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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2022 22:34:19 GMT -5
D"Day 1 was not anything close to 24hrsR" Ge 1:5 ...And the evening and the morning were the first day. Where is not 24 hours in this, evening the earth turns away from the light (6pm our time), until morning the earth turns into the light (6 am our time), is called a yom (24 hrs, our time).6pm to 6am = 12hrs – not 24hrsOf course day one has no beginning, before that we get zero. What's the problem? God is not a God of time, time does not exist with God. God does not need time. There was eternity before the time for earth existed, yes. Confused – do you agree with yourself or not?Either way – Day 1 was NOT 24hrs----------- D" I suggest you read a Jewish Physicist named Gerald Schroeder R" I did, Gerald is twisting to fit evolutionary ideas into Scripture, OR – Gerald Schroeder is in total agreement with all science everywhere and all scripture everywhere – you just refuse to accept it – because you have a replacement science called creationismlike his local flood,Why must you misrepresent others – you are pathological – you can’t help yourselfDid Schroeder support the local flood idea or list it as an alternative idea Why is it wrong for a scientist to list and discuss all the data humoids before ADAM, sex with humanoids to make shedim? he has a whole gamit of weird ideas, including million of years old fossils. Gen 1 humanoids comes before Gen 2:7 Human beings
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 12:22:46 GMT -5
D"6pm to 6am = 12hrs – not 24hrs R" Hmm?
Le 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Time is counted even to even, Sunset to Sunset. That makes 24 hours afterall.
D"NO BEGINNING FOR DAY 1 R" I see, Dave actually explains something new to me...well done my friend.
And the evening and the morning were the first day. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. POINT – Day 7 has no ending
R" Wrong my friend, consider the way time is counted.
Even to even. Every even is 12 hours, even morning 12 hours.
Day one has an even, and another even, so Day 1 is a yom of 24 hours, night not named until Sunday morning. Technically Sabbath night, after the second week of time begins, but not so with the first week of time. Even has no name. Day two has an even, and another even, so Day 2 is a yom of 24 hours, Sunday night until Monday morning.
Day three has an even, and another even, so Day 3 is a yom of 24 hours, Monday night until Tuesday morning.
Day four has an even, and another even, so Day 4 is a yom of 24 hours, Tuesday night until Wednesday morning.
Day five has an even, and another even, so Day 5 is a yom of 24 hours, Wednesday night until Thursday morning.
Day six has an even, and another even, so Day 6 is a yom of 24 hours, Thursday night until Friday morning.
Day seven has an evening only, so Day 7 is a yom of 24 hours, Friday night until Saturday morning. The Saabbath evening is not mentioned, as this makes Creation 8 days rather than seven as the Lord wanted. It is the evening first 12 hours that is not named by the cycle of days of counting.
D"Either way – Day 1 was NOT 24hrs R" yes it is.
D"Gen 1 humanoids comes before Gen 2:7 Human beings R" You are as bad as Gerald, you make up stuff. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 22, 2022 15:06:20 GMT -5
D"NO BEGINNING FOR DAY 1 R" I see, Dave actually explains something new to me...well done my friend. Why do you think Schroeder’s math calculated man at day 5.5Answer – because Schroeder did not include Day 1 – his math begins at the beginning of Day 2Your paper - recommended from your web-site - you did read and understand it - didn't you Or did you just pick out a few sentences you think validate your church doctrine?D"Either way – Day 1 was NOT 24hrs R" yes it is. You make scripture say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrineD"Gen 1 humanoids comes before Gen 2:7 Human beings R" You are as bad as Gerald, you make up stuff. Please prove to me that Gen 1Gen 1:25 God made the wild animals according to their species, the livestock according to their species, and everything that crawls on the ground, each according to its species. And God saw that it was good. Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness! Let them rule over the fish of the sea, over the flying creatures of the sky, over the livestock, over the whole earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the land.” Gen 1:27 God created humankind in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.” Did not happen before Gen 2:7Not only do you read into scripture to make it say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrineYou also have to deny the mountain of empirical evidenceAt the time of Adam and Eve – Noah = there could have been as many as 6-8 different types of humanoids on planet earth The foundation for every - Hobbit - Troll - Troglodyte – Ogre – cave man – Denesovian - homo erectus – etc – etc – etc – all have a place in scripture AND - don;t forget the Nephilim
Bury you head in the sand –deny the evidence – find someone trustworthy and credible to defend your doctrine – like Don Patton – or Ken Hamm ------------ Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. Psa 19:3 Day to day they speak, night to night they reveal knowledge. Psa 19:4 There is no speech, no words, where their voice goes unheard. Psa 19:5 Their voice has gone out to all the earth and their words to the end of the world. In the heavens He pitched a tent for the sun. Psa 19:6 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his bridal chamber. It is like a strong man rejoicing to run his course. Psa 19:7 It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other end. Nothing is hidden from its heat. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse— Why can’t the evidence of Intelligent Design validate The Creator of the Bible
Or – Why won’t you let the evidence validate the God of the Bible?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 1:31:01 GMT -5
D"You make scripture say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrine R" Well did my post prove correct or not, not a single discussion from Dave? I post it again
" Day one has an even, and another even, so Day 1 is a yom of 24 hours, night not named until Sunday morning. Technically Sabbath night, after the second week of time begins, but not so with the first week of time. Even has no name.
