Former Seventh-day Adventist Pastor Exposes the Lies

[Dave]

Oct 1, 2022 18:01:25 GMT -5 Dave said:

Robert - Your denial of Christianity is so obvious
You have deliberately taken a formal stance against everything I hold dear as a Christian
In my opinion – you will do anything or say anything to MOCK the spirit

You deny that Christ = God – because your god is not able to be in two places at the same time
You diminish the omnipotence and omnipresence of the Creator
You even teach you can block god with a shadow

Do you teach that Jesus Christ was/is God incarnate – NO
Do you teach that Christ = God = The Holy Spirit – NO
Do you teach the spirit and the goal to be spiritual – NO
Do you teach eternal life – NO
Do you teach Proportional Punishment and Reward – NO
Do you teach Pentecost – NO
Do you believe Pentecost – NO
Do you believe that while Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days – Christ preached to the lost spirits - NO

Do you teach that the BEAST of Revelation is real and alive and our real struggle – NO

Do you support the empirical evidence of Rom 1:19 and recognize Incremental Creation for what it is – NO

Do you teach God chose Israel to be His 1% and gave them the Torah – NO – NOT for the last 2 months
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Why is that? And how is our differences possible when we both claim to be following Jesus?
EXCATLY – you stand against Judaism and Christianity as a whole
You want to replace it with your santan centric Ellen White SDA religious crap!

Obviously – The SDA teaching of Ellen White does NOT teach the God of Judeo-Christianity
I have been patient with Robert for a lone time – the more he speaks the less Christian he becomes
I cannot allow his satanic teaching to continue here – enough is enough

This is exactly how deception works - looks like, smells, like, taste like - just misses the mark
Just like all the religions of the Second Great Awakening - Joseph Smith, Miller/Ellem White, Charles Russell - Bahai Faith

Robert is a follower of Ellen White Christianity – like Islam – evidently Lying and misrepresenting the truth is an acceptable method of witness

Sept 27, 2022 6:29:37 GMT -5 Dave said:

Your presentation IS NOT one teeny weeny point –
1- You are presenting satan god who possess all humanity – that rules all humanity – that forces man to sin and hate God

2- You present the idea that a created being – can change his own role within creation
You satan was created to serve and praise – but on his own decided – to change that role to opposing God and hating God – then your satan has the power to alter all of God’s original Plan – also against God’s Will – ABSOLUTE CATHOLIC BLASPHEMY!

3- you present the idea that there is NOT one true God – Judeo-Christian Monotheism
You argue a family of 4 different individuals all called god

4- you absolutely deny the spirit – and spirituality – and Pentecost
You MOCK those who say they have experience the Spirit – and call it satanic

Oct 3, 2022 15:14:01 GMT -5 @robertt said:

R" … the idea of a spirit living outside of its biological body is false.

5- you absolutely deny the idea that Jesus Christ was God incarnate – impossible you say – and ask how can God be in two places at the same time

You stand against Judeo-Christianity – and want to replace it with Catholic Satanism
Which requires a rewriting and rethinking of all the Jewish theology that Jesus Christ did not come the change in any way

Former Seventh-day Adventist Pastor Exposes the Lies & Intentional Deceits of Ellen White & the SDA
10:00 min

1:15 The pillar of the Adventist Church = Dan 8:14 – IVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT
Even the insiders and scholars of the SDA church itself = know that their Adventist teaching is NOT supported by scripture

Secrete scholar meeting to resolve the issue – disbanded and left no minutes
They knew it was wrong – and tried to cover it up

2:55 - The White Lie, by Walter T. Rea summarizing the quotes of Ellen White – Deceptive Plagiarism
Deceptive Plagiarized – large section, her own testimony, her dreams, and visions – even th words angels spoke to her
2000 visions - more than any prophet that ever lived – and the leader of a failed church

'There are many, perhaps the majority, of Adventist pastors and Bible teachers who want to run as far away from Daniel 8:14, 1844 and the investigative judgment, and the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary as possible. Yet the church cannot dismiss this doctrine. This doctrine is not only the central pillar in name, it is the central pillar holding up the whole Adventist identity."

