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Post by Richard on Aug 8, 2021 6:26:39 GMT -5
At last an interesting topic All EXCELLENT at their own religion. All good people!Is it enough? This is the real question – is it good enough to be an excellent Mormon, or SDA, or whatever Answer – easy answer We are all judged by our – Deeds – our Works – and our Fruit – or we are Born AgainFirst fruits – Born AgainPaul was – Born Again – he hated Jesus and his followers in the morning – spent the afternoon in heaven face to face with Christ – because the biggest Apostle that afternoon! The great day of Pentecost was all about Jews – there were Jews at that Temple – that received the Holy Spirit that day! God looked down – Enoch and Elisha – were granted Divine Pardons. Joshua was granted a Divine Pardon - as are all who die in Christ - Salvation DeedsSelf-explanatory – even a pagan headhunter child holds the door for his grandma. Caring is tov it is a mitzvah Loving is a tov it is a mitzvah Looking up at the sky and realizing there must be a Creator is a mitzvah Mercy, charity, forgiveness are all mitzvah It all counts to the good – it is all mitzvahWorksThis forum for me – Robert’s efforts here – singing Christmas carols with a local church I give to people at the street corner – I pick up hitchhikers – just to get a witness in When I was (history) on the road – I would pick up a homeless and buy them dinner to have company at a restaurant. I have been up front once or twice – worked on many committees – spent a lot of money Took my tools to church to fix a toilet or roof Etc etc – some folk preach – some folk think working for the church is the Cristian thing to do Do Works all count to the good – it is all mitzvah? Answer – depends because - All of it = our witness to othersWe have friends in Raton NM – Jared and Arleen – his father was a Unitarian Preacher – sounds Christian, acts Christian – but is the first to tell you a virgin birth or a resurrection from the grave is impossible - I am not Ok with that – it diminishes GodMormons believe that Jesus and satan are twin brothers – I am not Ok with that – it empowers satan and diminishes God Jehovah Witness preach there is no heaven – this is it – God made the earth for man– I am not Ok with that – it empowers satan and diminishes GodCatholic – my wife was taught to pray to the Pope for the first 25 years of her life – I am not Ok with that – it empowers satan and diminishes GodRobert comes along – agrees that the Catholic Church is satanic His Walter Veith theology says the Catholic Church invented Islam Yet – Robert preaches that Catholic satanology as fact and has no idea (he says) who Allah is ISN’T THAT FACINATING!Do Works all count to the good – it is all mitzvah? Answer – depends because - All of it = our witness to others D" man is judged on the sum of his choices R" So man is judged by his choices? by works? Is that how you see salvation?Deeds, works, and fruit Hab 2:4 Behold...the just shall live by his faith.
Man is judged by how often he uses amanuah, Dave, is my understanding of Scripture.
This by the way is mentioned only ONCE in the OT Hebrew, so much for you wanting lots of Bible evidence for major themes. Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can such faith save him? Faith without works is dead because it comes from a heart that has not been regenerated by God. Empty professions of faith have no power to change lives. Those who pay lip service to faith but who do not possess the Spirit will hear Christ Himself say to them, “I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers” (Matthew 7:23).What is our assigned work, what is our Job, what is our mission, what is our purpose?Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.” Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can such faith save him? Dave equates Works with our witness to othersScripture teaches that God is absolute Robert teaches that God tried to make creation perfect but couldn’t Robert teaches that God tried to created loyal angels but couldn’t Robert teaches that an angel named satan corrupted all that God wanted to be perfect Robert teaches that this angel named satan is so powerful that he has become a god in a Great Controversy with God, against God. Robert teaches that man has no spirit, but his satan wants to win your spirit over to his side so he can keep you for his own spiritual kingdom. Robert teaches the two god system of pagan Zoroastrian (Yin-Yang)Some Christians preach no virgin birth or resurrection Some Christians preach the Pope Islam says, God has no son Islam says, Jesus was just a prophet, but was misunderstood Islam says, the prophet Mohammed came to correct the Gospel Hinduism doesn’t acknowledge YHWY at all Dave equates Works with our witness to others Dave equates Works with our job/commission of Jer 1:5Faith without works is dead because it comes from a heart that has not been regenerated by God. Empty professions of faith have no power to change lives. Those who pay lip service to faith but who do not possess the Spirit will hear Christ Himself say to them, “I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers” (Matthew 7:23).2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; 2Ti 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables. Jer 23:16 Thus saith Jehovah of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they teach you vanity; they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of Jehovah. Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Deeds I am Ok with this Self-explanatory – even a pagan headhunter child holds the door for his grandma. Caring is tov it is a mitzvah While being mean is notFirst fruits – Born Again also agreeLuk 23:43 Yeshua said to him, “Amen, I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” R" So man is judged by his choices? by works? Is that how you see salvation?Silly man, salvation is salvation from judgment
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 17:13:25 GMT -5
Richard, rather than bag people as you do, and you are a Pastor, so let's treat people are potential sheep. I do not condemn or mock you. I do not condemn or mock Dave either.
