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Post by Larry on Aug 2, 2014 8:52:03 GMT -5
I hope it is Ok that I start a new thread
Virginia mentioned ghost. It is on my mind as well
I spoke to my pastor about things I have seen, but there doesn't seem to be any room within Christianity to discuss ghost? My pastor thinks they are impossible. It is just trick of light and shadows. This is exactly the same cover up as all UFOs are swamp gas or weather balloons.
Both of my parents believed they had seen ghosts. My wife believes she saw a ghost. I am not sure what I saw, but I saw something and the biggest thing that made the experience real for me is the uncontrollable way I felt.
Just where do ghost fit into your Gnostic cosmology?
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2014 13:53:53 GMT -5
GhostAs with all things – the meaning of words must be clear What is a Ghost?From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost“In traditional belief and fiction, a ghost (sometimes known as a spectre (British English) or specter (American English), phantom, apparition or spook) is the soul or spirit of a dead person or animal that can appear, in visible form or other manifestation, to the living.” What is a ghost?From: www.relevantmagazine.com/god/worldview/what-does-bible-say-about-ghosts#WTSzG3b0FXI9UySh.99“There are nearly as many theories as to what a ghost is as there are investigators. Most popular in American culture is the theory ghosts are the spirits of humans who have died, but not yet ‘crossed over’ to heaven or hell.” On the other hand, most Christians believe that, as Ron Rhodes writes, “When people encounter a genuine spirit, it is not a dead human, but rather a demonic spirit intent on deceiving living humans.” What Does the Bible Say About Ghosts?From: www.relevantmagazine.com/god/worldview/what-does-bible-say-about-ghosts#WTSzG3b0FXI9UySh.99“The Bible is very clear on two points, on which nearly all denominations agree. First, any spirit that is not God is not to be trifled with. The Bible repeatedly and firmly condemns seeking out the dead. Second, and crucially, diabolical spirits can and do take on kindly appearances. This can mean looking like angelic beings or, perhaps, deceased loved ones. All spirits are to be tested against what we know from Scripture.” What does the Bible say about ghosts / hauntings?From: www.gotquestions.org/ghosts-hauntings.html“Answer: Is there such a thing as ghosts? The answer to this question depends on what precisely is meant by the term “ghosts.” If the term means “spirit beings,” the answer is a qualified “yes.” If the term means “spirits of people who have died,” the answer is “no.” The Bible makes it abundantly clear that there are spirit beings, both good and evil. But the Bible negates the idea that the spirits of deceased human beings can remain on earth and “haunt” the living.” PersonallyI am amused and not surprised that your pastor evaded the conversation. Most pastors evade all my questions. This is one of the biggest failures of modern western tradition Christendom. Religious leaders today cannot hold a conversation with an 8th grade school teacher, let alone someone who may have seen a ghost or even a UFO for that matter. The article from Relevant Magazine also includes their admonishment of religious leaders. “’The Church shouldn’t be afraid of these questions, he says. Too many people are afraid of being mocked or dismissed for bringing up the topic within church. Christians need to carefully and lovingly listen to people's experiences. If you believe in God and you believe in Christ, there’s nothing that can harm you in terms of a ... demonic spirit because you always have the greater spirit, the Holy Spirit. You have the most powerful spirit out there,’ he says.” Do I believe in ghost? Not as defined as “the spirits of humans who have died, but not yet ‘crossed over’ to heaven or hell.” – NO Do I believe in “a spectre (British English) or specter (American English), phantom, apparition or spook)” – YES! But in agreement with the bulk of Christian thought, I am a firm believer in spirits and the spirit world and its agitation of our physical reality.
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2014 15:46:17 GMT -5
Shadow PeopleBy Stephen Wagner From: paranormal.about.com/od/trueghoststories/a/shadow-people.htmThere's a growing interest in the phenomenon of shadow people. What are they? Ghosts? Interdimensional beings? Time travelers? Something else? "WHAT WAS THAT?" You were sitting comfortably on your sofareading the latest issue of FATE in the dim light when movement across the room caught your attention. It seemed dark and shadowy, but there was nothing there. You returned to your reading - and a moment later there it was again. You looked up quickly this time and saw the fleeting but distinctly human shape of the shadow pass quickly over the far wall... and disappear. What was that? Some natural shadow? Your heightened imagination? A ghost? Or was it something that seems to be a spreading phenomenon - apparitions that are coming to be known as "shadow people" or "shadow beings." Perhaps this is an old phenomenon with a new name that is now being discussed more openly, in part thanks to the Internet. Or maybe it's a phenomenon that, for some reason, is manifesting with greater frequency and intensity now. Those who are experiencing and studying the shadow people phenomenon say that these entities almost always used to be seen out of the corner of the eye and very briefly. But more and more, people are beginning to see them straight on and for longer periods of time. Some experiencers testify that they have even seen eyes, usually red, on these shadow beings. The mysterious sightings have become a hot topic of conversion in paranormal chat rooms, message boards and websites, and it is given widespread attention on paranormal talk radio. What are shadow people and where do they come from? Several theories have been offered.
