Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2022 18:48:04 GMT -5
Explain to me why sinning is not an action that opposes GOD directly?
The short answer – who can oppose God – NO ONE
The long answer – I grew up Presbyterian – it was my family – my culture – it was the theology I grew up within. I admit it. AND just like you – I knew of Fallen Angels long before I ever read a single word of scripture. It was a Roman Christendom culture.
The hand of God in my life – 1972 I attended a private boarding school just north of Boston (1) it taught me how to think academically (I attended a ‘church’ gathering who called themselves “Plymouth Brethren”) – I was so involved - I was spoiled
1- no official leader – anyone could lead – because we all have something to say
2- It was a very ACADEMIC – more than one PhD in the group – a defrocked Catholic Priest – my Physics teacher was there and how I found the group
3- Sermons / messages always came first – we gathered – sat down, sang a few songs to get everyone relaxed → then sermon / presentation / lecture
4- another song or two to fill the time
5- Then a break – pot luck coffee and cake – whatever
6- After the break – discussion time – we all discussed the earlier presentation that day
If you gave the sermon – at discussion we could ask you questions about your lecture / presentation
Sometimes the discussion lasted 1 hr – sometimes it lasted all day
This was Northside Boston / Harvard / Cambridge / Andover area
No one in the group needed money and a lot of them were involved in higher education
The quality and depth of conversation DAZZELED ME – I have always re-sought the experience
2002 I worked with Linda – and as we talked she would say – you need to meet my husband – he leads a Bible study group – so I went to one. Rich and I have been friends ever since. He is a Quaker / Friends. They never study and praise in the same meeting – and they never separate the children from the adults. Rich says – how can you praise with all your heart if Sunday School put some questions in your head. - Too bad that we live 160 miles apart (250Km)
Around 2000 I had this idea that I was going to learn Hebrew – the local seminary needed $$$$$
Online tutorials led me to Hebrew Institute Jerusalem → Free pre-recorded Hebrew grammar classes online - All I learned about Hebrew is that it obey the same translation rules as Greek or Latin and the verbs are just as complicated as Greek.
Instead – I watched all the Kabbalah classes – of special interest was their discussion of Michael Weinstein (today’s Einstein) - the correlation between String Theory and the Kabbalah is too close to be an accident. These ancient Rabbis knew and understood the depth about our reality long before science did.
The biggest revelation that I learned about the Jew and their theology was that my perception of them was INCOMPLETE
Jesus Christ was a Temple teaching JEW – who came to fulfill the Torah
To my surprise – Kabbalistic Jews are MORE Christian than many Christians I know
Mat 22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that Yeshua had silenced the Sadducees, gathered together in one place.
Mat 22:35 And testing Him, one of them, a lawyer, asked,
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Torah?”
Mat 22:37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mat 22:40 The entire Torah and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Is this how you understand pre-Christian Judaism?
How does a Jew far from the Temple sacrifice – Quorbots (community service – act like a Christian)
What is the GOAL of Judaism – a close personal relationship with God
40 years in the Wilderness LEAD BY THE SPIRIT
The GOAL has always been to walk with God as Abraham. Isaac, and Jacob – as Nathan, as Elijah, as Elisha, as Isaiah, as Ezekiel, as Mica, as , as, as , as ,a s – Just how many Jews of the ahl walk and talked with God → MANY – DANIEL - all thought the ages → and these men led
Jesus Christ came – and left us with the Promise of the Comforter and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost is a JEWISH HOLIDAY! → and these New Pentecostal Messianic Jews – were sent out to WITNESS and lead.
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From my own witness – I am a spirit believer – I believe in spirits
“Just outside our field of vision are entities – that are anything but human – that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons”- David Ike
YES – I AM AN ABSOLUTE BELIEVER
All through history – no matter where or when you look all cultures have had a spirit reality – that manipulated this world from the outside
All through History – no matter when or where you look all cultures have some form of space/alien – ancient astronaut – UFO / Alien reality – that manipulated this world from the outside.
