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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 16:47:44 GMT -5
My Son found this video and I just love it, though I will have to think through the discussion for a real world. www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tRFayqVtkIts a computer programming simulation of a two dimensional world, with living things simulated. One thing I noticed evolution is not possible, But than I noticed that maybe the mutation mistakes may be useful in God's design, and thus improve our chances of surviving the changes necessary?? Like I said, one has to do some thinking about this? What is you discussion on this? SHalom
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2022 2:40:47 GMT -5
My thinking is this, what essentially is a mutation in the program, a random change to the letter as Hex code, which would cause a logical or syntax error, or a change in the number weights of the neural network firing. Whatever it is, I cannot see mutations having any affect unless its intentionally wired into the programming somehow, and than by definition, it’s not evolution. What he has created is a pre determined set of inputs and outputs and neural operators that solved problems (simple ones) but I confess it looked great and preformed well.
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Post by Dave on Jun 3, 2022 23:14:27 GMT -5
I started your video yesterday – but didn’t watch it Today – I sat in the car waiting for my girls – so I watched it on my phone
You are so gullible – I thought you supported creationism now you are buying into a video supporting evolution A man that doesn’t stand for the truth – will fall for anything
I stopped watching at 33:55 – Evolution converts randomness into order and complexity
(1) this is a false statement Evolution converts the order of simplicity into complex diversity
(2) his example is a false correlation His premise is built upon survivability rates over time – NOT the continued change into new and different lifeforms that adapt to survive where they are
Here is a valley – deer, elk, fox, bear, rabbit, mice, bugs, and in the stream frogs, and fish Dam the river (change the survival conditions) – create a lake – and all is left are the frogs and fish all is left are the frogs and fish – NOT FRISH – NOT FOGS – just fish and frogs
Each experiment begins with diversity and a large population – and ends with a uniformity of population Evolution begins with ONE and diversifies KINDS begins with TWO and diversifies
What does his experiment indicate? The introduction of (yester ra) – a desire to reproduce – a desire to survive INCREASES the survival rate
Duh – DUH – and double DUH
Gen 1:20 Then God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures! Let flying creatures fly above the land across the expanse of the sky.” Gen 1:21 Then God created the large sea creatures and every living creature that crawls, with which the water swarms, according to their species, as well as every winged flying creature, according to their species. And God saw that it was good. Gen 1:22 Then God blessed them by saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the water in the seas. Let the flying creatures multiply on the land.”
(yester ra) = self-preservation and survival of the species – it is the commandment given to all creatures
Robert – I though you supported young earth creationism? If 70 years = a generation – then we are only generation 70 Every one of his examples ran for how many generations? 1200, 8300, and 9000 -----------------
Every one of his examples ran for how many generations? 1200, 8300, and 9000 This fact alone denies evolution – it is called “Waiting Time” If you wait long enough – a change will happen
In the example of humanoids – the standard measure – 1 mutation in every 250 million years But man was changed from ape to man in only 6 million years The fallacy of “Waiting Time”
Change driven by mutation requires – “Waiting Time” and many generations But – many of the so-called ‘related species’ – changed form in only one or two generations
TRUTH – I hate the terminology – “MICRO-EVOLUTION” but there is support for it Micro-evolution = Darwin’s Finches – His evidence for natural selection Disproven in 1974 – as simple variation within a species (within the phenotype)
TRUTH – human examples – MANDINGOS Black slaves bread to be better slaves – on breeding plantations in Louisiana and Mississippi Did they create a new species – NO They created the football, basketball, and heavy weight boxers of our time
“MICRO-EVOLUTION” = dog breeding – you makes breeds of phenotype – not new species of genotype “MICRO-EVOLUTION” = horse breeding = breeds of phenotype
TRUTH – the fossil record does not validate Darwin
TRUTH – the fossil record suggests Species simply appeared fully formed – without a pre-curser form These species appeared in EXPLOSIONS – boom – there they all are
TRUTH – the fossil record validates Genesis as to order of creation Day 1 – Day 2 – Day 3 - Day 4 – Day 5 – Day 6 and man
INCREMENTAL CREATION – God did it one by one – one at a time – and life exploded upon the earth – in INCREMENTS – evolutionist call these EVENTS – God just calls them Days of Creation -----------------
Gunter Bechly Explains What The Fossil Evidence Really Says Shorter video – and a whole lot more I do not have to think on his words – I support this man 100%
POINTS – The “Waiting Time Fallacy” The fossil record – indicates INTELLIGENT DESIGN Many scientist recognize INTELLIGENT DESIGN – it is obvious to all who really look at the evidence
Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. Psa 19:3 Day to day they speak, night to night they reveal knowledge.
Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—
But church – THEY DON’T WANT TO GO THERE Because Robert will force them to believe thing has lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3
Many scientist recognize INTELLIGENT DESIGN – and the pressure by the WORLD to keep them silent -------------------
What does his experiment indicate? The introduction of (yester ra) – a desire to reproduce – a desire to survive INCREASES the survival rate Duh – DUH – and double DUH (yester ra) = self-preservation and survival of the species – it is the commandment given to all creatures
Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness! Let them rule over the fish of the sea, over the flying creatures of the sky, over the livestock, over the whole earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the land.” Gen 1:27 God created humankind in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.”
(yester ra) = self-preservation and survival of the species – it is the commandment given to all creatures AND – to man over all the creatures AND – to man over the land
Robert makes the claim – this is evil God said it was tov – who should I believe?
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Post by Dave on Jun 3, 2022 23:32:43 GMT -5
R" OH, so God creates a universe with RA intentionally in it for man. OK so we can develop free will. SO does this mean ALL aspects of RA for ALL aspects of Creation? hot and cold = physical creation in balancelight and dark = physical creation in balancedeath and life = physical creation in balancedecomposers and free living bacteria = physical creation in balancePhysical creation in balance = Rom 1:19-20 + Psa 19:2Physical creation in balance = Intelligent DesignWhat about love and hate = (yester tov)+(yester ra)lying and truth = (yester a)+(yester tov)lusting and purity = (yester ra)+(yester tov)Were these traits also created by God, inside man's yester RA (yester ra) brain?You refuse to acknowledge the commandment of (yester ra)Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.” Be fruitful and multiply – lust – desire to reproduce – fill the land and conquer it. - desire to achieve and grow – conquer – be the alpha Rule over the animals – alpha – top of food chain
All of it Jewish (yester ra) – please explain to me why you teach this as evil from satan
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Post by Dillon on Jun 4, 2022 10:29:17 GMT -5
Many scientist recognize INTELLIGENT DESIGN – it is obvious to all who really look at the evidence But church – THEY DON’T WANT TO GO THERE Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3
Many scientist recognize INTELLIGENT DESIGN – and the pressure by the WORLD to keep them silent ----------
What you are saying is interesting. Science does not have an agenda, only a hypothesis. Evidence against that hypothesis is just as important and welcome, and forces a change in the hypothesis. Evidence against an agenda is damning and never welcomed.
Therefore the harm caused by religion is simple arrogance. The churches’ position should have been, “All we have is scripture, we don’t know the details for sure, but the truth will come out.” Then the church could have rallied behind each new discovery.
But church – THEY DON’T WANT TO GO THERE Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3 Academia is kept away by funding and recognition. The educational system has been “right” for so long that change is hard. I am sure the evil forces of our world do not want science and church to merge in respect. People do not want to change, because a validation of church might mean they need to go
You are right, none of these people are lining up in support for Biblical Creationism. Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3 Why wouldn’t Biblical Creationism be consistent with Intelligent Design?
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Post by Dave on Jun 5, 2022 6:44:32 GMT -5
Question - Why wouldn’t Biblical Creationism be consistent with Intelligent Design? Answer - Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3
Thank you D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 15:28:44 GMT -5
Greetings,
How is it you misquote me all the time.
I can't stand evolution, and as a theory it does not work. I watched the video as a programming exercise.
Neither of you understanding programming it seems?
The programmer is faking that evolution is possible.... he set up huge populations, he sets up neural networks, so they by randomness find a solution. This is not evolution at all....but faking it to watchers. Where did the programming come from? A designer....so it's not evolution is it? not even close.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2022 20:43:23 GMT -5
My Son found this video and I just love it, though I will have to think through the discussion for a real world. One thing I noticed evolution is not possible, But than I noticed that maybe the mutation mistakes may be useful in God's design, and thus improve our chances of surviving the changes necessary?? Like I said, one has to do some thinking about this? What is you discussion on this? You asked my for my discussion – and you got itI made a rebuttal with another video What is you discussion on this?Answer = NONEYou are right, none of these people are lining up in support for Biblical Creationism. Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3 Why wouldn’t Biblical Creationism be consistent with Intelligent Design? Answer D’s question Why do you reject Psa 19:2 + Rom 1:19 and the evidence for an Intelligent Designer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 4:22:16 GMT -5
D"I made a rebuttal with another video What is you discussion on this?
Answer = NONE
Ok I will watch your video
Fossil does not support Darwinism.
Fossil does not show gradual changes.
Fossil record contadicts Darwins theory
4:16 No evidence gradual change from one species to another
20:15 people denial the fossil records
maybe faster mutation rates, recent studies go against this
28:03 total lack of missing links, too many big jumps between species
33 fossil record shows intelligent design'
also agree with everything he says....
As for DIllon, I do not like evolution, so I do not deny Ps 19 or Rom 1
"Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3"
Not sure what this means?
I only showed you the video to look at how programming simulations fake and deceive watchers
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 7, 2022 5:23:57 GMT -5
As for DIllon, I do not like evolution, so I do not deny Ps 19 or Rom 1 "Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3" Not sure what this means?
