peace.
If the writings of many apostles survive, why weren't they added to the sacred common texts we have copied all over the world today?
The Gospel of Thomas (39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."
The Apocalypse of Peter "For many will accept our teaching in the beginning. And they will turn from them again by the will of the Father of their error, because they have done what he wanted. And he will reveal them in his judgment, i.e., the servants of the Word. But those who became mingled with these shall become their prisoners, since they are without perception. And the guileless, good, pure one they push to the worker of death, and to the kingdom of those who praise Christ in a restoration. And they praise the men of the propagation of falsehood, those who will come after you. And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error, and into the hand of an evil, cunning man and a manifold dogma, and they will be ruled without law."
"For some of them will blaspheme the truth and proclaim evil teaching. And they will say evil things against each other. Some will be named: (those) who stand in (the) strength of the archons, of a man and a naked woman who is manifold and subject to much suffering.
"And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals."
a Gnostic view of salvation, you approve of? Who Am I - Casting Crowns Who am I, that the Lord of all the earth Would care to know my name Would care to feel my hurt
Who am I, that the Bright and Morning Star Would choose to light the way For my ever wandering heart
Not because of who I am But because of what You've done Not because of what I've done But because of who You are
I am a flower quickly fading Here today and gone tomorrow A wave tossed in the ocean (ocean) A vapor in the wind
Still You hear me when I'm calling Lord, You catch me when I'm falling And You've told me who I am... I am Yours, I am Yours
Who am I, that the eyes that see my sin Would look on me with love and watch me rise again Who am I, that the voice that calmed the sea Would call out through the rain And calm the storm in me
Not because of who I am But because of what You've done Not because of what I've done But because of who You are
I am a flower quickly fading Here today and gone tomorrow A wave tossed in the ocean (ocean) A vapor in the wind
Still You hear me when I'm calling Lord, You catch me when I'm falling And You've told me who I am (I am) I am Yours...
Whom shall I fear Whom shall I fear 'Cause I am Yours, I am Yours
Not because of who I am But because of what You've done Not because of what I've done But because of who You are
All of it 100% Gnostic
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2021 12:27:23 GMT -5
God is the God and creator of the whole worldGen 1:1-31 + Rev 12:1-12 = the whole world All men – the whole world - are born with an instinctive knowledge of the One True Creator The 1% God’s Chosen People Formally introduced to YHWY YHWY is the God of Israel YHWY is known by many names – Father, Creator Gave Israel the ahl – the official story
Israel knew the agl Beast as – shedim/Belzeebub Before Islam – Gnostics called the archon
Jesus Christs refers to Belzeebub Jesus speak to satanas (Chaldean origin) The agl speaks of the BEAST – the serpent race – satanas (Chaldean origin) devils
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is to the whole world The agl is all about the Beast - Chaldean satanas
Rome – the Christian Faith is usurped by Roman religion The Reality of the archon is replace by Catholic Fallen Angels
Roman Edit burnt and destroyed anything that didn’t support the Roman view
The Roman Index is born
The Roman Church assumes moral authority for the entire world – as in global domination of right and might
900AD – the Holy Roman Church declares war on Islam – Crusades
Today – the Contest continues – Islam vrs Israel YWNY and the 1% vrs the 99% and Allah and Jinn | The 99% the still the rest of the world Are left to ignorance of YHWY ‘other gods’ assume the place of deities Many ‘other gods’ many different names Many surviving stories of many gods
The 99% knew many other gods and demon spirits Islam calls them Jinn/Djinn
All of the ‘other gods’ of the 99% are the BEAST – the serpent race – satanas (Chaldean origin) devils
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is to the whole world The agl is all about the Beast - Chaldean satanas
Rome – attempts world domination in the guise of religion Everything about the Reality of the Archon is declared PAGAN MYTH
All Pagan Temples were raided – their priest often murdered
The First Christians were persecuted out of existence – all of their literature was destroyed
The truth about the Reality of the Archon is hidden
630AD Islam is born and the Reality of the Archon are absorbed in the (anti-Israel Religion)
Today – the Contest continues – Islam vrs Israel YWNY and the 1% vrs the 99% and Allah and Jinn |
All men – the whole world - are born with an instinctive knowledge of the One True Creator Gen 1:1-31 + Rev 12:1-12 = the whole world God is the God and creator of the whole world
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 15:11:58 GMT -5
Greetings Dave You didn't give me what I asked. For example when you supply Bible texts, supply your discussion as well. spiritualsprings.org/ss-938.htmAn example from Spiritual Seeds, a study of Eloah, meaning "father like or chief like deity" I have a hypothesis, method, picture, discussion and list of all textsI will list three texts using eloah(1) De 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat , and kicked : thou art waxen fat , thou art grown thick , thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God (elowahh) which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation . then he forsook Father-God which made him.. Notice the Father is our Creator as well as our "Tsuwr" Rock of salvation just as Jesus is our Creator and our "Cela" Rock of salvation ! There are two Creators mentioned in Scripture. (2) De 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils , not to God (elowahh) ; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up , whom your fathers feared not.They sacrificed unto devils , not to the Father-God ; to gods "elohiym's" - interesting the term Elohim be made plural...the term is already plural.. it's a plural plural. How can a term that's plural be made plural? Think of "Family" family is made of persons plural, so families is more than one family. Think of "Government" made of authorities, so Governments are whole systems of authorities. So the problem here is that the Israel people were not thinking of the heavenly Elohim as a family of gods with a Father god, but worshipping other systems of god (plural) at the same time....with different father gods. If Israel followed after a "trinity system" of gods with a Father