So you post an interesting theme. So what is faith Richard and what is the works of faith? How do you explain these themes, this is the most important subject to any human surely.
I would be most interested in your answers and how you see the Scriptures?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 8, 2021 22:40:45 GMT -5
Richard, rather than bag people as you do, and you are a Pastor,(google) Do Quaker churches have ministers? Quakers do not have official ministers or religious rituals. They opted not to use honorific titles such as “Your Lordship” and “My Lady.” Based on their interpretation of the Bible, Who amoung us is more qualified? - We are all called to teachI do not condemn or mock you. I do not condemn or mock Dave either.Robert teaches that God tried to make creation perfect but couldn’t Robert teaches that God tried to created loyal angels but couldn’t Robert teaches that an angel named satan corrupted all that God wanted to be perfect Robert teaches that this angel named satan is so powerful that he has become a god in a Great Controversy with God, against God. Robert teaches that man has no spirit, but his satan wants to win your spirit over to his side so he can keep you for his own spiritual kingdom. Robert teaches the two god system of pagan Zoroastrian (Yin-Yang) Why do you feel threatened?This is exactly the SDA doctrine you presentWhat is the works of faith?I know you want to talk about daily rituals, the right prayers to pray Jesus did not come to save Himself – he came to save othersJoh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 14:32:09 GMT -5
I would be most interested in your answers and how you see the Scriptures?
Richard has not replied yet.
I would be most interested in your answers and how you see the Scriptures?
Dave feels threatened and so mocks Robert again. With stuff he thinks I preach as doctrine?
D"I know you want to talk about daily rituals, the right prayers to pray
R" See? Dave feels threatened?
I didn't know prayers had rituals Dave?
Richard and Dave" Robert teaches that God tried to make creation perfect but couldn’t
Rob replies, for the record, GOD created a very good creation for Adam and Eve, it was perfect, finely tuned to accommodate the powers of TOV/RA that the other creature who sinned first , wanted RA to exist.
This other choice was symbolized in the second tree, and thus was not allowed to spoil this new creation unless Adam chose to sin. So GOD placed a test upon mankind, do not eat of this tree, to unleash the powers of RA and death. DO not listen to the ruler of darkness who is represented by this tree.
The other tree in the Garden was the tree of life, and eating the fruits of the HS on this tree, causes the spirit inside mankind to continue forever in relationship perfection of harmony.
Now both of you can debate if you can, is this not a perfectly created universe for Adam?
Or should GOD have removed the tree of RA/TOV, and the angels that sinned banished there, and placed Adam and Eve on a sinless earth, with a brand new perfect creation around it? But there was a war in heaven, and so GOD wanted to forever resolve the SIN problem. How can this be achieved? One needs law abiding citizens who have never heard of SIN before. Than these citizens can judge the sinning angels later in judgment. And thus resolve the SIN problem GOD faced.
Now I would be most interested in your answers about faith, and how you see faith in the Scriptures?
Richard has not replied yet. Dave is too busy getting off the theme.