I have said this - Robert cannot admit his error because it would mean Ellen White is a Fraud
BUT - just like the SDA organazation - Robert would rather keep preaching error than to admit error

5:35 – truth is NOT consistent with SDA doctrine

7:00 – they all know the doctrine is wrong – but the SDA have a good pension plan so keep preaching tradition over scripture

Other suggested books

Sabbath in Crisis Jan 1, 1995 by Dale Ratzlaff

The Cultic Doctrine of Seventh-Day Adventists: An Evangelical Resource and an Appeal to Adventists Jan 1, 1996 by Dale Ratzlaff, Kenneth Samples

[Dave]

I was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG about Seventh-Day Adventism - Part I
34:12 min
"There are some major problems in their doctrine and over the next couple of videos I am going to discuss and debunk them as best I can."

6:32 – Ellen G White is more important than scripture – definition of a cult

8:15 – He says – Ellen White is a woman and should not be teaching men

Mainstream Christianity – is a man’s club
1Ti 2:12 But I do not allow a woman to train or dictate to a man, but to be in a quiet demeanor.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 Also Adam was not deceived but the woman—being deceived, she fell into transgression.

Judaism is NOT a male only religion
Miriam the prophetess; Deborah the Judge; Huldah the prophetess; Abigail, who married David; Rahab; and the Persian Jewish queen Esther.

Gnosticism is NOT a male only religion
A woman is under a man subjection until she becomes a man
i.e – until she takes responsibility for herself and her own salvation

10:00 – Ellen White’s authority – she is a prophet – her writings are a continuing authority of truth
Her writings are a continuing authority of truth = additional scripture – Just like the Mormons

11:55 – SDA believe Ellen White’s writings are equal with Gnostic Paul

15:31 – The Bible is the only source of truth as interpreted by Ellen White

Heb 1:1 At many times and in many ways, God spoke long ago to the fathers through the prophets.
Heb 1:2 In these last days He has spoken to us through a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things and through whom He created the universe.

18:55 – Ellen White plagiarizes this passage to include herself

19:26 – Ellen White revelation came from an angel – so did Joseph Smith (the angel MORMO)

21:00 – The INVESTAGATIVE JUDGEMNT -= the biggest heresy

22:00 – the Millerites were wrong 3 times – 3 different dates – just Like Chares Russell
This guy criticizes the Millerites for date setting – no man will know the day Mat 24:36

What about -
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaks in Adonai’s Name and the word does not happen or come true, that is a word that Adonai has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously—do not be afraid of him.
He makes the POINT – instead of repenting the surviving SDA invented a justification doctrine to justify their 3 false dates setting events

24:00 – Christ did not return to earth – He enter into the Heavenly Sanctuary
Christ – is investigating all believers – and counting their sins – so he can Judge

He makes the POINT – instead of repenting the surviving SDA invented a justification doctrine to justify their 3 false dates setting events
An Insult to the atonement of Jesus Christ

28:20 – This guy NAILS Roberts teaching – there is NO CERTANITY IN YOUR SALVATION
Correct – Robert teaches that you must do daily ritials of faith or God will forget who you are and that you are saved

28:45 – SDA IS A WORKS BASED SALVATION
Correct – I have often said this to Robert – THING TO DO


Seventh Day Adventism is WRONG About the Sabbath! Part 2
21:39 min

Requirement of the Sabbath
Exo 20:8 “Remember Yom Shabbat, to keep it holy.

Act 15:10 Why then do you put God to the test by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples—which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
Act 15:11 But instead, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Yeshua, in the same way as they are.”

Keep the law and the Fri/Sat Sabbath – or just Saturday – or Sunday – or Wednesday night?

Gnostic Christian Answer -
Heb 4:2 For we also have had Good News proclaimed to us, just as they did. But the word they heard did not help them, because they were not unified with those who listened in faith.
Heb 4:3 For we who have trusted are entering into that rest. It is just as God has said, “So in My wrath I swore, ‘They shall never enter My rest,’” even though His works were finished since the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works,”
Heb 4:5 and again in this passage: “They shall never enter My rest.”

