Post by Dave on Jul 28, 2022 15:29:17 GMT -5
Jul 27, 2022 16:14:08 GMT -5 @robertt said:
D"Dave is not an (ancient Gnostic) I am a Gnostic Christian and only use / include / consider the writings of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – the disciples of Jesus Christ –R" OK fine. I can accept that for now. Ancient Gnostic is different to Christian Gnostic. So Dave you are establishing a cult because you are the only one I can see on the world stage you promotes Christian Gnostics? Is there a www with your view? are there churches with your view?
1- Cult requires a charasmatic personality - I have never asked any one to follow me
In fact - when the opportunity presented itself - I did not follow through with a formal organazation
I am just me - and all I can do is Jer 1:5 - and I am an author
2- Am I the only one who promote Christian Gnosticism - NO
Jole Richardson - is definately NOT Catholic - he includes history and world events and his undertanding of Islam to help intrepert scripture
Walid Shoebat - is definately NOT Catholic - he includes history and world events and his undertanding of Islam to help intrepert scripture
Anyone who promotes Inteligent Design - recognises the truth of Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2 - validates the One true Creator - they are just reluctant to church with people who make a mockery of 8th grade science.
Gnosticism is NOT a church - it is NOT a denomination - it is an open mind and the relization that it happened only one way - there is only one theology - and it all points to the One True Creator
3- The Gnostic Society - holds services - I did not attend
But I did spend a lot of time in their open Library - open to public view - in an 'Reading Room'
Do you know what 'micro-fish' is? Most of their text were on film
Would I call it Gnostic Christian - sure - but they include all the gnostic writings
They have a video series - and many of the videos are - way off track
NOT LIMITED TO - James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
To the question – what is Gnostic Christianity
Gnostic Christianity – accepts empirical data – regardless of source
Why? – because things only happened one way – God’s way
Gnostic Christianity is very Jewish at heart – because Judaism is the foundation theology
Jesus Christ was a Jew – as well all His audience – and all His disciples
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
POINT – Jewish theology remains
Jesus Christ simply added the Gospel to it
Hagia Sophia Gnostic Church - A parish of the Ecclesia Gnostica
Seattle, Washington
gnosis.org/seattle/
Gnostic Society Library: Sources on Gnosticism and Gnosis
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The Gnostic Society Library (a section of The Gnosis Archive), contains a vast collection of primary documents relating to the Gnostic tradition as well as ...
They have a video series on Gnosticism – when I first met this group all the video were free
Now they are mostly for sale → indicates demand
New Light on an Ancient Tradition – free – MP3 download – 48 min long
1- gnosis.org/seattle/
2- left side of page menu = Lecture Catalog - bcrecordings.net/store/
3- left side of page menu = Introducing The Gnostic Gospels
The only Free offering
Next page add to cart – next page personal ino – next page submit – next page download
POINT – potentially boring
3:00 - relevant Information begins
3:30 – vocabulary – the ‘shadow side of religion – manifested with traditional fundamentalism – and reference to Islam’
My paraphrase – the BEAST – has manifested itself with tradition / religion / Catholicism – and a reference to Islam
Blah blah blah
5:00 – he begins to make the point – there is a new trend with Christianity emerging
Very different than what has been going on
6:54 – a new Magical Christianity (remember he is quoting the author)
7:20 – ‘religious experience’
8:30 – The Point –
1- Christianity began as a Pentecostal Movement – spiritual
2- but over time the church has moved away from spiritual to practical tradition
“A moving away from the original “
3- Toady the growing trend – is a return to the spiritual – an awakening
So far I support his words 100%
9:00 – this new trend will return with a vengeance
Act 2:16 But this is what was spoken about through the prophet Joel:
Act 2:17 ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ says God, ‘that I will pour out My Ruach on all flesh. Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Act 2:18 Even on My slaves, male and female, I will pour out My Ruach in those days, and they shall prophesy.
Joe 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
So far I support his words 100% - Baptism of the Holy Spirit – to be Born Again - quickened – awakened – in communion
10:00 - Transcendental Experience – touching the divine – being in communion
11:30 – the reaction = YOU MUST WITNESS WHAT YOU SAW / translate it to others
My example – Enoch – Paul taken up to the 3rd heaven – Moses on the Mount – James, John, and Peter witnessing the TRANSFIGURATION – Stephan seeing into heaven
14:15 – church dogma – doctrine becomes more important that the original + rules to follow
16:40 – there has always been a few though history that have been ‘spiritual’
These recognitions pop up throughout history
18:00 – gnosis – not an accumulation of facts
21:00 – how do you arrive / achieve gnosis?
22:30 – Native cultures and drugs
24:20 – changes you forever – lose the fear of death
Dave’s paraphrase – The First Book of Adam and Eve
8:1THEN Adam wept and said, "O God, when we dwelt in the garden, and our hearts were lifted up, we saw the angels that sang praises in heaven, but now we do not see as we were used to do; nay, when we entered the cave, all creation became hidden from us."