Day two has an even, and another even, so Day 2 is a yom of 24 hours, Sunday night until Monday morning.
Day three has an even, and another even, so Day 3 is a yom of 24 hours, Monday night until Tuesday morning.
Day four has an even, and another even, so Day 4 is a yom of 24 hours, Tuesday night until Wednesday morning.
Day five has an even, and another even, so Day 5 is a yom of 24 hours, Wednesday night until Thursday morning.
Day six has an even, and another even, so Day 6 is a yom of 24 hours, Thursday night until Friday morning.
Day seven has an evening only, so Day 7 is a yom of 24 hours, Friday night until Saturday morning. The Saabbath evening is not mentioned, as this makes Creation 8 days rather than seven as the Lord wanted.
It is the evening first 12 hours that is not named by the cycle of days of counting."
How about commenting? It fits as all local time on earth fits, from the first evening of 12 hours, but not named.
So your Sabbath having no ending is busted too !!!
Brevity Dave again, he never likes to discuss his theories.
D" Please prove to me that Gen 1 Did not happen before Gen 2:7 R" Right Dave, are you saying Gen 1 happened in time, and than later in time Gen 2 happened later in time.
So Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness! refers to other "as many as 6-8 different types of humanoids on planet earth" ? And Gen 2 refers "Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man" to the creation of Adam, as a later time? Is this your theory?
Has it ever occurred to you that Hebrew writes in block logic, as Jeff Benner says, Gen 1 is a block view of the entire creation, and Gen 2 is a repeat of the same Creation with extra details concerning Man. And Gen 3 is extra details concerning the fall of Man via the opposing elohiym power. These other humanoids you speak of Ellen White suggests some, not all, are the result of GMO by humans playing science with God. Others can be explained as humans lacking proper diet, and other problems like that. The term Ellen White used in "amalgamation" which for years nobody in the Church had no clue what it meant until the GMO came about in today's science. It's going to get worse in time, we will see GMO humans soon.
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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2022 5:03:24 GMT -5
D"You make scripture say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrine R" Well did my post prove correct or not, not a single discussion from Dave? I post it again " Day one has an even, and another even, Scripture please – show me the evening and morning that took place to begin Day 1 Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
Day seven has an evening only, so Day 7 is a yom of 24 hours You contradict scripture Heb 4:1-11 – Day 7 remains The promised rest for the righteous is NOT CLOSED or OVER long ago Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
D" Please prove to me that Gen 1 Did not happen before Gen 2:7 R" Right Dave, are you saying Gen 1 happened in time, and than later in time Gen 2 happened later in time. Why do you deny the world evidence? Deny away – if it doesn’t fit your version of scripture – the facts must be denied Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
Has it ever occurred to you that Hebrew writes in block logic, as Jeff Benner says, Gen 1 is a block view of the entire creation, and Gen 2 is a repeat of the same Creation with extra details concerning Man. And Gen 3 is extra details concerning the fall of Man via the opposing elohiym power.
So Gen 3 – the FALL OF MAN - happened on Day 6 Gen 1:31 So God saw everything that He made, and behold it was very good Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
These other humanoids you speak of Ellen White suggests some, not all, are the result of GMO by humans playing science with God. Others can be explained as humans lacking proper diet, and other problems like that. The term Ellen White used in "amalgamation" which for years nobody in the Church had no clue what it meant until the GMO came about in today's science. It's going to get worse in time, we will see GMO humans soon.