THE IMAGINATIONThe explanation we get from skeptics and mainstream science - and who are usually people who have never experienced the shadow people phenomenon - is that it is nothing more than the active human imagination. It's our minds playing tricks on us... our eyes seeing things in a fraction of a second that aren't really there - illusions... real shadows caused by passing auto headlights, or some similar explanation. And without a doubt, these explanations probably can account for some if not many experiences. The human eye and mind are easily fooled. But can they account for all cases? GHOSTSTo call these entities ghosts demands first a definition of what we mean by ghosts. (See the article: Ghosts: What Are They?) But by almost any definition, shadow people are somewhat different than ghost phenomena. Whereas ghost apparitions are almost always a misty white, vaporish or have a decidedly human form and appearance (very often with discernable "clothing"), shadow beings are much darker and more shadow-like. In general, although the shadow people often do have a human outline or shape, because they are dark, the details of their appearance is lacking. This is in contrast to many ghost sightings in which the witness can describe the ghost's facial features, style of clothing and other details. The one detail most often noted in some shadow being sightings are their glowing red eyes. DEMONS OR OTHER SPIRIT ENTITIESThe dark countenance and malevolent feelings that are often reported in association with these creatures has led some researchers to speculate that they may be demonic in nature. If they are demons, we have to wonder what their purpose or intent is in letting themselves be seen in this manner. Is it merely to frighten?
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2014 16:04:58 GMT -5
What are the Shadow People? Published on May 10, 2014
Are these shadowy figures ghosts? Inter-dimensional beings? Time travelers? Something darker and more evil? Whatever they are, they seem to be sighted with increasing frequency all around the world.
I did not see all the shadow people that this video identifies.
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2014 16:21:04 GMT -5
Over and over the religious answer to Ghost and Shadow People is that: 1 - they are just imaginary 2- they are actually evil spirits passing themselves off as the dead The statement of a satanist - Roger MorneauFrom: Read more: ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/119/roger-morneau#ixzz39G166snZ"So the next Saturday evening I went with Roland to the place where he attended the séances for the very first time. It was truly a first class setting. The medium was a lady who owned a gorgeous new home in Montreal, and I’d say that there were about twenty invited guests there. She communicated with the spirits on behalf of different people who were there and in turn conveyed to them what the spirits said. During the séance one man made the request, “I’d like to talk to my friend that died six months ago. But I don’t want him to appear, I just want to speak to him, because”, he said, “I don’t trust your talking to my friend for me.” So the medium said, “Let me inquire of the spirits; Yes, the spirit will talk with you.” And immediately a deep masculine voice was heard in the place, saying, “Hi, Frank, it’s nice of you to ask for me to talk with you.” and they had a little chat and after it was over, Frank said, “This is the greatest thing on earth, to be able to talk with the spirits of the dead!” I also recall there was one lady present named Mary who had been talking and talking almost continually before the séance started, and she didn’t believe in the dead appearing. She said, “Well, I would have to see my dead sister to believe it.” The medium commented, “We have a very special surprise tonight for you people, a spirit will manifest itself openly here in a few minutes.” And it was then like a big gust of wind hit the building and came right through the wall, the lights weren’t terribly bright, (you know they were like living room lights) and a translucent being seemed to come right out of the wall. It’s almost like my heart stopped beating for a little bit, and I experienced a very weird feeling! It appeared as a lady in a beautiful evening gown, floor length and she said to Mary, “My dear sister, you are so wonderful to have asked for me.” And Mary fainted and fell right off her chair on the floor. A couple guys jumped up and picked her up and the spirit was gone. That was the beginning of it. You now something that is interesting about the human mind, is that you can adjust to almost anything! Things that would terrify you to begin with, after a while become common and ordinary. This in turn set the stage for me becoming involved with a very secret and elite society that actually worshipped the spirits. … At this point we begin talking about spirit worship, and he said, “the ‘supposed spirits of the dead’ that you think you are talking with are actually demon spirits, they’re fallen angels who impersonate the dead, they’re beautiful beings” … He told us, “We worship spirits, we worship Lucifer and all his angels, and they’re just a beautiful as before they were cast out of heaven. There was a misunderstanding in the whole thing in heaven, in the galaxies, our master was misunderstood and God did not bear with him like He does with people who make mistakes today. So we’re in the warfare, good against evil and we happen to be the evil ones. But we’re not that bad.” He said, “I look at this business between the forces of good and evil, one person believes in God another believes in Lucifer, it’s like politics.” … The high priest affirmed that deception is like politics, you believe in one candidate, the other person believes in the other candidate, and they’re fighting to get the position, it’s just a matter of being the smarter of the two to win. With Lucifer the fallen cherubim, well he’s very smart, he’s going to win. In fact they talk about many things with regard to who’s going to win in this great conflict." Evil spirits posing as ghosts of dead people - beautiful - knowledgeable - but a lie.
