I have become aware in my studies that translations can be quite dogmatic.When the interpreted doctrine become the fact
I say this with different vocabulary
Cognitive closure – our mind closes on imagery – within the boundaries of your on knowledge / understanding
A Catholic, a Baptist, and a Presbyterian all have different backgrounds
As they discuss the same verse – you get 3 different versions – each closes on what he knows
Is she a young maiden – or an old hag
If you are a life guard at the beach – you see the young maiden
If you work in a nursing home – you see the old hag
Someone charismatic comes along and pints out how to see it differently – suddenly a new doctrine is born – a new way of looking at thing – a new perspective
YES – each of us have to wake up from our own traditional assumptions – and look at things with an open mind – a willingness to see it from the other side – test it all and keep the good – it is just growth and maturity
Yes – this is my issue with the local corner church – you can check in – but you never leave (Hotel California)
I have been declared a Christian for decades – and every service I am told about John 3:16
Hello = next lever please – elementary school is over – let’s bring the discussion at least up to a 9th grade level
The “church” has failed to keep educational pace with the public it serves
I know so many people that promote Intelligent Design – but will not do church because they will be asked to check their brain at the door
This only fuels – the predicted falling away
My journey – as a diligent Christian – I began interacting with ‘Ask a Rabbi”
I have several friends – that used to be Jewish a generation ago – heritage
WOW – why did Roman Christendom misrepresent Judaism so badly?
For me the answer = The Roman Edit – the attempt to write Rome in as the Center of the World
The attempt to dejudaize the faith – moving the Sabbath – blaming the Jew for killing Jesus
(I’m having a bit of a problem with this transition)You translate – you will understand this disclaimer from my copy of the Nag Hammadi Library“from the INTRODUCTION of my copy
The texts were translated one by one from Greek into Coptic, and not always by translators xapable of grasping the profundity or sublimity od what they sought to translate. The translator of a brief sections of Plato’s Republic clearily did not understand the text … Fortunately, most texts are better translated, but when there are duplications one can sense the difference a better translateion makes in comparison to the poor translation – which leads one to wonder about the bulk of the text that exist in only one single version.
There is this same type of hazard in the transmission of the texts by a series od scribs who copied them, generation after generation, from increasing corrupt copies, first in Greek and then in Coptic. The number of unintentional errors is hard to estimate, since such a thing as a clean control copy dose not exist; nor dose one have, as in the case of the Bible, a quantity of manuscripts of the same text that tend to correct each other when compared.”
Hundreds of copies of the synoptic Gospels were compiled together to make the modern Roman Canon
How many copies of the Gospel of Phillip exist in the entire world – ONE
Thank you Roman Edit
You translate – you will understand – you grasp the impact of the thousands of textual variations with scripture
You translate – you will understand – that the Roman canonization process – is not – never was perfect by any stretch of the imagination
It is because of these textual variations – I listen, but do not hang my hat on gematria
You translate – you will understand – ‘The Hebrew Bible’ did not come to us via Israel
Up until 1947 the WLC was the oldest copy 1080D Russia
Dead Sea Scrolls – now an older copy – context of the 1st century – and it is different, and it is much closer to the Greek Septuagint than The Hebrew Bible
(references available)
So – when reading / translating / trying to understand esoteric text – all of this must be taken into consideration!I do not hang my hat on gematria – nor would I ever let one word – or one verse dictate an entire doctrine (My dig at Ezk 28)
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הנפלים Nephilim (The distinguished ones)www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen6.pdfBOOM – I would love to discuss thisRoman Christendom teach this – the fallen ones
(Gen 6:4 [WHM])
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָהַאָרֶץ֮ בַּהַיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנֹ֣ות הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעֹולָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ פ
H5303 נְפִיל nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m. - נְפִל nphil (nef-eel')
(properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant.