All through history – wherever you look there is a reference to the serpent – serpent gods – reptilians
All through the ahl/OT – they were describes as – ‘other gods’ – shedim – beelzebul was just one of those ‘other gods’ of the Philistines (Gaza Strip)
At the time of Jesus Christ – Jewish demonology was full developed and common knowledge
Validated by Jesus Christ – Mat 10:25, Mark 3:22, Luke 11:15-19
CONTEXT of the New Testament Gospel = Jewish demonology = King Solomon / bellzebul / shedim / Lilith/ satyrs / Nephilim
NO EVER CONSIDERED CATHOLIC FALLEN ANGELS UNTIL ROME INVENTED IT
My challenge to you from the beginning – show me your scripture that your satan opposes God
You go so far as to ask - an actions that opposes GOD directly
So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD?
Line upon line, here and there, remember, how to read Scripture?And your answer is
Then – you changed your definitions and premise and presented the JUSTICICATION
Anyone opposing man – opposes God
But your justification fails because God opposes man – and sends both man and angel to oppose man
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Now you have changed your definitions yet again to
Explain to me why sinning is not an action that opposes GOD directly?
1- the only ‘sinning angels (messengers) in scripture are the bane elohiym of Gen 6 – and they are locked away in chains
YES – this group (yester ra) went form and multiplied
YES – once they put on biology – they (yester ra) went forth and multiplied – out of their kind
Even the Fossil Record (Rom 1:19) validate that at the time of the Flood – there may have been 6-8 different humanoid species – bottle necking into only the lineage of Adam / Noah after the flood
ALSO – do not forget the sinning against nature – they sinned against the birds and reptiles – and the beast – Chimaeras
SO YOUR FEEL GOOD GOD THAT MUST OBEY THE 10 COMMANDMENTS - said
Gen 6:7 So Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the face of the ground, from humankind to livestock, crawling things and the flying creatures of the sky, because I regret that I made them.”
Gen 6:8 But Noah found favor in Adonai’s eyes.
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Explain to me why sinning is not an action that opposes GOD directly?
Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!”
מות תמות׃ – Remember
Sin = one bite and you will die (biology) and in the future you will die (a second death)
Death of biology / flesh – not because anything changed – except the Tree of antidote was removed
+ Death of spirit – (which is not fully explained until Rev 20) – Lake of Fire
The curse / blessing of Gen 3
Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life.
The serpent was curse to the ground (earth) – to crawl in the mud – to eat dust (earth)
If the serpent was NOT a snake before – what was he?
Or is this just more casting the serpent into the ground (earth) physical creation – Rev 12:7
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
1- God did this – this is God’s Plan for man – God put this Contest in motion
2- This is a curse and a blessing
3- Phrases who read the Kabbalah already knew the blessing of salvation – but it was not explained until the Gospel of John
Christian rail about Isaiah 53 – they should read more Jewish Kabbalah
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
The First Book of Adam and Eve
CHAP. III. GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
7 But God had before that made this covenant with our father, Adam, in the same terms, ere he came out of the garden, when he was by the tree whereof Eve took the fruit and gave it him to eat.
Christian rail about Isaiah 53 – they should read more Jewish Kabbalah
The First Book of Adam and Eve
CHAP. XIV. THEN Adam said unto God: "O Lord, take Thou my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness."
2 But God the Lord said to Adam, "Verily I say unto thee, this darkness will pass from thee, every day I have determined for thee, until the fulfilment of My covenant; when I will save thee and bring thee back again into the garden, into the abode of light thou longest for, wherein is no darkness. I will bring thee, to it--in the kingdom of heaven."
3 Again said God unto Adam, "All this misery that thou hast been made to take upon thee because of thy transgression, will not free thee from the hand of Satan, and will not save thee.
4 "But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.
5 "And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save thee."
Christian rail about Isaiah 53 – they should read more Jewish Kabbalah
The First Book of Adam and Eve
CHAP. XXIV. THEN the merciful God, good 'and lover of men, looked upon Adam and Eve, and upon their blood, which they had held up as an offering unto Him; without an order from Him for so doing. But He wondered at them; and accepted their offerings.
