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Post by Dave on Sept 3, 2022 5:45:28 GMT -5
Dave says " YEP – The King of Tyre is the Guardian Protector of his people (cherub – a metaphor) Rob yes Dave, but this is referring to the base text that King Tyre is a human functioning as a guardian human over things. I get that.
So what the parallel poem metaphor about? this is referring to the base text that King Tyre is a human functioning as a guardian human over things. Large wing span to cover all his kingdom with protection – a metaphor
No one ever considered Hebrew satan as a bad guy – until the New Testament Gospel The New Testament is speaking about the BEAST Ezk 28 has nothing to do with the BEAST – the story is about man / a man
The Beast was never perfect in its way The Beast was never cherished by God The Beast was never God's friend The Beast is not forgotten - you have an entire doctrine built upon him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 15:01:24 GMT -5
Dave replies " this is referring to the base text that King Tyre is a human functioning as a guardian human over things. Large wing span to cover all his kingdom with protection – a metaphor
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
This human considers himself a god and also elohiym. Do you agree with me?
Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
The reason for this declaration is His pride from all his business dealings, even with Israel.
Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
God really wants to bag this human.
Eze 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit,
God declares this human truly as wicked
So are the words against the "nagiyd" of Tsor.
Now GOD begins another lamentation against the "malak" of Tsor
"Malak" the messenger of Tyre. Who could this be?
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God
Well the "nagiyd" of Tsor wasn't in the Garden of the Eden, but the "malak" of Tsor was, and this refers to heavenly messengers, such as cherubims.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:
This "malak" of Tsor was once an "anointed cherub", but the nagiyd" of Tsor was never anointed.
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A heavenly cherub was ""malak" of Tsor was"" that GOD initially established in heaven.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created
A heavenly cherub was ""malak" of Tsor was" originally perfect.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
So this "messenger of Tyre" who was once a anointed cherub, is now a sinning cherub, and the only messenger cherub function this cherub does for the "nagiyd" of Tsor is to help Him Sin more.
God will bring Him down as well.
Notice Dave, I do not need to look for the similes in the poem, the word "malak" tells you its not a "human king ruler" of Tyre, but the "messengers of Tyre" a different being.
Like the "malak" of YHWH is not the same as the Father in heaven, the messenger is His being taking his messages.
You are not reading the text carefully and applying it the the messenger of Tyre.
One major benefit from this as well, is every time malak is used, it may refer to cherubims, as the prophet wrote, just as a messenger is not the King himself, but his messenger, so the cherub is different creature to the human king, and does his messaging for the king, actually helps the king to sin.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2022 5:53:30 GMT -5
You are not reading the text carefully and applying it the the messenger of Tyre.You mean I am NOT reading Roman doctrine into the text - CorrectIF your satan doctrine is valid – why don’t you have any other argument that two standalone words from Ezk 28 Precept upon precept, line upon line
Just how many times does repeating one verse over and over and over and over make it mean what you need it to say?Dave says " YEP – The King of Tyre is the Guardian Protector of his people (cherub – a metaphor) Rob yes Dave, but this is referring to the base text that King Tyre is a human functioning as a guardian human over things. I get that. So what the parallel poem metaphor about? this is referring to the base text that King Tyre is a human functioning as a guardian human over things.Large wing span to cover all his kingdom with protection – a metaphorNo one ever considered Hebrew satan as a bad guy – until the New Testament Gospel The New Testament is speaking about the BEASTEzk 28 has nothing to do with the BEAST – the story is about man / a man
The Beast was never perfect in its way The Beast was never cherished by God The Beast was never God's friend The Beast is not forgotten - you have an entire doctrine built upon him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 14:51:07 GMT -5
D"No one ever considered Hebrew satan as a bad guy – until the New Testament Gospel R" Well the ancient Chinese did, one thousand years before a Jew was even born? But you refuse to acknowledge this evidence.
You cannot change a person's world view with evidence. So what is the point of witnessing than with evidence?
I also showed you Rabbi Apple's writings, a very important Jew now lives in Israel.
Help me with some links to Messianic Jewish articles and writings? Are there any out there in one place? Perhaps their writings might help both of us?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2022 18:55:32 GMT -5
I also support the Ancient Chinese writings of the devil, which exists a thousand years before a Jew was born. And these people have the concept correct? Agreed – no one denies the Beast of Revelation – a biological – the serpent race – that we call devils and satanas
There are few Messianic Jews who write articles of faith, so I cannot compare these very easily? Perhaps you can help? Just as with any group – there are more than one typeFor the highest level of Jewish thought – I endorseHidabroot - Torah & Judaism Hidabroot is a television network and the biggest site for Judaism in the World. It functions from Israel and has over 400 employees that work on behalf of the Jewish nation in about 40 different divisions. youtu.be/_4oFrz8A9DwDon't Forget, We're Just Passing Through - The Sukkah's Message - Rabbi Yitzchak Botton 2:44 min Rabbi Trugman Rabbi Singer – although he is on a mission to deny Christ As for Messianic Judaism Michael Rod is all I have – but he is NOT perfect – sales pitch – wants your money – has a history od possible finance fraud n America youtu.be/AIBLCqt80dYThe Chronological Gospels with author Michael Rood Lion of Judah is good BUT - Jews for Jesus - are roman Christians trying to return their roots AS for Christian content – hands down Chuck Missler Koinonia House AND OF COURSE - L.A. MARZULI As for secular content David Ike is well researched Graham Handcock is Amazing What do Messianic Jews say of Ezekiel 28?What do Catholics say What do Baptist say ANSWER – I only care what precept upon precept, line upon line scripture says
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