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Post by Dave on Aug 1, 2022 21:52:13 GMT -5
And yes it is walking in the Spirit. Your nashamah is ONE (echad) with the "spirit of God". YOU ABSOLUTELY DENY THE SPIRIT You and the rest of Pentecostal Judeo-Christendom do NOT agree
And I also get the impression the Greek in Hebrew 13 is also speaking about good relationships, korbats is another way of saying the same thing. YOU REFUSE TO KNOW WHAT KORBATS IS – how can you use it in a sentence?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 4:55:19 GMT -5
D"YOU ABSOLUTELY DENY THE SPIRIT
OK so what do you do differently to me in the spirit?
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2022 8:34:51 GMT -5
D"YOU ABSOLUTELY DENY THE SPIRIT OK so what do you do differently to me in the spirit?
YOU TEACH – biology / WORLD Your nashamah - is a biological thing created from biology Your nashamah - is created after Day 6 as each man is born Your nashamah - is only the memories that your biological brain accumulates When you die a mortal death – the HS takes your memories back to heaven Until you are resurrected – then your memories are replace in your resurrected body Then judgement is only black or white (1) reign with God or (2) Lake of Fire OR - man is raised at the First Resurection - and reigning with Christ means Proportional Punishment
From earth we came – no afterlife only grave and sleep – until resurrected – then judged alive or return to death OR From earth we came – no afterlife only grave and sleep – until resurrected – then judged alive or Proportionally Punishen then put to death
Judaism teaches – spirituality - LIFE LIVES Man is - a spiritual being Man is – a full part of the HOST of heaven created on Day 1 Man is – co-joined with our biological bodies upon conception (Gen 2:7) Man is – a spiritual being having a physical souljourn through physical reality Man is – released / pour out / let go upon mortal death and returns to God for judgment - LIFE LIVES Man is – judged at mortal death (Heb 9:27) - (1) a Divine Pardon or (2) Proportional punishment Man is – serving God in heaven (Divine Pardon) before the First Resurrection as host of heaven - LIFE LIVES Man is – raised after Proportional Punishment to the First Resurrection to serve as host in heaven - LIFE LIVES Man is – cast to the Lake of Fire – if he does not graduate from Proportional Punishment - THE DEATH OF SPIRIT
From God we came – souljourn here – and to God we will return for judgment to a Divine Pardon or Proportional Punishment
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 17:12:44 GMT -5
D" Judaism teaches – spirituality - LIFE LIVES Man is - a spiritual being Man is – a full part of the HOST of heaven created on Day 1 Man is – co-joined with our biological bodies upon conception (Gen 2:7) Man is – a spiritual being having a physical souljourn through physical reality Man is – released / pour out / let go upon mortal death and returns to God for judgment - LIFE LIVES Man is – judged at mortal death (Heb 9:27) - (1) a Divine Pardon or (2) Proportional punishment Man is – serving God in heaven (Divine Pardon) before the First Resurrection as host of heaven - LIFE LIVES Man is – raised after Proportional Punishment to the First Resurrection to serve as host in heaven - LIFE LIVES Man is – cast to the Lake of Fire – if he does not graduate from Proportional Punishment - THE DEATH OF SPIRITR" If you want me to fathom this concept, I shall need Hebrew torah verses, presented one at a time. D" Man is – a full part of the HOST of heaven created on Day 1 Verse please?Ge 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. How does the word host imply man's spirit was created on day 1? D" Man is – judged at mortal death (Heb 9:27) Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: R" Yes but does not say ye are judged immediately after you die? 1) Which Hebrew word do you use for the "spirit" component of the "man lives" after he dies? You cannot use "ruwach" that word means "medium" an refers to the administration of the HS upholding the medium of GOD. Wind is also a medium, so the secular term is implied in some contexts, the HS functions as a wind at times. The word for "spirit of man" comes from Hebrew word "nashamah". I have listened to Jews on videos, they mix "nephesh and ruwach" and I do not see a Hebrew word for "man's spirit that lives after death". Therefore I await your Hebrew torah study. SHalom PS you quoted my views very well
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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2022 23:11:15 GMT -5