Amalgamation - the action, process, or result of combining or uniting. Gen 6 – is the amalgamation of two differ species – you only have one
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 17:09:12 GMT -5
D" Scripture please – show me the evening and morning that took place to begin Day 1 R" Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
R" can't you read Scripture right here, even and morning.
Day 1 started with night (12 hrs dark) than morning (12 hours of light) D" You contradict scripture Heb 4:1-11 – Day 7 remains The promised rest for the righteous is NOT CLOSED or OVER long ago Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine? R" You are misquoting Scripture, discuss my discussion, instead you post nothing.
D Deny away – if it doesn’t fit your version of scripture – the facts must be denied R" Where is your discussion?
D" So Gen 3 – the FALL OF MAN - happened on Day 6 R" The fall of man happened 33 years later roughly,,, many many Sabbaths later....
D" Amalgamation - the action, process, or result of combining or uniting. Gen 6 – is the amalgamation of two differ species – you only have one R" Maybe ELLEN White had another view, after all how else could she write of GMO? Way back before GMO was invented by modern science, that makes her words prophetic?
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Post by Dave on Jun 26, 2022 5:00:56 GMT -5
D" Scripture please – show me the evening and morning that took place to begin Day 1 R" Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. R" can't you read Scripture right here, even and morning. Age of the Universe - Gerald Schroeder At the end of each day of the six creation days, the day is numbered. Yet Nahmanides points out that there is discontinuity in the way the days are numbered. At the end of the first day, the verse says: “There is evening and morning, Day One.” But the second day doesn’t say “evening and morning, Day Two.” Rather, it says “evening and morning, a second day.” And the Bible continues with this pattern: “Evening and morning, a third day… a fourth day… a fifth day… the sixth day.” Only on the first day does the text use a different form: not “first day,” but “Day One” (“Yom Echad”). Many English translations make the mistake of writing “a first day.” That’s because editors want things to be nice and consistent. But they throw out the cosmic message in the text! That message, as Nahmanides points out, is that there is a qualitative difference between “one” and “first.” One is absolute; first is comparative. The Bible, he tell us, could not write “a first day” on the first day because there had not yet been a second day relative to it.D" You contradict scripture Heb 4:1-11 – Day 7 remains The promised rest for the righteous is NOT CLOSED or OVER long ago Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine? Gen 1 humanoids before Gen 2 Human Being Why do you deny the world evidence? D Deny away – if it doesn’t fit your version of scripture – the facts must be denied R" Where is your discussion?Answer = Why do you deny the world evidence?Not only do you read into scripture to make it say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrineYou also have to deny the mountain of empirical evidenceAt the time of Adam and Eve – Noah = there could have been as many as 6-8 different types of humanoids on planet earth The foundation for every - Hobbit - Troll - Troglodyte – Ogre – cave man – Denesovian - homo erectus – etc – etc – etc – all have a place in scripture AND - don;t forget the Nephilim
Bury you head in the sand –deny the evidence – find someone trustworthy and credible to defend your doctrine – like Don Patton – or Ken Hamm D" So Gen 3 – the FALL OF MAN - happened on Day 6 R" The fall of man happened 33 years later roughly,,, many many Sabbaths later.... I have asked you before for scripture of your 33 years – Ellen White is NOT scriptureD" Amalgamation - the action, process, or result of combining or uniting. Gen 6 – is the amalgamation of two differ species – you only have one R" Maybe ELLEN White had another view, after all how else could she write of GMO? Way back before GMO was invented by modern science, that makes her words prophetic? GMO requires 2 species to mix together – all you have is Adam
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Post by Dillon on Jun 26, 2022 10:43:13 GMT -5
ag.purdue.edu/gmos/what-are-gmos.htmlGMOs are living beings that have had their genetic code changed in some way. While conventional breeding, which has been going on for centuries, involves mixing all of the genes from two different sources, producing a GMO is much more targeted. Rather than crossing two plants out in the field, they insert a gene or two into individual cells in a lab. www.britannica.com/science/genetically-modified-organismGenetically modified organisms (GMOs) are produced using scientific methods that include recombinant DNA technology and reproductive cloning. In reproductive cloning, a nucleus is extracted from a cell of the individual to be cloned and is inserted into the enucleated cytoplasm of a host egg (an enucleated egg is an egg cell that has had its own nucleus removed). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organismCreating a genetically modified organism is a multi-step process. Genetic engineers must isolate the gene they wish to insert into the host organism and combine it with other genetic elements, GMOs are the mixing of the DNA from more than one species The Nephilim are the mixing of the DNA from more than one species If there is only Adam as Robert says, where does the other genetic material come from?