chief god, it implies they had a "trinity system" of GOD as a Father chief God, but they chose to follow another system instead. Though some could argue that Israel dropped monotheism for polytheism. But why use the term "father or chief god" Eloah for a context to both monotheism and for polytheism ? The plural-plural of Elohim, suggests they dropped the true concept of a three persons of GOD in a Family, with a chief Father god, for an earthly false system of polytheism with a father god, that the heathen nations worshipped. (3) 2Ch 32:15 Now therefore let not Hezekiah deceive you, nor persuade you on this manner, neither yet believe him: for no god (elowahh) of any nation or kingdom was able to deliver his people out of mine hand , and out of the hand of my fathers : how much less shall your God deliver you out of mine hand ?for no Father of any nation Only the heavenly Father can truly save... For the other 47, the texts and listed and discussed. This allows the reader to read the text, BUT also read the Author's view of the text. YOU DAVE are listing the text but not discussing your view from those texts. This is why I require a video of your views of Gnosticism regarding these texts. YOU have not done this either. You can list the texts again, and write your discussion of those texts underneath, so I can read how your view is supported by those texts. Simply presenting texts does not support your view at all, because you have have not discussed anything. For example Then Peter replied, "Lo, three times you have told us, 'Become full'; but we are full.This is verbose. The scriptures teach salvation comes by faith in Jesus. Do you wish to discuss this text? Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.This text has amanuah in the text, "believeth". SO faith is how we become "full" of Jesus. Does the Nag Hammadi explain how "amanuah" works? The text I quote is verbose, does not explain faith, is my two pennies worth. I would love a video that explains your view in an overall way, including the archons, their creation and their tempting of humans, plus the way gnostics are saved by GOD who is expressed as the Saviour Jesus, (not the same as traditional trinity view is). It's quite a tall order I know, but surely your view is followed by others? SHalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2021 23:17:01 GMT -5
You didn't give me what I asked. For example when you supply Bible texts, supply your discussion as well. Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the Messiah is saved from the Second Death – Lake of Fire
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Anyone who truly seeks Christ will find Him
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
and shalt believe in thine heart (gnosis) not intellectual belief through intellectual reasoning (belief) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness – not the mind – not the brain – not intellect – believe inside – we gnosis
(2) De 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils , not to God (elowahh) ; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up , whom your fathers feared not. They sacrificed unto devils , not to the Father-God ; to gods "elohiym's" - interesting the term Elohim be made plural...the term is already plural.. it's a plural plural. How can a term that's plural be made plural? H7700 – שֵׁד - shêd – shade - From H7736; a daemon (as malignant): - devil. H7736 – שׁוּד - shûd - A primitive root; properly to swell up, that is, figuratively (by implication of insolence) to devastate: - waste.
King Solomon’s shedim More scripture that you must deny or overlook
If Israel followed after a "trinity system" of gods with a Father chief god, it implies they had a "trinity system" of GOD as a Father chief God, but they chose to follow another system instead. I have no idea of what you say The Jews have a duality – God the Father that never leaves his throne + the shekinah – the spirit of God (HS) that comes among the people Messianic Jews have a Trinity because Christ is God – God Christ and HS However – a Messianic Jew will still call it a duality – because God = Christ – they are one
YOU DAVE are listing the text but not discussing your view from those texts.
You can list the texts again, and write your discussion of those texts underneath, so I can read how your view is supported by those texts. Simply presenting texts does not support your view at all, because you have have not discussed anything.
For example Then Peter replied, "Lo, three times you have told us, 'Become full'; but we are full. Be full of the spirit – be Born Again – walk in the spirit
Do you wish to discuss this text?
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the Messaih is saved from the Second Death – Lake of Fire
This text has amanuah in the text, "believeth". SO faith is how we become "full" of Jesus. Faith = belief – you have already acknowledged that beliefs can change, wain, or be forgotten Faith in Allah is not salvation – Faith in Darwin is not Salivation – Faith in Buddha is not salvation
The Gnostic text I posted – I am not going to translate every line for you If you do not understand English – ask a specific question - or repost a specific sentence - ask your questions - and I always attempt to answer – unlike some people I know
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 13:51:42 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
D"and shalt believe in thine heart (gnosis) not intellectual belief through intellectual reasoning (belief)
R" How is gnosis like amanuah the Hebrew word behind "believe" ?
D"Anyone who truly seeks Christ will find Him
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe "amanuah" in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth "amanuah" unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
R" The verses you quote have "amanuah" in them, the idea of faith.
You seek and find Jesus ONLY when you do amanuah.
Got nothing to do with believe or knowledge, it's a process of doing faith.
D"The Gnostic text I posted – I am not going to translate every line for you If you do not understand English – ask a specific question - or repost a specific sentence - ask your questions - and I always attempt to answer – unlike some people I know
R" I am not asking you to translate every text, but to add your discussion to the text.
You did that against my discussion:
Rob posted this text as a study "(2) De 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils , not to God (elowahh) ; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up , whom your fathers feared not.
Rob's discussion of the text: They sacrificed unto devils , not to the Father-God ; to gods "elohiym's" - interesting the term Elohim be made plural...the term is already plural.. it's a plural plural. How can a term that's plural be made plural?