D"Judaism teaches – spirituality - LIFE LIVES R" If you want me to fathom this concept, I shall need Hebrew torah verses, presented one at a time.The New Testament makes it more simpleJoh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Either you believe in eternal life – or you don’tA Jew has no doubt of his salvation – he is God’s chosen people A Jew has no doubt of the eternity of life – but understand that man can earn spiritual death – end of spirit Eternal life is not the gift of more existenceFORGIVENESS for your sin is the GIFT – that allows you to avoid spiritual deathIf Moses is eternal – and you are eternal – how can Moses be older than you? The teaching than man is only born of biology is not eternal The idea that life starts as biology then stops - and starts again - then stops again – is not eternal D"Man is – a full part of the HOST of Revelation 20:4 – there we are serving the Lord around his throneHow does the word host imply man's spirit was created on day 1? Because all the host of heaven were created on Day 11) Which Hebrew word do you use for the "spirit" component of the "man lives" after he dies? You cannot use "ruwach" that word means "medium" an refers to the administration of the HS upholding the medium of GOD. The word for "spirit of man" comes from Hebrew word "nashamah". I have listened to Jews on videos, they mix "nephesh and ruwach" and I do not see a Hebrew word for "man's spirit that lives after death". IT IS YOUR WORD GAME so you don’t have to understand IT IS YOUR WORD GAME so you have an excuse to doubtPS you quoted my views very well Too bad you refuse to return the favor
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 5:48:01 GMT -5
D"Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Either you believe in eternal life – or you don’t R" Where does "Eternal life" mean immortality?
If the spirit-spark in man is already immortal, why do I need to believe in jesus?
If Adam had to eat of the tree of life, proof their soul is not eternal?
If we continue to eat of the tree of life in next world, proof our soul is still not eternal?
Where does Scripture say our souls are eternal?
Or immmortal for that matter?
Only God is immortal.
D"FORGIVENESS for your sin is the GIFT – that allows you to avoid spiritual death R" You say this because your spark is already eternal, but you are wrong and forgiveness from SIN, allows you to have ongoing living.
D"D"Man is – a full part of the HOST of Revelation 20:4 R" Only a select few are allowed around the throne. Not the entire host of all created beings.
D"Because all the host of heaven were created on Day 1 Dave your brevity is tiring, I have to say it all over again, where is your discussions and proof of what you are saying? No proof is all I see here.
D"IT IS YOUR WORD GAME so you don’t have to understand IT IS YOUR WORD GAME so you have an excuse to doubt R" No Dave, unless you have a word that encapsulates your idea, your ideas are meaningless and bogus.
Stop hijacking the word meanings from other words.
D"Too bad you refuse to return the favor R" I did, I posted your view and without mocking it. Last post before this one. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2022 6:51:49 GMT -5
Either you believe in eternal life – or you don’t R" Where does "Eternal life" mean immortality? Eternal life NEVER means immortality – by a dictionary
If the spirit-spark in man is already immortal, why do I need to believe in jesus? The spirit in not mortal or immortal – it is eternal ethereal spirit
If Adam had to eat of the tree of life, proof their soul is not eternal? Adam and Eve had to eat from the tree of life to keep their bodies alive - Correct Without the Tree of Life – they grew old and died – just like all of physical creation Proof man was always mortal – just like all physical creation
Only God is immortal. God is NOT mortal – therefore God will NEVER have a mortal death
D"FORGIVENESS for your sin is the GIFT – that allows you to avoid spiritual death R" You say this because your spark is already eternal, but you are wrong and forgiveness from SIN, allows you to have ongoing living. WOW – now you argue against the Cross he gift of salvation
D"IT IS YOUR WORD GAME so you don’t have to understand IT IS YOUR WORD GAME so you have an excuse to doubt
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 16:29:18 GMT -5
D"The spirit in not mortal or immortal – it is eternal ethereal spirit R" Same brevity Dave,
no discussion
no explaining your terms and words,
so I have to ask yet again and again
to unpack your word salad. Nobody understands.
What do you mean by eternal ethereal spirit ?
Bible verses please? Tell me something that is eternal that does not come from God? Answer nothing.
Is matter eternal? You statements make no sense. SO explain. You could have saved time posting details before, but you don't.
DO you have a verse that says "eternal spirit" even?
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Is it translated correctly though?
Heb 9:14 (YLT) how much more shall the blood of the Christ (who through the age-during Spirit did offer himself unblemished to God) purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Why does Young's Literal do this differently to all the others?