How about we stick to the theme at hand "James 2:14 Faith and Works" ?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 9, 2021 23:45:32 GMT -5
Dave feels threatened and so mocks Robert again. With stuff he thinks I preach as doctrine? Robert teaches that God tried to make creation perfect but couldn’t Robert teaches that God tried to created loyal angels but couldn’t Robert teaches that an angel named satan corrupted all that God wanted to be perfect Robert teaches that this angel named satan is so powerful that he has become a god in a Great Controversy with God, against God. Robert teaches that man has no spirit, but his satan wants to win your spirit over to his side so he can keep you for his own spiritual kingdom. Robert teaches the two god system of pagan Zoroastrian (Yin-Yang) This is the theology you present on this forum You often post things then deny you said them So correct your theology for us Richard and Dave" Robert teaches that God tried to make creation perfect but couldn’t Rob replies, for the record, GOD created a very good creation for Adam and Eve, the other creature who sinned first , wanted RA to exist.Robert teaches that God tried to created loyal angels but couldn’t Robert teaches that an angel named satan corrupted all that God wanted to be perfect Robert teaches that this angel named satan is so powerful that he has become a god in a Great Controversy with God, against God. How about we stick to the theme at hand "James 2:14 Faith and Works" ?Go for it Robert teach us how we must wake up and become Christian every day Teach us to doubt our salvation – scare us into doing daily rituals so we don’t Fall from God’s Grace as your satan does
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 4:47:56 GMT -5
Go for it Robert teach us
Sorry Dave, not going to
I thought Richard was going to post something about his understanding of faith and works?
Otherwise this thread is closed.
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Post by Dave on Aug 10, 2021 11:27:13 GMT -5
Go for it Robert teach us - Sorry Dave, not going toAh – a true witness for the Lord – and the word of the Lord Attacks other people’s views – but refuse to teach their ownI thought Richard was going to post something about his understanding of faith and works?He started this thread – did you not read it?At last an interesting topic Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can such faith save him? Faith without works is dead because it comes from a heart that has not been regenerated by God. Empty professions of faith have no power to change lives. Those who pay lip service to faith but who do not possess the Spirit will hear Christ Himself say to them, “I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers” (Matthew 7:23).What is our assigned work, what is our Job, what is our mission, what is our purpose?Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.” Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can such faith save him? Dave equates Works with our witness to othersScripture teaches that God is absolute Robert teaches SDA two god ControversySome Christians preach no virgin birth or resurrection Some Christians preach the Pope Islam says, God has no son Islam says, Jesus was just a prophet, but was misunderstood Islam says, the prophet Mohammed came to correct the Gospel Hinduism doesn’t acknowledge YHWY at all (actually they embrace space gods) Dave equates Works with our witness to others Dave equates Works with our job/commission of Jer 1:5Faith without works is dead because it comes from a heart that has not been regenerated by God. Empty professions of faith have no power to change lives. Those who pay lip service to faith but who do not possess the Spirit will hear Christ Himself say to them, “I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers” (Matthew 7:23).2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; 2Ti 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables. Catholic Myth or any man-made church doctrineJer 23:16 Thus saith Jehovah of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they teach you vanity; they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of Jehovah. The authors of - Catholic Myth or any man-made church doctrineMat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. False teachers are judge worse than id they just kept their mouths shutDeeds I am Ok with this Self-explanatory – even a pagan headhunter child holds the door for his grandma. Caring is tov it is a mitzvah While being mean is notFirst fruits – Born Again also agreeLuk 23:43 Yeshua said to him, “Amen, I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” R" So man is judged by his choices? by works? Is that how you see salvation?Silly man, salvation is salvation from judgment Scripture tells us there is so much evidence – we should believe – without ever seeing your precious Roman only BibleRichard makes the point – believe what? A good Muslim suicide bomber has more faith than you. He has so much faith he is willing to go to paradise to receive reward from Allah right now! Richard also ask – many times – can you be a good Christian and a used car salesman at the same time Rich and I have often discussed – why do so many Christian come to church every Sunday for 30 years and cannot answer childhood Sunday school questions? Yet – sit and listen to the same invocation week after week Rich and I have often discussed – why can only a few Christian Pastors have an intelligent conversation with a Rabbi Christian missionaries go to the Middle East and witness peace and love – Feel Good Christianity – as you believe and preach Every Muslim asks – what aboutMat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Roman Christians are at a loss for an explanation How can Mat 10:34 and Luke 19:27 be a Loving God of Mercy X-Christians who have read the Bible ask – what aboutYour feel Good God commanding the complete genocide of 7 tribes of Canaanite Most folk ask If God cares – why is there so much pain in the world Either God is not there – is weak and ineffective – or doesn’t really careYet – believe in Fallen Angels and celebrate Halloween Ah - the true legacy of Roman ChristianityScripture calls us to know scripture so we can witness in truthYou say – as most Christians say – just check into a corner church and drink their Kool-Aid You say – faith means – to practice being an SDA everyday You teach that if you do not do these things every day – you will fall from God’s Grace and lose your salvation Scripture says the Jews are Gods chosen people are Gods chosen people Every morning when a Jew awakes – he is still a Jew Every morning when a member of God’s chosen people wake - they are still God’s chosen people You have faith that satan is an evil god and rules your thoughts When you wake up tomorrow – what will be different? If you just live as an animal – will satan walk away from you – will you fall from satan Why do you believe your satan is more dependable than your God?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 14:52:38 GMT -5
Dave correct me if I am wrong.