Dave's discussion of the text: H7700 – שֵׁד - shêd – shade - From H7736; a daemon (as malignant): - devil. H7736 – שׁוּד - shûd - A primitive root; properly to swell up, that is, figuratively (by implication of insolence) to devastate: - waste.
King Solomon’s shedim More scripture that you must deny or overlook
Rob counter replies to Dave's discussion:
Notice you add your own view to the text. You make a big deal out of shedim, the other elohiym powers Israel followed apart from elohiym power in heaven. The fact is Israel got off track following a different elohiym power, and my discussion point is the term "elohiym" is written in plural, when the term is already plural.
I am looking at the term what eloah means, and why is eloah written in the term elohiym.
Instead you are only concerned with the meaning of shedim. This is not a part of the study hypothesis and NOT considered. The study is about eloah; NOT shedim.
You fail to even understand the scientific method.
I am discussing why is eloah written also inside the term elohiym? And Israel followed after different elohiym powers? A term written in the plural.
Now you can add your discussions to the Gnostic texts so I can evaluate how your view is supported by those texts. This is a fair request.
You can see from my above discussion how easily you get off track under a proposed study. My study above is about eloah, not shedim, and all the texts about eloah.
Now I want you to discuss your view using Gnostic texts as you have done, so I can evaluate how your Gnostic view works supporting those texts. Why do I ask this? Because there are dozens of different Gnostic views out there, and I am only discussing the Dave version of Gnosticism. I care only for your view.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 23, 2021 4:16:35 GMT -5
D"and shalt believe in thine heart (gnosis) not intellectual belief through intellectual reasoning (belief) R" How is gnosis like amanuah the Hebrew word behind "believe" ?Why don’t you have to answer questions?Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life Does this idea really exist in Scripture? For me, no. If salvation is based on faith in Jesus, than stopping that faith supports, prevents Jesus from saving us. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE – you are talking about belief – belief is not faith it is a hope You are told – fire burns – do not get burnt – it is a belief we have – it is an instruction we were givenHowever – once you are burned – PERSONAL EXPERIENCE – you gnosis foreverPaul – was taken into heaven – met Christ face to face – and was returned to earth blinded by what he saw – tell how you believe Paul could ever disbelieve his own experience – not belief but fact (gnosis)All of the First Christians that felt the HS speaking through them at Pentecost – tell how you believe they could ever disbelieve their own experience– not belief but fact (gnosis)James, John, and Peter saw Christ transfigured – tell how you believe they could ever disbelieve their own experience – not belief but fact (gnosis)If salvation is based on faith in Jesus, than stopping that faith supports, prevents Jesus from saving us.Correct – if your beliefs wain – or you stop believing – you never gnosis – you only were a believerOnce you are burned by fire – PERSONAL EXPERIENCE – you gnosis forever – when would you forget the fact that fire burns? You and I are not speaking to the same religion – you have belief and religious ritual to get closer to God I have gnosis of the spirit – and rely on teaching from the spiritYou deny the spirit - you mock the spirit - and rely on the precepts of menBeliefs can change – you can stop believing – you can change your beliefs If you gnosis the fire burns - how could you stop this gnosis – will you ever change your gnosis about fire?1Jn 2:19 They left us, but they didn’t really belong to us. If they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But they left us so it became clear that none of them belongs to us. If they leave us – they were never part of usIf you stop believing (as you suggest) you were only a believer not a FACT BASED KNOWERAnswer my questions – how do you stop believing in facts?If you stop believing in something – it was never a fact for you I do not have a belief system, I do the action of amanuah so that I receive Jesus power flowing through me daily. This is not a religious ritural either.I do not have a belief system, - I do the action of amanuahDoing is a ritual – why would a Jew awake each morning and do things to be Jewish? So why would a Christian have to do things each day to be a Christian?Once you gnosis amanuah ( how faith works), you will steadily praise and grow in Jesus.Paul hate Jesus in the am - was taken into heaven and met Christ Paul knew (gnosis) right then and there – Paul became a Christian right thereWhy do you deny the gifts of the spirit?D"Anyone who truly seeks Christ will find Him R" The verses you quote have "amanuah" in them, the idea of faith. You seek and find Jesus ONLY when you do amanuah. Got nothing to do with believe or knowledge, it's a process of doing faith.Why do you deny scriptureIt is not about doing – it is about believing – that is all it takesWhy do you deny the redeeming power of the cross Why do you say Jesus and the cross is not enough – you must do things on top of thatAct 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. G4100 – πιστεύω - From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with. Entrust – commit – put trust in If you put your trust in something – how do you stop trusting it? Ever climb a ladder? Are you afraid to go back down – don’t you trust the ladder will hold you? If I tell you it is noon – is the sun up – do you have to check? If you know something as a fact – tell me how you stop believing it Rob posted this text as a study "(2) De 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils , not to God (elowahh) ; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up , whom your fathers feared not. Rob's discussion of the text: They sacrificed unto devils , not to the Father-God ; to gods "elohiym's" - interesting the term Elohim be made plural...the term is already plural.. it's a plural plural. How can a term that's plural be made plural? Dave's - King Solomon’s shedim - More scripture that you must deny or overlook Rob counter replies to Dave's discussion: my discussion point is the term "elohiym" is written in plural, when the term is already plural. I am looking at the term what eloah means, and why is eloah written in the term elohiym. I have no