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Post by Dave on Sept 29, 2022 16:26:35 GMT -5
If you believe – you know the truth of judgment – and try to do better and repent
If you know God and understand the sacrifice he made for us – we are overwhelmed with thankfulness – love for what he has done for us – completely humbled
If you doubt – you doubt the judgment for disbelief – and don’t need to do better or atone
If you doubt there is a God – there is nothing to oppose – worldly selfish desire is its own reward
To oppose God – first you must believe in God to oppose Him
Otherwise you are just operating under the influence of ignorance
Do you agree?
Where is your intelligent discussion?
"Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist?
Where is your answer – or are you just avoiding and deflecting
You have no problem asking the same question over and over
When you you start making honest answers that do not include
1- Scripture is wrong
2- or the metaphore denies/replaces waht is written
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2022 5:19:06 GMT -5
D"To oppose God – first you must believe in God to oppose Him
Otherwise you are just operating under the influence of ignorance
Do you agree?
Where is your intelligent discussion?
R" Greetings Dave. You are deflecting and not answering my posted questions.
IN your view, such a question cannot be answered because God has no basic moral laws, that even God must follow. So under your view, no human can be judged for sin, because no human understands God in the first place, or has any understanding of the moral law, or even what a sin is.
HOWEVER, in my view, the torah view, God has a universal law that even God obeys, and must obey. And all humans who don't even know God, do follow some of those basic moral laws, and thus are judged by those laws.
No human normally kills another human, while the human watches.
No human usually steals a wife in front of her husband.
No human usually steals a car while the owner is looking.
So all humans have basic laws they themselves uphold and follow.
Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
Paul explains this process here.
So for this to work there must be a universal law all creatures, including GOD must follow and keep.
The proof for this universal law can be found just in one psalm:--
Ps 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are they who walk in the law of the LORD.
Ps 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies,
Ps 119:3 ..they walk in his ways.
Ps 119:11 ¶ Thy word have I hid in mine heart,
Ps 119:32 I will run the way of thy commandments,
Ps 119:44 So all I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
Ps 119:47 And I will delight myself in thy commandments,
Ps 119:86 All thy commandments are faithful:
Ps 119:103 ¶ How sweet are thy words unto my taste!
Ps 119:130 ¶ The entrance of thy words giveth light;
Ps 119:133 ¶ Order my steps in thy word:
Ps 119:140 ¶ Thy word is very pure:
Ps 119:152 ¶ Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Ps 119:160 ¶ Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Rob" The law is from the beginning and founded for ever.... God's commandments are prayer promises of faith, not as wicked people seem them as a list of don't do this.
His words are true, powerful and eternal and are packed with power (faith promises) see the above verses/
D""Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist?
R" What are you asking Dave specifically here?
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Now you did not answer my other questions....
I gave you a long list of verses, proving the SHEDIM angels, are sinning angels, with the devil, all restricted to earth, but not locked away, as you claim. You ignore all the verses I gave you.
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D" I have thought long and hard about this – to make my answer as perfectly clear as possible
Answer – NO – or absolutely rare
Why – anyone who believes in God – cannot unbelieve
Once you KNOW (gnosis) that FIRE IS REAL AND IT BURNS – you can never unknow this
Once you are saved – you are always saved – no one – no demonic force – not even yourself can break this
Once you are save – you can disappoint God – fall short – fail – backslide – struggle – but God is always with you
R" What about the foolish virgins than, and Jesus said I never knew you? Surely they knew GOD and were saved by God?
What about those who said, did we not cast out demons in thy Name and do many wonderous works. Jesus says to them, I never knew you.
Obviously to me, some of us can break relationships with God, it's common.
Not rare as you claim.
RP"What exactly is wrong with the relationship to God if it's broken?
D" IGNORANCE OF GOD - disbelief in the truth of judgment
R" How is that an answer? I get from you, that one cannot make a broken relationship to GOD?
That is simply not true.
Foolish virgins broke their relationship.
Luke warm break their relationship.
Like being almost a Christian, but wholly lost.
De 31:27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck:
Here is a whole nation breaking relationships with GOD
Jer 17:23 But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.
Sounds like a broken relationship to me?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 30, 2022 6:07:45 GMT -5
D"To oppose God – first you must believe in God to oppose Him Otherwise you are just operating under the influence of ignorance Do you agree? Where is your intelligent discussion? R" Greetings Dave. You are deflecting and not answering my posted questions. I did answer you – you just don’t like my answerHow can you oppse something you don't even believe in?IN your view, such a question cannot be answered because God has no basic moral laws, that even God must follow. YOU MAY INSULT ME ALL YOU WANT – God can hear you as wellSo under your view, no human can be judged for sin, because no human understands God in the first place, or has any understanding of the moral law, or even what a sin is. HOWEVER, in my view, the torah view, God has a universal law that even God obeys, and must obey. And all humans who don't even know God, do follow some of those basic moral laws, and thus are judged by those laws. Then answer MY QUESTION – why did God leave the 99% in ignoranceYour consistent answer that God did give all the world the Torah and all the world is God’s chosen people called Israel – IS NOT SCRIPTURAL OR HISTORICAL ---------------- D""Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? R" What are you asking Dave specifically here? Gee you must have specifically miss an entire postD" Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist?R" I respect the Rabbi, Dave, but he was sued by some making outrageous claims. He is just a human, we all make mistakes, me included. Mat 10:24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple to become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! Have No Fear Mat 10:26 “So do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed and nothing hidden that will not be made known. Mat 10:27 What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear in your ear, proclaim from the housetops! Deuteronomy 32:35,Romans 12:17-19 NKJV - Vengeance is ... www.biblegateway.com › passage Vengeance is Mine, and recompense; Their foot shall slip in due time; For the day of their calamity is at hand, And the things to come hasten upon. Romans 12:19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but leave ... biblehub.com › romans Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” . Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. Hitler and his holocaust – rapped, plundered, and murdered Putin is rapping, plundering, and murdering as we speak Which man can change your salvation by the Lord?Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist?anyone who believes in God – cannot unbelieve Once you KNOW (gnosis) that FIRE IS REAL AND IT BURNS – you can never unknow this Once you are saved – you are always saved – no one – no demonic force – not even yourself can break this Once you are save – you can disappoint God – fall short – fail – backslide – struggle – but God is always with you R" What about the foolish virgins than, and Jesus said I never knew you? Surely they knew GOD and were saved by God? They pretended to know – pretenders – social Christians – churchians
When you ask a person why are you a Christian – if the answer = my parents were
They played religion – all they had was belief – and belief can change Obviously to me, some of us can break relationships with God, it's common. YES – religious believers are common – churchians – attend whatever is close and claim MEMBERSHIP in the club
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2022 16:23:58 GMT -5
Greetings Dave'
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Then answer MY QUESTION – why did God leave the 99% in ignorance
R" God didn't. He has sent prophets to all tribes all over the world, teaching the truth to them.
The conscience teaches truth, all humans have this.
The HS lives in every human, so all the humans have to do is listen.
Israel was meant to only teach aspects of salvation in poetry types, not meant to be the only vessel of salvation.
Jesus is salvation, not Israel humans. The HS presents Jesus to all human tribes who listen to the voice of the conscience.
Israel was meant to be a candle light to the entire world. But other candles went also into the world, Noah for example to Chinese.
D"anyone who believes in God – cannot unbelieve
R" That is not true.
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
A straight person simply has to stop making prayer promises of faith, and his current sins condemn him.
D"Once you are saved – you are always saved – no one – no demonic force – not even yourself can break this
R" Scripture does not teach that. See verse above.
D"They pretended to know – pretenders – social Christians – churchians
R" I see. Was Paul a pretender before he was converted?
Was Peter a pretender before he was turned around the second time?
What about Moses who sinned once and not allowed to make it to the promised land ?
D"When you ask a person why are you a Christian – if the answer = my parents were
They played religion – all they had was belief – and belief can change
R" Salvation is not a ritual, nor a tradition. Salvation is a person you must daily have faith in.
Salvation is not knowing Jesus, or knowing about Jesus, salvation is doing faith with Jesus powers, every day.
Salvation is a process, it has a beginning, yes the seed, but also a growing time, the seedling. You have to experience both.
D"YES – religious believers are common – churchians – attend whatever is close and claim MEMBERSHIP in the club
Luke warm – you said it
R" These are social clubs where the humans do their pious things using SELF powers.
A righteous man is righteous because he choose to do Faith in Jesus words. He can also stop using Jesus words and go back to using his own words of SELF. That is called backsliding.
Lukewarm is a human who mixs faith and SELF, lives under two masters. Self and Jesus.
A hot person lives always under faith in Jesus. One master. He never uses Self any more. This ruler has died.
We must fight the good fight of faith. Why is it a fight? Because the war over self is hard, a battle of reasoning with self in the mind, do I choose to speak Jesus words of faith or don't I?
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
Here the human forgets to speak faith, and so sins.
The foolish virgins ran out of HS oil because they stopped using faith. They were not pretenders. Just luke warm. ( one puzzle, why didn't they just pray faithfully for the powers of God again? Instead they ran to a oil shop? Maybe they didn't understand where faith comes from? Maybe they made excuses?)
Ho 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
Here is the reason why some of us stop using faith... it's a curse... being happy in Jesus makes pride increase if we do not become serving for others....