Heb 4:9 So there remains a Shabbat rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For the one who has entered God’s rest has also ceased from his own work, just as God did from His.
Heb 4:11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, …

The Sabbath – the Day of the Lord – the Day we should keep holy – is every day – for the 7th Day remaineth – for the Sabbath remaineth - the Day we should drop to our knees and PRAISE GOD = every day

I now understand why Robert refused to study this passage
Not just the 6 24hr day issue Day 7 had to be over 5783 years ago

8:45 – the 10 Commandment only for the Jews – Disagree
All of the Commandments are included within the Greatest Commandment

9:45 – he is losing me – he is NOT wrong – but he is misrepresenting Judaism

11:00 – His argument about having to repeat the ahl within the agl to validate it

Gnostic Christian Answer
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.

11:30- Sunday Worship is the mark of the Beast
This guy says – Saturday does = the 7th Day on a Roman Calandar
So Sunday is the correct day – Disagree

Synod of Laodicea - Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
The movement from Saturday to Sunday is man-made religious error

Gnostic Christian Answer -
Heb 4:-5 / Heb 4:9 -11
The Sabbath – the Day of the Lord – the Day we should keep holy – is every day – for the 7th Day remaineth – for the Sabbath remaineth - the Day we should drop to our knees and PRAISE GOD = every day!

Jewish Answer = Quorbots
You do the best you can – even locked in prison and slave labor every day

17:20 – Saturday vrs Sunday
Religious ritual debate = man-made crap to keep man apart – in disagreement – denominational pride – Im right – your Wrong
My Family tries to have a family night dinner together with the Lord
But since school started – our schedules have been a zoo – but we do the best we can
Do we love the Lord any less?

It is not that we mock the Friday Night meal - But being the world comes with compromise
Robert said – I do the things I have to do – to live the life I choose

[Dave]

Are Seventh Day Adventist Really a Cult? With Doug Batchelor
30:05 min

Doug Batchelor defends Ellen White and the SDA

I have encountered Doug Batchelor before – I did not agree with him before
Now that I revisit him – he sounds just like Robert – diverts the question / twist the question into something he wants to answer

2:00 – Absolutely Robert’s modus operandi
The comment is whether the SDA – should be included as a “Christian Denomination” – “A”
DB reply – the word denomination means a group – of course the SDA are a group – “B”

3:09 – only recently has there been a movement to be more accepting of the SDA
As the faith becomes more polluted and diluted + The Second Great Awakening

4:25 He tries to distance himself from Miller – SDA was not a ‘denomination’ until 1860
Using his own definition – IT WAS ALWAYS THE SAME GROUP
AND – still uses the same Advent math introduced by Miller

6:45 – 3 major complaints of the SDA
1- Legalist –
1a – Sabbath- (google) Saturday – Sixth day of the week - Time and Date
www.timeanddate.com › ... › Days of the week
Saturday comes after Friday and before Sunday in our modern-day Gregorian Calendar.

On the Roman calandar Saturday is day 6 NOT 7
Jewish Sabbath = evening –end of Day 6 to morning to end of Day 7
Saturday vers Sunday – s a silly theological argument
Except to understand that the change was done deliberately to dejudize the Roman catholic fath

Gnostic Christian – and all mainstream Christians – Heb 4 – Day 7 / God’s Day of rest remaineth!

8:40 - Absolutely Robert’s modus operandi
Attack the source – opens no book – sits in front of a sign

8:50 – of course the SDA believe they are saved by faith – BUT there is more you have to do
WRONG - there is more you have to regret and repent

9:15 - Absolutely Robert’s modus operandi
To call the rules and mandates of the SDA church legalist you are denying the 10 Commandments
WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!

10:15 – now he want to pick and choose which laws are laws and which laws are not laws
RELIGIOUS BLAH BLAH BLAH
11:55 accuses Mainstream Christianity of nailing the 10 Commandments to the cross then reinstating only 9 of them

Absolutely Robert’s modus operandi
The discussion is between Saturday or Sunday – “A”
He want to argue the 10 Commandments – “B”
No one in mainstream Christianity present it as he says they do
Lying about others – misrepresent the facts – to fit his own argument

THIS MUST BE A CONSISTANT SDA TEACHING

12:00 – then he does it again by presenting a false fact
Mainstream Christian teach the Bible say to gather on Sunday
Lying about others – misrepresent the facts – to fit his own argument
Mainstream Christianity teaches – Not to forsake fellowship – this is a 24/7 occurrence
Mainstream Christianity church on Sunday because they are all from Roman Catholicism

12:30- he admits – the disciples met DAILY

13:00 – DIETARY LAWS
Unclean animals are carrion eaters – scavengers – bottom feeders – even pigs
Medically – they carry disease – DUH

Mat 15:10 Then Yeshua called the crowd and said to them, “Hear and understand.
Mat 15:11 It’s not what goes into the mouth that makes the man unholy; but what comes out of the mouth, this makes the man unholy.”