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2014 16:49:02 GMT -5
Islam and the Jinn or DjinnA glimpse of how the practice of fortune-telling differs from Islam.By Dr. Bilal Philips.Published on 13 Dec 2010 www.islamreligion.comThe Six Pillars of Faith and Other Islamic Beliefs There are among mankind, people who claim knowledge of the unseen and the future. They are known by various names, among them: fortune-teller, soothsayer, foreseer, augur, magician, prognosticator, oracle, astrologer, palmist, etc. Fortune-tellers use various methods and mediums from which they claim to extract their information, among them: reading tea-leaves, drawing lines, writing numbers, palm-reading, casting horoscopes, crystal ball gazing, rattling bones, throwing sticks, etc. Practitioners of occult arts, which claim to reveal the unseen and predict the future, can be divided into two main categories: 1. Those who have no real knowledge or secrets but depend on telling their customers about general incidences which happen to most people. They often go through a series of meaningless rituals, then make calculatedly general guesses. Some of their guesses, due to their generality, usually come true. Most people tend to remember the few predictions that come true and quickly forget the many which do not. This tendency is a result of the fact that after some time all the predictions tend to become half-forgotten thoughts in the subconscious until something happens to trigger their recall. For example, it has become a common practice in North America to publish, at the beginning of each year the various predictions of famous fortune-tellers. When a survey was taken of the various predictions for the year 1980, it was found that the most accurate fortune-teller among them was only 24% accurate in her predictions! 2. The second group are those who have made contact with the Jinn. This group is of most importance because it usually involves the grave sin of Shirk[1], and those involved often tend to be highly accurate in their information and thus present a real Fitnah (temptations) for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike. World of the JinnSome people have attempted to deny the reality of the Jinn about whom the Quran has devoted a whole chapter, Soorah al-Jinn (Chapter 72). By relying on the literal meaning of the word Jinn which comes from the verb Janna, Yajunnu: “to cover, hide or conceal”, they claim that the word Jinn really refers to “clever foreigners”. Others have even stated that a Jinn is a human who does not have a true mind in his head but he has a fiery nature. But, the reality is that the Jinn represent another creation of God, which co-exists with man on the earth. God created the Jinn before He created mankind, and He also used a different set of elements than those used for man. God said: “And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud. And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.” (Quran 15:26)They were named Jinn because they are hidden from the eyes of mankind. Iblees (Satan) was in the company of the Angels who were commanded by God to prostrate to Adam. When he refused to prostrate and was asked why, he said: “He said, ‘I am better than he is. You (God) created me from fire and You created him from clay!” (Quran 38:76)Aisha reported that the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, said, “The angels were created from light and the Jinn from smokeless fire.” (Saheeh Muslim)Allah also said, “And when We told the angels to prostrate to Adam, they all prostrated except Iblees. He was of the Jinn.” (Quran 18:50)Therefore it is incorrect to consider him a fallen angel or the like. The Jinn may first be divided into three broad categories in relation to their modes of existence. The Prophet said: “There are three types of Jinn: One type which flies in the air all the time, another type which exists as snakes and dogs, and an earthbound type which resides in one place or wanders about.” (At-Tabaree and al-Haakim)Every human has an individual Jinn accompanying him referred to as a Qareen (i.e. companion). This is a part of man’s test in this life. The Jinn encourage his lower desires and constantly try to divert him from righteousness. The Prophet referred to this relationship as follows, … “Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn.” The Sahaabah asked, “Even you, O Messenger of God?” And the Prophet replied, “Even me, except that God has helped me against him and he has submitted. Now he only tells me to do good.”