2 Then God the Lord said unto Adam, "When thou wast under subjection to Me, thou hadst a bright nature within thee, and for that reason couldst thou see things afar off. But after thy transgression thy bright nature was withdrawn from thee; and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
Bright Nature – that once allowed man to see into the heavens
Actually – the Kabbalah says that Adam and eve could see the ‘music’ that the angels sang
1- Adam and Eve SINNED in full view of the heavens
2- Our Bright nature has been withheld
3- However – throughout history – some people are ‘Brighter” than others
They have seen things – experienced things - things they cannot explain
4- Some have reached this state with drugs – for real
5- Some have hallucinated under the influence of drugs
These experience happen on different levels
Moses – Jacob’s Dream – Ezekiel’s vision – for real
St Francis of Assi – if you do not know his bio – you should
Tyndale – if you don’t know his story – you should
Joan of Arch – etc – etc – etc
These experience happen on different levels
Archon – demons – Jinn – spooks – shades – shedim – the bogyman – devils
26:15 – It Is very evident that from the very start- Christianity has always been spiritual / Pentecostal
27:45 – is gnosis the only thing required (for salvation) – YES and NO
YES – technically correct
NO – now that you know – you cannot keep it quite – you witness - Robert’s anumah
31:00 – the problem - the world view
Dave’s paraphrase – conformity to organized religion –
Spirt led Pentecostals vrs led by the church and the Priest (tradition)
32:45 – your world view must be based upon spirituality
Dave’s’ paraphrase – if you deny the spirit and the spiritual you probably won’t experience it
33:00 - You must believe in the spirit to receive its maximum impact/effect
34:00 – The Gnostic World View – is a way of thinking and openness to more
36:00 – God is NOT only a FEEL GOOD GOD
So far I support his words 100% -
However- He is a Gnostic as he continues he begins to treat Christianity as one of many sources
I am a Gnostic Christin – my word view is Christ Centric – agl/NT Centric
He sets up the traditional FALSE PREMES
IF God is in charge of every detail →then God is not doing a very good job
SOLUTION – God is not in charge of every detail – he created the stage – he created the contestants – he mixed them together and turned them loose
YES – God steps in from time to time – to facilitate His Will on earth
But over time – the Contest must play out
37:00 – If God is a Feel Good God why so much wrong in the world
Christians – blame it on Adam and Eve and guilt
37:30 – Gnostics wrote another version of Genesis
TRUE and NOT TRUE –
The Book of Creation is a Kabbalistic commentary of Creation
Made public when discovered within the Dead Sea Scrolls
1- it presents the idea that the 22 Hebrew letters and the Torah were the TEMPLATE upon which creation took place
2- Example – the “story” – how did Adam name the animals – comes from the Book of Creation
Easy – he saw a D tumble down from heaven – then an O – followed by a G
What else could it be – a DOG and it barked and ran away
3- I use a quote from the Book
“10 is the number – not 9 – not 11 – but 10”
As in reference to multidimensionality
4- The Book of Creation was always a Temple Scroll
37:45 – Gnostics tell of a different version of Adam and eve that is based in GUILT
Hmm? I only know this as a Jewish version
Eve knew she could NOT Jer 1:5 in Eden
so she chose to enter the world to evangelize to the WORLD
Adam – chose to follow Eve into corruption
I only know this as a Jewish LOVE STORY
He calls it Gnostic? – NOT from within James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, or Thomas
37:50 – There seem to be forces here – running the show
Dave - “Just outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons” – David Ike
38:45 – You have the ability to ‘break free / break through’ the barrier
He is saying – we can reach up and touch the heavens
Dave – YES – we are to KNOCK on that DOOR until it opens
It is not enough just to be a follower – we are called to become Born Again / Baptism of the HS
Yes cannot force that door to open – we can only knock and make ourselves available
41:00 - The Demurrage
He presents the Demurrage differently than I expected
From – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas - the demurrage is just the Artisan / Craftsman
He is a Gnostic and makes the demurrage the Beast and the Beast created the corruption we call physical reality
Dave – from James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – God is the only creator – God created our physical reality with tov and ra in balance – and said it was good
However the Beast was the first sentient being created within physical creation
41:25 – He refuses to take a stand either way – his job is to present the Gnostic Text – not his opinion
41:45 – There are force that keep us unconscious – unaware – sidetracked
43:00 – WHAT – Jesus Christ Crucifixion was not for all
He says Jesus cam to do 2 things – educate and introduce the MYSTERIES – because it is in the MYSTERIES that gnosis comes.
Dave – Jesus Christ was God incarnate –He came to do 4 things
1- educate – and validate the ahl/OT
2- and to prove (with his resurrection) to all that :LIFE LIVES - there is a viable afterlife and we will all enter it someday
3- and belief in #2 is all that is required to begin your journey back to God
4- and to promise to send the Comforter – which is just opening the door to our knocking
Baptism of the Holy Spirit – to be Born Again – a spiritual quickening – a spiritual awakening
Jesus Christ Crucifixion was not for all
Because I have wresteled with this type of literature I get what he is saying
The CROSS was not the THING that saves
The BLOOD was not the THING that saved
It is the EVENT of the RESURRECTION that is the education of LIFE LIVES
Mortal death is not the end there is no rest for the wicked in the sleep of the grave - LIFE LIVES - LIFE continues after mortal death
It is a p1hilosophical distinction
The glass is 1/2 full vrs 1/2 empty - two view opposing view points - both correct
Both correct because they witness to the same EVENT
44:45 – if your world view = this world is all there is – then you will never see more
45:40 – if your world view is of Feel Good God and everything is nice – you are also lost
Last comments
He is a Gnostic and includes much more Gnostic literature than I do
I am a Gnostic Christion – Christ First + the Gnostic writings of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
He presents a duality – physical and spiritual
He presents gnosis as the confirmation of experiencing the spiritual
He presents it as some form of CLAIRVOYANCE
He is not wrong per se – just doesn’t use Christian vocabulary
Paul – was taken up to the third heaven – BOOM
Laying on of hands and the Baptism of the HS – BOOM
In Communion with the comforter – BOOM
experiencing the spiritual