Mt 18:8 into everlasting fire.
Already this word "aionios" does not mean "eternal".
Since when is a fire "everlasting or eternal" ?
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom ... suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Again we can visit Sodom to this day, no eternal fire there.
So please discuss your view of your term.
Obviously "olam" means something else.
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2022 22:47:06 GMT -5
What do you mean by eternal ethereal spirit ? Please use a dictionary to look up the word Ethereal
Tell me something that is eternal that does not come from God? God is the origin of the ALL - DUH
Is matter eternal? You statements make no sense. Correct – your comments belong to a child
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Is it translated correctly though?
Heb 9:14 (YLT) how much more shall the blood of the Christ (who through the age-during Spirit did offer himself unblemished to God) purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Why does Young's Literal do this differently to all the others? Because it is literal – DUH Therefore it reads clunky in English
Heb 9:14 πόσῳ μᾶλλον τὸ αἷμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὃς διὰ Πνεύματος αἰωνίου ἑαυτὸν προσήνεγκεν ἄμωμον τῷ Θεῷ καθαριεῖ τὴν συνείδησιν ἡμῶν ἀπὸ νεκρῶν ἔργων εἰς τὸ λατρεύειν Θεῷ ζῶντι;
διὰ Πνεύματος αἰωνίου ἑαυτὸν προσήνεγκεν ἄμωμον Through Spirit of perpetual time offered faultless Through Spirit of eternal time offered faultless The word HIMSELF is not written it is included withing the verb - Tense: Aorist, Voice: Active, Mood: Indicative, Person: third [he/she/it], Singular
G166 - αἰώνιος - perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Already this word "aionios" does not mean "eternal". Technically correct – it means perpetual time – time without end – everlasting time
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom ... suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. The Lake of Fire is eternal –
Again we can visit Sodom to this day, no eternal fire there. You deny the spiritual ramifications of sin – you preach the wicked can escape the to peace and rest of sleep
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 13:38:25 GMT -5
Dave I do not deny the Hebrew torah at all, stop mocking and making up stuff.
D"Already this word "aionios" does not mean "eternal". Technically correct – it means perpetual time – time without end – everlasting time
R" NO while I like the way you contradict yourself, the word does not mean "time" either, because GOD is not subject to time, remember?
GOD is outside of time and space.
I find the word is best described as "ongoing living" for most contexts.
For example
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom ... suffering the vengeance of "ongoing" fire.
The term "fire" is a poetry simile of God's presence.
SO now we have
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom ... suffering the vengeance of "God's ongoing presence".
Now this makes logical sense, and the poetry similes are removed.
(My view of "ongoing" is about our memories of things going forward every day, not necessarily related to time, which implies some fundamental constant, that has both forwards and backward elements of memories embedded in it. There are many science people who say time does not exist. )
The verse is saying wicked sinnings get "God's ongoing disapproval" . In other words God never tolerates dysfunctional things at all, ever, NEVER.
Funny thing your Gnostic teaches the GOD creates with RA naturally, is as bogus as it gets.
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D" The spirit in not mortal or immortal – it is eternal ethereal spirit
R" Dave is saying
The spirit is "time without end – everlasting time" ethereal spirit
R" Where is your Bible text for this idea?
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Here the medium or ruwach as a "Strong authority" (not referenced as elohiym powers - so is NOT an expression of the Father as you claim) is written here as coming from the SHADDAY, and the SHADDAY is a personal being, not a medium or "spirit" or "wind" at all, but a personal being.
Ge 17:1 ¶ And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Here is the EL-SHADDAY telling Abram to walk before the personal being, suggests to me the SHADDAY is also walking with Abram.
Therefore Scripture clearly teaches the medium, spirit, wind thing you refer to is not a "time without end" thing at all, but the medium only came to us in this function when the first creature decided to SIN. In fact the medium function is only required to SIN and SINNERS, to prevent them from ceasing to exist. Therefore the medium function ceases once the SIN problem is finally removed. And the Family of ELohiym becomes the Provider Most High, the Shadday Responder, and the Collective SON, who is the "father of the redeemed" us humans, who have replaced the sinning angels place in heaven. Exciting, there are now two created beings around the throne of GOD, the cherubims and the humans.