idea what you are saying – you don’t understand the difference between H430 and H433H433 - 'ĕlôahh - probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God, god. H410 – אֵל - 'êl – God (singular) 17 יִזְבְּח֗וּ לַהַשֵּׁדִים֙ לֹ֣א אֱלֹ֔הַ אֱלֹהִ֖ים לֹ֣א יְדָע֑וּם חֲדָשִׁים֙ מִקָּרֹ֣ב בָּ֔אוּ לֹ֥א שְׂעָר֖וּם אֲבֹתֵיכֶֽם׃ In the Messianic Text – it says De 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils , not to God (H421) ; to gods (elohiym) whom they knew not, H421 – אָלָה - 'âlâh - aw-law' They sacrificed unto devils ,(Shedim) not to the Father-God(God singular) ; to gods (plural)"elohiym's" - interesting the term Elohim be made plural...the term is already plural.Because the Beast appeared in a plurality – serpent race – archon – devils – satanas – other godsI am discussing why is eloah written also inside the term elohiym? And Israel followed after different elohiym powers? A term written in the plural.Because the Beast appeared in a plurality – serpent race – archon – devils – satanas – other godsJdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’” Now I want you to discuss your view using Gnostic texts as you have done, so I can evaluate how your Gnostic view works supporting those texts. Why do I ask this? Because there are dozens of different Gnostic views out there, and I am only discussing the Dave version of Gnosticism. I care only for your view.And Dave has said many times – many times – many time – I stick to the words of the agl authors Because there are dozens of different Gnostic views out thereWhy don't you stick to the words of the authors of the aglYou claim to be a Christian – so defend Mormonism to be – or defend Jehovah’s Witness to me There all Christian – should I pretend to be all confused when I write to you Your Miller was strongly influenced – or helped create the Bahia religion – you refuse to even discusses it Perhaps I should bring up every bazar Christian thing I can find and ask you to defends it Then Ill say – you failed to show me what Christianity is because it is all confusing I know who you are – Mr academic honesty guy –
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 14:23:43 GMT -5
D"It is not about doing – it is about believing – that is all it takes Why do you deny the redeeming power of the cross Why do you say Jesus and the cross is not enough – you must do things on top of that
Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
R" First the word "believe" here is a Greek idea related to faith, the Hebrew amanuah.
Amanuah is not a belief word, it is an action word, as most Hebrew words are.
The translation is misleading. Gnostic views are also misleading because you do not explain yourself clearly.
D"Why do you say Jesus and the cross is not enough – you must do things on top of that R" Yes love provided must experience, love responded to.
In other words if one loves you by doing something for you, you must respond to that love so the love is complete.
D"believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
Entrust – commit – put trust in If you put your trust in something – how do you stop trusting it? Ever climb a ladder? Are you afraid to go back down – don’t you trust the ladder will hold you?
R" Again faith or amanuah is more than trust or belief.
I have shown you my studies on this, but you never read them, properly?
D"I have no idea what you are saying – you don’t understand the difference between H430 and H433
R" Don't you know what a study is Dave? I am looking up what eloah means, not using a dictionary like you do, I evaluate what eloah means by reading how the word in used in all the 50+ contexts, not from some dictionary.
D"And Dave has said many times – many times – many time – I stick to the words of the agl authors
R" That is not how a personal view of the agl works Dave. We have shown already in our discussions that our individual views of Scripture differ, so I want you to discuss how these texts support your view.
I do this in my studies and my website, why can't you do the same?
When I try to evaluate Gnostic views from the www, you say those are spoiled or not quite right. OK
So now I ask for your discussions of the texts you choose, so I can evaluate what your view of Gnostic Christianity really is.
For example the texts said, "make yourself full, be full of the Spirit". OK
What does this mean to you? I know what it means to me, but I am asking your views on this text.
D"you failed to show me what Christianity is because it is all confusing
R" Christianity is not ever confusing, I dedicate over 90% of my website explaining how Christian powers from Jesus works, so I am clear in what I present.
Notice the links and messages on my home page
Simply Saved is a simple presentation of being saved, reading Scripture as it plainly reads, for beginners off the street, who may not know Scripture. (16 pages)
Seeking Salvation is a simple presentation of JESUS, that answers a difficult question, "Why Jesus died?". These pages view different religions such as JW.org and EGW writings.org and Vatican.va. (4 pages)
Starting Spiritually is a detailed but simple journey of salvation, reading Scripture as it plainly reads, for beginners starting in Jesus. Some of us deal with pride and doubt and other problems. (100+ pages)
Steps to my Saviour is a brief journey through a single Bible passage, of the Steps to Christ. There is in Scripture, is a process of salvation, in really Simple Steps everything thing a person does daily to be saved by Jesus. (10 pages)
Science of Salvation is a chapter by chapter study, comparing Ellen's Steps to Christ with Hosea's Steps to Christ. (14 pages)
These webpages show how easy getting faith from Jesus really is. It's not confusing at all, more child like and simple.
Love is an action word, love is not a belief we gnosis.
In the scroll of Jesus, the last chapter, Jesus has the prophet Hosea record these words explaining the simple process of salvation by Jesus
Hosea 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him.
That is all you have to do every day. The rest of Spiritual Springs explains the simple process throughout Scripture, as Scripture can be intentionally confusing.
Now all I am asking of you is to pen your views of Gnostic Christianity so I get an idea of how it actually works for you, from day to day.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 23, 2021 18:13:11 GMT -5
Amanuah is not a belief word, it is an action word, as most Hebrew words are. The translation is misleading. Gnostic views are also misleading because you do not explain yourself clearly.