(Saheeh Muslim) …Man cannot gain control over the Jinn as this was a special miracle given only to Prophet Sulaymaan. (OT King Solomon) In fact, contact with the Jinn in circumstances other than possession, or accident is most often made by the performance of sacrilegious acts despised and forbidden in the religion. The evil Jinn summoned in this fashion may aid their partners in sin and disbelief in God. Their goal is to draw as many others as they can into the gravest of sins, the worship of others besides or along with God. Once contact and contract with the Jinn are made by fortune-tellers, the Jinn may inform them of certain events in the future. The Prophet described how the Jinn gather information about the future. He related that the Jinn were able to travel to the lower reaches of the heavens and listen in on some of the information about the future, which the angels pass among themselves. They would then return to the earth and feed the information to their human contacts … (Since the life of Mohamad) …, the Jinn could no longer gather information about the future as easily as they could before the Prophet’s mission. Because of that, they now mix their information with many lies. The Prophet said: “They (the Jinn) would pass the information back down until it reaches the lips of a magician fortune-teller. Sometimes a meteor would overtake them before they could pass it on. If they passed it on before being struck, they would add to it a hundred lies.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, At-Tirmidhi)Aisha reported that when she asked God’s messenger about fortune-tellers, he replied that they were nothing. She then mentioned that the fortune-tellers sometimes told them things, which were true. The Prophet said: “That is a bit of truth which the Jinn steals and cackles in the ear of his friend; but he mixes along with it a hundred lies.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim)A few point here:Explanation #1 1. Those who have no real knowledge or secrets but depend on telling their customers about general incidences which happen to most people. They often go through a series of meaningless rituals, then make calculatedly general guesses. This is what I call an intuitiveThe ability to read people! The best example of this was the psychic Johnathan Edwards and the best demonstration of this ability is the TV show PSYCH. In the TV show PYCH a detective pretends to be a psychic to solve crimes – when actually, he is just observant and sees the clues no one else notices, much like Sherlock Holmes Larry’s original question – Is Allah the devil “And when We told the angels to prostrate to Adam, they all prostrated except Iblees. He was of the Jinn.” (Quran 18:50) NO – but we can see that Iblees (Islamic Satan) is of the same type of creatures as the Jinn Which, is consistent with Gnostic Christianity and the belief in the Archon. The Chief Archon is the Devil as Christians know him, and the evil spirits are the spawn of that Chief Archon. Great comparison Islam – Iblees and the Jinn Gnostic Christianity – The Chief Archon (aka the Devil) and his offspring the Archon (evil spirits)
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2014 17:09:05 GMT -5
Do I believe in Ghost
YES! - as Archon spirits acting as posers.
This is always their job to pose as something they are not. "Other gods," "Lesser gods," Jinn, Evil Spirits, disembodied Archon, which would also make them INTER-DIMENSIONAL beings.
They appear from the heavens and return there. They pop out from thin air - is the same as - they manifested themselves in our dimension.
Other gods and Lesser gods are always Archons posing as gods. Evil spirits are always Archon according to Enoch.
But Dave - the psychic knew things that only Uncle Frank would know - it must be real. Except, who knows what knowledge is available in the next realm, or other realms, of existence. Islam clearly says, they mix a little of the truth in to make the experience believable, but to that they add many lies.
This is always the function of the Archon - offering false information, offering false plans for salvation, keeping humanity sidetracked and otherwise occupied so that we do not have the time or energy to "Seek Ye first the Kingdom of Heaven."
As long as people are busy talking about Ghosts and Shadow People - UFOs and Aliens - Or, Science's lack of need for a God and discussions of The Big Bang or Evolution - the less time we have to Ponder our relationship to/with our Creator.
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Post by Larry on Aug 3, 2014 8:59:30 GMT -5
WOW - there is an answer for ya
Thanks for your time
What you said is interesting, but I am not quite a believer in the evil spirit thing If there are that many evil spirits in this world it would seem like we would know it Wouldn't every church be spreading the word - yet we hear nothing about this
Why would evil spirits only inhabit deserted or abandoned buildings or why would an evil spirit be tied to a particular location. like when a ghost haunts a particular house or follows a particular person
You mentioned Ghost Hunters. I have watched many of these shows. None of them make an angelic or evil spirit connection.