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Post by Dave on Aug 4, 2022 15:44:45 GMT -5
D"Already this word "aionios" does not mean "eternal". Technically correct – it means perpetual time – time without end – everlasting time R" NO while I like the way you contradict yourself, the word does not mean "time" either, because GOD is not subject to time, remember? What happened to Jeff Brenner inspired – words only mean their root
G166 - αἰώνιος - aiōnios - From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Root word
G165 - αἰών - aiōn - From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550. I / everyone I know / even text books refer to aion as an AGE – a period of time
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G104 - ἀεί – aei - From an obsolete primary noun (apparently meaning continued duration); “ever”; by qualification regularly; by implication earnestly: - always, ever.
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G5550 – χρόνος – chronos - Of uncertain derivation; a space of time
R" NO while I like the way you contradict yourself, the word does not mean "time" either, because GOD is not subject to time, remember? If you stop arguing with words – maby you could see that is exactly what it means -----------------------
D" The spirit in not mortal or immortal – it is eternal ethereal spirit R" Dave is saying The spirit is "time without end – everlasting time" ethereal spirit YES – I agree R" Where is your Bible text for this idea? Already provided – you deny the spirit and therefore you are incapable of having a spiritual conversation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 5:58:09 GMT -5
D"I / everyone I know / even text books refer to aion as an AGE – a period of time
R" Yes, correct, my translation is the word "ongoing" which is a period of time, but the time is going forwards,
not forwards and backwards, like science defines time.
Some science say time does not exist, only the idea of "ongoing", memories of events going forwards.
DP" The spirit in not mortal or immortal – it is eternal ethereal spirit RP" Dave is saying The spirit is "time without end – everlasting time" ethereal spirit DP"YES – I agree RP" Where is your Bible text for this idea? DP" Already provided – you deny the spirit and therefore you are incapable of having a spiritual conversation R" Well those were good invisible Bible verses weren't they?
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Post by Dave on Aug 5, 2022 7:56:41 GMT -5
D"I / everyone I know / even text books refer to aion as an AGE – a period of time R" Yes, correct, my translation is the word "ongoing" which is a period of time, but the time is going forwards, D"Already this word "aionios" does not mean "eternal". Technically correct – it means perpetual time – time without end – everlasting timeR" NO while I like the way you contradict yourself, the word does not mean "time" either, because GOD is not subject to time, remember? Typical Robert tongue twisting – what do you mean – no one knows – do you?---------------------- The spirit is "time without end – everlasting time" ethereal spirit DP"YES – I agree RP" Where is your Bible text for this idea? DP" Already provided – you deny the spirit and therefore you are incapable of having a spiritual conversation R" Well those were good invisible Bible verses weren't they?Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 for God did so love the world, that His Son—the only begotten—He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice. I know them, and they follow Me. Joh 10:28 I give them eternal life! They will never perish … 1Jn 2:17 The world is passing away along with its desire, but the one who does the will of God abides forever. 1Jn 2:17 and the world doth pass away, and the desire of it, and he who is doing the will of God, he doth remain—to the age. 1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this—that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 1Jn 5:11 and this is the testimony, that life age-during did God give to us, and this—the life—is in His Son; 1Jn 5:13 I wrote these things to you who believe in the name of Ben-Elohim, so you may know that you have eternal life. 1Jn 5:13 These things I did write to you who are believing in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that life ye have age-during, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God. Robert – why do you deny the gift of Jesus Christ? Robert – why do you deny the promise from God? Robert – why do you deny the gift of salvation? Isn’t Ellen White’s SDA a Christian group? – Sounds satanic to me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 16:00:24 GMT -5
Dave quotes verses WITHOUT discussions" Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 for God did so love the world, that His Son—the only begotten—He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice. I know them, and they follow Me. Joh 10:28 I give them eternal life! They will never perish …
1Jn 2:17 The world is passing away along with its desire, but the one who does the will of God abides forever. 1Jn 2:17 and the world doth pass away, and the desire of it, and he who is doing the will of God, he doth remain—to the age.
1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this—that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 1Jn 5:11 and this is the testimony, that life age-during did God give to us, and this—the life—is in His Son; 1Jn 5:13 I wrote these things to you who believe in the name of Ben-Elohim, so you may know that you have eternal life. 1Jn 5:13 These things I did write to you who are believing in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that life ye have age-during, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.