@-nc-m-p-a
@: Hebrew origin
nc: noun-common
m: masculine
p: plural
a: absolute
Here is my word game – and how I rationalize / justify my dogma
theexplanation.com/contradictory-meanings-for-biblical-hebrew-word/Contradictory Meanings for A Biblical Hebrew Word
Syntax – word usage
Roman Christendom claims – Nephilim are those who fell – the fallen ones
English – salesmen are not the ones who are sold – they do the selling
English – Policemen are not the ones being policed – they do the policing
Gnostic – Nephilim are NOT the ones who fell – but the ones that cause others to fallI do not offer this as academic fact or as scripture
This is just my idea – my dabble into word usage – and how I ‘perceive’ the larger story - how I rationalize / justify my dogma
Would love your academic response to thisהנפלים Nephilim (The distinguished ones)BOOM – I would love to discuss this
Gen 6:1-4 – 3 views
1- Sethian – the bane elohiym = the children of god (small g) = the Beast – the serpent race – we call devils and satanas
2- Roman doctrine = These are “fallen angels” that “fell” from heaven = demigod offspring = Nephilim
The Messianic Jewish problems – is that Judaism has no fallen angels
Jew have Enoch and his watchers
Jews have – King Solomon has beelzebul and his shedim
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
It is this information that claim within itself to come out of these 40 days
James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
They were Jewish – their theology was/is Jewish – they speak of the First Archon and his offspring (archon)
Archon – ‘authority’ / ruler – first in rank or order
Gnostic - The Beast of Revelation is Gnostic Archon- Archon
Gnostic – The archon are the serpent race – that we call devils and satanas (Rev 12:9)
Archon becomes a first century (context of Jesus Christ) descriptor for demon / Jinn / shade / shedim
And one of the biggest critizism of the ‘ie Gnostic Gospels’ is they say the archon created man
Archon (God) archon(Beast) archon (devil) = GREEK
You translate Greek – Paul - αὐτός - αὐτός - αὐτός - αὐτός
POINT – Gen 6:1-4 DOES result in demi-god creatures The ‘bane elohiym’ (satan’s seed – Gen 3:15) did not come down to earth – they have always been in/on the earth since Gen 1:2
The ‘bane elohiym’ are the offspring of the Beast – the serpent race – that we call devils and satanas
Enoch called them Watchers – why
Because – “just outside our field of vision – are entities that are anything but human – that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons” “… some people call the demonic, some call them the serpent race, Islam calls them the Jinn: - David Ike
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Do you have a Aramaic copy of the book of Enoch?... Or, Enoch 7.2... And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits.... (I’m having a bit of a problem with this transition)
NEITHER – I have 1995, Guadalupe Baptist Theological Seminary Press edition, Ronald K Brown, James C Winston Publishing Co
It says –
7:1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
I copied and pasted this from – sacred text .com
www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe010.htmtook unto themselves wivesYES – more than one way to look at this Gnostically
1- the archon are copy cats – God made man in His image – they attempted to do the same
2- this was a deliberate attempt to spoil creation – The Beast = entropy = spoiler – corruptor
3- this was an attack upon Jesus Christ – attempting to prevent his birth
YES – you could make a Gnostic sermon from all of these
4- But – there is a larger version of the same event
The Apocryphon of John"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment. And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil.
1- his angels = his messengers
2- King Solomon tells us that the shedim were ugly – hideous
One Gnostic text calls them an aborted fetus
Robert just posted a rabbinic commentary calling them incomplete
3- John says - at first they did not succeedThey - changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates
SHAPSHIFTINGYes – very Gnostic – very Islamic Jinn- even very David Ike Reptilians
David Ike – presents the phenomena this way
These (demons, serpent race, Jinn – archon / shedim / shades) have superhuman powers
King Solomon tells us they can manipulate nature – wind, rain, fertility
NOTHING CHANGES – it is mind control – they make you see whatever they want you to see
Hypnosis – the onion is an apple – and the hypnotized eats it all
Hypnosis – the man next to you is naked
Hypnosis – planted images – projections – illusions – parlor tricks
they bare great giants, My copy of this text says – from Ethiopic Hebrew
Translation = Coptic Broader Canon = Egyptian Coptic = Egyptian Greek
Greek – giants = child of gods and mother earth (Gia)
giants = The Titians – Cronos + Gia - child of gods and mother earth (Gia)
giants = demi-gods – child of earth and not earth
YES it also means tall – giagantic – sure / agreewhose height was three thousand ellsOK – let’s get serious
1- what is a pre-diluvian ell? – is it the same as a post-diluvian Egyptian ell? – unknown / assumption
2- textual criticism – did someone add a zero? – did someone forget the decimal point?
3- textual criticism – was it an ell – or an oll – maybe an ill – maybe an ili
One day I went to the University of Notre Dame to see some original Greek – all caps, no spacing, many diphthongs, terrible handwriting, - WOW – beyond me
4- gigantic – YES – tall enough to survive the flood
Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.
Yes – the saga of Enoch – these ancient ‘gods’ lived in temples built by man
Man had to bring daily sacrifices of food – to feed them
And eventually – the Nephilim ended up eating man himself - and each other
Sinning against birds – again – demi-gods – chimeras (Zeus + Swans) Zeus and Hercules – lions +eagles - man+horse – man+goat (satyrs of the ahl/OT) – reptiles+birds – etc – chimeras
OK – this is the issue between Robert and IJudaism does not have “Roman Fallen Angels of Ezk 28” – they have Enoch and King Solomon
These creatures were always – something biological – gross and ugly
The agl/NT – gives the creation story for the BEAST – the serpent race – that we call devils and satanas
The Gnostic Gospels – call them archon
The Hypostasis of the ArchonsSophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
1- Sophia – Goddess of Wisdom – just another name for the Holy Spirit
2- Robert cannot get over the phrase – She did it alone without her consort
He argues that if I accept the Trinity – how could such a statement be acceptable
This is how I explain I to myself - how I justify / validate my own dogmaMat 6:4 so that your tzedakah may be in secret; and your Father, who sees in secret, shall reward you.