Allah - you think him real huh?
and in other post here you also talk about Aliens are they also evil spirits?
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2014 11:27:43 GMT -5
I hear ya,
What I share, more than most, is my belief in the Archon
Basically the Archon is nothing more than a Greek word to describe those 1/3 of the angels that followed the Chief Archon into Hades.
The Chief Archon is created, ugly and monstrous. He then has off-spring. This is just different vocabulary to describe what Christians would call the Devil and his demons. Roman Christendom is complete with stories about angels helping man. They appeared to the shepherds, to Daniel, to Lot, to Mary. The the Book Angels, by Billy Graham, he list many examples of angels acting as protectors - missionaries in China and South America. We all know about our guardian angels. Scripture give us several stories about angels - like when Ezekiel told his servant to look out of the window to see God's Army. When the servant looked, he saw the hill sides covered with flaming angels and chariots. We are told about the heavenly host and how the host of angels sing God's praises in heaven.
The angelic side of the story is well told!
Christendom also refers to the other side of the story, but not in much detail. 1/3 of the heavenly host fell? 1/3 of the heavenly angels follow the Chief Archon Refer to Gen 6:1-4 and Rev 12 The Nephilim are defined and then mentioned only twice in all of OT Scripture
Jesus comes and walks on earth. He spends much of his earthly ministry casting out devils and demons Mary Magdelin was possessed by 7 demons One guy was possessed with so many demons they just called themselves LEGION
This other side of the story, this darker side of the story, is just as rich ans full as the Angelic side of the story However, Rome has edited this other side of the story out of the canon Rome has down-played this darker side of the story into its modern obscurity
Roman Christendom wants you to believe that it is just between you and God Many newer denominations don't believe in demons at all - the responsibility is on man The local Church of Christ Pastor told me very bluntly - possession is impossible
Rome has also gone to great lengths to edit this other side of the story Any text that discusses these Archon is immediately banned as heresy Even if those text were written by the Apostles Paul, Peter, Phillip, James, John, and Thomas Men who walked side by side with Jesus - Men who wrote the NT
It is in those forbidden 'Gnostic' texts that the rich and full story of the Archon is revealed.
Gen 6 - the'Sons of God,' the Archon come down to planet earth and fathered the Nephilim, which are Archon / human hybrids Gen 9-10 - the flood was supposd to remove these Archon and Nephilim from the earth BUT The Book of Jubilees tells us that because of Satan's request 10% of the Nephilim are allowed to remain The Book of Enoch tells us that God decreed that since the Nephilim were born of earth, their spirits must remain on earth and walk the earth as evil spirits
This is not the best video out there - but listen to the words of Pastor Howard Pitman, who had a near death experience and got to see into the heavens.
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Post by Virginia on Aug 3, 2014 12:14:28 GMT -5
I am really glad someone has brought up this subject. Let me tellyou my experience.
When my son was a year old we moved to Santa Maria, Ca. My husband had rented a house and I was never in the house until the day we moved in. I immediately knew someone was there. My husband searched the house and yard but found no one. My husband went to bed early but I stayed up till 10 or so. I would get in bed and I would hear what sounded like 3 people having an argument. I would complain to my husband but he was hard of hearing and could not hear anything.
Then my husband started to complain that his ash tray was being moved. He would find it in the oven, the refrigerator, in my sewing room on my sewing machine. We kept the door closed and our son was too small to open the door so our son was not doing it. The couch would wiggle like someone was shaking it. That he did experience himself but living in Californis, he thought it may be a small earthquake
I always had the feeling someone was sneaking up on me and I would swing around, but no one was there.
One day I talked to the ghost or whatever was there and that was a hugh mistake. I told the entity that I was only there for a short time and then I would be gone but in the meantime we could "share" the house. The entity then turned on me. Would plug my nose so I could not breath. It would float a white glove over the bed to scare me.
Our son would appear in the door way of our bedroom and would be standing there sound asleep. I would get up and put him back in bed. Now I was really getting scared.
On the day we moved out the 2 ladies from across the street came over to say goodby. I finally told them about the house. They told me 2 ladies had rented the house before us and they said the same things I was saying and they moved out in fear.