Rob replies" Where does any of these verses support the idea of your view of the "The spirit (as an) eternal ethereal spirit"
I read not a single one. No discussions from Dave either?
Do you have any idea what you are supposed to be defending and discussing?
D"Typical Robert tongue twisting – what do you mean – no one knows – do you? R" Again, no discussion, no idea what Dave is trying to say...nothing...
My use of "ongoing" refers to the time (yes I will use your idea) moves forward, since God created the ability for memories to move forward when "time" was created on day one.
However my idea of time, is only the forward progression of conscious memories. Time to me is not a universal constant, time cannot move backwards, nor can time become futuristic, time is just a daily forward progression of conscious memories of events.
Now since you never write a discussion of time according to your view, why do you mock my view? I have a right to my view, and at least I share it with you/ Where is the sharing of your view of time? You do not write your discussions. ---------------------------------------------------
D" Robert – why do you deny the gift of Jesus Christ? Robert – why do you deny the promise from God? Robert – why do you deny the gift of salvation? R" Can't I have a discussion with Dave? Can't you stick to a theme, instead you mock and fly off at tangents? What is wrong with your logic? I do not mind anymore that we disagree, your theology is your business and your choice, but surely you can defend your logic and views, I would like to read of your views, not you mocking my views all the time.
Now this is the topic at hand, remember?
"The spirit is an eternal ethereal spirit"
Some questions for you.
1) If humans have some eternal spark in us, we call our own, why did Jesus have to die, when the body does yester ra, couldn't God just create perfect bodies for the eternal spirit and all is well, so Jesus did not have to die? Where is the reason in your view for Jesus having to die?
In my view, our soul is always connected to it's body, so Jesus died to redeem our soul and our bodies that are spoiled by mischief done by the mischief maker to the womb of the compassion-centre that rules over the womb of woman. In my view living is a relationship to GOD, and the mischief maker spoiled this, hence Jesus had to die to restore this to what is was before mischief was done to humanity.
Now I am asking you to write your view. Now if you wish to write discussions on my view, where my logic fails, fine do so, without mocking my view. All people are entitled to a view of their own. Including you, so I am asking you to share it.
2) This eternal spirit you claim is us, can it morally sin outside of the body? Can it talk outside of the body?
3) Why is this eternal spirit placed back into bodies in the second resurrection and judged and the body and the eternal spirit and it's body thrown into a Lake of Fire?
You do have spirits extinguished don't you? How can it be eternal than?
Now I do not mock your theology and your beliefs OK, this is not about mocking your theology, you love Gnostic views, as I see, so you stick with your view, I am only asking you that you discuss with me what your views are and why you have those views. Surely you can do this, I will not attack your religion. I do not mind you freely choosing your religion, it is different to mine, but surely you can discuss your views with me. You rarely ever do.
At this point in time I see an "eternal ethereal spirit" as some spark in man as a silly illogical idea, but I do have an open mind.
SO please explain and answer my questions.
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Post by Dave on Aug 6, 2022 1:34:15 GMT -5
Dave quotes verses WITHOUT discussions" Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Discussion = Eternal LifeJoh 10:28 I give them eternal life! They will never perish … Discussion = Eternal Life1Jn 2:17 The world is passing away along with its desire, but the one who does the will of God abides forever. Discussion = abides forever = Eternal Life1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this—that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Discussion = Eternal Life1Jn 5:13 I wrote these things to you who believe in the name of Ben-Elohim, so you may know that you have eternal life. Discussion = Eternal Life Rob replies" Where does any of these verses support the idea of your view of the "The spirit (as an) eternal ethereal spirit"Discussion = Eternal LifeI read not a single one. No discussions from Dave either?Discussion = Eternal LifeDo you have any idea what you are supposed to be defending and discussing?YES – LIFE LIVES = Eternal Life – Life without end D" Robert – why do you deny the gift of Jesus Christ? Robert – why do you deny the promise from God? Robert – why do you deny the gift of salvation? R" Can't I have a discussion with Dave? Can't you stick to a theme, instead you mock and fly off at tangents? This is the theme The gift = Eternal Life / The Promise = Eternal Life / Salvation = Eternal LifeI would like to read of your views, not you mocking my views all the time. MY VIEW – Life Lives – Eternal Life – an ethereal creation on Day 1 – a full host of heaven My Discussion = Life Lives – Eternal Life – an ethereal creation on Day 1 – a full host of heaven1) If humans have some eternal