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Post by har on Dec 5, 2022 8:50:55 GMT -5
Is Jesus the Archon Astaphaios (planet Venus) 2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and phōsphoros arise in your hearts: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_(morning_star)Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and MORNING STAR.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2022 13:50:45 GMT -5
(google) Sethian (plural Sethians) A member of an ancient Christian Gnostic sect who venerated the Biblical Seth, third son of Adam and Eve, depicted in their creation myths as a divine incarnation.
Is Jesus a Gnostic archon – YES Archie / archon - FIRST in order, or rank, or time
Christ is – FIRST IN ORDER Christ is – FIRST IN RANK Christ is – FIRST IN TIME
(google) The Apocryphon of John, also called the Secret Book of John or the Secret Revelation of John, is a 2nd-century Sethian Gnostic Christian pseudographical text attributed to John the Apostle.
What makes it Sethian – because the books talk of the Great Seth I have looked and looked at this – too bad the original language is not available (online at Clearmont College – but ALL CAPS NO SPACING IN COPTIC GREEK – beyond my ability)
Paul’s Greek – long run in sentences with G846 αὐτός + αὐτός + αὐτός + αὐτός It is really hard to keep the pronouns straight The Apocryphon of John speaks of the Creator (Archon) and the Beast (archon) When is says the archon formed Adam – I say this archon was God
THE KEY = precept upon precept, line upon line – the bulk of scripture validates itself -------------------------------------
(wiki) In Sethian Gnosticism, Astaphaios is an archon. In On the Origin of the World, he is one of the three sons of Yaldabaoth, with the other two being Yao and Eloai. In the Apocryphon of John, he is the third of the seven archons.
Yaldabaoth = the BEAST – and yes the Beast has offspring
Phosphorus (Ancient Greek: Φωσφόρος, romanized: Phōsphoros) is one of the Astra Planeta, specifically the god of the planet Venus Just more evidence that Isa 14 Lucifer is not satan
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Post by har on Dec 5, 2022 15:47:02 GMT -5
Very interesting Dave,
Isaiah 14:12
how you fell from heavens howl you son Shahar you were hacked down to the earth one defeating over nations
איך נפלת משמים הילל בן שחר נגדעת לארץ חולש על גוים
Also, Shahar is who Jacob wrestled with and renamed Jacob, Israel... Genesis 32: 24-32
Shahar is the morning star Venus, bringer of the dawn.
Shahar is the god of dawn in the pantheon of Ugarit. Shahar is described as a child of El along with a twin, Shalim, the god of dusk. As the markers of dawn and dusk, Shahar and Shalim also represented the temporal structure of the day.
The Hebrew/Canaanite root word for the god Shalim ( ש ל ם ) is the same for Solomon and (Jerusalem (City of Shalim)
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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2022 1:59:10 GMT -5
Isaiah 14:12 how you fell from heavens howl you son Shahar you were hacked down to the earth one defeating over nations
(Isa 14:12 [WHM]) אֵ֛יךְ נָפַ֥לְתָּ מִשָּׁמַ֖יִם הֵילֵ֣ל בֶּן־שָׁ֑חַר נִגְדַּ֣עְתָּ לָהַאָ֔רֶץ חֹולֵ֖שׁ עַל־גֹּויִֽם׃
H1125 בֶּן־אֲבִינָדָב Ben-'Abiynadab (ben-aɓ-ee''-naw-dawɓ') n/p. 1. (the) son of Abinadab. 2. Ben-Abinadab, an Israelite.
Cool - Depends on the Hebrew you use
H7835 שָׁחַר shachar (shaw-char') v. to be dim or dark @-nc-m-s-a-H-a @: Hebrew origin nc: noun-common m: masculine s: singular a: absolute H: Homonym a: 1st
HELP ME – Masoretic text considers (the) son of Abinadab and shachar as homonyms
(the) son of Abinadab, a shachar – the son of Abinadab, the stupid (the) son of Abinadab, a shachar – the dim witted / dull son of Abinadab
Every English translation of the HOT says “OF” as in a genitive of possession
(ASV) son of the morning! (KJV) son of the morning! (TLV) son of the dawn! (YLT) son of the dawn!
Isa 14:12 πῶς ἐξέπεσεν ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ὁ ἑωσφόρος ὁ πρωὶ ἀνατέλλων; συνετρίβη εἰς τὴν γῆν ὁ ἀποστέλλων πρὸς πάντα τὰ ἔθνη.
Ἑωσφόρος (Heōsphóros), from ἕως (héōs, “dawn”) + φέρω (phérō, “to bear, to carry”).
ὁ ἑωσφόρος ὁ πρωὶ ἀνατέλλων – the shinning/glowing (male thing) that raises at dawn --------------------------------
Also, Shahar is who Jacob wrestled with and renamed Jacob, Israel... Genesis 32: 24-32 Also not my understanding – it is a time stamp - for the day breaketh -------------------------------
Shahar is the god of dawn in the pantheon of Ugarit. Shahar is described as a child of El along with a twin, Shalim, the god of dusk. As the markers of dawn and dusk, Shahar and Shalim also represented the temporal structure of the day.
So this ‘other god’ of the Levant is the offspring of their god DUH – all the ‘other gods’ of the Levant are offspring of the Beast
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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2022 9:02:35 GMT -5
HELP ME – Masoretic text considers (the) son of Abinadab and shachar as homonyms Every English translation of the HOT says “OF” as in a genitive of possession (TLV) son of the dawn! (YLT) son of the dawn!
Question – what is the Hebrew grammar that injects “OF” – other than word association
ὁ ἑωσφόρος ὁ πρωὶ ἀνατέλλων – the shinning/glowing (male thing) that raises at dawn the rising shinning/glowing (male thing) at dawn
As I understand it - the most origional Hebrew (the oldest Hebrew) we have today = The Dead Sea Scrolls As I understand it - it reads a lot more like the Greek Septuigent than WLC Do you have a source link to it?
Textural variation = the reason I listen - buy don't hang my hat on gamatria
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