The relationship on their end became broken.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Oct 1, 2022 9:50:33 GMT -5
Then answer MY QUESTION – why did God leave the 99% in ignorance R" God didn't. He has sent prophets to all tribes all over the world, teaching the truth to them. Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (google) Why is Israel called God's people? Why is Israel called God's people? Because of the Torah. Rabbi Jose ben Simon said: "Before you stood at Sinai and accepted My Torah you were called 'Israel' as all the other nations are called by specific names ... But after you accepted My Torah at Sinai you were called 'My People. '" The conscience teaches truth, all humans have this.Agree – (yester tov ) is of the soul and dep inside we all know betterThe HS lives in every human, so all the humans have to do is listen.
Every human is NOT a Born Again Christian –
or a Prophet of the Lord that speaks with the Lord directly and personally
Israel was meant to only teach aspects of salvation in poetry types Jesus is salvation
Israel was meant to be a candle light to the entire world.Just a moment ago you denied your own statement.Then answer MY QUESTION – why did God leave the 99% in ignorance R" God didn't. He has sent prophets to all tribes all over the world, teaching the truth to them. You have no need for Israel teaching the world – all the world’s religions are correct and from the Creator------------------ D"anyone who believes in God – cannot unbelieve R" That is not true. Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. A straight person simply has to stop making prayer promises of faith, and his current sins condemn him. WHY DO YOU DOUBT THE LORD100 Bible Verses about No One Will Pluck You Out Of My Hand www.openbible.info › topics › no_one_will_plu... “'See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. ---------------------- Robert – you and I are not talking about the same thing at all
Your denial of Christianity is so obvious
You have deliberately taken a formal stance against everything I hold dear as a Christian
In my opinion – you will do anything or say anything to MOCK the spirit
You deny that Christ = God – because your god is not able to be in two places at the same time
You diminish the omnipotence and omnipresence f the Creator
You even teach you can block god with a shadowOn the last day of your mortal life – if I approach you with a branding iron – you will absolutely remember that it BURNS Once you KNOW (gnosis) that FIRE IS REAL AND IT BURNS – you can never unknow this Facts are facts that never change that is why we call them factsOnce you KNOW the Lord as FACT – you are always saved – no one – no demonic force – not even yourself can break this Once you are save – you can disappoint God – fall short – fail – backslide – struggle – but God is always with you `They knew the man jesus – NOT CHRIST – they did not know Christ as God They pretended to know – pretenders – social Christians – churchians When you ask a person why are you a Christian – if the answer = my parents were They played religion – all they had was belief – and belief can change Obviously to me, some of us can break relationships with God, it's common. YES – religious believers are common – churchians – attend whatever is close and claim MEMBERSHIP in the club Belief is not FACT – it is hope
Faith is not fact – it is belief held with convictionD"Once you are saved – you are always saved – no one – no demonic force – not even yourself can break this R" Scripture does not teach that. See verse above. belowJoh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. D"They pretended to know – pretenders – social Christians – churchians R" I see. Was Paul a pretender before he was converted?DUH – Paul absolutely denied Jesus Christ until he was convertedWas Peter a pretender before he was turned around the second time? YES – Peter denied Christ 3 times before the cock crowed
Then in the Book of Acts he preached the laying on of the hands and the Baptism of the Holy SpiritWhat about Moses who sinned once and not allowed to make it to the promised land ? Moses worshiped Egyptian gods until God reached down and chose Him
Spoke to God – saw God’s Glory and back, but not His face--------------------- D"When you ask a person why are you a Christian – if the answer = my parents were They played religion – all they had was belief – and belief can change R" Salvation is not a ritual, nor a tradition. Salvation is a person you must daily have faith in.Salvation is not knowing Jesus, or knowing about Jesus, salvation is doing faith with Jesus powers, every day. Spoken like a true Muslim – who has belief held with conviction = Faith in Islam
Or should we practice Faith rituals to Jehovah the man-god of the Mormons Salvation is a process, it has a beginning, yes the seed, but also a growing time, the seedling. You have to experience both.
Faith in Islam or Mormonism or Jehovah’s Witness or Scientology will NOT lead you to ChristD"YES – religious believers are common – churchians – attend whatever is close and claim MEMBERSHIP in the club R" These are social clubs where the humans do their pious things using SELF powers. A righteous man is righteous because he choose to do Faith in Jesus words.
The why do you deny the word’s of Jesus Christ Himself?D"Once you are saved – you are always saved – no one – no demonic force – not even yourself can break this
R" Scripture does not teach thatJoh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. Why do you deny Jesus Christ Himself – Why do you deny the New Testament
Why do you argue so hard against the spiritual relation with the CreatorDisciples want to be Elisha - - just to be Elisha’s servant is not enough – more is promises and given Why do you refuse to answer direct question? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 16:14:09 GMT -5
Dave laments " Robert – you and I are not talking about the same thing at all
Your denial of Christianity is so obvious
You have deliberately taken a formal stance against everything I hold dear as a Christian
In my opinion – you will do anything or say anything to MOCK the spirit
You deny that Christ = God – because your god is not able to be in two places at the same time
You diminish the omnipotence and omnipresence f the Creator
You even teach you can block god with a shadow
Rob replies" Dave, I have learned that anything I say is not understood by you? Why is that? And how is our differences possible when we both claim to be following Jesus? I have discovered that speaking the truth from the torah is a waste of time, because you keep on quoting other torah to suit your view, so with twisting torah anything is possible. For example Eze 18:24 Read the this verse against this verse De 32:39 ¶ See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. 40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. These verses are talking about when GOD rescues a person, no SHEDIM can stop GOD, for GOD is more powerful than any adversary. Than you quote " Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Yes, once you are faithful to Jesus, Jesus is faithful to you. But what happens if you choose not to be faithful and allow pride to increase Ho 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. Than you slowly forget Jesus, forget to pray faith promises of His power, and you break relationship. Just as the foolish virgins did. D" You have deliberately taken a formal stance against everything I hold dear as a ChristianR" That is not my intention Dave. Can I ask you some personal questions, these I hold dear to my heart and experience. I talk to GOD daily in my conscience, does God talk to you daily in your conscience? When I sin my conscience becomes quiet, and I lose my relationship with God, but often when talking to God, I find it's because I have not prayed faithfully that day, so I am learning the need to pray every day formally and informally, sometimes more than twice a day. Informally in my mind I pray to God dozens of times each day, but He likes to have formal prayers, so the adversary learns of my relationship to God. If God requires us as a witness, who do we witness against every day? I live in the bush and rarely run into other humans. Yet God often asks me to witness against my adversaries. These are SHEDIM who sin and require humans to sin, so they can spite God, who will judge them for their sins with eternal death. DO you understand my view of faith Dave? Ho 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, It says to take in your mind His words, turning thus to Jesus, and say these words in your mind, as a prayer faith promise of His power, so that Ho 14:2 ....receive us graciously: so will we render the calves "fruits" of our lips. We receive this power graciously and grow fruits of Jesus, especially from our lips. Paul speaks the same idea Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips We come to Jesus daily with "His words" prayerfully and faithfully spoken to Him, so the fruits of His powers flow into us that day. An example of such faith one can easily measure each day is "Call on me, and I will answer you" Jer 33:3 I ask God to wake me at 4 am. And He does. Or I ask God to wake me at 3 am. And He does. Ask any specific time you like and test the flow of faith power from His words. Another example "Lord control my tongue, not my words, but your words be spoken" This is say to say in the presence of others, we often speak using SELF, but if I speak His words in my mind, suddenly I sense a different flow of words, and directions in my discussion with others. Another example "Lord lead me not into anything dysfunctional" If I don't say these words, my stomach will eat sugar sweets. If I speak these faithful words of power, I receive His divine presence, and so avoid the bad foods and seek foods fit for the temple of the HS who dwells in me and seeks a holy place to commune to me in. Another example "Lord keep my eye single" Such a prayer stops my eye candy sins when walking in shops, because porn is plastered all over the walls of many shops, and woman walk everywhere showing their bodies inappropriately. But if I don't speak these faithful prayer of His words, I do not receive His powers and my eyes will look with sin. Now I ask Dave, have you any idea of this experience, I post here? Does this experience of faith mean anything to you? Now you can ask for greater examples, but Jesus asks your to fast and pray more. SO not all public miracles are granted easily unless you fast and pray and develop a more meeker relationship to Jesus first. Hence I doubt the "tongue speaking" miracles as false because God says "by their fruits ye shall know them" , such great public miracles do happen, but they are rare, because many humans are not humble enough or meek enough. D" In my opinion – you will do anything or say anything to MOCK the spiritR" I do not mock the spirit Dave, I am learning to train myself to walk in the spirit of Jesus, through faith, by taking His words and returning to Jesus daily. D" You deny that Christ = God – because your god is not able to be in two places at the same timeR" I do not deny Jesus is divine. However Jesus is also clad with humanity just as we humans are. He is our high priest in heaven as a human, in a human body, with His divinity as always, but His powers of divinity are restricted somewhat by His humanity. Hence the spirit of Jesus flows into any human who wishes Jesus, via the HS, while Jesus who is fully divine in a biological body is our high priest in heaven, atoning for our sins. You deny biological bodies, hence the reason why you resist torah teachings. You even deny angels eat manna like humans did not earth. You seem to think a "spirit" is not other existence, outside of a biological body. The word "ruwach" in Scritpure, means "medium" not "spirit" and thus cannot be used to make it mean some other way to exist. Sure elohiym exists outside of matter, but the Bible says nothing how this is possible. Some things are meant to remain mysteries. D" You even teach you can block god with a shadow"R" Is this not a natural law, you reduce the powers of God reaches you, and thus pride blocks GOD, yes. Not that it is technical to absolutely block GOD out of your life, but the natural simile is meant to teach you how you break relationships with God, or technically reduce your relationships with God, you cannot technically break relationships, outside you would cease to exist. You nit pick and mock, rather than wish to learn. When you sin your relationship with GOD diminishes. When your relationship diminishes too much, it reaches a cross over point, can after than your relationship is a sin unto death. If you bothered to read my studies you would understand my similes better. A Hebrew means to cross over, hence I use the focal point of line and shadows to teach how such relationships exist, there are only two relationships, umbra shadows and pre-umbra shadows. One relationship is about salvation and the other is about eternal death. Must you nit pick and mock my chose of words "block" "oppose" "break relationship" ? "block" means to diminish you presence with God "oppose" means to diminish walking in God's powers "break relationship" the point in your relationship, where God cannot save you because of your standing with God in relationship, because of your sinning. spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htmScroll down to "I quote from our studies " (7) teaching a second time..