Your view is GOD is the creator of all things, both good and bad, and man is the only creature with free will to respond to the yester tov in him, and also disdain from the yester ra also in him.
The archons are just like other ra animals all designed to tempt and keep mankind trapped in their worldly ideas of yester ra.
You do not have anything powerful opposing GOD. Your idea of sin, is that man has to make a decision to choose yester tov over the flesh inclination to follow yester ra? Therefore there is no powerful originator of SIN.
This serpent archon creature was robotically programmed to deceive man into the world of the archons.
So I get the impression man was designed into a world like this on purpose. You make this suggestion that the only tree of choice in the Garden was the one forbidden tree, or Tov and Ra. No other power symbol tree existed, only the tree of the knowledge of tov and ra.
In the end the archons are cast into the lake of fire and thus their programming comes to an end? Is this fair? The archons had no free will, so why must they end?
If GOD is love, why is also a GOD of hate, the opposite trait? If man is the only creature with free will, and all the creation are robotics, where does this love function fit into the other creatures? You seem to limit the abilities of GOD with creating creatures...always a robotic function?
So nothing opposes God? not even disobedient humans with free will. So when man sinned, whatever that means, why can't God just forgive mankind? Why must there be a death process in this sin? What is death and where does death come from? Your answers must be GOD, because God is all you have for RA.
Like the professor in Einstein at school, if God created everything, than God creates evil. SO worshipping God is a fairy tale and worthless. What would you say to this professor Dave?
But Einstein says evil doesn't exist.
Your trinity view is darkness if a fundamental along with light and spirit.
But Einstein says dark does not exist.
Explain how you disagree with Einstein, who was a Jew by the way, and differs from your ideas.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 10, 2021 18:05:07 GMT -5
Your view is GOD is the creator of all things, both good and bad, The problem between us is this word ra You say is it bad and sin and evil and all type of things I just call it ENTROPY – the corruption – the decay – the Entropy of memory of God The WORLD is not ra – it is tov and ra in a delicate balance we call nature – the cycle of life
and man is the only creature with free will to respond to the yester tov in him, and also disdain from the yester ra also in him. YES – the definition of Free Will Animals are (yester ra) – are they evil - no – they just serve self (self-preservation) If a cow comes into your garden – does it feel guilty later? Is it convicted by its (yester tov)
Angels do what they do – serve and praise – it is their nature – you call it programming Archon – serve self – think of self – toy with man Just like two Greek god betting with one another – I can make my human do this And the other arch god says – oh ya – my human will resist – fight back
Just outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human And they have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons
The archons are just like other ra animals all designed to tempt and keep mankind trapped in their worldly ideas of yester ra. I do not think a cow care enough to involve man in his cow schemes But Yes – the archon trap man within schemes and plans of the WORLD Sometimes it is as a false god – non-God god – ‘other god’ Sometimes as a false Christian religion Sometimes as a false religion inside the Jewish Temple TAMMUZ
You do not have anything powerful opposing GOD. Who can oppose God – no one – what a ridicules doctrine It only makes God sound weak and the opposition strong
Your idea of sin, is that man has to make a decision to choose yester tov over the flesh inclination to follow yester ra? Therefore there is no powerful originator of SIN.