2 And God sent from His presence a bright fire, that consumed their offering.
3 He smelt the sweet savour of their offering, and showed them mercy.
4 Then came the Word of God to Adam, and said unto him, "O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood, so will I shed My own blood when I become flesh of thy seed; and as thou didst die, O Adam, so also will I die. And as thou didst build an altar, so also will I make for thee an altar on the earth; and as thou didst offer thy blood upon it, so also will I offer My blood upon an altar on the earth.
5 "And as thou didst sue for forgiveness through that blood, so also will I make My blood forgiveness of sins, and blot out transgressions in it.
6 "And now, behold, I have accepted thy offering, O Adam, but the days of the covenant, wherein I have bound thee, are not fulfilled. When they are fulfilled, then will I bring thee back into the garden.
7 "Now, therefore, strengthen thy heart; and when sorrow comes upon thee, make Me an offering, and I will be favourable to thee."
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The curse / blessing of Gen 3
WORLD - Gen 3:16 To the woman He said, “I will greatly increase your pain from conception to labor. In pain will you give birth to children. Your desire will be toward your husband, yet he must rule over you.”
WORLD - Gen 3:17 Then to the man He said, “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate of the tree which I commanded you, saying, ‘You must not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground because of you—with pain will you eat of it all the days of your life.
WORLD - Gen 3:18 Thorns and thistles will sprout for you. You will eat the plants of the field,
WORLD - Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you eat food, until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken. For you are dust, and to dust will you return.”
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Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
The serpent’s seed and Eve’s seed
Two different biological groups on earth that have offspring
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
Rev 12:9 (THE BEAST) And the great dragon … that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satanas, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels (messengers / offspring / seed)
The Archon
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The KJV translators called them Principalities
Col 1:16 For by him (CHRIST) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Paul – the author of 85% of the New Testament called them our real struggle and they were made by Christ/God for God/Christ
Consistent with every other teaching – There is only One True God and no other – all thing were created by Him for Him
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
YOUR ARGUMENT that your satan forced you god to make the ra – or that your god had to make the ra in response to your satan
DENIES THE OMNIPOTENCE OF GOD – because your satan can force God to react
TEACHES that your satan can change / alter God’s original Plan against God’s Will
Absolute Nonsense
God is OMNISCIENT – He knows ALL – He knew Eve would sin – he knew Adam would sin – He knows you would sin – and why salvation through Christ was always the Plan from the beginning.
sin already existed, so took careful plans to design a creation that could exist sinlessly or with God's missing, in either case, as carefully controlled depending upon what Adam chooses. Got nothing to do with an opposing sinning angel.All God’s Plan – all God’s Will – thing only happened one way – God’s way
and it has nothing to do with your satan god of evil-----------------------------
written by Rabbi Daniel Boyarin, professor of Talmudic Culture at the University of California."
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You are not Jewish or following anything Messianic Jews support? Messianic Jews have a "godhead" concept of Elohiym. Like we SDA have, a godhead concept, based on a "Family" picture.
Answer this question poses by Jesus Christ
Mat 22:41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Yeshua asked them a question,
Mat 22:42 saying, “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose Son is He?” “David’s,” they say to Him.
Mat 22:43 “Then how is it,” He says to them, “that David by the Ruach calls him ‘Lord’?
Mat 22:44 For he says, ‘Adonai said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’
Mat 22:45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”
Mat 22:46 No one was able to answer Him a word. Nor did anyone dare from that day on to question Him any longer.
The short answer – who can oppose God – NO ONE
The long answer – I grew up Presbyterian – it was my family – my culture – it was the theology I grew up within. I admit it. AND just like you – I knew of Fallen Angels long before I ever read a single word of scripture. It was a Roman Christendom culture.