13:50 - ONE EXCEPTION
1Co 10:27 If an unbeliever invites you over and you want to go, eat whatever is set before you, without raising questions of conscience.
1Co 10:28 But if anyone says to you, “This is from an idol sacrifice,” do not eat it,

POINT – do not participate in – validate – honor – justify – a sacrifice to a false god – DUH

14:00 – The work of Christ in heaven
This guy says – the SDA believe that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ was enough
This is different that Robert’s teach – Robert teaches that you must continue to do religious things to KEEP your salvation

15:35 – He is arguing that Christ ministry continues
All Mainstream Christian also believe this – as the Comforter – teaching / helping / strengthening us from the inside – spiritual communion

15:53 – Heavenly Temple in heaven - sure – but he is loosing me
Physical artifact – in spiritual heaven
Christ is our High Priest in heaven – making intersection – our mediator

All of this is absolutely true and correct – Christ is all of those things sitting at the right Hand of God

SDA ERROR =
adventist.news/news/understanding-the-heavenly-sanctuary-and-investigative-judgement
This important ceremony represents what began on October 22, 1844, when Christ entered the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary. We are given a glimpse into this Most Holy Place in Revelation 11:19, where we read, “Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.”

ABSOLUTE GARBAGE – Christ has always been on the Right Hand of God
Christ has always been our High Priest in heaven – making intersection – our mediator- Zec 3

18:24 – Pastor says – Second Work of Atonement
Doug Batchelor claims – The SDA do not believe that

adventist.news/news/understanding-the-heavenly-sanctuary-and-investigative-judgement
Today, Christ, our High Priest, is in the Most Holy Place, where the Investigative Judgment is taking place.

Did you know that the Bible mentions judgment more than 1,000 times? Judgment is a concept seen throughout Scripture, but the Investigative Judgment is special. As stated in our Fundamental Belief #24, the Investigative Judgment “reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom.”

Is the Pastor correct – Second Work of Atonement – NO
However – The SDA web-site on the subject of Investigative Judgement
Sounds nothing like Doug Batchelor’version of - Christ is our High Priest in heaven – making intersection – our mediator

Again the SDA post “A” to their web-site and Doug bachelor quotes “B”

19:00 - Absolutely Robert’s modus operandi
The discussion is between– “A” – Christ judging WORKS
He wants to argue– “B” – Yes we are judged by our works

Doug Batchelor is trying to be slippery – and play a word game
The discussion is between– “A” – Salvation is dependent upon Christ judging WORKS
He wants to argue– “B” – Yes – salvation IS dependent upon our works

Once saved – always saved – TRUST –
But now that we know better – we will be judges harder than the lost

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may receive what is due for the things he did while in the body—whether good or bad.

But now that we say we know better – but TEACH heresy
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

But now that we say we know better – but TEACH heresy
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

It is all Proportional

Luke 6:23 Be glad in that day and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven

It is all Proportional

Judeo-Christian God is FAIR

Luk 12:47 That slave who knew his master’s will but did not prepare or act according to his desire will be harshly whipped.
Luk 12:48 But the one who did not know and did things worthy of a beating will be whipped lightly. From everyone given much, much will be required; and from the one for whom more is provided, all the more they will ask of him.