Let's teach this again so we might understand.
When you play around with a magnifying glass, or a pen and its shadows under a ceiling light, there is far away an object that makes dark shadows, which are records of your sinning unto death.When you come closer to Jesus and His saving power, the dark shadows go away automatically and you feel like a chief of sinners. You also no longer sin wilfully.
As you first journey from your baptism, the fallen flesh wars over the Holy Spirit dwelling in you with this new power of Jesus, from GOD. So your 'human powers of self' decrease, and your 'powers of Christ from GOD' increase. This is a daily process, a constant waring over your soul. This is what Paul called some growing on milk (Hebrews 5:13), they had not reached the complete level of maturity in the Holy Spirit of Christ. As you journey in your relationship with Jesus, you eventually come to a cross over point, where without knowing yourself, your 'human powers of self' no longer make claims over your mind, and you totally rest in the powers of GOD, through Jesus your Saviour. You are completely filled with the Holy Spirit, but you feel a chief of sinners, when in fact you no longer do wilful sinning. Any miscomings or ignorant missings are sin-offerings NOT unto death, because Jesus maintains His relat ionship with you, and you with Him.End quote. Look at the simile diagram and try to understand my view. D" Once you KNOW (gnosis) that FIRE IS REAL AND IT BURNS – you can never unknow thisR" Dave, my understanding GOD is love, and the LOVE burns. It is LOVE that burns up the wicked, not some magma fire, like Sodom was. Perhaps the physical and the spiritual come together as a punishing things? I don't know. And I confess, I do not understand fully all things about love. D" Once you KNOW the Lord as FACT – you are always saved R" I think we spend eternity learning of love and what love is, and fully never learn all things about love. So your Gnosis achievement is impossible. We have only achieve like Mary or SImon, some love more and some love less. D" YES – religious believers are common – churchians – attend whatever is close and claim MEMBERSHIP in the clubR" You speak once you know GOD you can never break away from GOD? Is this not arrogant? When I ask Jesus the message in my mind is I quote an example of a prayer 2011 - spiritualsprings.org/ss-1527.htm" this website for God, some code is not working ..]
Me: "Lord, your not helping me..";
AJ: "No.."
Me: [despondency feeling]
AJ: [silence]
AJ: "..you're rising in exaltation.."
Me: "..I see.."
AJ: "..trials develop endurance.."
Me: "Will you help me tomorrow..?"
AJ: "..if you continue to be faithful.."
[..in the morning miracles fall quickly into place, what took hours, takes only what seems a matter of minutes..]
Me: "...thank you Lord, the program works.."
AJ: "..thank me formally.."
Me: "..with pleasure.."
[ on my knees, in prayerful thanks to Jesus and His skills of programming]Dave I do not see the foolish virgins as pretenders, I see them as running out of faith. D"Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.R" Yes this is true, as long as you continue to remain faithful. Why does Paul say fight the good fight of faith, if faith is not a life time process? D" DUH – Paul absolutely denied Jesus Christ until he was convertedR" Yes but Paul did not deny the Father did He? He like a Jew, did not know of Jesus as the Father's SON. D" YES – Peter denied Christ 3 times before the cock crowedR" SOmething wrong here Dave. Peter was no pretender before the cock crowed. He was just less empowered by Jesus, and had a desire for Jesus all the time. He was lukewarm, yes, but lukewarm people still love Jesus and wish to overcome Self. With Peter this took time. Dave salvation is a process. You speak of salvation as an event, once you gnosis, the real experience you remain in that experience for ever. maybe. If Peter had died before his second turning around, I am sure Jesus would have saved him. Zec 3:2 ....is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? God can save many of us at a point where our minds reason to long Him, before this gnosis period you speak of, it's perhaps the only reasoning time they have. Often like in Peter, God wants more from us, as we develop more salvation from Jesus and thus grow more in His love. You touch on personal and private matters of relationship, so this is just my two pennies, nothing more, I am not sure how each individual is saved as each case is between Jesus and you, all I know is Jesus chose to allow Peter to live and thus wanted Peter to learn a deeper experience of love, so Peter could respond more deeply from that love. Many of us humans are plucked as a firebrand from the firey love of God, at the only moment we humans have for God in our minds. D" Spoken like a true Muslim - we practice Faith rituals to Jehovah R" So my post here is meaningless to you, foolishness? RP" Salvation is a process, it has a beginning, yes the seed, but also a growing time, the seedling. You have to experience bothD" Faith in Islam or Mormonism or Jehovah’s Witness or Scientology will NOT lead you to ChristR" SO you mock these words too. Hmm? I could write the same about you Dave, you publically mock everything I stand for as well. D" Why do you deny Jesus Christ Himself
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.R" Well this has to have harmony with Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. And I believe GOD answers both cases here Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? The words for "new" is "Chadesh" meaning "renewed" not "brand new" We have to "renew our spirits" every morning before God. As David says here Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Ps 72:15 ...the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised Ps 86:3 Be merciful unto me, O Lord: for I cry unto thee daily. Pr 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, Mt 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. Lu 9:23 ..., and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 1Co 15:31 ...in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. A simile in the temple was the daily, a light that burns continually. Salvation is a daily process of faith, growing in Jesus power, and walking as Jesus walked, speaking as Jesus speaked. D "Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian?What does this mean to you Dave? Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 1, 2022 18:01:25 GMT -5
1- Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist?Where is your answer – or are you just avoiding and deflectingYou have no problem asking the same question over and over When you you start making honest answers that do not include 1- Scripture is wrong 2- or the metaphore denies/replaces waht is written D""Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? R" What are you asking Dave specifically here? Gee you must have specifically miss an entire postWhy do you refuse to answer direct question? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist?
You refuse to answer direct questions over and overDave laments " Robert – you and I are not talking about the same thing at all Your denial of Christianity is so obvious You have deliberately taken a formal stance against everything I hold dear as a Christian In my opinion – you will do anything or say anything to MOCK the spirit You deny that Christ = God – because your god is not able to be in two places at the same time You diminish the omnipotence and omnipresence f the Creator You even teach you can block god with a shadow Rob replies" Dave, I have learned that anything I say is not understood by you? Do you teach that Jesus Christ was/is God incarnate – NO Do you teach that Christ = God = The Holy Spirit – NO Do you teach the spirit and the goal to be spiritual – NO Do you teach eternal life – NO Do you teach Proportional Punishment and Reward – NO Do you teach Pentecost – NO Do you believe Pentecost – NO Do you believe that while Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days – Christ preached to the lost spirits - NO Do you teach that the BEAST of Revelation is real and alive and our real struggle – NO Do you support the empirical evidence of Rom 1:19 and recognize Incremental Creation for what it is – NO Do you teach God chose Israel to be His 1% and gave them the Torah – NO – NOT for the last 2 months ----------------------------- Why is that? And how is our differences possible when we both claim to be following Jesus? EXCATLY – you stand against Judaism and Christianity as a whole
You want to replace it with your santan centric Ellen White SDA religious crap!Can I ask you some personal questions, these I hold dear to my heart and experience. I talk to GOD daily in my conscience, does God talk to you daily in your conscience? DO you understand my view of faith Dave? Ho 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, All you have to do is rewrite the words so they fit your doctrine It says to take in your mind His words, turning thus to Jesus, and say these words in your mind, as a prayer faith promise of His power, so that Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not something you can learn your way into with your own mind D"In my opinion – you will do anything or say anything to MOCK the spirit R" I do not mock the spirit Dave, I am learning to train myself to walk in the spirit of Jesus, through faith, by taking His words and returning to Jesus daily. Rewrite the words to do religious rituals D" Once you KNOW the Lord as FACT – you are always saved R" I think we spend eternity learning of love and what love is, and fully never learn all things about love. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not something you can learn your way into with your own mind
Especially when you deny the spirit – and Rewrite the words to do religious ritualsSo your Gnosis achievement is impossible.You openly deny the baptism of the Holt Spirit – because you deny the spirit – and the spiritualD"Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. R" Yes this is true, as long as you continue to remain faithful. There is NO CONDITION in these passage – why do you add one
All you have to do is rewrite the words so they fit your doctrineSalvation is not knowing Jesus, or knowing about Jesus … D"Spoken like a true Muslim - we practice Faith rituals to Jehovah R" So my post here is meaningless to you, foolishness? When you deny Jesus Christ – your post ARE meaningless and foolishnessRP" Salvation is a process, it has a beginning, yes the seed, but also a growing time, the seedling. You have to experience both D"Faith in Islam or Mormonism or Jehovah’s Witness or Scientology will NOT lead you to Christ R" SO you mock these words too. Hmm? YES – you say FAITH = salvation – but you profess FAITH in a different religion than Judeo-Christianity Dave, you publically mock everything I stand for as well.Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. As long as you deny mainstream Judeo-Christianity you are NOT teaching praise – you want to teach fear like the Baptist -------------- D"Why do you deny Jesus Christ Himself Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. R" Well this has to have harmony with Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. And I believe GOD answers both cases here Absolutely –
Some are spiritual Christians and commune with the Holy Spirit
Some are just believers and their beliefs can change
But you deny this – mock it – even go so far as to call it satanic
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Post by Dillon on Oct 2, 2022 11:07:22 GMT -5
Why should I answer any of your attacks?