The fossil record shows intelligent design' also agree with everything he says.... ---------------
You do not know what you believe You cannot believe both at the same time The fossil record supports INCREMENTAL CREATION You dissagree with Incremental Creation - your quote to me about my own presentation = 'It doesn't say much'
Don Patton – Biblical Creationism DENY the fossil record Millions of species lived and died before Gen 3 NOT 24hr Days – as we measure time today You disagree with both
"Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3" Not sure what this means? Now you cannot even remember your own teaching here? Do you mean what you say - or do you just talk
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 15:24:17 GMT -5
D"Millions of species lived and died before Gen 3 NOT 24hr Days – as we measure time today You disagree with both
R" You don't like writing much do you?
If ADAM LIVED 930 years, how old would an ordinary animal live? After Adam sinned, animals died, but not before. There would have been very few animals dying in Adam's day, some yes, but not enough to make decomposers job a nightmare.
Scripture tells us that God created the Creation for Earth in 6 literal 24 hour time periods, rotations of the earth, so we can assume these are similar to our local based time, and would not have been millions of years as you claim.
Barry Setterfield a scientist of 1980 reckons light was faster in the past than today, so time might be relative, but it is still a earth based rotation, ie a yom. He thinks in terms of time the earth might have undergone a much older look in a single day. Theories.
We simply do not know such things. Robert Gantry says the granite rocks were created in milliseconds, so again there is the possibility God can achieve anything He wants.
To make a fossil you require rapid burial so the decomposers and other scavengers do not eat the material first. The only global rapid burial event I know is the Noachian Flood.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 7, 2022 19:32:05 GMT -5
D"Millions of species lived and died before Gen 3 NOT 24hr Days – as we measure time today You disagree with both R" You don't like writing much do you? Scripture tells us that God created the Creation for Earth in 6 literal 24 hour time periods, I’m done – if you post this crap – I WILL DENLETE ITWe have been all over this and you misrepresent your own Jewish Time expert on your own web-sitefossil record shows intelligent design' also agree with everything he says.... You disagree with everything Gunter Bechly said or stands for You lie too easily – I’m done – if you post this crap – I WILL DENLETE ITWhy do you deny Heb 4:1-11 and the promise of rest I have asked to 68 times - you refuse to answerInstead you just keep repeating error - and missrepresenting others to make your pointYou think it funny to post crap – yet refuse to answer questionsYou are right, none of these people are lining up in support for Biblical Creationism. Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3 Why wouldn’t Biblical Creationism be consistent with Intelligent Design?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 5:11:29 GMT -5
D"Why do you deny Heb 4:1-11 and the promise of rest I have asked to 68 times - you refuse to answer
R" What is this about?
Heb 4:1 ¶ Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
The Jews kept the Sabbath rest, but were not saved because of keeping the day holy. The day can only be kept holy if you claim the rest by faith. You cannot enter into a Sabbath rest if you have no faith (because of unbelief:)
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Therefore there is a Sabbath holiday to those people of God who seek Jesus, the Creator of Sabbath via faith in His Name.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Jesus also finished redemption and rest the next day on Sabbath.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
We now have a temple in heaven with a human high priest there, doing what the Jews practiced all the time on earth.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
And this high priest is kind to us, having experienced our fall like we have experienced, but made no sin-offering for his own sins, because he made no sins.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2022 6:04:26 GMT -5
D"Why do you deny Heb 4:1-11 and the promise of rest I have asked to 68 times - you refuse to answer R" What is this about? 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Therefore there is a Sabbath holiday to those people of God who seek Jesus, the Creator of Sabbath via faith in His Name. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.Why do you deny this scripture – Your 24hr days Mandate God's 7th Day was over 5782 years agoYou post Gerald Schroder to your web-site You do not have the reading comprehension or the education to even grasp what he said. You post his paper so you can take single sentences out of context and misquote him Who taught you this level of academic honesty and truthfulness? Ellen White – the SDA – or Don Patton and Walter Veith BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CHRISTIAN TEACHING fossil record shows intelligent design' also agree with everything he says.... You disagree with everything Gunter Bechly said or stands for You lie too easily 'Christian'
You think it funny to post crap – yet refuse to answer questions
You are right, none of these people are lining up in support for Biblical Creationism. Because Robert will force them to believe things had no lunch, rotted, or died until Gen 3 Why wouldn’t Biblical Creationism be consistent with Intelligent Design?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 15:52:51 GMT -5
If you want to discuss something, write you discussion clearly I have done nothing to hurt you, and if I have I am sorry for that, not my intention.
General sweeping remarks mean little to me as I have no idea what you are actually discussing if anything?
D"God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
DO you have a website that explains your view clearly because I can't find it, and unlike my website which explains things clearly, but you refuse to read it, I would gladly read yours, as it would take away the brevity Dave I get all the time.
Where is your witness?
Are you saying God abolished the immutable royal torah? That we no longer need to guard the Sabbath?
Shalom
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