Judeo-Christian God is FAIR - It is all Proportional

19:35 - Absolutely Robert’s modus operandi
Doug Batchelor is trying to be slippery – and play a word game
The discussion is between– “A” – Salvation is dependent upon Christ judging WORKS
He wants to argue– “B” – Yes – salvation IS dependent upon our works

ANSWER – NO SALVATION IS NOT BASED IN WORKS!
However – without the Divine Pardon (Salvation in Christ) each of us will reap what we have sewn - proportionally

20:30 – ELLEN WHITE is elevated as a prophetess equal to Paul
And her writing are equal to Paul

20:45 – elevates Ellen White superior to scripture because you must see it as she interprets the Toarh
AGREED - this elevates Ellen White – and her writings
21:40 – Doug Batchelor absolutely denies this

We already know from other videos that the SDA does IN FACT elevate Ellen White to the only interpretation – and elevates her equal to Paul

Absolutely Robert’s modus operandi
Lying about others – misrepresent the facts – to fit his own argument

22:35 – Doug Batchelor ABSOLUTELY DENIES that the SDA elevate Ellen White
YET Robert disagree with him as an SDA Robert uses Ellen White as the only interpretation of the Bible and Ellen White’s ideas include non-scriptural doctrines from the Second Great Awakening from Mormonism, the Jehovah’s Witness, and using the Advent Math of the Bahai Faith of Islam

[rob]

I note I did not reply to these attacks on our faith.
I have also noted Dave has not been to his website much since I was deleted.

Are you still out there?

I guess I have missed talking with you. There are few people willing to defend their Christian experience with God and even less willing to discuss. Shalom

[Dave]

There are few people willing to defend their Christian experience with God and even less willing to discuss.  note I did not reply to these attacks on our faith.
Yes – everyone has noticed this about you.
Make claims – mock God and Christ and the Christian faith, but offer no substance

I have also noted Dave has not been to his website much since I was deleted.
Quality is so much more important than quantity

If you have been good and healthy for this forum, why do I get personal messages that say:

Dec 1, 2022 17:06:22 GMT -5 XXXX said:

Hi Dave,

I have visited your site many times but I have not wanted to get involved in a discussion with Robert...
i must say you have showed great patience with him…

No one here is interested in your satan god!

[Dillon]

It has already been established. Robert is not a Judaeo-Christian, with a Jewish foundation and a Jewish Messiah. He is an Ellen White cultist that denies Christianity’s Jewish foundation. Instead, he is an Adventist accepting the Islamic prophesy of the coming of the Islamic Mahdi. Another false religion that emerged alongside Mormonism and the Jehovah's Witness. This is exactly why he must deny all the other gods of the Levant and the Chaldean origin of the New Testament satan, and the reason why he has never taken a stand on the true identity of Allah.


The Baha’i Faith and the Advent Movement
"To most people, the Baha’i Faith seems to be a random, independent world religion springing up in the 1840’s. But in fact it is a relic of the Advent Movement in Islam, misguided after the Great Disappointment in 1844."

[Dave]

note I did not reply to these attacks on our faith.

This has always been my struggle with Robert. For three years, or so, I have begged and pleaded with him to defend his theology with scripture. He did not because he cannot without invoking Ellen White.

Secondly, his claim that Judaism is error and Jewish beliefs are error is just to pompous to tolerate.

He comes back to this forum and the very first thing he says = still not answering questions. So, I cannot imagine what type of discussion he intends.

[Dave]

Hey Rob

Are you still out there?

[Dave]

Richard asked – why did Dillon go so far as to say:
Robert is not a Judaeo-Christian, with a Jewish foundation

Answer – Robert claims he has the authority to rewrite the Old Testament to fit his own theology. His God is nice and friendly and never causes any harm to humans – while the real students of the Old Testament ask:

Q. Was God Cruel To The Egyptians At The Exodus?
Bible.org
Apr 11, 2020 — it is true that God did send the death angel to kill the first-born males of Egypt (Exodus 11:4-5), ..

(Ex. 12:29) Why would God slay the firstborn of ...
Evidence Unseen
God judged the firstborn of Egypt.
How a Loving God Could Kill Egypt's Firstborns
Catholic Answers

During the Passover in Exodus, God killed the firstborn of Egypt, including infants and small children.
Who Killed the Firstborn Sons of Egypt?
Redeeming God
In Exodus 11–12, the text indicates that God decided to kill all the first-born sons of Egypt.

What type of God would kill the firstborn of Egypt?
Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
God allowed the first-born to be killed as a judgment upon Pharaoh as a proof of God's superiority

Exodus 12:29-38
Bible.com
At midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt—from the firstborn of the king who sat on the throne to the firstborn of the prisoner in .jail..

(Exodus 12:12) Who Really Killed the Firstborn in Egypt? -
lastmessageofmercy.com
Feb 15, 2021 — When reading this verse at face value most come to the conclusion that God is the one who directly killed all the firstborn in Egypt.