Why don’t you have to answer questions? All of the First Christians that felt the HS speaking through them at Pentecost – tell how you believe they could ever disbelieve their own experience– not belief but fact (gnosis)
In other words if one loves you by doing something for you, you must respond to that love so the love is complete. Mat 22:37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Mat 22:40 The entire Torah and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
How did Jesus love us - He witnessed the Glory of God to the world (Jer 1:5) How are we to love others – witness the Glory of God to the world (Jer 1:5)
Why don’t you have to answer questions? All of the First Christians that felt the HS speaking through them at Pentecost – tell how you believe they could ever disbelieve their own experience– not belief but fact (gnosis)
R" Again faith or amanuah is more than trust or belief. I have shown you my studies on this, but you never read them, properly?
YES – Christianity teaches – “once saved – always saved” Yes – you preach Does this idea really exist in Scripture? For me, no. If salvation is based on faith in Jesus, than stopping that faith supports, prevents Jesus from saving us. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE – you are talking about belief – belief is not faith it is a hope You are told – fire burns – do not get burnt – it is a belief we have – it is an instruction we were given However – once you are burned – PERSONAL EXPERIENCE – you gnosis forever
Please explain to me how you can stop believing a fact? If you give up believing it – it was just a belief not a fact!
1Jn 2:19 They left us, but they didn’t really belong to us. If they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But they left us so it became clear that none of them belongs to us.
If they leave us – they were never part of us If you stop believing (as you suggest) you were only a believer not a FACT BASED KNOWER If you leave us (you were just a pretender) not a Spirit Filled Christian
Answer my questions – how do you stop believing in facts? If you stop believing in something – it was never a fact for you
R" Don't you know what a study is Dave? I am looking up what eloah means, not using a dictionary like you do, I evaluate what eloah means by reading how the word in used in all the 50+ contexts, not from some dictionary.
(google) Is the Hebrew word "Elohim" and the Arabic word "Allah" etymologically related? Yes it is. Both are derived from the Semitic “El” (the Aramaic version, which sometimes slips into Hebrew, is Elah/Eloh/Eloah). “Elohim” is the plural
Do Hebrew words have Arabic origins – YES Do Arabic words have Hebrew origin – YES Because they are both Semitic – from the same geographical location
el = God singular in Hebrew or Arabic eloah = el of specific Arabic origin elohiym = plural of el or eloah
This is how I think of it – ah = the breath Abram became filled with the spirit and became Abraham Sari became filled with the spirit and became Sarah el = God singular (Father) el + ah = God + Spirit(breath) el + ah + im = God + Spirit + (a Plurality) el + ah + im = God + Spirit + 3D plurality el + ah + im = God + Spirit + Christ
(google) The Arabic “Allah” is “al” (the) “ilah” (“the God” or “the El”). It is more or less the same word as Elohim but singular rather than plural.
So now I ask for your discussions of the texts you choose, so I can evaluate what your view of Gnostic Christianity really is.
100% Jewish Theology as understood by the audience of Jesus Christ – all the disciples and all of the First Christians + Jesus Christ is the Messiah + the promise of the HS to Christians and the gifts of the spirit + my Christian view are very mainstream Presbyterian – very Chuck Missler
Area of disagreement = the identity of the Beast Your Catholic satan and the doctrine of fallen angels Teaches that even angels can fall from God’s grace – anti-Jewish You even teach man can fall from God’s grace – anti-Christian The idea teaches God is less than absolute – your satan can oppose Him and does = war You even teach two kingdoms and two gods – all of it anti-Jewish and anti-Christian
Area of disagreement = the identity of the Beast – The authors of the agl – in the Nag Hammadi gave us additional information about this Beast of Revelation – he is the First Archon/ Chief Archon and his offspring = the serpent race, devils, and NT satanas
BOOM - SUDDENTLY ALL REALITY FALLS INTO PLACE The whole world knows the archon by many other names The whole world knows about gods, spirits, demons, fairies, ghost, goblins, or shades The whole world knows about space gods – alien gods – gods from underground All those ‘other gods’ of the ahl – reality falls into place Shadow governments with alien masters – reality falls into place
For example the texts said, "make yourself full, be full of the Spirit". OK What does this mean to you? I know what it means to me, but I am asking your views on this text. Didn’t you watch the testimonies of the Born Again posted by Dillon? When you are touched by the sprit – you never forget You mock the experience – and therefore do not what you are speaking about
D"you failed to show me what Christianity is because it is all confusing R" Christianity is not ever confusing, I dedicate over 90% of my website explaining how Christian powers from Jesus works, so I am clear in what I present. I could start posting Mormon text and declare they are your words – because they call themselves Christ I could start posting Jehovah Witness doctrine here ad claim it belong to you – it is also Christian
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 14:07:38 GMT -5
D" Your discussion How did Jesus love us - He witnessed the Glory of God to the world (Jer 1:5) How are we to love others – witness the Glory of God to the world (Jer 1:5)