The hand of God in my life – 1972 I attended a private boarding school just north of Boston (1) it taught me how to think academically (I attended a ‘church’ gathering who called themselves “Plymouth Brethren”) – I was so involved - I was spoiled
1- no official leader – anyone could lead – because we all have something to say
2- It was a very ACADEMIC – more than one PhD in the group – a defrocked Catholic Priest – my Physics teacher was there and how I found the group
3- Sermons / messages always came first – we gathered – sat down, sang a few songs to get everyone relaxed → then sermon / presentation / lecture
4- another song or two to fill the time
5- Then a break – pot luck coffee and cake – whatever
6- After the break – discussion time – we all discussed the earlier presentation that day
If you gave the sermon – at discussion we could ask you questions about your lecture / presentation
Sometimes the discussion lasted 1 hr – sometimes it lasted all day
This was Northside Boston / Harvard / Cambridge / Andover area
No one in the group needed money and a lot of them were involved in higher education
The quality and depth of conversation DAZZELED ME – I have always re-sought the experience
2002 I worked with Linda – and as we talked she would say – you need to meet my husband – he leads a Bible study group – so I went to one. Rich and I have been friends ever since. He is a Quaker / Friends. They never study and praise in the same meeting – and they never separate the children from the adults. Rich says – how can you praise with all your heart if Sunday School put some questions in your head. - Too bad that we live 160 miles apart (250Km)
Around 2000 I had this idea that I was going to learn Hebrew – the local seminary needed $$$$$
Online tutorials led me to Hebrew Institute Jerusalem → Free pre-recorded Hebrew grammar classes online - All I learned about Hebrew is that it obey the same translation rules as Greek or Latin and the verbs are just as complicated as Greek.
Instead – I watched all the Kabbalah classes – of special interest was their discussion of Michael Weinstein (today’s Einstein) - the correlation between String Theory and the Kabbalah is too close to be an accident. These ancient Rabbis knew and understood the depth about our reality long before science did.
The biggest revelation that I learned about the Jew and their theology was that my perception of them was INCOMPLETE
Jesus Christ was a Temple teaching JEW – who came to fulfill the Torah
To my surprise – Kabbalistic Jews are MORE Christian than many Christians I know
Mat 22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that Yeshua had silenced the Sadducees, gathered together in one place.
Mat 22:35 And testing Him, one of them, a lawyer, asked,
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Torah?”
Mat 22:37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mat 22:40 The entire Torah and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Is this how you understand pre-Christian Judaism?
How does a Jew far from the Temple sacrifice – Quorbots (community service – act like a Christian)
What is the GOAL of Judaism – a close personal relationship with God
40 years in the Wilderness LEAD BY THE SPIRIT
The GOAL has always been to walk with God as Abraham. Isaac, and Jacob – as Nathan, as Elijah, as Elisha, as Isaiah, as Ezekiel, as Mica, as , as, as , as ,a s – Just how many Jews of the ahl walk and talked with God → MANY – DANIEL - all thought the ages → and these men led
Jesus Christ came – and left us with the Promise of the Comforter and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost is a JEWISH HOLIDAY! → and these New Pentecostal Messianic Jews – were sent out to WITNESS and lead.
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From my own witness – I am a spirit believer – I believe in spirits
“Just outside our field of vision are entities – that are anything but human – that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons”- David Ike
YES – I AM AN ABSOLUTE BELIEVER
All through history – no matter where or when you look all cultures have had a spirit reality – that manipulated this world from the outside
All through History – no matter when or where you look all cultures have some form of space/alien – ancient astronaut – UFO / Alien reality – that manipulated this world from the outside.
All through history – wherever you look there is a reference to the serpent – serpent gods – reptilians
All through the ahl/OT – they were describes as – ‘other gods’ – shedim – beelzebul was just one of those ‘other gods’ of the Philistines (Gaza Strip)
At the time of Jesus Christ – Jewish demonology was full developed and common knowledge
Validated by Jesus Christ – Mat 10:25, Mark 3:22, Luke 11:15-19
CONTEXT of the New Testament Gospel = Jewish demonology = King Solomon / bellzebul / shedim / Lilith/ satyrs / Nephilim
NO EVER CONSIDERED CATHOLIC FALLEN ANGELS UNTIL ROME INVENTED IT
My challenge to you from the beginning – show me your scripture that your satan opposes God
You go so far as to ask - an actions that opposes GOD directly
Dec 27, 2019 16:33:38 GMT -5 @robertt said:
So the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enoughSo where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD?
Line upon line, here and there, remember, how to read Scripture?