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Post by Dave on Jun 26, 2022 12:18:35 GMT -5
GMOs are the mixing of the DNA from more than one species If there is only Adam as Robert says, where does the other genetic material come from? I could NOT agree more – it takes two to tangle Robert claims the bene elohiym were just other men – man + man = man – it is not a GMO – it is a phenotype To be considered a GMO – outside DNA/genetic material is added mechanically Robert says the archon are a myth – there is only man
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 16:56:19 GMT -5
Rob never says the archon are a myth, only that the archons are sinning angels, who have become an opposing elohiym power.
As for the GMO genes from making weird humanoids, the pre flood humans would have used monkey genes, or changed human DNA or did both.
What does gain of function research mean to you both?
Obviously today we are experimenting as the pre flood people experimented
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Post by Dave on Jun 26, 2022 18:53:36 GMT -5
Rob never says the archon are a myth, only that the archons are sinning angels, who have become an opposing elohiym power. The archon were never good-guy angels They were created as archon R" SO explain who is the opposer opposing the Father than? No one can oppose God – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preachIsa 14:24 Adonai Tzva’ot has sworn, saying: “Surely, as I thought it, so it will be. As I have purposed, so it will stand. Isa 14:25 I will break Assyria in My land. On My mountains I will trample him. Then his yoke will be taken off them, his burden removed from their shoulder. Isa 14:26 This is the purpose planned for the whole earth, and this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations.” Isa 14:27 For Adonai-Tzva’ot has purposed, so who will annul it? Since His hand is stretched out, who will turn it back? Isa 43:13 From eternity, I am He. None can deliver from My hand. I act, and who can reverse it?” Jer 4:27 For thus says Adonai, “The whole land will be wasteland, yet I will not totally destroy it. Jer 4:28 Therefore, the earth will mourn and the heavens above grow black. For I have spoken, I have purposed, nor will I relent, nor turn from it. Job 23:13 He is unchangeable, and who can change Him? Whatever His soul desires, He does. No one can oppose God – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preach No one can change God Plan No one can act against God’s Will
No created creature ever changed its form and function against God’s Will then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preachAs for the GMO genes from making weird humanoids, the pre flood humans would have used monkey genes, or changed human DNA or did both. So the bane elohiym of Gen 6 were monkeys?Obviously today we are experimenting as the pre flood people experimented
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 16:23:00 GMT -5
D"The archon were never good-guy angels They were created as archon
R: Your writings "I quote" said the chief archon sinned, became arrogant and created others offspring like himself.
How can a creature sin unless it has free will to sin?
Your passage is nearly the same as the Ez 28 your reject.
Angels have free will and can choose to sin or worship God.
You ignore this idea.
Nobody can oppose the Father you say? Well creatures who do sinning can?
Question when creature sinned how was it allowed to continue sinning, in your Gnsotic writing world? Can you answer that? You don't support Scripture, you twist Scripture to fit Gnostic views, so I ask you to answer this from Gnostic writings only.
It seems to me Gnosticism allows for this creative archon to do and create whatever he likes?
How is this possible? I thought only the Father creates?
Surely the Father cannot tolerate sinning in His presence?
But your Gnostic writings says the Father lives in RA naturally all the time??
In that case sinning cannot oppose the Father, so why does the Father expect us to follow laws based on Tov, when its not necessary? After all your Father doesn't follow these laws Himself anyway?
Can you answer these questions?
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Post by Dave on Jun 27, 2022 17:35:03 GMT -5
D"The archon were never good-guy angels - They were created as archon You disagree Why do you deny the New Testament Gospel?
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
Angels have free will and can choose to sin or worship God. Not a Jewish teaching – Not a Judeo-Christian teaching -------------
It seems to me Gnosticism allows for this creative archon to do and create whatever he likes? The archon cannot create – why is your only defense is to misrepresent my words – and/or scripture They are created beings that procreate – and yes – they ar allowed to explore (yester ra) to its fullest extent – they are like baboons in your clean house – soon there is a mess and shit everywhere
But your Gnostic writings says the Father lives in RA naturally all the time?? Why is your only defense is to misrepresent my words – and/or scripture Can you answer that question?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 15:07:06 GMT -5
D"Not a Jewish teaching – Not a Judeo-Christian teaching R" Gnostic says ""and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety"
Explain to me why sinning is not evidence of free will?