Sin = disobedience or transgressing a law / commandment Sin came into this world through Adam and Eve – Rom 5:12
This serpent archon creature was robotically programmed to deceive man into the world of the archons. FACT #1 – God test his people FACT #2 – God does not do it Himself FACT #3 – the CONTEST = Gen 3:15 = between man and WORLD and man and archon
So I get the impression man was designed into a world like this on purpose. You make this suggestion that the only tree of choice in the Garden was the one forbidden tree, or Tov and Ra. No other power symbol tree existed, only the tree of the knowledge of tov and ra.
Eve could have chosen from any tree – even the tree of Life – there was no commandment one way or the other. Adam and Eve could have lived forever as biological robot man – but they chose not to – they chose to invoke their own Free Will choice – they chose knowledge of tov and ra – not just evil ra
In the end the archons are cast into the lake of fire and thus their programming comes to an end? Is this fair? The archons had no free will, so why must they end? 1- Rev 20 is a great argument that the Beast of Rev 12 = physical creation This WORLD will pass away – the Beast will be cast into the Lake of Fire 2- The devil = the general of the Beast – his commander POINT – you brought a reference that suggest the devil = Azazal – the leader of the bane elohiym POINT - the bane elohiym and Nephilim are sinning ‘angels’ (archon) of Gen 6 and Jude and 2 Peter POINT – the Beast – the devil are cast into the Lake of Fire + false prophets 3 – We are not told who these false prophets are – evil spirits / demons / priest and preachers We are just not told
Are all the archon cast into the Lake of Fire – can’t say yes – can’t say no Are cows thrown into the Lake of Fire – if the Beast = physical creation – then sure
If GOD is love, why is also a GOD of hate, the opposite trait? If man is the only creature with free will, and all the creation are robotics, where does this love function fit into the other creatures? Now I do not understand you – God loves man so much that he has given man the choice to love God back by his own choice – or love the WORLD instead God loves man so much that he has given man Free Will
So nothing opposes God? not even disobedient humans with free will. If I choose to jump into the Lake of Fire – I only hurt myself – not God If I choose to commit suicide – I only hurt myself – not God
So when man sinned, whatever that means, why can't God just forgive mankind? He dose / he did – then Adam and Eve would have been saved and scripture would be over But God’s Plan – God’s Will on earth = a period of Contest lasting 5500 years
1st Book of Adam and Eve 3:1 GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled." 3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them. 4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world. 5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him. 6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
7 But God had before that made this covenant with our father, Adam, in the same terms, ere he came out of the garden, when he was by the tree whereof Eve took the fruit and gave it him to eat. 8 Inasmuch as when our father Adam came out of the garden, he passed by that tree, and saw how God had then changed the appearance of it into another form, and how it withered.
9 And as Adam went to it he feared, trembled and fell down; but God in His mercy lifted him up, and then made this covenant with him.
Or whatever length of time – Gen 3:15 is a curse and a promise
Why must there be a death process in this sin? What is death and where does death come from? Your answers must be GOD, because God is all you have for RA. RA = entropy – where does ra(entropy) come from – isa 45:7 = God Why do men suffer entropy of biology as all animals do – Answer = Rom 5:12
Why 2 deaths – and why doesn’t man just fall over dead If Adam and Eve would have fallen over dead – there would be no lineage of Adam There has to be TIME for God’s Plan / God’s Will to unfold
Slavic Enoch – Secrets of Enoch – 2nd Book of Enoch 65:1 AND Enoch answered all his people saying: 'Hear, my children, before that all creatures were created, the Lord created the visible and invisible things.
2 And as much time as there was and went past, understand that after that he created man in the likeness of his own form, and put into him eyes to see, and ears to hear, and heart to reflect, and intellect wherewith to deliberate.
3 And the Lord saw all man's works, and created all his creatures, and divided time, from time he fixed the years, and from the years he appointed the months, and from the months he appointed the days, and of days he appointed seven.
4 And in those he appointed the hours, measured them out exactly, that man might reflect on time and count years, months, and hours, their alternation, beginning, and end, and that he might count his own life, from the beginning until death, and reflect on his sin and write his work bad and good; because no work is hidden before the Lord, that every man might know his works and never transgress all his commandments, and keep my handwriting from generation to generation.