Exodus 12:29 Now at midnight the LORD struck down ...
Bible Hub
At midnight the LORD killed every firstborn male in Egypt from the firstborn son of Pharaoh who ruled the land to the firstborn son of the prisoner in jail,

This is just the first example of his denying scripture that does not fit his version of theology.

At the Second Coming of Christ – He will return as a LION laying waste to the unholy as prophesied by Enoch. Robert refused to address this fact as well or even read the prophesy.

This is just one of many non-Old and New Testaments denials by Robert. He refused to answer these question before and I doubt he will respond this time.

So - how can Robert call himself a Judeo-Christian if he denies Judeo-Christian scripture?
He has another version presented by Ellen White

[Dave]

Another denial by Robert is the idea of his nice Feel Good God never commanded the genocide of the Ammorite. We argued about this over and over. Again Robert has a different Old Testament than the rest of Judeo-Christianity – or he has the authority to rewrite it at will.

1Sa 15:2  (TLV)Thus says Adonai-Tzva’ot: ‘I remember what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. 
1Sa 15:3  Now go and strike down Amalek and put all he has under the ban of destruction—so have no pity on him; but kill both men and women, children and nursing infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” 

How can Robert claim to be a Judeo-Christian and deny scripture at the same time.

[Dave]

But the biggest difference between Robert and me = his belief that Hebrew satan is the god of evil opposing God. Yet, in all our time together he could NOT produce one verse to support his claim. Every verse we examined at length = Hebrew satan working for the Lord NOT opposing Him.

He always reverts to the Catholic version of Ezk 28 or Isa 14 – which no Jewish scholar ever equated with Hebrew satan before Rome invented the theology. His position is that Judaism was always in error – although he has no evidence except Catholic theology. I begged him for any pre-Roman evidence – but he could never produce any – because it does NOT exist.

When I tried to show him that even the New Testament authors used a completely different word of Chaldean origin for New Testament satan – he doubted my ability to translate Greek and his only defense is that no Roman Catholic agrees with me or the Jewish scholars of the Torah.

Instead he promotes the idea that there are two kings and two gods – the Creator and satan as the god of evil.

When asked about the many Jewish devils of the Old Testament - he again just argued that no Jewish scholar ever understood Judaism as well as the Catholic church.

Scripture is very clear - nothing exist that was not created by God. The New Testament even goes so far as to say:

Joh 1:3 (TLV) All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. 

Col 1:16  (TLV) For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities (Gnostic Archon or Catholic Princapalities). All was created through Him and for Him.

But Robert will argue that his satan god created himself against God's Will and then altered God's Plan also against God's Will.

Now Robert admits - I guess I have missed talking with you.
I can't wait for him to finnally adress his own theology in open forum.

[Richard]

Robert

You have complained before that no one answers your emails, no one answers your questions. You even say:

May 26, 2023 15:57:24 GMT -5 rob said:

There are few people willing to defend their Christian experience with God and even less willing to discuss. Shalom

It would be a pleasure to introduce you to God’s grace. By now you should realize that you have been brought up within an anti-Christian environment and taught very wrong theology.

Don’t you understand that is the true weapon of your satan. Instill strong beliefs in anything other than the truth. Do you consider those who have strong pagan beliefs as saved? Do you consider those who are devout Muslims as saved? What of those throughout the Old Testament who placed their faith in Baal?

Evidently you are still searching or you would not have so many questions for so many different people.

Mat 7:7  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 
Mat 7:8  for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 

First you must believe in the question, or you are just testing God.
Secondly you must be open to the answer.

There is a reason you have returned to this forum. If you cannot be honest with others, you can never be honest with yourself.

May 26, 2023 15:57:24 GMT -5 rob said:

Are you still out there?

[rob]

Greetings Richard,

I would love you to tell me, your version of the truth Richard.
You are right, I missed much in reaching the friends on this forum.
Perhaps we can start again.
How are you and Dave these days?

I am working full time now, since COVID has gone away, so I cannot reply like I used to, only a few times, each week, on Friday and Saturday. I am a gardener at a Mining Village, so I live away from my home computer.

Grant me the pleasure of your understanding of God's grace. Shalom