D - This thread was started to explore who does satan oppose / accuse
I have dealt with my 49 verses
I have answered your 23 verses
Why do you refuse to go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God
You don’t because you Can’t – because satan is not God’s opponent in a war
Satan is God’s obedient servant helping God facilitate God’s plan
Please prove to me that satan is God’s opponet – here are the verses
I have dealt with my 49 verses
I have answered your 23 verses
Why do you refuse to go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God
You don’t because you Can’t – because satan is not God’s opponent in a war
Satan is God’s obedient servant helping God facilitate God’s plan
Please prove to me that satan is God’s opponet – here are the verses
R - All your "hoo har" over 49 verses verses 23, doesn't matter, I need only one verse, apart from Ezk, I have Rev 12. There was war in heaven?
Then – you changed your definitions and premise and presented the JUSTICICATION
Anyone opposing man – opposes God
But your justification fails because God opposes man – and sends both man and angel to oppose man
Re 12:10 .... for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
Notice what Rev 12 calls this beast power, an accuser of humans, not some power tempting humans to sin.
Why doesn’t the New Testament say your saatan opposes god
Why doesn’t the New Testament support your doctrine
Re 12:13 ... he persecuted the woman ...
The devil persecutes humans....
Why doesn’t the New Testament say your satan opposes god
Why doesn’t the New Testament support your doctrine
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Why doesn’t the New Testament say your satan opposes god
Why doesn’t the New Testament support your doctrine
Notice what Rev 12 calls this beast power, an accuser of humans, not some power tempting humans to sin.
Why doesn’t the New Testament say your saatan opposes god
Why doesn’t the New Testament support your doctrine
Re 12:13 ... he persecuted the woman ...
The devil persecutes humans....
Why doesn’t the New Testament say your satan opposes god
Why doesn’t the New Testament support your doctrine
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Why doesn’t the New Testament say your satan opposes god
Why doesn’t the New Testament support your doctrine
Now you have changed your definitions yet again to
Explain to me why sinning is not an action that opposes GOD directly?
1- the only ‘sinning angels (messengers) in scripture are the bane elohiym of Gen 6 – and they are locked away in chains
YES – this group (yester ra) went form and multiplied
YES – once they put on biology – they (yester ra) went forth and multiplied – out of their kind
Even the Fossil Record (Rom 1:19) validate that at the time of the Flood – there may have been 6-8 different humanoid species – bottle necking into only the lineage of Adam / Noah after the flood
ALSO – do not forget the sinning against nature – they sinned against the birds and reptiles – and the beast – Chimaeras
SO YOUR FEEL GOOD GOD THAT MUST OBEY THE 10 COMMANDMENTS - said
Gen 6:7 So Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the face of the ground, from humankind to livestock, crawling things and the flying creatures of the sky, because I regret that I made them.”
Gen 6:8 But Noah found favor in Adonai’s eyes.
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Explain to me why sinning is not an action that opposes GOD directly?
Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!”
מות תמות׃ – Remember
Sin = one bite and you will die (biology) and in the future you will die (a second death)
Death of biology / flesh – not because anything changed – except the Tree of antidote was removed
+ Death of spirit – (which is not fully explained until Rev 20) – Lake of Fire
The curse / blessing of Gen 3
Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life.
The serpent was curse to the ground (earth) – to crawl in the mud – to eat dust (earth)
If the serpent was NOT a snake before – what was he?
Or is this just more casting the serpent into the ground (earth) physical creation – Rev 12:7
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
1- God did this – this is God’s Plan for man – God put this Contest in motion
2- This is a curse and a blessing
3- Phrases who read the Kabbalah already knew the blessing of salvation – but it was not explained until the Gospel of John
Christian rail about Isaiah 53 – they should read more Jewish Kabbalah
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
The First Book of Adam and Eve
CHAP. III. GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
7 But God had before that made this covenant with our father, Adam, in the same terms, ere he came out of the garden, when he was by the tree whereof Eve took the fruit and gave it him to eat.
Christian rail about Isaiah 53 – they should read more Jewish Kabbalah
The First Book of Adam and Eve
CHAP. XIV. THEN Adam said unto God: "O Lord, take Thou my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness."
2 But God the Lord said to Adam, "Verily I say unto thee, this darkness will pass from thee, every day I have determined for thee, until the fulfilment of My covenant; when I will save thee and bring thee back again into the garden, into the abode of light thou longest for, wherein is no darkness. I will bring thee, to it--in the kingdom of heaven."