R" Hmm? My discussion Joh 15:1 ¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. ----------------------------------- Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. --------------------------------- Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 ¶ As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. --------------------------------- Ps 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: Ps 89:1 ...I make known thy faithfulness to all generations. Ps 89:2 For I have said, Mercy shall be built up for ever: thy faithfulness shalt thou establish in the very heavens. Ps 89:24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: Ps 92:2 To shew forth thy lovingkindness in the morning, and thy faithfulness every night, Ps 119:75 ¶ I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me. Ps 119:90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: Ps 143:1 Hear my prayer, O LORD, give ear to my supplications: in thy faithfulness answer me, Isa 25:1 ¶ O LORD, thou art my God; I will exalt thee, I will praise thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things; thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth. La 3:23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness. ------------------------------------------ Why does GOD show such great faith to us humans? Why did Jesus show such faith to His Father? Why must we humans show great faith in Jesus? I suspect you do not understand the word "amanuah", its a important Hebrew word. -------------------------------------- D" Please explain to me how you can stop believing a fact?R" Show me a Hebrew word that means to "know" or "believe a fact" ? The translation of amanuah and its related family words are not "belief", so we have a problem in word games as you call them. Ec 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Maybe daath Ho 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: Maybe yada 1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Greek eido ? 1Co 8:1 ¶ Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. Greek gnosis ? How nice for you. Gnosis means to know something as a fact.However these words are not related to "man" the Hebrew family of words like "aman" and "amanuah". D: If you give up believing it – it was just a belief not a fact!R" Correct, once you gnosis, you do not forget. D" If you leave us (you were just a pretender) not a Spirit Filled ChristianR What about the wise and foolish virgins Dave, were they not spirit filled Christians, but their light and Spirit went out as all of us were sleeping? They had gnosis, but they lacked preparation and reserves of the Holy Spirit, they became found awakening in darkness, not in the light. 1Jo 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, 1Jo 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, Read your texts from their context. 1Jo 2:14 ,,, and ye have overcome the wicked one 1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, Mt 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Meaning they did not take extra reserves of the Holy Spirit. How do you get the oil of the Holy Spirit, not by gnosis, but by amanuah. D" el = God singular in Hebrew or Arabic eloah = el of specific Arabic origin elohiym = plural of el or eloah
This is how I think of it . R" This is NOT how I study Scripture. I assume GOD inspired the words in Ancient Hebrew too. AL "The one who has strong authority: ALH " Behold the FATHER who has strong authority" also refers to the chief father of pagan authorities ALHFM Behold the Father of Strong Authority who is secure and whose powers flow. You get this meaning from reading the letters in Ancient Hebrew and from the contexts the words are used as well. Two sources of inspiration.This is how I see sola Scripture. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1391.htmA picture by picture explanation of my view on these words. D' Area of disagreement = the identity of the Beast – R" We will have to agree to disagree Dave, though a nice and correct summary of our disagreement.I will stick to the prophet Ezekiel, the verses you ignore. D" Didn’t you watch the testimonies of the Born Again posted by Dillon? When you are touched by the sprit – you never forget You mock the experience – and therefore do not what you are speaking aboutR" Are you afraid to answer people if they ask you? I am not afraid to write about how to get power from Jesus. My website explains this only. Over 1000 pages dedicated to explaining faith and what this power really is, being filled by the Holy Spirit. D" I could start posting Mormon text and declare they are your words – because they call themselves Christ I could start posting Jehovah Witness doctrine here ad claim it belong to you – it is also ChristianR" Dave, the words in Spiritual Springs are our words, how God reveals His presence to me, not from SDA influence, not from Mormon influence and certainly not Jehovah Witness doctrine . Scripture says beware many shall deceive you and false shepherds abound. Even as possible to deceive the very elect. If you had a website explaining your views of Gnostic salvation, I would gratefully read them to discover the powers of Jesus, assuming your view is supporting Scripture. Here I am using the word " support" the meaning of " amanuah". God supports us only is we support God. This is not really the same idea as a witness of gnosis as you write, but witness is the fruit of faith, evidence that you have God in your life. I remember once a dry bush pretended to be of the mulberry family, but once it rained (HS) and the fruit (works of Jesus) came over the tree, suddenly visitors came in their cars to eat of that fruit. It was an amazing witness to watch this, in the dim of night, so the eaters eat in peace, unseen. Fruit production is a process of doing, or receiving God. Shalom my friend
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Post by Dave on Nov 24, 2021 15:49:40 GMT -5
D" Your discussion How did Jesus love us - He witnessed the Glory of God to the world (Jer 1:5) How are we to love others – witness the Glory of God to the world (Jer 1:5) R" Hmm? My discussion Why does GOD show such great faith to us humans? – because God loves us – even tho it is unrequited Why did Jesus show such faith to His Father? – because he is the Father Why must we humans show great faith in Jesus? – because He gave His mortal life to open the pathway to the Divine Pardon for sinners like us And how are we to – love back – witness the Glory of God to the world (Jer 1:5) To witness Christ and God to as many people as we can – even if it cost our life
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D"Please explain to me how you can stop believing a fact? How nice for you. Gnosis means to know something as a fact. However these words are not related to "man" the Hebrew family of words like "aman" and "amanuah". Way to not answer the question If God is as real to you as your nose - D"Please explain to me how you can stop believing a fact?
You teach that you need to practice religion every day to maintain your salvation D"Please explain to me how you can stop believing a fact?
D:If you give up believing it – it was just a belief not a fact! R" Correct, once you gnosis, you do not forget. You teach that you need to practice religion every day to maintain your salvation Why isn’t the cross enough for you? – Who taught you that Jesus Christ is not enough?
D"If you leave us (you were just a pretender) not a Spirit Filled Christian R What about the wise and foolish virgins Dave, were they not spirit filled Christians, but their light and Spirit went out as all of us were sleeping?