This is an idiom on the Right and Left hand
The Right Hand = the Hand of instruction and salvation – male – Christ
The Left Hand = the Hand of mystery and judgment – feminine – Holy Spirit
God never said – let there be from the Right Hand
The Beast APPEARED (Rev 12:3) from the Left Hand - the feminine
Rom 5:12 – through one human being = Eve was first – from the feminine
Gen 2:17 the instruction was given to the masculine – Adam
what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus.MADE WITH SOME MATTER – not fully ethereal and not fully corporeal
At home in the DARKNESS – invisible – yet can be visible
Jacques Valley – calls UFOs and Aliens INTRA-DIMENSIONAL VISITORS
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Also, in the Hebrew Bible the son’s of Anak survived the flood.
Genesis 6:1–4 (pre flood)... Numbers 13:33 (post flood)
YES – BOOM – to the pointIF –you do not understand what happened in Gen 6
Then – much of the ahl/OT will not make sense
How do the ‘archon’ Nephilim survive the Flood
1- Jewish legend – Hamm hid one in a shadow and fed it when no one was looking
2- Jewish legend – The Nephilim hung on the outside of the ark – and Hmm fed him through a knot hole
3- Some were very tall – taller than the flood waters
The Book of Jubilees -
www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jub/index.htm10:4. But do Thou bless me and my sons, that we may increase and multiply and replenish the earth. 5. And Thou knowest how Thy Watchers, the fathers of these spirits, acted in my day: and as for these spirits which are living, imprison them and hold them fast in the place of condemnation, and let them not bring destruction on the sons of thy servant, my God; for these are malignant, and created in order to destroy. 6. And let them not rule over the spirits of the living; for Thou alone canst exercise dominion over them. And let them not have power over the sons of the righteous from henceforth and for evermore." 7. And the Lord our God bade us to bind all. 1 8. And the chief of the spirits, Mastêmâ, 2 came and said: "Lord, Creator, let some of them remain before me, and let them hearken to my voice, and do all that I shall say unto them; for if some of them are not left to me, I shall not be able to execute the power of my will on the sons of men; for these are for corruption and leading astray before my judgment, for great is the wickedness of the sons of men." 9. And He said: "Let the tenth part of them remain before him, and let nine parts descend into the place of condemnation." 3 10. And one of us 4 He commanded that we should teach Noah all their medicines; for He knew that they would not walk in uprightness, nor strive in righteousness. 11. And we did according to all His words: all the malignant evil ones we bound in the place of condemnation, and a tenth part of them we left that they might be subject before Satan 5 on the earth. 12. And we explained to Noah all the medicines of their diseases, together with their seductions, how he might heal them with herbs of the earth. 13. And Noah wrote down all things in a book as we instructed him concerning every kind of medicine. Thus the evil spirits were precluded from (hurting) the sons of Noah.
AFTER THE FLOOD – Noah asked God to finally get rid of the Nephilim
In an agreement with “satan” –
90% became the imprisoned ‘sinning angels/messengers’ of Jude1:6 + 2 Peter 2:4
10% remain – to continue their mission
The Book of Enoch -
www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm15: 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]
10% remain – to continue their mission1- they father the Rephiem – Gen 14 – the iniquity of the Amorite
2- In biological form they can be killed
3- when you kill one – their spirit become the EVIL SPIRITS of this world
4- the interesting theme = medicine
Valery Uvarov, a Russian space researcher and ufologist concludes in the Russian press that Aliens are studying both mankind and our 3 dimensional reality, in search for their own version of a unified theory of their reality. They are looking for their God, from whom they have been disconnected somehow. Their research has revolved around the long drawn out religious slow play of humanity.
– modern relevance = WHAT
Other than re-establishing 1948 Israel to set the stage for prophesy
Roman Christendom - other gods? Aliens? UFOs? Ancient Bible stories? Allah? Jinn?
Gnostic – they – all of them – are all the same story – the same demonology – the same theology
All of them are of the same group = the BEAST , the serpent race, that we call devils and satanas
Sorry there are no short answers- everything is relevant to the central theme
My argument with Robert = Add all the back history – add all the temple Library = add secular history – even add in all the 99% pagan crap - cumulatively it validates King Solomon and the Archon of The Gnostic Gospels
OR –
Hebrew and Judaism is just the base / foundation for it all Hmmm – Hebrew truth = all the truth – no matter where you look – or when you look – or on any scale you look – Rom 1:19-20 – as a Messianic Jew want-a-be – it is so obvious
Hebrew and Judaism is just the base / foundation for it all
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
When you are ready – I have a good Greek study for you – am I the only one to see it?
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