Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2022 21:15:44 GMT -5
All you did was quote Gerald Schroeder, can't you write your own words?
D"I am simply repeating – quoting correctly – Gerald Schroeder
R" Yes you are, that is not a discussion from Dave.
Now that I have read the paper, are you willing to write your own words?
You have references this paper on your web-site for a longtime – about time you read it
You claim he supports your 6 24hr days – he does not
D"Day 1 is not measured the same as Days 2-7
R" His paper does not discuss this? Care to write how you get these ideas?
“At the end of each day of the six creation days, the day is numbered. Yet Nahmanides points out that there is discontinuity in the way the days are numbered. At the end of the first day, the verse says: “There is evening and morning, Day One.” But the second day doesn’t say “evening and morning, Day Two.” Rather, it says “evening and morning, a second day.” And the Bible continues with this pattern: “Evening and morning, a third day… a fourth day… a fifth day… the sixth day.” Only on the first day does the text use a different form: not “first day,” but “Day One” (“Yom Echad”). Many English translations make the mistake of writing “a first day.” That’s because editors want things to be nice and consistent. But they throw out the cosmic message in the text! That message, as Nahmanides points out, is that there is a qualitative difference between “one” and “first.” One is absolute; first is comparative. The Bible, he tell us, could not write “a first day” on the first day because there had not yet been a second day relative to it.”
Day 2- 6 are not of equal duration
R" His paper does not discuss this? Care to write how you get these ideas?
“The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. Each time the universe doubles in size, the perception of time halves as we project that time back toward the beginning of the universe. The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, even though the actual expansion rate is approximately constant, it takes longer and longer for the overall size to double. Because of this, the earliest of the six days have most of the 15 billion years sequestered with them.”
Genesis and the Big Bang: The Discovery Of Harmony Between Modern Science And The Bible by Gerald Schreoder"
Simply stated,…. To the literalist, these first six days can be a problem.
Agreed – Robert + ICR + Don Patton must deny the facts – misrepresent the facts – and disagree
Fossils place the appearance of beings with humanlike features …
Neanderthal fossils …
Although dating the time of Peking man’s existence has the same types of problems as those encountered when dating the remains of Neanderthal man, …
Radiometric time dating is error (memory Peking man dates much older than anyone else?)
Homo erectus, …
Looking at this fossil, it is clear that, except for the shortened forehead, these early hominids had features so similar to modern humans that they could go unnoticed if they walked on a busy city street.
In agreement with Intelligent Design
In agreement with the fossil record
Genesis and the world made in 6 days. Really?? No one can logically believe that – that is until you understand the science that underlies the passage of time and its perception (there is that word again) in our magnificent expanding universe."
Two clocks – God’s perspective – and the human perspective
Both Schroeder and I say – God view is looking forward in time – the human view is looking backwards in time
Psa 90:4 – 2 pet 3:8 – from one view a day = a thousand years – from the other view a thousand years look like one day
Each Day in God’s view contained all the ages of each time period
6 days in Gods perspective = 13.5 Billion years according to Schroeder
6 days in God’s perspective = SOMETHING DIFFERENT – NON-LINEAR – radiometric time dating does not measure age – it measures volume - Dave
FYI – science no longer speaks of space as a distance – it is time
They call it space-time – you cannot separate the two
What is space – it is the distance between two objects – Pont A and Point B
How do you measure the distance – the time it takes to travel from point A to point B
If you travel in a straight line – the time is the shortest
But if you travel in a curve – both time and distance become dilated – yet points A and B never move
Schroeder – the universe is expanding
Data from Day one takes longer to reach Day 2 – because it is expanding away from day one
but realizes that in this world, random reactions are simply not up to accomplishing that task. Random reactions alone simply do not and can not produce stable order. That is the lesson of the laws of thermodynamics.
That is the lesson of the laws of thermodynamics. = randomness does not create order – rather order falls into chaos = entropy
There is much I do not understand about Jewish thinking, that is sure. Gerald is interesting to say the least.
If you understood Judaism as Jew does – you would see just how very Christian it is
Judaism is not the enemy – it is the foundation of the one and only theology = the Gospel
If you read more and understood why science actually claims – you would realize that Don Patton has not been truthful with you and given you the wrong impression
Biblical Creationism had done as much harm to the faith as Darwin ever did
Darwin-ism was too extreme – in denying God’s hand in it all
Creationism – is still an ”ism” and is too extreme – pushing a religious agenda
Intelligent Designs simply marvels at the evidence
Questions - According to Genesis, the first life was created when?