I never saw a ghost but I know something was there. After we moved out our son never sleep walked again and I never had those same things happen to me.
I believe 3 people had an argument and someone was killed or all 3 were killed and they did not move to the light. And they were stuck there to relive the incident over and over.
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2014 14:22:11 GMT -5
Cool story
Questions - I would be interesting if you followed up by contacting subsequent renters after you left to see if each had the same experience.
My next question is about you - what were you doing at this time in your life. Were you ill, had you suffered a head trauma recently, were you being active in a church, had you started a new medication - anything particular about this time in your life?
I ask because - I believe that some things, some events, or even drugs (altered states of consciousness) can make people able to see things they couldn't before.
Many different religions, more than just the Native American Indian, use different drugs or techniques to cause a vision.
Gnostic Scripture clearly says that Adam and Eve had a bright nature before they sinned.
The First Book of Adam and Eve 5:8-10 And Adam said to Eve, "Look at thine eyes, and at mine, which afore beheld angels in heaven, praising; and they, too, without ceasing.9 "But now we do not see as we did: our eyes have become of flesh; they cannot see in like manner as they saw before." 10 Adam said again to Eve, "What is our body to-day, compared to what it was in former days, when we dwelt in the garden?"
The First Book of Adam and Eve 8:1-2 THEN Adam wept and said, "O God, when we dwelt in the garden, and our hearts were lifted up, we saw the angels that sang praises in heaven, but now we do not see as we were used to do; nay, when we entered the cave, all creation became hidden from us." 2 Then God the Lord said unto Adam, "When thou wast under subjection to Me, thou hadst a bright nature within thee, and for that reason couldst thou see things afar off. But after thy transgression thy bright nature was withdrawn from thee; and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
Scripture tells me that we are not alone! Adam and Eve saw host of angels in the heavens, but after they sinned that ability was taken away from them/us. As a Gnostic, this would also include the demons and devils, or Archon and Jinn.
"They" are all around us - everywhere - we just cant see them
Just like some animals can hear things we cannot. Just like some animals can see things we cannot. Numbers 22:20-23 Balaam could not see the angel of the Lord standing right in front of him - but his donkey could.
The reality is that some people are more sensitive than others. Some people, because of drugs, emotional state, or whatever are able to gimps into this unseen realm. Edgar Casey is my favorite example, but there is video after video available of people that - from time to time - see into this unseen realm. Some have claimed to see heaven. Some claim to have seen hell.
On the smaller scale - some people see things they interpret as ghost. Some see things they interpret as demons.
The point is - sometimes some people see things The next point I MUST make is the information from my paper on The Psychology of Understanding People close on information within the framework of their own perspective and heritage
Here is my imaginary example - A catholic, a scientist, an atheist, and a Muslim all see the exact same something The Catholic will swear it was an Angel of the Lord The scientist and atheist might call it an alien A Muslim may call it a Jinn I might call it an Archon
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2014 14:58:47 GMT -5
Even I have a story
Almost 30 years ago I met my Nephew, I cant seem to recall his name, but he was my brother Harold's son (whom I also only met a few times in my life.) We seemed to hit it off and he invited me to a party he was going to in Sturgis Michigan.
At that party, I became very intoxicated. Under the influence of more than just booze. I didn't know any of these people. My Nephew eventually left me on my own and sometime around 3am, or so, I found myself sitting on top of the picnic table in the back yard. I noticed that someone had joined me and we exchanged a few words - Hi- How are ya - want another beer - you know just party talk.
Then for some strange reason I felt as if that other person was there to hurt me, or was grabbing at me. The feeling was so strong that I turned to face them - only to see nothing more than just a shadow. I immediately became terrified and bolted away from the table and even left the party, because now I was sober enough to drive Scared sober, if you can believe that.
That one event probably forms the foundation for my belief in the Archon/demons/ devils Because it certainly was not pleasant nor peaceful and that one event bothered me for years, wondering what I had experienced (making it more than just an illusion or hallucination - a lot more) To this very day, as I retell the story, it feels as real to me as it did that day.
I tried my best to repeat that experience - but all I managed to repeat was the hang-over that followed.
Even my wife has a story
She was Bible thumping and sharing a hotel room with other girls from her church. They were on a trip of some type - church related. When she was alone in the room a man spoke to her. She was in the room alone so the sound of a man's voice startled her. She turned around to see a man and woman dressed in old fashioned clothing. There is a lot more to the story, but I cannot tell it properly because it is not my story.