You refuse to answer direct questions over and over
I agree, you pass over Dave’s questions like they don’t exist
Rob replies" Dave, I have learned that anything I say is not understood by you?
Do you teach that Christ = God = The Holy Spirit – NO
There is only one creator, one god, any other teaching is just wrong
Do you teach that Jesus Christ was/is God incarnate – NO
If Jesus is divine then he was god because there is only one god
Do you teach the spirit and the goal to be spiritual – NO
Do you teach Pentecost – NO
Do you believe Pentecost – NO
Do you believe that while Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days – Christ preached to the lost spirits - NO
Pentecost is not a requirement, but is desired and respected
Do you teach that the BEAST of Revelation is real and alive and our real struggle – NO
Robert really does go too far, too extreme. His presentation of two gods locked in combat seems very pagan to me. To present two gods, both have to be gods; so Robert does elevate his satan to godhood while diminishing the absoluteness of the creator.
Do you support the empirical evidence of Rom 1:19 and recognize Incremental Creation for what it is – NO
Thus proving Robert’s gullibility. God created everything everywhere and called it good. Robert demands that his satan is so powerful that he corrupted all of gods creation. To present two gods, both have to be gods; so Robert does elevate his satan to godhood while diminishing the absoluteness of the creator.
Do you teach God chose Israel to be His 1% and gave them the Torah – NO – NOT for the last 2 months
Even I cannot fathom Robert’s denial of history and the importance of the Jewish people to Christianity.
Why is that? And how is our differences possible when we both claim to be following Jesus?
EXCATLY – you stand against Judaism and Christianity as a whole
You want to replace it with your santan centric Ellen White SDA religious crap!
I have never known anyone from the Seventh Day Adventist, but all my years of dabbling with church I have never heard anything like Robert’s teaching before. Dave’s statement that Robert is outside of the Judeo Christian norm is truthful.
I always thought Dave was odd man out, but it is clear to me that Dave represents hard core Judeo Christianity, while Robert disagrees.
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Greetings Dillon' You ask " you pass over Dave’s questions like they don’t exist" I ask you, over 4 times Dave repeats the same question Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? What specifically is Dave asking ? Christianity is a very broad term? How do you compare Jewish religion to SDA religion? And ask one understands religion better than the other? So I asked Dave to clarify his question here, and he has not done so as yet? Do you understand Dave's question Dillon, because I don't. Dillon says " There is only one creator, one god, any other teaching is just wrong"
Rob replies, I agree that is one god in heaven too, its part of the SDA creed, but we also admit there are three members of this ONE GODHEAD. It makes the term "one" a little more complicated. SOme term this idea a trinity of one. Dave has a trinity idea too. So what exactly do you disagree with? Are you saying Jesus was a Father expression? I would disagree with that. I see Jesus as a Father's SON, they are both GOD, and members of the Godhead. I quote from Jewish writings Daniel Boyarin, professor of Talmudic Culture at the University of California, Berkeley writes in his book The Jewish Gospels: “ The notion of a dual godhead with a Father and a Son, the notion of a Redeemer who himself will be both God and man, and the notion that this Redeemer would suffer and die as part of the salvational process.
“At least some of these ideas, the Father/ Son godhead and the suffering savior, have deep roots in the Hebrew Bible as well and may be among some of the most ancient ideas about God and the world that the Israelite people ever held.” Now some of these words are the same as the SDA view, ie "godhead" "Father and a Son" and even the idea of a "dual godhead". Therefore I am more aligned with Jewish religion than you think. It's Gnostic religion, that Dave presents, I have never heard of before. And it is NOT the same as Jewish religion, more the same as Hellenized Jewish religion, not all Jewish religion is the same. Dillon asks " If Jesus is divine then he was god because there is only one god"Rob replies correct  Dillon writes " His presentation of two gods locked in combat seems very pagan to me."
Rob replies, I would not call them " two gods locked in combat" A creature opposing GOD is hardly a "god of equal status" Dillon. I do not like the term "god" as a translation to begin with. Because there is only one "god" in the universe. These are as the Jewish professor Daniel Boyarin, professor of Talmudic Culture at the University of California explains, a godhead of several members of ONE GOD. So when some angels decide to sin, these creatures hardly can be considered as "gods", they do not match the eternal power and might of the ONE GOD of all things. However such sinning did break out and the ten commandments says not to have other elohiym powers in your life "Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me." so you cannot say that false elohiym powers do not exist. Dillon writes " Robert demands that his satan is so powerful that he corrupted all of gods creation" ROb replies" You don;t have to be powerful to corrupt things, just clever. Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, How can you do mischief to the womb process of procreating future humans? Just remove some of the letters within the DNA would do this? Is this difficult to do? A spoiler spoils, and Scripture records the mischief maker caused mischief. The penalty for this is life for life. Dillon writes" Even I cannot fathom Robert’s denial of history and the importance of the Jewish people to Christianity." Rob replies " I follow Jewish Bible, we admonish all the culture rules of living under the Bible, which is a Jewish book Jews also follow. I call myself a spiritual cross over, a Hebrew. I do not deny Jewish history. SDA people love Jews and have millions of Jews in our congregation. I can talk to a Jew within my local church about Jewish things. Dillon writes" Dave’s statement that Robert is outside of the Judeo Christian norm is truthful.
Rob replies" I disagree Dillon. I am more a Jew than you claim. I keep Sabbath, do not cook food on Sabbath, we do charity, and pay tithe, and do not eat meat that dies of itself. I do not wear cotton and plastic materials together. SOme of the many rules in the torah we follow. I would also like to keep the feasts, but the SDA does not at large keep them. Dave is the odd religion out, because I have never heard of Gnostic religion before. ---------------------------- Dave asks " you say FAITH = salvation – but you profess FAITH in a different religion than Judeo-Christianity" Rob replies" I have listened to Faith videos by Jews and they term emanuh as "trust" ? What does this mean to a Jew? Many details in the presentation were not explored. Ro 10:3 ...and going about to establish their own righteousness, SO this needs to be explained, and the details of amanuh explained, Dave. Not found this written clearly by Jews. Dave writes " When you deny Jesus Christ " Rob replies" I do not deny Jesus Christ. Jesus is fully divine, still is fully divine, such a being cannot be nothing other than fully divine. He also chose to add humanity to his divinity, forever, in order to save sinners from sin, and resolve the mischief maker mischief. What you are asking me to support is the idea that Jesus is the Father as a different expression. I post this Jewish writing " The notion of a dual godhead with a Father and a Son, the notion of a Redeemer who himself will be both God and man, and the notion that this Redeemer would suffer and die as part of the salvational process.