3 Again said God unto Adam, "All this misery that thou hast been made to take upon thee because of thy transgression, will not free thee from the hand of Satan, and will not save thee.
4 "But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.
5 "And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save thee."
Christian rail about Isaiah 53 – they should read more Jewish Kabbalah
The First Book of Adam and Eve
CHAP. XXIV. THEN the merciful God, good 'and lover of men, looked upon Adam and Eve, and upon their blood, which they had held up as an offering unto Him; without an order from Him for so doing. But He wondered at them; and accepted their offerings.
2 And God sent from His presence a bright fire, that consumed their offering.
3 He smelt the sweet savour of their offering, and showed them mercy.
4 Then came the Word of God to Adam, and said unto him, "O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood, so will I shed My own blood when I become flesh of thy seed; and as thou didst die, O Adam, so also will I die. And as thou didst build an altar, so also will I make for thee an altar on the earth; and as thou didst offer thy blood upon it, so also will I offer My blood upon an altar on the earth.
5 "And as thou didst sue for forgiveness through that blood, so also will I make My blood forgiveness of sins, and blot out transgressions in it.
6 "And now, behold, I have accepted thy offering, O Adam, but the days of the covenant, wherein I have bound thee, are not fulfilled. When they are fulfilled, then will I bring thee back into the garden.
7 "Now, therefore, strengthen thy heart; and when sorrow comes upon thee, make Me an offering, and I will be favourable to thee."
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The curse / blessing of Gen 3
WORLD - Gen 3:16 To the woman He said, “I will greatly increase your pain from conception to labor. In pain will you give birth to children. Your desire will be toward your husband, yet he must rule over you.”
WORLD - Gen 3:17 Then to the man He said, “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate of the tree which I commanded you, saying, ‘You must not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground because of you—with pain will you eat of it all the days of your life.
WORLD - Gen 3:18 Thorns and thistles will sprout for you. You will eat the plants of the field,
WORLD - Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you eat food, until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken. For you are dust, and to dust will you return.”
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Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.”
The serpent’s seed and Eve’s seed
Two different biological groups on earth that have offspring
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
Rev 12:9 (THE BEAST) And the great dragon … that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satanas, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels (messengers / offspring / seed)
The Archon
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The KJV translators called them Principalities
Col 1:16 For by him (CHRIST) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Paul – the author of 85% of the New Testament called them our real struggle and they were made by Christ/God for God/Christ
Consistent with every other teaching – There is only One True God and no other – all thing were created by Him for Him
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
YOUR ARGUMENT that your satan forced you god to make the ra – or that your god had to make the ra in response to your satan
DENIES THE OMNIPOTENCE OF GOD – because your satan can force God to react
TEACHES that your satan can change / alter God’s original Plan against God’s Will
Absolute Nonsense
God is OMNISCIENT – He knows ALL – He knew Eve would sin – he knew Adam would sin – He knows you would sin – and why salvation through Christ was always the Plan from the beginning.
Aug 20, 2022 17:51:16 GMT -5 @robertt said:
GOD knew and it has nothing to do with your satan god of evil
Sept 8, 2022 15:39:06 GMT -5 @robertt said:
Notice especially "The notion of a dual godhead with a Father and a Son, the notion of a Redeemer who himself will be both God and man, and the notion that this Redeemer would suffer and die as part of the salvational processwritten by Rabbi Daniel Boyarin, professor of Talmudic Culture at the University of California."
DO you read my Posts?
You are not Jewish or following anything Messianic Jews support? Messianic Jews have a "godhead" concept of Elohiym. Like we SDA have, a godhead concept, based on a "Family" picture.
Answer this question poses by Jesus Christ
Mat 22:41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Yeshua asked them a question,
Mat 22:42 saying, “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose Son is He?” “David’s,” they say to Him.
Mat 22:43 “Then how is it,” He says to them, “that David by the Ruach calls him ‘Lord’?
Mat 22:44 For he says, ‘Adonai said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’
Mat 22:45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”
Mat 22:46 No one was able to answer Him a word. Nor did anyone dare from that day on to question Him any longer.