The point
For me - it could have been the drugs and alcohol that let me see something that is probably always there, I just cannot see it. For my wife - as I said she was Bible thumping at the time (altered mental state increased sensitivity)
One last story I grew up in a very small town, population 800(?), Pete Miller owned and operated the local back-hoe service. His wife Katherine was one of the sweetest Christian ladies you would ever want to meet. It seemed as if the same people were at the one and only restaurant for breakfast each morning. After the death of her husband Pete, she began sitting at the community long table where I and all the farmers sat to complain about the weather. We became Christian friends. Me in my early 30s and she in her 70s.
Memorial Day 1994 Pete used to set in his gliding rocking chair, beside his favorite touch lamp. He would sit there every night to read the paper and eventually fall asleep. Pete died in 1992. 2 years later, Memorial Day 1994, Katherine and her 2 sons drove to the cemetery to place flowers on Pete's grave. When her and her sons returned her to her home the light was on in the living room, but they all knew all the lights were off before they left. When they open the front door - Pete's chair was rocking and his touch lamp was on. I heard the story from Katherine and both her sons. All 3 stories identical. Talk about a credible witness - Katherine was the most straight laced Mennonite woman imaginable - she believe she was visited.
Everyone cannot be crazy - something is there - we just cannot see it.
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Post by Virginia on Aug 4, 2014 12:01:19 GMT -5
It's me Virginia.
I had just quite my job to move. I was then a stay at home mom. Nothing tramatic had happened to me. No car accidents or anything at all. I was on no medications at all. I did no drink and took no drugs. The day we moved out of the house I was too scared to spend another minute in the house. My husband went into town to cash his check and my son and I sat on the curve outside to wait for him.
I keep thinking I will hear from someone about the house but I never followed up on it. I was a new mother and we moved around a lot and at the time I never considered doing anything. I was too scared to think about it. I do not suffer from depresion or any other mental problems. After we left that house I never experienced anything like that again. It is now 47 years later.
I was not religous then and am still not religour today. I think we do not understand what the Bible is trying to tell us.
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Post by Richard on Aug 5, 2014 9:05:31 GMT -5
I have never seen anything. I have never had an experience. I have never seen an alien or ufo.
I have not seen the Creator, I have not seen the holes in his hands, I wasn't there at Calvary.
Yet I BELIEVE
If ghost are the disembodied spirits of human beings then the bulk of scripture is wrong. Scripture tells me that once we experience our physical death our eyes are opened.
The Rich Man and Lazarus 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
Some translations say there was a large gulf between Lazarus and the rich man, but these two could clearly see one another. Many sermons are given that refer to the VEIL that exist between heaven and here.
2 Kings 6: 15 And when the servant of the man of God arose early and went out, there was an army, surrounding the city with horses and chariots. And his servant said to him, “Alas, my master! What shall we do?” 16 So he answered, “Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.” 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, “Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
Passages like this seem to suggest that the veil between heaven and earth is very thin indeed.
Dave's Gnostic story of Adam and Eve having a 'bright nature' that allowed them to see across these veils that separate the heavens.
Scripture says that when we cross over, our eyes will be opened, we will see the truth
So the idea of being trapped between worlds, as disembodied spirits, lost and confused is just anti-scripture, it is a lie, it is a deception. A little of the truth mixed in with a whole lot of miss-information.
Isn't it interesting how many people deny the spirits as presented by scripture as absolute bunk, but believe in ghosts and the paranormal! If ghost are real, then that should validate the reality of the spirit realm. A spirit realm man has sought since the beginning.
Virginia, I am glad that you are not religious and I agree with you that we don't really understand what the Bible is telling us. But it is telling us something. Perhaps understanding it is as important as searching it. We are all at different levels along the path. None of us are at the end and some just think they are closer than others.
But the greatest sin of all, the greatest mistake of all, is to give up on the path and instead, become quagmired in the toil, debt, and politics of the world. Be not of the world, but seek ye the kingdom of heaven.
We know that individual people do have guardian angels (Matthew 18:10, Acts 12:15, Psalms 91:11).
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Post by Richard on Aug 5, 2014 9:23:41 GMT -5
Here is the thing I don't understand.
If ghost are real and the spirit realm is real
and if there is any truth in Hollywood movies like
The Exorcist The Amityville Horror The Poltergeist
Why doesn't every movie and every believer end on their knees before the Lord begging mercy and protection?
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