Answer – Day ONE
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Including the Beast - that old serpent - we call devils and satanas - Gen 1:2
D"I am simply repeating – quoting correctly – Gerald Schroeder
R" Yes you are, that is not a discussion from Dave.
Now that I have read the paper, are you willing to write your own words?
You have references this paper on your web-site for a longtime – about time you read it
You claim he supports your 6 24hr days – he does not
D"Day 1 is not measured the same as Days 2-7
R" His paper does not discuss this? Care to write how you get these ideas?
“At the end of each day of the six creation days, the day is numbered. Yet Nahmanides points out that there is discontinuity in the way the days are numbered. At the end of the first day, the verse says: “There is evening and morning, Day One.” But the second day doesn’t say “evening and morning, Day Two.” Rather, it says “evening and morning, a second day.” And the Bible continues with this pattern: “Evening and morning, a third day… a fourth day… a fifth day… the sixth day.” Only on the first day does the text use a different form: not “first day,” but “Day One” (“Yom Echad”). Many English translations make the mistake of writing “a first day.” That’s because editors want things to be nice and consistent. But they throw out the cosmic message in the text! That message, as Nahmanides points out, is that there is a qualitative difference between “one” and “first.” One is absolute; first is comparative. The Bible, he tell us, could not write “a first day” on the first day because there had not yet been a second day relative to it.”
Day 2- 6 are not of equal duration
R" His paper does not discuss this? Care to write how you get these ideas?
“The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. Each time the universe doubles in size, the perception of time halves as we project that time back toward the beginning of the universe. The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, even though the actual expansion rate is approximately constant, it takes longer and longer for the overall size to double. Because of this, the earliest of the six days have most of the 15 billion years sequestered with them.”
Genesis and the Big Bang: The Discovery Of Harmony Between Modern Science And The Bible by Gerald Schreoder"
Simply stated,…. To the literalist, these first six days can be a problem.
Agreed – Robert + ICR + Don Patton must deny the facts – misrepresent the facts – and disagree
Fossils place the appearance of beings with humanlike features …
Neanderthal fossils …
Although dating the time of Peking man’s existence has the same types of problems as those encountered when dating the remains of Neanderthal man, …
Radiometric time dating is error (memory Peking man dates much older than anyone else?)
Homo erectus, …
Looking at this fossil, it is clear that, except for the shortened forehead, these early hominids had features so similar to modern humans that they could go unnoticed if they walked on a busy city street.
In agreement with Intelligent Design
In agreement with the fossil record
Genesis and the world made in 6 days. Really?? No one can logically believe that – that is until you understand the science that underlies the passage of time and its perception (there is that word again) in our magnificent expanding universe."
Two clocks – God’s perspective – and the human perspective
Both Schroeder and I say – God view is looking forward in time – the human view is looking backwards in time
Psa 90:4 – 2 pet 3:8 – from one view a day = a thousand years – from the other view a thousand years look like one day
Each Day in God’s view contained all the ages of each time period
6 days in Gods perspective = 13.5 Billion years according to Schroeder
6 days in God’s perspective = SOMETHING DIFFERENT – NON-LINEAR – radiometric time dating does not measure age – it measures volume - Dave
FYI – science no longer speaks of space as a distance – it is time
They call it space-time – you cannot separate the two
What is space – it is the distance between two objects – Pont A and Point B
How do you measure the distance – the time it takes to travel from point A to point B
If you travel in a straight line – the time is the shortest
But if you travel in a curve – both time and distance become dilated – yet points A and B never move
Schroeder – the universe is expanding
Data from Day one takes longer to reach Day 2 – because it is expanding away from day one
but realizes that in this world, random reactions are simply not up to accomplishing that task. Random reactions alone simply do not and can not produce stable order. That is the lesson of the laws of thermodynamics.
That is the lesson of the laws of thermodynamics. = randomness does not create order – rather order falls into chaos = entropy
There is much I do not understand about Jewish thinking, that is sure. Gerald is interesting to say the least.
If you understood Judaism as Jew does – you would see just how very Christian it is
Judaism is not the enemy – it is the foundation of the one and only theology = the Gospel
If you read more and understood why science actually claims – you would realize that Don Patton has not been truthful with you and given you the wrong impression
Biblical Creationism had done as much harm to the faith as Darwin ever did
Darwin-ism was too extreme – in denying God’s hand in it all
Creationism – is still an ”ism” and is too extreme – pushing a religious agenda
Intelligent Designs simply marvels at the evidence
Questions - According to Genesis, the first life was created when?
Answer – Day ONE
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Including the Beast - that old serpent - we call devils and satanas - Gen 1:2