“At least some of these ideas, the Father/ Son godhead and the suffering savior, have deep roots in the Hebrew Bible as well and may be among some of the most ancient ideas about God and the world that the Israelite people ever held.” This Jew sees elohiym as a " dual godhead" something totally different to Dave's idea of a "trinity of expressions of one Father" this is NOT what this Jew is writing. He is saying the idea of a Father and a Son as a dual godhead, has deep roots in the Hebrew Bible. This is totally different to what you are presenting Dave, and your Gnostic ideas. Dave writes confusion again " Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not something you can learn your way into with your own mind
Especially when you deny the spirit – and Rewrite the words to do religious rituals" Rob replies" DO you care to unpack your word salad, your words make no sense? Please explain. Since when is doing faith every day a religious ritual? Is praying every day also a religious ritual? Is reading Scritpure every day a religious ritual? Ec 11:6 In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good Can't do this Scripture according to Dave, because its a religous ritual? Trees drink water morning and evening every day. Trees make sugar every time they face the SON of light. Are these rituals? What is bad about a ritual? Really Dave what do you do exactly every day with Gnostic religion? You have no rituals? Rob Previous" Ho 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Dave replies " All you have to do is rewrite the words so they fit your doctrineRob replies" You mock these words, how have I rewritten them? Dave writes " EXCATLY – you stand against Judaism and Christianity as a wholeRob replies" How many religions of major churches out there Dave, have a Opposer opposing God and Man? I could name a dozen that have a Satan doctrine, where a devil opposes God and Man. Is there a Gnostic church even? That Dave attends? What church does Dave attend? Does he even attend a church? How can you witness to the entire world if you are not an assembly of a world wide church? Dave writes " Rewrite the words to do religious ritualsRob asks" OK what do you do every day in GNosticism than Dave? DO you attend a Gnostic church? What rituals do you do everyday? D" Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not something you can learn your way into with your own mindR" That's funny Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool Here we reason with GOD, baptism is just our signing of this agreement. Care to explain your words? Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 3, 2022 2:43:32 GMT -5
You ask "you pass over Dave’s questions like they don’t exist" I ask you, over 4 times Dave repeats the same question www.smh.com.au/national/sex-abuse-victims-sue-rabbi-over-commentsSex abuse victims sue rabbi over comments“It's not the event itself, it's the loss of trust, the feeling of weakness or vulnerability. Those issues are issues even if you weren't molested. But the event itself - 'I'm damaged from the molestation' - no, you're not. In fact you've learnt that not every uncle is your best friend, you've learnt an important lesson.''Rabbi Friedman is speaking about your soulSome LEFTIST FEEL GOOD GROUP – ACTIVEST – is standing up for biology / flesh / worldMat 10:24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple to become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! Have No Fear Mat 10:26 “So do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed and nothing hidden that will not be made known. Mat 10:27 What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear in your ear, proclaim from the housetops! Deuteronomy 32:35,Romans 12:17-19 NKJV - Vengeance is ... www.biblegateway.com › passage Vengeance is Mine, and recompense; Their foot shall slip in due time; For the day of their calamity is at hand, And the things to come hasten upon. Romans 12:19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but leave ... biblehub.com › romans Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” . Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. Hitler and his holocaust – rapped, plundered, and murdered Putin is rapping, plundering, and murdering as we speak Which man can change your salvation by the Lord?Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? What specifically is Dave asking ? So I asked Dave to clarify his question here, and he has not done so as yet? www.smh.com.au/national/sex-abuse-victims-sue-rabbi-over-commentsSex abuse victims sue rabbi over comments“It's not the event itself, it's the loss of trust, the feeling of weakness or vulnerability. Those issues are issues even if you weren't molested. But the event itself - 'I'm damaged from the molestation' - no, you're not. In fact you've learnt that not every uncle is your best friend, you've learnt an important lesson.''Rabbi Friedman is speaking about your soulSome LEFTIST FEEL GOOD GROUP – ACTIVEST – is standing up for biology / flesh / worldDoes Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? Do you understand Dave's question Dillon, because I don't. www.smh.com.au/national/sex-abuse-victims-sue-rabbi-over-commentsSex abuse victims sue rabbi over comments“It's not the event itself, it's the loss of trust, the feeling of weakness or vulnerability. Those issues are issues even if you weren't molested. But the event itself - 'I'm damaged from the molestation' - no, you're not. In fact you've learnt that not every uncle is your best friend, you've learnt an important lesson.''Rabbi Friedman is speaking about your soulSome LEFTIST FEEL GOOD GROUP – ACTIVEST – is standing up for biology / flesh / worldDoes Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian? "Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? Dillon says "There is only one creator, one god, any other teaching is just wrong" Rob replies, I agree that is one god in heaven too, its part of the SDA creed, but we also admit there are three members of this ONE GODHEAD Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = TRINITY of ONE GOD – NOT a family of multiple individuals It's Gnostic religion, that Dave presents, I have never heard of before. And it is NOT the same as Jewish religion, The Gnostic Archon are King Solomon’s shedim
The Gnostic Archon is Jewish demonologyDillon writes " His presentation of two gods locked in combat seems very pagan to me." Rob replies, I would not call them "two gods locked in combat" (google) In Seventh-day Adventist theology, the Great Controversy theme refers to the cosmic battle between Jesus Christ and Satan, also played out on earth. Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, delineates the theme in her book The Great Controversy, first published in 1858.Dillon writes " Robert demands that his satan is so powerful that he corrupted all of gods creation" ROb replies" You don;t have to be powerful to corrupt things, just clever. Where is your empirical evidence – Don Patton is only proof of buffoonery Dillon writes" Even I cannot fathom Robert’s denial of history and the importance of the Jewish people to Christianity." Rob replies " I follow Jewish Bible The ahl/OT says that Israel was surrounded by other nations that worshiped other gods
You claim there was no separation – no division – all men were given the Torah and know YHWY
You say there is no such division between the 1% and the 99%
Dillon writes" Dave’s statement that Robert is outside of the Judeo Christian norm is truthful. Rob replies" I disagree Dillon. I am more a Jew than you claim. I keep Sabbath, do not cook food on Sabbath, we do charity, and pay tithe, and do not eat meat that dies of itself. I do not wear cotton and plastic materials together. SOme of the many rules in the torah we follow. I would also like to keep the feasts, but the SDA does not at large keep them. Religious rituals from a cultish group that has NEVER been considered mainstreamDave is the odd religion out, because I have never heard of Gnostic religion before. Correct – you ever heard of Jewish demonology before – because your education about the basic foundation of Judeo-Christianity is incomplete.---------------------------- Dave asks " you say FAITH = salvation – but you profess FAITH in a different religion than Judeo-Christianity" Rob replies" I have listened to Faith videos by Jews and they term emanuh as "trust" ? What does this mean to a Jew? A Jew will tell you their faith is specifically in YHWY – but you claim Judaism was wrong Jesus Christ said – He did not come to change a single thing – you claim you have the authority to rewrite scripture Dave writes "When you deny Jesus Christ " Rob replies" I do not deny Jesus Christ. Jesus is fully divine, Then stop posting absolute nonsense and treat scripture with respectDave writes confusion again " Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not something you can learn your way into with your own mind Especially when you deny the spirit – and Rewrite the words to do religious rituals" Rob replies" DO you care to unpack your word salad, your words make no sense? Please explain. D"Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not something you can learn your way into with your own mind R" That's funny Here we reason with GOD, baptism is just our signing of this agreement. Care to explain your words? Act 1:4 … wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. WHY DO YOU DENY THE NEW TESTAMENT
WHY DO YOU DENY THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST
WHY DO YOU TEACH SCRIPTURE MAKES NO SENSE? Since when is doing faith every day a religious ritual?Rob replies" I disagree Dillon. I am more a Jew than you claim. I keep Sabbath, do not cook food on Sabbath, we do charity, and pay tithe, and do not eat meat that dies of itself. I do not wear cotton and plastic materials together. SOme of the many rules in the torah we follow. |
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D" Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew?
R" As far as I am aware, the Rabbi does not make this context of the spirit part of the context of commenting upon the fact you learnt your Uncles are not always looking to support you properly.
D"Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian
R" I don't know, however the idea of a spirit living outside of its biological body is false.
D"Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist?
R" Such a question is written to stir arrogance and pride, and unless you make a specific question, I choose not to answer some as broad a question as this?
Scripture says judge not lest ye be judged, so one is allowed to live one's religion, and I do not condemn you for living your religion. I only seek to learn what the Scripture says, and is say very plainly that spirits cannot leave their mortal biological bodies.
D"Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = TRINITY of ONE GOD – NOT a family of multiple individuals
R" That is your opinion. (You failed to mean "trinity of ONE Father, your idea is the Father and Son and HS are all expressions of the Father)
However it not the SDA opinion.
We have several verses to back up on claims. And I also showed you a statement presented by a Jewish professor in my last post, that elohiym is like a "dual godhead" with a real "Father and Son", so this statement directly opposes your view.
Last time I learned English, a Father and a Son belong to a Family.
If you wish to disagree with this Jewish Professor, that is your business.
D"The Gnostic Archon are King Solomon’s shedim
The Gnostic Archon is Jewish demonology
R" You place these in in a feeble attempt to prove "archons" are a part of Jewish religion. They are not. Show me a NON-Hellenized Jew who views the term "archon" as some "shedim". I am not even aware the Jews consider the term "archon", even Icke does not ever speak the word "archon", it is a term purely used by Dave, and you have no other scholars agreeing with you.
D"the cosmic battle between Jesus Christ and Satan,
R" Yes, correct, but my point to DIllon is these words are not "two gods locked in combat"
It's more a battle of GOD fighting over a cherub who chooses to sin. Such a creature is termed a false elohiym power, (see Exodus 20:2) yes, because according to Jeff Benner any creature that knows good and evil is termed "elohiym".
D"Where is your empirical evidence ?
R" If man is capable of feeble GMO how much more can the devil do mischief?
Try applying logic to your thinking, there are no direct statements.
Mt 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.
Here is a clue, that GOD has enemies that make changes to the balance of creation.
D"You claim there was no separation – no division – all men were given the Torah and know YHWH
R" Certainly the Jews are a chosen people with a chosen message to share to the world. I do not take this away. But so was Noah a witness to the Chinese. God has always had messengers carrying his truth all over the world, is my point.
I do not like your idea that God as a God of love refuses to seek the lost, and the 99% of people were not witnessed to.
D"Is Adventism a Cult? -
R" Define the term cult?
Also answer this question? Why do not bag my world wide religion?
The SDA people are witnessing in more countries (except Catholics) than more major religions?
How much is Gnostic church doing world wide? DO you attend such a church even?
D"Religious rituals from a cultish group that has NEVER been considered mainstream
R" List main stream religious rituals Dave, for me to see.
D"Correct – you ever heard of Jewish demonology before
R" Where is Gnostic churches world wide? How many people do you have? Where are the doctrines listed and supported by Scripture?
D"A Jew will tell you their faith is specifically in YHWY – but you claim Judaism was wrong
Jesus Christ said – He did not come to change a single thing – you claim you have the authority to rewrite scripture
R" How are these pithy statements comments upon "faith" ? You have not really said anything, I can comment on.
D"Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
R" And what does this verse describe for you Dave? DO you follow Pentecostal church ideas?
You posted this verse, now what does it mean to Dave, because you failed to add your discussion?