Traditionally, the parable of the talents has been seen as an exhortation to Jesus' disciples to use their God-given gifts in the service of God, and to take risks for the sake of the Kingdom of God. ... Failure to use one's gifts, the parable suggests, will result in negative judgment.
Mt 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Meaning they did not take extra reserves of the Holy Spirit.
Mat 25:8 Now the foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, since our lamps are going out.’ Correct – they were not FILLED – they didn’t try to be FILLED – they were complacent not to be FILLED Mat 25:9 But the wise ones replied, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Instead, go to those who sell, and buy some for yourselves.’ YES – it is up to each of us to ACT – to Jer 1:5 – it is our assignment I cannot fill you – (Simon Magnos) - only the supplier can I cannot share my filling with you – you must become filled on your own accord
Mat 25:10 “But while they were going off to buy, the bridegroom came. And those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast, and the door was shut. First fruits vrs believers
They had gnosis, but they lacked preparation and reserves of the Holy Spirit, they became found awakening in darkness, not in the light. Disagree - they may have had knowledge of the mind – however
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, - is a delusional pretender
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out,
How do you get the oil of the Holy Spirit, not by gnosis, but by amanuah. It is not about doing - it is about believing From beleiving doing occures naturally Forced doing - is just doing - is just ritual
D"el = God singular in Hebrew or Arabic eloah = el of specific Arabic origin R" This is NOT how I study Scripture. YES - you ignore origins of words and grammar
D'Area of disagreement = the identity of the Beast – R" We will have to agree to disagree Dave, though a nice and correct summary of our disagreement. I will stick to the prophet Ezekiel, the verses you ignore. Please prove to me that precept upon precept, line upon line – your doctrine is scriptural All you have are two words and Catholic Catechisms
D"Didn’t you watch the testimonies of the Born Again posted by Dillon? When you are touched by the sprit – you never forget You mock the experience – and therefore do not know what you are speaking about I am not afraid to write about how to get power from Jesus Please post your commentary of 2 Cor 12:1-9 Please post your commentary of Mark 1:8 Please post your commentary of Acts 2:17-18 Why do you mock scripture – why do you mock the spirit
You say man is nothing more that the HS empowered person Why did Jesus promise to send the Comforter – if it is already who you are?
D"I could start posting Mormon text and declare they are your words – because they call themselves Christian I could start posting Jehovah Witness doctrine here ad claim it belong to you – it is also Christian R" Dave, the words in Spiritual Springs are our words, how God reveals His presence to me The words of my wed site – which you are on – are my words Instead you have posted how many other videos with the word Gnostic or Archon in the title I have endured each one as best I could – I answered each one as best I could These are my words of my wed site – which you are on – are my words
If you had a website explaining your views of Gnostic salvation, YOUR RESPECT IS NOTED
I would gratefully read them to discover the powers of Jesus, assuming your view is supporting Scripture. Incremental Creation fully supports scripture as creation You say no – it is a combination of creation and evolution of Kinds
Non-Linear Time and the Logarithmic Day of Creation fully supports scripture as creation You say no – it must be denied because they are wrong about time
The Reality of the Archon = the Beast of Revelation, the serpent race, the devils, and satanas of the NT Suddenly – not only does King Solomon make sense – but also the rest of the 99% Suddenly Reality makes sense – no matter where or when you look You say no – all the world is a myth – science and all of the 99% is just fiction You say – Rome said two words rewrite all Jewish Theology – and you are a Only a Roman Christian
Fruit production is a process of doing, or receiving God. So selfish – how do you justify receiving as producing?
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Post by Dave on Nov 25, 2021 14:09:43 GMT -5
D"Please explain to me how you can stop believing a fact? How nice for you. Gnosis means to know something as a fact. However these words are not related to "man" the Hebrew family of words like "aman" and "amanuah". Way to not answer the question If God is as real to you as your nose - D"Please explain to me how you can stop believing a fact?
D:If you give up believing it – it was just a belief not a fact! R" Correct, once you gnosis, you do not forget.
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived,
H3045 – יָדַע - yâda‛ - A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially
Not belief – to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); I said – “Personal Experience” An intimate relationship – this I what Christians strive for – hope for – need
Not belief – not ritual – gnosis “Personal Experience” - to know (properly to ascertain by seeing)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 17:45:52 GMT -5
D"Why did Jesus show such faith to His Father? – because he is the Father
R" Can one being support himself? Is this possible? Can one being love himself? Is this possible?
I thought the word meaning of support is relational? One being supports another being.
Why one being could lean on a walking stick, but the walking stick is relational to you, acting as a second entity, and thus supporting you.
Much the same idea that leaning on your bones in your flesh, the bones support you back. Even the amoeba has protein structures within one cell to lean upon, hence support the cellular parts back.
So can energy without matter around, by supported by energy itself? No. The word meaning of support implies that a second entity is required. If Jesus was essentially the Father, than I see no support concept here at all. If the words spoken by Jesus are coming from the mouth of the Father, than there is no support demonstrated here.
I suppose Jesus could be matter in a biological form, and the biological matter speaks the words of the Father, to the Father who is elsewhere as spirit (without matter), is this a form of support? Now you raise the ideas of thinking beyond what is reasonable for a child to understand?
Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
If Salvation is not understood by children as a child, than we cannot understand Scripture at all. If the biological part of Jesus is an expression of the Father, than the Son is mere role playing, something early SDA people did not like.
D"You teach that you need to practice religion every day to maintain your salvation Why isn’t the cross enough for you? R" Before you mock, how much do you understand my view? Have you read anything from Spiritual Springs?