D" The archon cannot create R" Oh so the Gnostic translation is wrong is it?
I quote the Gnostic writings "And he contemplated creating offspring for himself,"
Are you twisting proceative abilities here?
Question how can a creature sex itself to procreate? Explain , is this another bad translation of the Gnostic than?
Can I see the original word used and perhaps what it means? Now we take Gnostic writings to a level not intended for the common person? Unlike Hebrew, I can read every word myself.
D" They are created beings that procreate R" I thought only one was created by the HS? now you say "they"
D" Why is your only defense is to misrepresent my words – and/or scripture R" Actually I am trying to understand the logic of GNosticism.
You didn't answer my questions? Can't you?
Explain to me why sinning is not evidence of free will?
The creature decided to become arrogant, and sin didn't it?
That is a free will decision in my understanding, but not yours?
Why is that?
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Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2022 17:01:21 GMT -5
D"Not a Jewish teaching – Not a Judeo-Christian teaching R" Gnostic says ""and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety" Explain to me why sinning is not evidence of free will?The BEAST is a BEAST – the only driving force within him – (yester ra)Just like every other BEAST of the field Just like Monkeys making a mess and shitting all over your life Why do you teach that all the animals are sinning by being alive – reproducing – or having children?D" The archon cannot create R" Oh so the Gnostic translation is wrong is it? I quote the Gnostic writings "And he contemplated creating offspring for himself," Why is your only argument vocabulary – just argue words – just play a word game with scripturePrecept upon precept, line upon line – to take one word out of context and an make a whole religion around it is the work of deceptionwww.cambridge.org/core/journals/church-history/article/abs/four-major-cultsThe Four Major Cults: Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, Seventh-day Adventism. By Anthony A. Hoekema. Grand Rapids: Eerdman's 7963.;Published online by Cambridge University Press: 28 July 2009 (google) Handling venomous snakes is a homecoming tradition at the Church of the Lord Jesus dwellcc.org/learning/essays/christian-cults-and-sectsMormonism: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." Christian Science: "The Bible has been my only authority. I have had no other guide in "the straight and narrow way" of Truth. In following these leadings of scientific revelation, the Bible was my only textbook." Jehovah's Witnesses: "The Holy Scripture of the Bible are the standard by which to judge all religions." The Way: "There is no room for interpretation or discussion. "We must come to The Word, let The Word speak, and then adjust our thinking according to the integrity and accuracy of The Word. After we have let The Word speak, we must accordingly harmonize our beliefs, our actions, and our living." The Unification Church: "Until our mission with the Christian church is over, we must quote the Bible and use it to explain the Divine Principle. After we receive the inheritance of the Christian church we will be free to teach without the Bible." Robert and the SDA The idea of One God is error – there are 3 gods that work together There is NO spirit There is no life after death Satan is an angel that has become more powerful than GodPrecept upon precept, line upon line – to take one word out of context and an make a whole religion around it is the work of deception Just to repeat Ezk 28 like a parrot begging for a cracker – does not prove your doctrineQuestion how can a creature sex itself to procreate? Explain , is this another bad translation of the Gnostic than?(1)- Of all you have learned about the quality of the words in scripture – and the textual variations + the number of copies to compare against + quality of translation = Precept upon precept, line upon line – to take one word out of context and an make a whole religion around it is the work of deception (2)- if you need to play a word game – take this (google) Asexual reproduction is a type of reproduction that does not involve the fusion of gametes or change in the number of chromosomes. The offspring that arise by asexual reproduction from either unicellular or multicellular organisms inherit the full set of genes of their single parent. (google) What are the 5 types of asexual reproduction? There are a number of types of asexual reproduction including fission, fragmentation, budding, vegetative reproduction, spore formation and agamogenesis. (google) What are the 3 main types of asexual reproduction? Binary fission: Single parent cell doubles its DNA, then divides into two cells. ... Budding: Small growth on surface of parent breaks off, resulting in the formation of two individuals. ... Fragmentation: Organisms break into two or more fragments that develop into a new individual. D" They are created beings that procreate R" I thought only one was created by the HS? now you say "they"Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels (messengers / offspring / satan’s seed – the serpent race) were thrown down with him.
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