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Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2022 5:12:50 GMT -5
D"Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Christian R" I don't know, however the idea of a spirit living outside of its biological body is false. 100% satanic message – biology is the import part of living – flesh and world D" Does Rabbi Friedman make an outrageous claim – if you are a spirit believing Jew? R" As far as I am aware, the Rabbi does not make this context of the spirit part of the context of commenting upon the fact you learnt your Uncles are not always looking to support you properly. ANSWER ALL THE QUESTION
Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
Hitler and his holocaust – rapped, plundered, and murdered
Putin is rapping, plundering, and murdering as we speak
Which man can change your salvation by the Lord?D"Why does Rabbi Friedman understand Christianity better than the average Seventh day Adventist? R" Such a question is written to stir arrogance and pride, and unless you make a specific question, I choose not to answer some as broad a question as this? CORRECT – you choose not to answer – the hallmark of a two way discussionREPHRASE – why do you and the SDA deny Mat 10:28
You teach the only important thing is the body – flesh - worldScripture says judge not lest ye be judged, Except for people who have experience the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – you claim it is satanicD"Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = TRINITY of ONE GOD – NOT a family of multiple individuals R" That is your opinion. (You failed to mean "trinity of ONE Father, your idea is the Father and Son and HS are all expressions of the Father) You also agree – but refuse to admit itExo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. God’s face – that no man can see
God Glory / Holy Spirit – that man can experience
The image of God – Christ
Please explain how you get a family of three different individual gods from this passage--------------- D"The Gnostic Archon are King Solomon’s shedim The Gnostic Archon is Jewish demonology R" You place these in in a feeble attempt to prove "archons" are a part of Jewish religion. They are not. Show me a NON-Hellenized Jew who views the term "archon" as some "shedim". I am not even aware the Jews consider the term "archon", even Icke does not ever speak the word "archon", it is a term purely used by Dave, and you have no other scholars agreeing with you. All you can do is argue words
Beelzebul and the shedim ARE - 100% Jewish demonologyjewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13523-demonology -- redirected to -- jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13523-shedimSystematic knowledge concerning demons or evil spirits. Demons (Greek, δαίμονες or δαιμόνια; Hebrew, [Deut. xxxii. 17; Ps. cvi. 37] and [Lev. xvii. 7; II Chron. xi. 15; A. V. "devils"; … Aramaic, or rabbinical, and as spirits animating all elements of life and inhabiting all parts of the world, have their place in the primitive belief of all tribes and races. Aramaic / Chaldean in origin ARE in all elements of the WORLD ARE the gods and spirits of the 99% When certain deities rose to be the objects of regular worship and became the rulers of the powers of life, demons, or spirits, were subordinated to them. But inasmuch as they were still feared and occasionally worshiped by the populace, they became the objects of popular superstition. They are NOT gods – but in the absence of YWHY – some became worshiped by man They are NOT gods – but man gave them the power (Caesar) Jewish demonology can at no time be viewed as the outcome of an antecedent Hebrew belief. While the nomadic Hebrews had much in common with the Arabian Bedouins in their belief in spirits … Canaanite practise and belief were greatly influenced by ancient Chaldea, whose demonologyis in the main pre-Semitic … In Babylonia the Jews came under the influence of both the Chaldean and the Persian belief in good and in evil spirits, and this dualistic system became a dominant factor of Jewish demonology and Angelology. In Europe, Teutonic, Celtic, and Slavonic demonology in the form of superstition permeated Jewish practise and belief.
CORRECT – Jewish demonology is NOT spelled out within the Torah – only referenced The ahl/OT tells us that the 33 other gods of the Levant ARE scriptural Chaldean / Arabic shedim / Jinn were alive and well all through the ahl/OT Validated by the ahl/OT Validated by Jesus Christ Himself - Mark 3:22, Luke 11:18-19, Matthew 12:24–27, The demons mentioned in the Bible are of two classes, the "se'irim" and the "shedim." The se'irim ("hairy beings"), to which the Israelites sacrificed in the open fields (Lev. xvii. 7; A. V. "devils"; R. V., incorrectly, "he-goats"), are satyr-like demons, described as dancing in the wilderness (Isa. xiii. 21, xxxiv. 14; compare Maimonides, "Moreh," iii. 46; Vergil's "Eclogues," v. 73, "saltantes satyri"), and are identical with the jinn of the Arabian woods and deserts (see Wellhausen, l.c., and Smith, l.c.). To the same class belongs Azazel, the goat-like demon of the wilderness (Lev. xvi. 10 et seq.), probably the chief of the se'irim, and Lilith (Isa. xxxiv. 14).are identical with the jinn of the Arabian woods and deserts the same class belongs Azazel The Israelites also offered sacrifices to the shedim (Deut. xxxii. 17; Ps. cvi. 37). The name (believed by Hoffmann, "Hiob," 1891, to occur in Job v. 21), for a long time erroneously connected with "the Almighty" (), denotes a storm-demon (from , Isa. xiii. 6; A. V. "destruction"; compare Psxci. 6, , "that stormeth about"; A. V. "that wasteth"). In Chaldean mythology the seven evil deities were known as "shedim," storm-demons, represented in ox-like form; and because these oxcolossi representing evil demons were, by a peculiar law of contrast, used also as protective genii of royal palaces and the like, the name "shed" assumed also the meaning of a propitious genius in Babylonian magic literature
Storm gods of Assyria Geni – wish granting (yester ra) fulfillers Magic / witchcraft of the 99% D"The Gnostic Archon are King Solomon’s shedim The Gnostic Archon is Jewish demonology R" You place these in in a feeble attempt to prove "archons" are a part of Jewish religion.
You want to hide behind words so you do not have to admit reality
Eph 6: 12 – ARCHON – our real struggle - and they come in many forms – many spirits in all elements of life and inhabiting all parts of the world,-------------- D"the cosmic battle between Jesus Christ and Satan, R" Yes, correct, but my point to DIllon is these words are not "two gods locked in combat" The implication that your cosmic struggle is ongoing – long lasting suggest otherwiseOmnipotent Creator verse anyone and anything is NO CONTEST An ongoing cosmic struggle that your god is not able to overcome DIMINISHES THE CREATOR An ongoing cosmic struggle that your god is not able to overcome EMPOWERS/ELEVATES YOUR SATAN -------------- D"Where is your empirical evidence ? R" If man is capable of feeble GMO how much more can the devil do mischief? I did not ask for your assumption - where is your museum of evidence---------------------- D"You claim there was no separation – no division – all men were given the Torah and know YHWH R" Certainly the Jews are a chosen people with a chosen message to share to the world. I do not take this away. But so was Noah a witness to the Chinese. God has always had messengers carrying his truth all over the world, is my point. I do not like your idea that God as a God of love refuses to seek the lost, and the 99% of people were not witnessed to. Don’t care if you like the reality of history and scripture
Answer – why did your Feel Good God of Love leave the 99% in ignorance
Or – why didn’t your Feel Good God of Love walk with them for 40 years in their wildernesses-------------------- D"Is Adventism a Cult? - R" Define the term cult? A charismatic personality becomes the focus of the religionThe Second Great Awakening Joseph Smith rewrote the scriptures Charles Russell reworet the scriotures Miller / Ellen White rewrote the scriptures Also answer this question? Why do not bag my world wide religion?
You preach against basic Christian principles – you worship a different set of gods and worship the bodyThe SDA people are witnessing in more countries (except Catholics) than more major religions? Your satan has more numbers and is doing a btter job – does that make him correct?How much is Gnostic church doing world wide? DO you attend such a church even? Gnosticism is an open mind – reality + Rom 1:19 + Psa 12:2 + history + current events + the pagan reality + the spiritual reality + the Omega Conspiracy + JESUS CHRIST D"Correct – you ever heard of Jewish demonology before R" Where is Gnostic churches world wide? I say A – you respond with B – is a childish act – what purpose - what is your point other than you are frustrated Where are the doctrines listed and supported by Scripture?They begin in the agl/OT and continue into the agl/NT The only addition the Gnostic Gospels ADD= the creation story of the Beast The idea of the Left Hand had always been a Jewish teach of mystery and correction D"A Jew will tell you their faith is specifically in YHWY – but you claim Judaism was wrong Jesus Christ said – He did not come to change a single thing – you claim you have the authority to rewrite scripture R" How are these pithy statements comments upon "faith" ? You have not really said anything, I can comment on. Mormons have faith Muslims have faith Pagans have faith And you say all that matters is faith
YET – you and I have faith in different thingsI have faith in a One True God – you doubt how one god can be enough I have faith in my salvation – you worry you can lose yours I have faith in the promise – you doubt the promise I have faith is a real and viable after life – you absolutely deny the spirit I have faith in my eternal life – you say life starts then stops – then starts and stops - nothing eternal I have faith in the spiritual reality all around me – you deny the spirit I have faith that the archon are in my face regardless of where I look – you want to deny them altogether --------------------------- D"Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. R" And what does this verse describe for you Dave? DO you follow Pentecostal church ideas? ABSOLUTELY – all of the original Christians were Pentecostal – DUHYou posted this verse, now what does it mean to Dave, because you failed to add your discussion?All ancient Jews were Pentecostal – just more difficult to attain – those who did were called prophets1 Samuel 19:19-24 It was told Saul, saying, “Behold, David is at Naioth in Ramah.” Then Saul sent messengers to take David, but when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing and presiding over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul; and they also prophesied. When it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they also prophesied. Question – IS THE OLD TESTAMENT REAL OR NOT?Why is the Holy spirit coming upon prophets in the ahl real But the Holy Spirit coming upon Christians is satanic in your viewprophecytoday.uk/study/teaching-articles/item/279-ministry-of-the-prophet-schools-of-the-prophets.htmlThe 'Sons of the Prophets' and the Spirit The Spirit had come upon individuals such as Othniel, Gideon, Jephthah and Samson (Jud 3:10, 6:34, 11:29 and 13:25), but it was at the schools of the prophets that the first corporate stirrings of the Spirit came down upon the seventy elders during the time of Moses (Num 11:24-29). Why were there SCHOOLS – student that clung to the prophets trying to learn Gnostic Christianity = Jewish theology + Jewish demonology + the Messiah + the Gospel = Messianic Judaism or the Original Christianity – the CONTEXT of Jesus Christ |
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D"REPHRASE – why do you and the SDA deny Mat 10:28
Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
R" First part refers to torturing the body until the body dies, taking the mind into death as well. One can touch the body but cannot touch the mind, the nephesh is the totality of living, and cannot be tortured to death.