spark in us, we call our own, why did Jesus have to die, To atone for our sins – DUH To open the door to the Divine Pardon – DUH To prove to all that – Life Lives – because of His Resurrection Now I am asking you to write your view. Man is a spirit being – ethereal – created on Day 1 along with all the host of heaven Before our physical conception we knew God – God knew us At physical conception – spirit being is mated to / trapped with / installed into a body of flesh We are here for a reason – to serve the Lord – and witness – Jer 1:5 Upon mortal death – death of flesh – our spirit is released – let go - poured out – and returns to God Man is made in God’s imageChrist always was – came to earth as God incarnate – when jesus Son of Man flesh died upon the cross – Christ was poured out / released / let go and returned to THE UNSEEN and continued to serve 2) This eternal spirit you claim is us, can it morally sin outside of the body? Outside of the body we would be in the presence of GodCan it talk outside of the body?Moses and Elijah were conversing with Christ in the transfigurateion3) Why is this eternal spirit placed back into bodies in the second resurrection and judged and the body and the eternal spirit and it's body thrown into a Lake of Fire?Why is this eternal spirit placed back into bodies1- It will not be as you are now 1Jn 3:2 Loved ones, now we are God’s children; and it has not yet been revealed what we will be. But we do know that when it’s revealed, we shall be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. 2- No flesh in heaven – no biology in heaven 1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. 3- body body body – this is a strange teaching for me Instead of assuming anything – I went to a neutral web-site for help What verse = spirit placed back into bodies / judge the body / body thrown into a Lake of Fire?coldcasechristianity.com/writings/what-does-christianity-teach-about-the-resurrection-of-our-bodies/What Does Christianity Teach About The Resurrection Of Our Bodies?
Isaiah 26:19 Your dead will live; their corpses will rise Judaism 101 – Life Lives – upon mortal death – the spirit is judged – Divine Pardon – or Proportional Punishment – to each man his due – Deeds, Works, and Fruit Rising from Proportional Punishment to the First Resurrection has nothing to do with the bodyDaniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, Awake from proportional Punishment Acts 23:6 I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead.” Rising from Proportional Punishment to the First Resurrection has nothing to do with the body of flesh1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. BODY IS NOT IMPERISHABLE1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. 1Jn 3:2 Loved ones, now we are God’s children; and it has not yet been revealed what we will be. But we do know that when it’s revealed, we shall be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. Rising from Proportional Punishment to the First Resurrection has nothing to do with the body of fleshJohn 5:25, 28-29 “I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live… Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.” Rising from Proportional Punishment to the First Resurrection has nothing to do with the body of fleshPsalm 17:15 And I — in righteousness I will see your face; when I awake, I will be satisfied with seeing your likeness. Rising from Proportional Punishment to the First Resurrection has nothing to do with the body of fleshWhat verse = spirit placed back into bodies / judge the body / body thrown into a Lake of Fire?All of this happens in heaven – no flesh in heaven – changed – different – no longer corporeal but ethereal You do have spirits extinguished don't you? How can it be eternal than?Because they committed suicide – by choosing world over God and – world passes awayyou love Gnostic views, as I see, so you stick with your view, You can call it Gnostic if you you want – but all this is 100% scriptureI am only asking you that you discuss with me what your views are and why you have those views. Why do I accept scripture? - DUHAll of this is basic Judaism - All of this is the Christianiity I have always grown up within - it is Presbyterian - it is mainsteam Christianity Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass. Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. It is also the theology of the Jesus and His Disciples -His audience - and His followers and that is that matters to me - this CONTEXT is the only relevant view to understand scripture-------------------------------------------- D"Typical Robert tongue twisting – what do you mean – no one knows – do you? R" Again, no discussion, no idea what Dave is trying to say...nothing... You say - My use of "ongoing" refers to the time However my idea of time, do you mock my view? – WHICH VIEW D"Already this word "aionios" does not mean "eternal". Technically correct – it means perpetual time – time without end – everlasting timeR" NO while I like the way you contradict yourself, the word does not mean "time" either, because GOD is not subject to time, remember? Typical Robert tongue twisting – what do you mean – no one knows – do you?I have a right to my view – WHICH VIEWthe word does not mean ’time"ORMy use of "ongoing" refers to the time
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