5 When all creation visible and invisible, as the Lord created it, shall end, then every man goes to the great judgement, and then all time shall perish, and the years, and thenceforward there will be neither months nor days nor hours, they will be stuck together and will not be counted.
6 There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the Lord's great judgement, shall be collected in the great aeon, for the righteous the great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness, nor humiliation, nor anxiety, nor need, nor violence, nor night, nor darkness, but. great light.
7 And they shall have a great indestructible wall, and a paradise bright and incorruptible, for all corruptible things shall pass away, and there will be eternal life.
Like the professor in Einstein at school, if God created everything, than God creates evil. Yep – Isaiah 45:7 But Einstein says evil doesn't exist. Then I would defer to scripture and Isaiah 45:7
Your trinity view is darkness if a fundamental along with light and spirit. Quote me – I am trying my best to be completely open and honest with you Please return the favor
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 4:44:41 GMT -5
D"The problem between us is this word ra R" Yes Dave. What is ra? You say ra is merely entropy.
Notice what the Scriptures says ra is?
Ge 19:19 ..., lest some evil take me, and I die:
ra is associated with death
Ge 31:24 Take heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad.
ra is associated with dysfunctional speaking. Lying is therefore RA
Ge 37:33 an evil beast hath devoured him;
ra is associated with sinning's first curse. When Adam sinned, ra animals came into being.
Ge 39:9 : how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
ra is associated with sin
Ge 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil,
ra is associated with salvation, we are saved from RA
Ex 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil;
ra is associated with lying, a judgement about lying
Ex 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
The Lord stopped creating ra, due to Israel sinning against GOD
De 9:18 ..in doing wickedly in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
You say sin does not hurt God, but it does. Many verses suggest sin causes GOD to do RA because of sin, (assuming this idea is true??) I do not see sin as human fault only, it suggests GOD hurts when we sin.
These verses do not suggest ra is only entropy, or some natural fundamental thing. Ra means dysfunction according to Jeff Benner, not necessarily morally bad, but the opposite of tov or functional. I see spiritually that RA is a fruit of sinning. There are ra beasts and ra diseases, these are from the curse of GOD when Adam sinned.
D"Quote me – I am trying my best to be completely open and honest with you R" Oh sorry. The read the rest of your post, nicely presented, no comments. I will leave this post with one thought, what does the Bible say RA is? Not just entropy, but always associated with sinning. Animals have ra from the curse, because of Adam's sin. Human ra comes from humans sinning. God's ra come from humans who sin.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2021 8:39:02 GMT -5
D"The problem between us is this word ra R" Yes Dave. What is ra? You say ra is merely entropy.
Notice what the Scriptures says ra is? Ge 19:19 ..., lest some evil take me, and I die: ra is associated with death Death is not an entropy?
Robert you have made it very clear you believe in EVIL and sin. Everything is evil and sin according to you. You are sick with evil. You even have a god for evil. Evil overwhelms your perspective on everything.
I dropped my pencil – my daughter and both bent over to pick it up and we smacked heads – ouch Which one of us is a satan worshiper doing evil?
Today, as I stepped out of my house I stepped on two ants. Please explain to me why your satan made me do that?
Once when my daughter was 8, I turned around to greet her and caught her eye with my elbow. Did satan make me give her that black eye – was I evil – was satan controlling my thoughts and actions?
You are a vegan in Australia – you must be so jealous of all the countries all around you filled / overflowing with fruit and vegetables. But they all live on ra volcanos that provide the richest land Is their land evil – is their fruit evil – are they evil for eating it
Is the sun evil – solar minimums = ice ages Is the earth evil for orbiting the sun in such a way that winter comes to kill the crops
You are a vegan – you rip vegetables out of the ground = ra = you evil bastard You chop down corn – burn it with fire – and turn it into shit – why do you choose to do so much ra
Do you drive a car – use electricity – contribute to the pollution and demise of the plant and the human race – you sick evil man
And you believe satan is responsible for all of it and you – ----------
Notice what the Scriptures says ra is? Ge 19:19 ..., lest some evil take me, and I die: If I fall off a ladder and die – did satan push me? What if I am struck by lightning? Did satan do it. If I fall asleep while driving and die- is sleep ra? Is sleep a product of your satan as well?