There are many in flames dying singing praise to God, many CHristians eaten by lions with love in their minds.
The second part refers to the GOD of heaven who can destroy both body and nepesh in
( De 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.)
a place on earth somewhere called shoawl. Also used for grave, where the dead sleep. God is the controller of both nepesh and basar, so your living is in His hands. Humans can also destroy the body and cannot destroy the nepesh unless God chooses to do so.
We do not see this as evidence of a nephesh separate from its body, the verses is explaining to Jews who have different opinions (Hellenized perhaps) so the verse reaches their understanding.
D"Please explain how you get a family of three different individual gods from this passage
R" Really Dave, how is your heart made of different individual cells? They choose to function as one cell together.
Jesus said my Father and I are one (echad) . When you marry your partner, you and she are one (echad) not two individual persons. Stop twisting Scripture.
Scripture even says her body is his body and his body is her body. They are one body in marriage.
Only their personalities of loving make them different. One love provides and the love responds.
Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
R"Please explain how you one god from this passage?
Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
R"Please explain how you one god from this passage?
Eph 3:14 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
R"Please explain how you one god from this passage?
I can, the three members are ONE GOD-HEAD from ONE Family who is eternally uncaused. Hence one GOD.
D" All you can do is argue words
Beelzebul and the shedim ARE - 100% Jewish demonology
R" you did not answer my question
Show me a NON-Hellenized Jew who views the term "archon" as some "shedim". I am not even aware the Jews consider the term "archon", even Icke does not ever speak the word "archon", it is a term purely used by Dave, and you have no other scholars agreeing with you.
You posted a big pile of purple source references, all nice, but not a single quote of SHEDIM mentioned as ARCHONS.
Try again Dave, and this time prove that the Jews do uphold the Archons as shedim.
D"You want to hide behind words so you do not have to admit reality
R" No Dave, the SHedim is a term for drinking milk that is bad, G32 bad messages, from sinning cherubims.
D"The implication that your cosmic struggle is ongoing – long lasting suggest otherwise
R" Yes because "sin shall never arise a second time"
D"An ongoing cosmic struggle that your god is not able to overcome DIMINISHES THE CREATOR
R" Maybe for a little while, a 1000 years is like a day to GOD, he is patient for cherubims to see what sinning does.
All cherubims, both good and bad, see sinning right to the end, hence why God created humans to feel the affects of sinnings. and witness against sinning.
D"I did not ask for your assumption - where is your museum of evidence
R" I gave you a verse, the enemy sowed weeds, is this not enough for you? How much proof do you need?
Must you over look one verse? One verse is enough.
Ezek 28 is another one verse you overlook.
D"Or – why didn’t your Feel Good God of Love walk with them for 40 years in their wildernesses
R" They were stiff necked, full of sinnings.
D"A charismatic personality becomes the focus of the religion
R" How is this not defining Jesus?
D"Ellen White rewrote the scriptures
R" Ellen White never makes this claim. You are wrong.
The SDA church does not worship Ellen White either.
D"You preach against basic Christian principles – you worship a different set of gods and worship the body
R" You present Gnostic religion, which Paul told us to avoid, and no major religion supports Gnostic writings.
D"Gnosticism is an open mind – reality + Rom 1:19 + Psa 12:2 + history + current events + the pagan reality + the spiritual reality + the Omega Conspiracy + JESUS CHRIST
R" Yes correct Gnostic is the Omega Conspiracy and Paul warned us of the Alpha Conspiracy in Timothy 6.
You have become trapped in deception.
D"I have faith that the archon are in my face regardless of where I look – you want to deny them altogether
R" All the sentences you wrote are "belief" terms.
Faith is not a "belief" term, Jews make the term "trust" which is a little better. So your word game is wrong.
But I agree today faith has become a belief term because no body on earth understands faith, and Jesus says when He comes will I find faith on the earth, so faith is a rare thing in humans.
D"ABSOLUTELY – all of the original Christians were Pentecostal – DUH
R"
Ac 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
So explain how this is different to glossalia ? gibberish?
Modern speaking in tongues is glossalia .... false speaking not known languages.
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Post by Dave on Oct 5, 2022 3:36:12 GMT -5
D"REPHRASE – why do you and the SDA deny Mat 10:28 Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. R" First part refers to torturing the body until the body dies, taking the mind into death as well. One can touch the body but cannot touch the mind, the nephesh is the totality of living, and cannot be tortured to death. Correct - the nephesh is the totality of living, and cannot be tortured to death by manSo why do you deny Rabbi Friedman’s comments
You offered these comments to prove him in error – he was sued over these words ------------- D"Please explain how you get a family of three different individual gods from this passage R" Really Dave, how is your heart made of different individual cells? They choose to function as one cell together. Ex 33 = one body – face, spirit, imageJesus said my Father and I are one (echad) Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Jesus Christ = God incarnateGen 1:1 God is the Creator John 1:1-3 Christ is the Creator John 1:10 Christ is the Creator 1 Cor 8:6 Christ is the Creator Col 1:15 Christ is the image of God Col 1:16 Christ is the Creator Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: 1Ki 8:60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else. Christ = the Creator
Jesus Christ = God incarnateGe 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. R"Please explain how you one god from this passage? One spirit – male is the Right hand – female is the Left handLu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. R"Please explain how you one god from this passage? God is the father of Jesus – Son of man – Not Joseph
Jesus + Christ = God incarnateEph 3:14 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; R"Please explain how you one god from this passage? God is the father of Jesus – Sone of man – Not Joseph
Jesus + Christ = God incarnate---------------- D" All you can do is argue words Beelzebul and the shedim ARE - 100% Jewish demonology R" you did not answer my question Show me a NON-Hellenized Jew who views the term "archon" as some "shedim". Why would someone from Australia speak FrenchIn Hebrew they are called shedim In Islam they are called Jinn In Japan they are called Shades Enoch called them WatchersIn many pagan cultures they are known as the Serpent Race In Greek they are called archon – even within the New TestamentIn Christianity they are called demons / devils / and satanas kidadl.com/baby-names/inspiration/demon-names-from-theology-mythology-and-fiction100+ Demon Names From Theology, Mythology, D" All you can do is argue words------------------------ D"You want to hide behind words so you do not have to admit reality I am not even aware the Jews consider the term "archon", even Icke does not ever speak the word "archon", it is a term purely used by Dave, and you have no other scholars agreeing with you. L.A. Marzulli – 7 Book and a 10 part video series on the Watchers
Archon Invasion: The Rise, Fall and Return of the Nephilimwww.amazon.com › Archon-Invasion-Rise-Retur... Rob Skiba is the co-founder of King's Gate Media, serving as its Chief Operations Officer www.imdb.com › title Archon Invasion: And the Return of the Nephilim (Part 1): Directed by Rob Skiba. With Rob Skiba. This video describes the rise, fall and return of the ... www.imdb.com › title Archon Invasion: And the Return of the Nephilim (Part 2): Directed by Rob Skiba. With Rob Skiba. This video discusses the potential return of the Nephilim ... Giants, Fallen Angels, and the Return of the Nephilim: Ancient ... www.amazon.com › Giants-Fallen-Angels-Retur... Giants, Fallen Angels, and the Return of the Nephilim: Ancient Secrets to Prepare for the Coming Days [Lindsay, Dennis] on Amazon.com. Return of the Nephilim - Koinonia House Storestore.khouse.org › products › return-of-the-neph... What's behind the UFO's? Where are they from? Are they the Nephilim of ages past? What does the Bible say about them? What's their agenda for Planet Earth? D"An ongoing cosmic struggle that your god is not able to overcome DIMINISHES THE CREATOR R" Maybe for a little while NOT FOR ONE SECOND - OMNIPOTENTD"I did not ask for your assumption - where is your museum of evidence R" I gave you a verse, the enemy sowed weeds, is this not enough for you? How much proof do you need? Must you over look one verse? One verse is enough. How does this prove that nothing ever died until Eve sinned
Where is your empirical evidence that contradicts the museums’ of evidence
D"Or – why didn’t your Feel Good God of Love walk with them for 40 years in their wildernesses R" They were stiff necked, full of sinnings. So were Israel – many times – you even say so
So answer the question – why did God set up the conflict between the 1% and the 99%D"A charismatic personality becomes the focus of the religion D"Ellen White rewrote the scriptures R" Ellen White never makes this claim. You are wrong.You offer Ellen White as proof that changed scripture
You offer Ellen Whites wrtings to contradict scripture
Ellen White colors the way you read scriptureD"You preach against basic Christian principles – you worship a different set of gods and worship the body R" You present Gnostic religion, which Paul told us to avoid, and no major religion supports Gnostic writings. Sure Robert – Paul told us to avoid – Luke, James, John, Paul Himself, Peter, Phillip, and ThomasD"Gnosticism is an open mind – reality + Rom 1:19 + Psa 12:2 + history + current events + the pagan reality + the spiritual reality + the Omega Conspiracy + JESUS CHRIST R" Yes correct Gnostic is the Omega Conspiracy and Paul warned us of the Alpha Conspiracy YES – all real – all relevant –
Things only happened one way – God’s way
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Greetings Dave It's 3:30 am, I can't sleep and so I write God's words to you, as I ask in faith, "your words, not my words be written O lord". Jer 42:4 and Isa 41:26 , as well as Nu 12:6 , De 4:10 ; Pr 1:23 , Pr 4:20 , Isa 51:16 , Mr 8:38 , Lu 1:20, Joh 5:47 . Dave, you quote this verse " Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." but do not understand it's meaning, concerning "echad". The Father works in Jesus, because Jesus uses the Father words by faith, and so it is the Father's flow of power that flows through Jesus. Jesus is demonstrating faith to humans, by doing the same thing Himself. This is what the verse is saying. Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? This verse says the same thing, if I translate pisteuo as amanuahJoh 5:47 But if ye amanuah not his writings, how shall ye amanuah my words? Faith is taking the words of God and allowing those words to empower you. You simply say them with humility and meekness, not doubting, not with presumption or arrogance or wilful sins in your life, and the power flow of those words come directly into you. This is how faith works. " Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." But you keeping on insisting that Jesus is a mere masculine expression of the Father. I gave you a Jewish professor who wrote of the "dual godhead, where Scripture tells us of a real Father and a real Son" but you choose to ignore this Jewish professor. A dual godhead, is not a god expression, so your premise is wrong. -------------- Dave posts " God is the father of Jesus – Son of man – Not Joseph
Rob replies" Dave according to your theory the Father is Jesus, it is just an expression of the Father, hence you are totally wrong to write that the Father is a father to the Father expression. Why do you twist your views to fit Scripture when it doesn't fit? But in my view a family divine picture, it is easy to view the simile of born, and a real Father and a real Mother come over their real Son to "born" humanity into him, is what Luke 1 :35 says. Yes Joseph was not Jesus biological father of humanity. God supplied that Himself. Mary only supplied the egg for humanity, and was a surrogate in the overall process. ---------- D" In Hebrew they are called shedim
In Islam they are called Jinn
In Japan they are called Shades
Enoch called them Watchers
In many pagan cultures they are known as the Serpent Race
In Greek they are called archon – even within the New TestamentR" What a cop out. There is not a single text where shedim is termed archon Dave. It's entirely made up by you. Hebrew Shadim is known in Greek as Daimonia, or in Islam they are called Jinn, www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/eng/tje/s/shedim.htmlAnd in Hebrew, shedim is termed demon, devil, but never archon in Greek.