D"Correct – they were not FILLED – they didn’t try to be FILLED – they were complacent not to be FILLED Mat 25:9 But the wise ones replied, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Instead, go to those who sell, and buy some for yourselves.’ YES – it is up to each of us to ACT – to Jer 1:5 – it is our assignment I cannot fill you – (Simon Magnos) - only the supplier can I cannot share my filling with you – you must become filled on your own accord R" so isn't being filled by the Spirit, is something we do, and hence according to you a ritual?
D"Correct – they were not FILLED – they didn’t try to be FILLED – they were complacent not to be FILLED R" I thought you said GNosis is knowing you are already filled, so why do you now speak my view, being filled by the Spirit? How are you filled Dave?
D"For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, - is a delusional pretender R" But you mocked me, with doing a ritual?
I quote " R" I do not have a belief system, - I do the action of amanuah D" Doing is a ritual – why would a Jew awake each morning and do things to be Jewish? So why would a Christian have to do things each day to be a Christian?"
So Dave you need to clarify what you are talking about. A doer of the word is one doing amanuah.
D"It is not about doing - it is about believing From beleiving doing occures naturally Forced doing - is just doing - is just ritual R" OK what's the difference between forced doing and natural doing?
In SDA we say an apple tree bears apples because it is an apple tree, not to become an apple tree. So if you do faith using Jesus powers, than the fruits of that faith come from God, not from you doing pious doings using your powers of self.
D"YES - you ignore origins of words and grammar R" The Bible says to let Scripture sentences define the word, not use grammar and origins of the word. Is the sola scriptoria defines the word, not history or origin or precepts of men.
You have just proved me and your readers you do not read Scripture line by line as you say, but you allow precepts of men, origins of words and grammar to influence you.
D"Please prove to me that precept upon precept, line upon line – your doctrine is scriptural
R" If you look up all the sentences containing cherub in them you find one verse with chata next to the word cherub.
You ignore studying scripture in this way. Like Nehemiah Gordon you do not allow Scripture to interpret Scripture
So why does Elohim have a plural suffix if it is numerically singular with a singular verb and singular adjective? It turns out there is a special type of plural in Hebrew that has a plural suffix even though it is numerically singular with a singular verb and singular adjective. These nouns are called majestic plurals" Gordon, 2003 Here Gordon us saying what your saying watch the grammar rules. "It is worth noting that the word Elohim is not always a majestic plural. When referring to the pagan gods, the term Elohim is usually a numerical plural."(Gordon, 2003).
Gordon says what your saying, grammar dictates the meaning of some words in sentences.
"Here we see three pagan deities each of which is referred to as an Elohim. Obviously the book of Kings is not saying that any of these false deities is a "great God". On the contrary, the verse goes on to rebuke the Israelites for worshipping them. The meaning is that the Sidonians, Moabites, and Ammonites looked upon their deities as great Gods and in this instance Scripture employs the terms used by the pagans themselves to refer to their own deities. At the same time we must observe that Ashtoret, Kemosh, and Milkom are each referred to as Elohim even though there is nothing multiple about any one of them."
ANother example of Gordon whittling away the word meaning of elohiym
At the same time we must observe that Ashtoret, Kemosh, and Milkom are each referred to as Elohim even though there is nothing multiple about any one of them."
I thought Ashtoret was a elohiym power in a family of deities?
(1) Ge 20:13 And it came to pass, when ELOHIM (with plural verb) caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.
"So contrary to the expected rule of Elohim getting a singular verb, here Elohim gets a plural verb. Because of this plural verb, we could literally translate this phrase "gods caused me to wander". From this verse alone it indeed appears that Abraham worshipped multiple gods whom he believed had caused him to wander from his father's house. However, this hardly fits the overall picture."
Again Gordon is not following the line upon line rule, but whittles away texts he does not like.
D"All you have are two words R" No I have more than two words, my line upon line study method is completely different to how you read Scripture to begin with.
Please post your commentary of 2 Cor 12:1-9
Paul speaks of some who have visions. 2Co 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
Paul came in signs and wonders and deeds, is this not enough for you? Please post your commentary of Mark 1:8
There are two phases of the HS, the empowered phase and the non-empowered phase. Only after Jesus died for the penalty of sin-offering could the HS empower supporters with salvation truly. Until Jesus died, those saved were saved on the promise of His death. Please post your commentary of Acts 2:17-18 During the Sunday Law decree and maybe before this time, young people will be given visions of the soon return of Jesus to earth.
Why do you mock scripture – why do you mock the spirit R" I do not mock Scripture nor the HS? Why do you pose such a thing?
D" You say man is nothing more that the HS empowered person Why did Jesus promise to send the Comforter – if it is already who you are?
R"The HS is just a medium for allowing Jesus to empower us with His powers. The reason for the HS to empower Jesus is us, is because Jesus cannot empower us directly, as his powers are encapsulated by humanity over his divinity, hence the HS empowers the powers of Jesus into us directly, ie another comforter. The use of the term encapsulated is mine, not SDA. We have different ideas on this. Overall our SDA view is int he same direction, but many have differences of views. In some respect you ask difficult questions, some things are best left alone.
D"Not belief – to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); I said – “Personal Experience” An intimate relationship – this I what Christians strive for – hope for – need R" Yes correct. How do you achieve a relationship with a Divine Being Dave, if you do not do doings with Him every day? Shalom
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