Ge 31:24 Take heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad. ra is associated with dysfunctional speaking. Lying is therefore RA Sometimes the truth hurts just as much Robert – is truth also a ra
De 9:18 ..in doing wickedly in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. You say sin does not hurt God, but it does. I thought your god is Feel Good Tov and love only – isn’t being angry doing ra? Doesn’t this make your god a sinner?
Many verses suggest sin causes GOD to do RA because So even your god sins and is a ra doer – but you claim not to diminish God or elevate satan So – does your god worship your evil god – or does your evil god just control god thoughts as you claim he controls man
There are ra beasts and ra diseases, these are from the curse of GOD when Adam sinned. So even your god sins and is a ra doer – but you claim not to diminish God Your Feel Good tov and love only god curses man – so consistent Robert
Robert you have made it very clear you believe in Evil and its god. You have a two god theology - a god of tov that does ra - and the god of ra
In fact you say your god of ra forces your god of tov and love to do the ra in response
Just who is the god in charge of your reality - God or satan?
Jews, Messianic Jews, Gnostic Christians, and most Christians worship a different and trust in a different God – a One True God system where God is absolute!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 21:47:04 GMT -5
D" In fact you say your god of ra forces your god of tov and love to do the ra in response
R" Nicely put Dave, but you say you follow a one true God system where God is absolute, is also false of you, and entirely inconsistent within the realms of Gnosticism.
Why I have even read from Gnosticism a god of ra, a god of the light, a god for this and that. So stop trying to make all the ra fit into some great uncaused cause.
You make a great deal of ra actions, obviously these are not transgressions of the moral law, but they are examples of missing, yes sin, bumping ignorantly into something or somebody is missing God's power, but it's no transgression, its a accidental ra, a sin-offering NOT unto death.
Where did all these dysfunctional aspects of our lives come from?
Obviously when God cursed things when Adam first sinned. Does this make sense to you?
Explain to me your origin of ra than, and don't say God creates Ra (Is 45:7), I ask you, where does Ra come from and why is RA created by God? The answer has to be from some being who wishes to SIN.
Obviously bumping somebody is not directly caused by the first being who sinned, but the RA is a flow of the missing of GOD throughout His creation. God doesn't cause it either, but sin has consequences that become natural Ra if you will, if this makes it easier to see things this way. Sometimes the consequences are eternal or long lasting.
That is why ra is a different Hebrew word to chata, yet both are descriptors of sinning.
Hope this helps.
Shalom Happy Sabbath
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Post by Dave on Aug 13, 2021 23:05:07 GMT -5
D" In fact you say your god of ra forces your god of tov and love to do the ra in response R" Nicely put Dave, So you admit it – your god of ra is in charge It all depends on to whom we give the praise
Why I have even read from Gnosticism a god of ra, a god of the light, a god for this and that. So stop trying to make all the ra fit into some great uncaused cause.
1- you have been deliberately bringing non-Nag Hammadi gnostic writing into the discussion as if it was something I supported – just so you can argue against it
2- This is not the act of an honest man in an intellectual study It is the act of desperation in an attempt to attack and tear down
You make a great deal of the reality of the Archon Because – Eph 6:12 – they are our real struggle You have done your best to deny it and them
Explain to me your origin of ra than, and don't say God creates Ra (Is 45:7), I ask you, where does Ra come from and why is RA created by God? The answer has to be from some being who wishes to SIN. I see – you ask for my answer – but my answer must conform to your doctrine
Answer – entropy is inherent to creation – a by-product of creation God made everything – it came with entropy – indirectly – thus from the left hand
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 4:43:56 GMT -5
D" It is the act of desperation in an attempt to attack and tear down
R" Oh sorry Dave.
Is it not easier to follow Scripture, what we have since AD 55, decided by the disciples? not by the Roman edit? Nothing we corrupted than, the disciples and the Essenes copied these 65 books.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2021 5:18:00 GMT -5
I asked for documentation - I asked for proof
You just gave me attitude - where is your documerntation? Such news about the Dead Sea Scrolls must be published somewhere If this is true all of Christendom must be made aware
I asked for documentation - I asked for proof Is there some programming within you that provents you from answering a direct question? Or are you willing to admit that you are not an honest student
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