These demons were supposed to enter the body and cause the disease while overwhelming ("kefa'o shed," R. H. 28a; Sifre, Debarim, 318) or "seizing" the victim ("aḥazo," Shab. 151b; Yoma 83a, 84a); hence the usual name for "epileptic" is "nikpeh" (Bek. 44b; Yeb. 64b: Ket. 60b; Pes. 112b). The Greek word is δαιμονίζεσΘαι, meaning the condition of being in the power of a demon. To cure such diseases it was necessary to draw out the evil demons by certain incantations and tailsmanic performances, in which the Essenes excelled. Josephus, who speaks of demons as "spirits of the wicked which enter into men that are alive and kill them," but which can be driven out by a certain root ("B. J." 7:6, § 3), witnessed such a performance in the presence of the emperor Vespasian ("Ant." 8:2, § 5), and ascribed its origin to King Solomon.
Some stuff is weird to read The speculation regarding the nature and origin of these demons and their leaders led as early as the second pre-Christian century, in those fragments preserved under the name of the Book of Enoch, to the story of the fall of the angels (Enoch, -; ). Like Beelzebub, or Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12; compare Slavonic Enoch, 29:4), two hundred 'Irin or "watchers" fell, attracted by the beauty of the daughters of men (Genesis 6:4); only tradition obviously differed as to the leader of the rebellious host, whether it was Azazel or Shamḥazai. At any rate, they acknowledged the supremacy of Satan (53:3, 54:6), though occasionally many satans are mentioned ( 7 et al.), and these fallen angels became "the evil spirits" (15:8, 19:19) who taught mankind all the arts of deception, witchcraft, and sin (-, ). But their children, the offspring of this mixture of an earthly and a celestial race, became, when slain, the hybrid race of disembodiedspirits or demons doing the work of destruction until the Day of Judgment (16:1). Now just to be sure, not a single reference to "Archons" exist in this website webpage. So in the New Testament, they are not called archon, they are called "demons or devils". It is up to you to prove that Jews even acknowledge the term "archons" as a term for shedim, because I have found this to be not so. Assuming I support this stuff on shedim, which I don't. Shedim is a term to describe the false milk from sinning angels. The term archon refers to first in rank, first in power or first in time, and does not refer to creatures as a creature kind. " arche" can refer to humans, and angels for example. So cannot refer to some bunch of yester RA creatures as your claim. ----------- D"D" All you can do is argue wordsR" What? you can't even prove the stuff you support. You post books on Nephilim. You post references to Chuck Missler. Show me a video where Chuck uses the word "Archon" and you might have some proof. I have watched many of Missler videos Dave, not a single mention of the word "Archons". ------------ I have some great news, David Icke does support Dave. I just found this video. youtu.be/_dSr5H0mFo4The archons by David Icke
1:19 "some people call archons"
"serpent gods"
snake brother
star people
demons of CHristians
To Gnostics they are archons
to Islam, they are Jinn
described so much in the same way.
Pre CHrist they say are made from fire.
Nag hammadi is a great find.
They tell the beloefs of Gnostics. Why Romans tried to destroy them.
They run Alexandra library.
Rome wanted them destroyed because they had the truth. 4:34
A force called the archons.
archon means prince.
Lord archon, a fake god that created our world They say they created in-organic parts.
They envied humans.
Archons cannot create something from blank paper, but can twist words if written
They are mind parasites.
Deceivers.
Classic Satan is a archon deceiver 7:31
I will stop on 7 minutes. Icke is supporting your theory Dave. Well at least you have one supporter. Does not make it right, but at least Icke agrees with you. ------------ D" NOT FOR ONE SECOND - OMNIPOTENTR" Really Dave, explain to me how you can make an umbra shadow than under super dazzling flood lamp, say 10,000 Watts of light. Not possible. Yet such shadows exist on earth DUH. Maybe possible if you 1Km from the flood lamp, but not within a 100 metres. Too bright. Isa 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. Why isn't our sun sevenfold brighter ? Maybe God curses His own flow of powers over Creation because of sin. DUH Is this another verse you don't understand, when God cursed the ground when Adam sinned? ------------ D" How does this prove that nothing ever died until Eve sinnedR" God is a GOD of the living, not the dead, with GOD nothing ever dies, not even leaves, or flowers or anything. God is a source of living. This makes no sense to you, or me sometimes, because we live in a world of curses by God, since SIN. D" Where is your empirical evidence that contradicts the museums’ of evidenceR" All this evidence came from Noah flood, not after Creation and before the flood. D" So answer the question – why did God set up the conflict between the 1% and the 99%R" What conflict? We have evidence Solomon sailed to USA in his day, and Africa too. So the witness went everywhere by the Hebrews. How much of GOD do you need to be saved? Ye are judged by the light you know. I suspect the entire world knew of GOD, notice the legends in the flood account for one evidence. D" Ellen White colors the way you read scriptureR" Yes, she is a Hebrew English translator, that is what a prophet does. A prophet does not contradict what is written before by other prophets. I have studied her use of English words against Jeff's use of English meaning over Hebrew words, and of the 30+ words I have studied she agrees 100%. I could examine Gnostic writings the same way too,, but they are not electronic enough to search for words. You already agree GNostic writings are confusing, some OK some not. With Mrs White messages they are all inspired, 100% OK, the ones you can test that is. Not all words a prophet may write is testable because we cannot test them. I gave you a link to my studies: spiritualsprings.org/ss-1061.htmD "YES – all real – all relevant – R" If Gnostic writings are true, where us the account of the "Archons" in even the Gnostic writings? DO they at least speak of "archons"? Does any scholar speak of "Archons" as "shedim"? Come on Dave, show me a video or a webpage where somebody writes of "archons" as "shedim"? That might be a start to giving yourself some evidence. D" Islam trust in Allah – does this make Islam correct?R" True, the humans have faith in Satan too, does not make Satan true. The word "faith" simply means the "flow of power from somebody elses words" like Harry Potter, but that does not make Faith magic. God is not interested in arrogant, proud and sinful humans using His words by faith. God is personally and He only listens to the humble, meek and contrite of heart. Shalom --------------------------------------------------------- PS I also found this video by a Gnostic supporter, from Library of Gnosis youtu.be/XeNiMDPAYoI"demons" by an author who is Gnostic What are the Archons? Our hidden rulers.
Called archons, which means rulers
traps souls leaving material world
devil on your shoulder, a parasite, fears off fear, jealousy.
archons are near disconnected, being based on software, cannot create new things, only can change existing material.
Psychopaths
more evil than any human alive.
Archon can copy feelings
Like a virus. Like a machine.
They invade our mental space. The devil made me do it.
Telepathic, so plant thought into humans.
Serial killers hear voices, urging them to hurt others.
I was more like a robot than a human.
Aeon Byte, Gnostic Radio.
Like the Devil, the Lord of lies.
Also attack humans, nightmares.
Psychopath centre of USA, Washington DC.
Like an aborted fetus, objective to keep humans ignorant.
Prevent humans reaching gnosis, divine relatity
Keep humans in low form of thinking, fear, control, prisoner of dungeon
Do you own research on this subject. Rob" This Gnostic supporter has different views to Dave. There is no doubt such material exists. But is it true? I find the archons are just sinning angels trying to stop humans seeking salvation, by helping humans to sin, like the sinning angels sin. I get my evidence from Scripture directly. Not Gnostic sources. |
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